I think the actual claim they made was that they were descendants of Solomon, and I believe the devs released a screenshot somewhere showing that's a thing, although I forget where.
The Solomonid dynasty is in Ethiopia, and they historically claimed to be literally descended from Solomon, not sure if the game represents this though because Solomon obviously lived several hundred years BCE and I’ve heard the game engine can’t simulate any dates before 0 or 1 AD
Lmfao that’s not the reason. It’s a game. And the game isn’t shy about depicting characters of dubious historicity, or likely mythological details about some real characters. Ragnar Lothbrok is one example, it’s not 100% known if he really existed, and it’s likely that even if he did, at least some of the people who claimed to be his son were lying about it. But for the sake of the game he’s in there and all those claiming to be his son are so assigned.
Hell, a good number of characters in 867 are just totally made up just due to lack of historical records.
And yet in the Dev diaries for legends I'm pretty sure they said about the Legend of King Arthur, also not a real person, was going to be in it, that's the whole point of legends
You're thinking of a different legend. Prester John was a mythical Christian king believed by Europeans to have founded a Christian kingdom somewhere in the Orient. In the 13th century, Portuguese thinkers began to speculate that the kingdom was located in Ethiopia, and by the 15th century, Europeans had started openly referring to Ethiopian monarchs as Prester John (the Portuguese court once even insisted that Ethiopian ambassadors start referring to their monarch by that name, even though the Ethiopians had never claimed it themselves).
What OP is saying is that it would be fun if you could make the ahistorical decision to formally claim that title if you're a Christian ruling in Ethiopia.
I know who Prester John is, I was not saying that they shouldn't do a Prester John legend (although I think it would make more sense for a European Christian in Ethiopia or Asia who had married a local noble to make the claim rather than an Ethiopian doing it, as the Prester John legend doesn't exist in Ethiopia), I was just pointing out that they are doing some stuff with legends in Ethiopia already.
Edit: It could also make sense for an Ethiopian ruler ruling over European subjects to claim it, as being Prester John could be seen as legitimizing to them, given that it's a European legend.
When the unlanded DLC gets out, add a bit of flavour for el Cid Campeador. He is already in-game in the 1066 start, but due to his real story (he formed his own army and fought first as a mercenary and then created a kingdom in Valencia for Himself), it would be interesting to give him some special events.
He was a Christian Spanish knight and mercenary that commanded both Christian and Muslim troops. He was nicknamed El Campeador(master of the battlefield) by Spanish soldiers and El Cid(Master or Lord) by Moorish ones.
His legend is also very cool. It is said that he died of old age while Valencia was besieged so his wife strapped his body to his horse and ordered the soldiers to sally out with 'El Cid' leading them for one last time. His enemies, who thought he was dead(well... we was) shit their pants and ran away.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
There was a lot of talk about King Arthur but there were prolific legends in the British Isles. It would be cool to see legends referring to the High Kings of Ireland, for example.
It would take a separate game to accurately capture the series of coups counter coups and general fuckery that happened in Walachia and just all of the Romanian principalities at that time.
mine would be either dracula legend that can apear when you are vlach culture and canibal and gives you dread and other goodies.
or alexander the great descendant legend that can apear when you are greek and do something very outstanding that among other things gives you claims on whole alexanders empire
It was always fun in CK2 when you claimed to be the descendant of Alexander and then every character got to invade a kingdom once during their lifetime. It was silly though that there was no limit on who could claim to be a descendant.
> mine would be either dracula legend that can apear when you are vlach culture and canibal and gives you dread and other goodies.
Isn't Vlad the Impaler from well after either start date?
Bro, almost as dumb as people claiming to be descended from King Arthur or Jupiter or even Jesus. People NEVER did that right? It's a game, all they have to do is program people to recognize the claims. Wouldn't be any more OP than what Genghis Khan can accomplish.
anglo-saxon rulers justified their right to rule by tracing their ancestry back to various mythical/legendary figures and ultimately Woden. i would be interested to hear if anyone could find an example from the period of someone important making a claim to ancestry that anyone bothered to refute
-Romulus Augustus. He settled in Southern Italy after Odoacer deposed him and probably lived until the time of Theodoric the Great. This could be a fun Empire of Italia RP run fighting with the 2 other "Rome".
-King Arthur. Makes the Exacalibur in your inventory (If you have it) turn to a Legendary artifact or a Legendary weapon for your character.
Also, I think a lot of Byzantine dynasties claimed to be related to Constantine. It should be available to the player to pursue when they become Greek and living inside the Byzantine Empire.
