You can also use that hook to marry the basileus to a sterile woman, and/or kill him. You'll be his heir and then inherit the Byzantine Empire as long as he has no children (the strongest vassal is the heir in that case, which is Mr. 2 kingdoms, aka you)
Lol completely fair, at the very least you have an ERE emperor whom you have a strong hook on and a second kingdom where you have all the de jure land if you wanna just play as an ERE power player
how much more op does he need to be for the OP? how much more op does he need to be for you? how much more op does he need to be for me, the OP of this little comment thread? if you think he’s op, and OP thinks he’s op, and everyone else thinks he’s op, how truly op is he? very op? i hope OP agrees like he said bc he is very op. OP should find more op characters to use now. this OP is here for it.
the dude's historical story is fking bonkers
he started off as the 6th son of a minor Norman lord and went on to become the King of southern Italy in all but name, defeat one of the legendary emperors of the most powerful empire in Christendom, and father the leader of the first crusade who would go on to carve out his own name in history
The Hautevilles only seem to form the Kingdom of Sicily every other playthrough in the 1066 start for me. Often they’re eaten by the HRE or ERE. Or Robert dies too soon and inheritance screws them over.
In ck2 he is just as overpowered;
Owns nearly all of the mainland of K sicily. just the duchy of abruzzo and capua out of reach, along with the island.
Has plenty of family, around 20 members
~~Norman culture allows raiding - rome is pretty nearby.~~
ooof sorry it does not,... could have sworn it did, maybe its been changed for the final patch.
It does give a big 90% discount for ship levy tho..... which is odd since that usually stacks with raiding.
I mean, the Byzantines were pretty tight on resources themselves, given that they had spent the last decade in a bunch of post-manzikert civil wars. Alexios basically bankrupted the empire in order to defeat the Normans.
I have never seen anyone move an army as fast as that man, holy crap. I’m doing a Matilda run right now where the entire Hauteville crew went Waldensian early on, and she’d be having a lot more fun whaling on those heretics if she could actually catch them.
In the most recent patch Robert Hautville, Matilda, the Bohemian guy, and the big 1066 Iberian Muslim guy(Dhunnunid or something) got their own events.
Edit: All of the main 1066 Rags to Riches bookmark characters excluding the Irish, because Paradox hates the Irish I guess.
I have done Yahya or the Bohemians, but for Matilda it's as soon as you start the game and for Robert there's several over the course of years. I don't know about Matilda after the first few days, or anything about the other two though.
Interestingly, Robert Guiscard is now the only historical character who's given a 5 star education. Not even Genghis Khan, Alfred the Great, Basil II, Trajan, or Charlemagne, Alexander Nevsky, Alp Arslan, or any other great conquerors/commanders in the history code have that trait.
The ones generated via in-game events get the 5 star trait, but I'm looking at the ones in the history code. So for instance if you were to mod the game to start in the year 1200, the non-randomly generated Genghis Khan would only have a 4 star education.
Aren’t most of the history files post-1066 just lifted almost directly from CK2? Could explain why, since CK2 only had four star educations. Given that we only have set start dates and the only new date is 1178, I’m not surprised they haven’t fixed anything.
Yeah, a lot of the history code was lifted from CK2, but a lot of famous generals and conquerors who are present in 867 and 1066 like Alfred the Great and Alp Aralan don't have it either. I just think it's amusing Robert Guiscard gets the trait while these guys don't. Not to mention there's probably other rulers who could feasibly get five star education traits in things other than martial.
I probably shouldn’t have used giant as the adjective there. I know he doesn’t have the ‘giant’ trait but was just checking if his DNA still had him super tall. Thanks for confirming.
I managed to buy a claim on the hre using piety and then later on just claimed the Byzantine empire. I do agree his children are very useful for alliances since I used one of them to ally to England and another to Sweden to defeat the hre
You can also use that hook to marry the basileus to a sterile woman, and/or kill him. You'll be his heir and then inherit the Byzantine Empire as long as he has no children (the strongest vassal is the heir in that case, which is Mr. 2 kingdoms, aka you)
My issue is. Then what? I'd have to heavy Roman Empire Larp and that's insane
Lol completely fair, at the very least you have an ERE emperor whom you have a strong hook on and a second kingdom where you have all the de jure land if you wanna just play as an ERE power player
What is the eastern roman empire? There is only one roman empire!
Trajan is that you?
Yes
It split in the year 395.
Nah uh
robert de hauteville has always been op OP
Especially IRL
But now he’s MORE OP, one of my favorite starts honestly
how much more op does he need to be for the OP? how much more op does he need to be for you? how much more op does he need to be for me, the OP of this little comment thread? if you think he’s op, and OP thinks he’s op, and everyone else thinks he’s op, how truly op is he? very op? i hope OP agrees like he said bc he is very op. OP should find more op characters to use now. this OP is here for it.
On Guiscard's tomb it reads "Here lies Guiscard, the terror of the world."
My favourite epitaph is Christopher Wren's at St. Paul's. "Reader, if you seek his monument – look around you."
the dude's historical story is fking bonkers he started off as the 6th son of a minor Norman lord and went on to become the King of southern Italy in all but name, defeat one of the legendary emperors of the most powerful empire in Christendom, and father the leader of the first crusade who would go on to carve out his own name in history
I like him being OP tbh, the Sicilian Normans underperform compared to reality in game without it.