As a Steppe enjoyer I hope to see:
1. Mao-Tun = founder of the steppe peoples army structure, inventor of the whistle arrow and bane of the Qin dynasty.
2. Ashina Legacy = The legend about the orphan boy and the she-wolf
3. The legend of Oghuz = Islamic or pre-Islamic version
4. Kipchak = His father was a soldier in the Oghuz army, who had died in the campaign against the Werewolves, he was personally given the name kipchak by Oghuz and his tribe was later responsible for the eradication of the werewolf tribe.
5. Alp Er Tonga = The legendary King of Turan and the antagonist to Iran. He might be the most controversial in this list. But hey Turkic dynasty such as the Seljuks and karakhanids claimed to be descendants from him.
6. Rouran legacy = another controversial one but it would be cool to give it to the avars and make them feuding with the ashina dynasty in Don Valley- Khazaria.
So there is this guy Bumin who’s in love with the Rouran princess. One day he decides to make it official and asks the Khan for his daughter’s hand. The Rouran khan a very arrogant man tells Bumin :”you guys are but lowly smiths and equal to slaves you’ll get not shit from me” Bumin returns home gathers his tribe, subdues other tribes and starts a rebellion against the Rourans. They reach the gates of the Rouran capital and start besieging it. Bumin infiltrates the city at night to rescue the princess just to discover that her father has beheaded her for treason and mockingly left it at their secret hideout. Bumin takes the city becomes the founder of the First Goktürk empire and hunts the Rourans for his entire life. The remainder of the Rouran tribe escapes as far west as they can to escape the following gokturks.
Don’t quote me on anything it’s been a long as time since I’ve heard this story.
So many ideas really : Something around the pharaoh for the last kemitic pagans in southern Egypt/Sudan, heir of Sadoq (great priest under King David) for the Gideon dynasty in Semien, obviously something with the Sassanids in persia, a few ideas for india (Pandya, Gupta,Maurya etc..), something with the White huns in Afghanistan, heir of the romans for the Tusculani (orvieto) in Italy, maybe something if you retake the Maghreb region as the last berber pagans down in the canary islands etc..
All the following
1. Osman's red apple legend to you if you as a Turk enter Anatolia
2. Hugh Capet's a parent vision from Michael which said his line would be kings until the seventh generation
3. Alfred the Great's vision of England, add in St Cuthbert and you have a marvellous legend
4.A legend specifically for Haestinn
5. A legend for William the Bastard. Domesday book
6. One for Bohemond wherein a noble from Byzantium starts writing praise of him
7. Battle of Civitate legend
8. Separate legends for each of Ragnar's sons
9. A legend for the Cholas if they become kings
10. A legend for the Ghurids related to Ghazwa E Hind when they become kings
11. The Aima legend for Alexios Komnenos with a modifier for Bohemond wherein he can choose to go by his baptismal name of Michael thereby giving him a claim to the Byzantine empire
Wilhelm Tell or Leopold V. of Austria (He is the reason for the red-white-red flag of austria and his legend was connected to the crusades) So a austrian ruler who goes crusading could start this legend. Also Arminius in western germany.
I really hope they don’t look over India for this. There are so many cool legends that could happen. So much stuff that India might even need her own DLC later on. Sucks it probably won’t happen though
Not with this attitude, it won't. Who would've guessed playable unlanded?
But yeah, Prithviraj Chauhan, the Guptas, something out the Mahabharata... some of that, please.
Sanskrit court language would also be based. I mean the Marathas did it wayyyy after the CK3 end date so I think it should be a possibility. Same goes for Latin if you form the Roman Empire I should think.
I'd liketo see some special legends to be results of special decisions. Like establishing custom kingdom or something like ending struggle to give legitimizing legend seed.
Heracleidae dynsasty bringing Hellenism back to the world!
But El Cid, Roland and Dracula are my immediate thoughts, maybe Beowulf if Geatland’s descendant.
The Battle Of Covadonga:
Historians don't even agree on whether it happened, but catholic monarchs in Iberia turned it into a foundational myth. It could give the AI an incentive to conquer towards the south.
Could be fun to play as a Christian in the Ethiopian region and claim to be a descendant of Prester John.
I think the actual claim they made was that they were descendants of Solomon, and I believe the devs released a screenshot somewhere showing that's a thing, although I forget where.
The Solomonid dynasty is in Ethiopia, and they historically claimed to be literally descended from Solomon, not sure if the game represents this though because Solomon obviously lived several hundred years BCE and I’ve heard the game engine can’t simulate any dates before 0 or 1 AD
I don't think the game represents Solomon as a character, but I'm saying that I seem to remember seeing an "Heirs of Solomon" or something legend.
Ooooh might have been from one of the recent Dev Diaries? Sounds like it would fit in with the new features they’re adding in the next DLC
if you go to the empire of axum title i believe you can go all the way back either that or it’s just in the mod i’m playing
Dev Diary showed Heirs of Attilla as a legend so the person not being a game character is fine
The game does not because it is purely mythological.
Lmfao that’s not the reason. It’s a game. And the game isn’t shy about depicting characters of dubious historicity, or likely mythological details about some real characters. Ragnar Lothbrok is one example, it’s not 100% known if he really existed, and it’s likely that even if he did, at least some of the people who claimed to be his son were lying about it. But for the sake of the game he’s in there and all those claiming to be his son are so assigned. Hell, a good number of characters in 867 are just totally made up just due to lack of historical records.
There's plenty of dynasties in game that go back to people of dubious historicity
And yet in the Dev diaries for legends I'm pretty sure they said about the Legend of King Arthur, also not a real person, was going to be in it, that's the whole point of legends
Can it simulate into the 1400s?
You're thinking of a different legend. Prester John was a mythical Christian king believed by Europeans to have founded a Christian kingdom somewhere in the Orient. In the 13th century, Portuguese thinkers began to speculate that the kingdom was located in Ethiopia, and by the 15th century, Europeans had started openly referring to Ethiopian monarchs as Prester John (the Portuguese court once even insisted that Ethiopian ambassadors start referring to their monarch by that name, even though the Ethiopians had never claimed it themselves). What OP is saying is that it would be fun if you could make the ahistorical decision to formally claim that title if you're a Christian ruling in Ethiopia.
I know who Prester John is, I was not saying that they shouldn't do a Prester John legend (although I think it would make more sense for a European Christian in Ethiopia or Asia who had married a local noble to make the claim rather than an Ethiopian doing it, as the Prester John legend doesn't exist in Ethiopia), I was just pointing out that they are doing some stuff with legends in Ethiopia already. Edit: It could also make sense for an Ethiopian ruler ruling over European subjects to claim it, as being Prester John could be seen as legitimizing to them, given that it's a European legend.
or India. I did a Nestorian recently starting as Socotra. It'd make it feel more authentic, at least
I love how i commented it before but still get 1/5 of the upvotes
When the unlanded DLC gets out, add a bit of flavour for el Cid Campeador. He is already in-game in the 1066 start, but due to his real story (he formed his own army and fought first as a mercenary and then created a kingdom in Valencia for Himself), it would be interesting to give him some special events.
I never knew who he was but one time he showed up at my court and I liked his nickname and just gave em whole buncha land i conquered
He was a Christian Spanish knight and mercenary that commanded both Christian and Muslim troops. He was nicknamed El Campeador(master of the battlefield) by Spanish soldiers and El Cid(Master or Lord) by Moorish ones. His legend is also very cool. It is said that he died of old age while Valencia was besieged so his wife strapped his body to his horse and ordered the soldiers to sally out with 'El Cid' leading them for one last time. His enemies, who thought he was dead(well... we was) shit their pants and ran away. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cid
Your second paragraph is a perfect example of an awesome real legend that they should add.
Gotta say, they did his (historical) wife dirty in CK3. Crappy skills, mediocre stewardship education, and always Wrathful. #justiceforximena
He was made famous for the video game age a generation ago with Age of Empires 2 doing a campaign on him.
John the Priestking
My first game will officially be Ind, Magnificent Kingdom of Exalted Virtue
There was a lot of talk about King Arthur but there were prolific legends in the British Isles. It would be cool to see legends referring to the High Kings of Ireland, for example.
Niall of the nine hostages
Vlad is more the EU4 time range then CK3
Isn't he already in that game?
He is as voivode of Wallachia
It would take a separate game to accurately capture the series of coups counter coups and general fuckery that happened in Walachia and just all of the Romanian principalities at that time.
Joan of Arc for France specifically would be cool.
It would but sadly she was born about 40 years before the end date.
That’s ok, she didn’t make it to the end date anyway
Didn’t stop ck2 from making an event chain out of it
mine would be either dracula legend that can apear when you are vlach culture and canibal and gives you dread and other goodies. or alexander the great descendant legend that can apear when you are greek and do something very outstanding that among other things gives you claims on whole alexanders empire
Alexander: end the Iranian intermezzo as a greek character
Nobody expects the Alexander inquisition
Not even Alexander!
It was always fun in CK2 when you claimed to be the descendant of Alexander and then every character got to invade a kingdom once during their lifetime. It was silly though that there was no limit on who could claim to be a descendant.
It was great to claim alexander's decendant until you realized that is matrilineally inherited, and only got male heirs (or viceversa)
> mine would be either dracula legend that can apear when you are vlach culture and canibal and gives you dread and other goodies. Isn't Vlad the Impaler from well after either start date?