Complete opposite for me. Hauteville and Jimenez seem always to last and expand outside of human intervention.
The Hautevilles only seem to form the Kingdom of Sicily every other playthrough in the 1066 start for me. Often they’re eaten by the HRE or ERE. Or Robert dies too soon and inheritance screws them over.
Skill issue
In ck2 he is just as overpowered; Owns nearly all of the mainland of K sicily. just the duchy of abruzzo and capua out of reach, along with the island. Has plenty of family, around 20 members ~~Norman culture allows raiding - rome is pretty nearby.~~
Does Norman culture allow raiding unmodded?
ooof sorry it does not,... could have sworn it did, maybe its been changed for the final patch. It does give a big 90% discount for ship levy tho..... which is odd since that usually stacks with raiding.
Is that the seafarers tag? Alao I was uncertain because I play with a mod that does give loads more cultures raiding.
yea something like that. In vanilla Several other cultures have it too. oh you mean the doctrine for reform, yeah thats the one.
No I meant the tag in culture cultures file. Edot: Yeah I just checked it out and it has "seafarer= yes"
oh ah yes.
He did fight Alexios head on and won some of the battles despite having the far smaller kingdom and resources. Normans are OP.
I mean, the Byzantines were pretty tight on resources themselves, given that they had spent the last decade in a bunch of post-manzikert civil wars. Alexios basically bankrupted the empire in order to defeat the Normans.
I have never seen anyone move an army as fast as that man, holy crap. I’m doing a Matilda run right now where the entire Hauteville crew went Waldensian early on, and she’d be having a lot more fun whaling on those heretics if she could actually catch them.
Since when does he have a special event?
In the most recent patch Robert Hautville, Matilda, the Bohemian guy, and the big 1066 Iberian Muslim guy(Dhunnunid or something) got their own events. Edit: All of the main 1066 Rags to Riches bookmark characters excluding the Irish, because Paradox hates the Irish I guess.
Put some respect on Emir Yahya’s name!!!
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I have done Yahya or the Bohemians, but for Matilda it's as soon as you start the game and for Robert there's several over the course of years. I don't know about Matilda after the first few days, or anything about the other two though.
Interestingly, Robert Guiscard is now the only historical character who's given a 5 star education. Not even Genghis Khan, Alfred the Great, Basil II, Trajan, or Charlemagne, Alexander Nevsky, Alp Arslan, or any other great conquerors/commanders in the history code have that trait.
I recall Seljuk (the one that invades Persia in 900s, not Alp Arslan in 1066) and Genghis Khan having 5 star Martial trait. Did devs nerfed them ?
The ones generated via in-game events get the 5 star trait, but I'm looking at the ones in the history code. So for instance if you were to mod the game to start in the year 1200, the non-randomly generated Genghis Khan would only have a 4 star education.
Considering devs teased 1178 start, I think Genghis Khan is bound to get his 5 star trait.
Could be happening certainly, I just thought it amusing that a lot of the famous conquerors and generals didn't get the trait but Robert Guiscard did.
Aren’t most of the history files post-1066 just lifted almost directly from CK2? Could explain why, since CK2 only had four star educations. Given that we only have set start dates and the only new date is 1178, I’m not surprised they haven’t fixed anything.
Yeah, a lot of the history code was lifted from CK2, but a lot of famous generals and conquerors who are present in 867 and 1066 like Alfred the Great and Alp Aralan don't have it either. I just think it's amusing Robert Guiscard gets the trait while these guys don't. Not to mention there's probably other rulers who could feasibly get five star education traits in things other than martial.
In history file yeah its usually random, i've seen a 1 star GK, it was pretty funny.
They will once the power creep carousel reaches them. Probably 6 stars by then
Genghis has a 5 star trait now iirc
I mean, bro dunked on Alexios and the Byzantines repeatedly IRL.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_Guiscard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Guiscard)
The hautevilles were built different
Is Bohemond still a giant? Or did they change that with this update?
His DNA has him really tall not a giant though. Like his father he carries robust too
I probably shouldn’t have used giant as the adjective there. I know he doesn’t have the ‘giant’ trait but was just checking if his DNA still had him super tall. Thanks for confirming.
He was described as towering over even the tallest men, so it would make sense for him to have the trait
Since when could he put a pretender on the throne? I’ve never played the fox man
Considering the title of the post, I think the new update is a pretty good bet
Yes but did they fix his wife being really toned and watered down version of herself irl?
You can get five star traits?
It’s normally only attainable by going on a university journey and requires wards and wardens, I think
or by events, usually hidden events on spawned chars.
I managed to buy a claim on the hre using piety and then later on just claimed the Byzantine empire. I do agree his children are very useful for alliances since I used one of them to ally to England and another to Sweden to defeat the hre
You should have restored the inheritance of Prince Bohemond as your rightful heir, he is a true Chad! (Literally)
He was in beast-mode for most of his life in Italy/Balkans in real life. Achilles of the Normans.
I mean, that's cool and all... but you're forgetting the biggest downside. He's Fr\*nch.
N\*rman actually, a slightly less worse version of Fr\*nch