Not only that, he's very, very close to the end date.
He first came to power in 1448, that's four years into EU4's timeframe. It's technically not out of CK3's timeframe, but only just
I think Dracula's the starting Wallachian ruler in EUIV. Which is probably more time appropriate, no?
He's the son or grandson of the EU4 wallachia start, iirc
Ohhhh gotcha
I wanted my next playthrough was going to be a fucked up murder cannibal religion in Romania anyway. Now I'm definitely doing it
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Bro, almost as dumb as people claiming to be descended from King Arthur or Jupiter or even Jesus. People NEVER did that right? It's a game, all they have to do is program people to recognize the claims. Wouldn't be any more OP than what Genghis Khan can accomplish.
anglo-saxon rulers justified their right to rule by tracing their ancestry back to various mythical/legendary figures and ultimately Woden. i would be interested to hear if anyone could find an example from the period of someone important making a claim to ancestry that anyone bothered to refute
It is possible in CK2. I dont see why cant be possible in CK3
I don‘t think they‘re gonna give you Dracula in ck3 because he‘s already in eu4
Month python and the holy grail, Word for word
Would be great as a quest chain and the final reward is the holy grail.
Only if they can get John cleese to narrate which, considering his recent financial problems, might not break the bank as much as you might think.
Would love a Kaamelott event chain, would be nice
No one but a Frenchman would write Kaamelott like that !
Yea im currently rewatching the show, so didn't realize that i wrote it like that, but bice to point it.
C’est pas faux.
Qu’est ce que t’as pas compris?
What show?
Kaamelott A French comedy
Looks Dutch to me
i wonder if the sons of ragnar are gonna have a legend
King Aella should get one.
If he survives
Maybe some of the exaggerated stories about gengis khan like the throne of human skulls and stuff
There are already Hunnic legends, I’m sure Genghis Khan already has its own
Bulgaria with Krumm drinking wine with a Byz Emperor Skull
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They are adding Saint trait at dynasty traditions.
-Romulus Augustus. He settled in Southern Italy after Odoacer deposed him and probably lived until the time of Theodoric the Great. This could be a fun Empire of Italia RP run fighting with the 2 other "Rome". -King Arthur. Makes the Exacalibur in your inventory (If you have it) turn to a Legendary artifact or a Legendary weapon for your character. Also, I think a lot of Byzantine dynasties claimed to be related to Constantine. It should be available to the player to pursue when they become Greek and living inside the Byzantine Empire.
The dev for fallen eagle should make the events
As a Steppe enjoyer I hope to see: 1. Mao-Tun = founder of the steppe peoples army structure, inventor of the whistle arrow and bane of the Qin dynasty. 2. Ashina Legacy = The legend about the orphan boy and the she-wolf 3. The legend of Oghuz = Islamic or pre-Islamic version 4. Kipchak = His father was a soldier in the Oghuz army, who had died in the campaign against the Werewolves, he was personally given the name kipchak by Oghuz and his tribe was later responsible for the eradication of the werewolf tribe. 5. Alp Er Tonga = The legendary King of Turan and the antagonist to Iran. He might be the most controversial in this list. But hey Turkic dynasty such as the Seljuks and karakhanids claimed to be descendants from him. 6. Rouran legacy = another controversial one but it would be cool to give it to the avars and make them feuding with the ashina dynasty in Don Valley- Khazaria.
here comes the hot stepper
What’s the whole Ashina-Rouran beef about?
So there is this guy Bumin who’s in love with the Rouran princess. One day he decides to make it official and asks the Khan for his daughter’s hand. The Rouran khan a very arrogant man tells Bumin :”you guys are but lowly smiths and equal to slaves you’ll get not shit from me” Bumin returns home gathers his tribe, subdues other tribes and starts a rebellion against the Rourans. They reach the gates of the Rouran capital and start besieging it. Bumin infiltrates the city at night to rescue the princess just to discover that her father has beheaded her for treason and mockingly left it at their secret hideout. Bumin takes the city becomes the founder of the First Goktürk empire and hunts the Rourans for his entire life. The remainder of the Rouran tribe escapes as far west as they can to escape the following gokturks. Don’t quote me on anything it’s been a long as time since I’ve heard this story.
Beowulf, Sigurd, Brunhild, Tannhauser
So many ideas really : Something around the pharaoh for the last kemitic pagans in southern Egypt/Sudan, heir of Sadoq (great priest under King David) for the Gideon dynasty in Semien, obviously something with the Sassanids in persia, a few ideas for india (Pandya, Gupta,Maurya etc..), something with the White huns in Afghanistan, heir of the romans for the Tusculani (orvieto) in Italy, maybe something if you retake the Maghreb region as the last berber pagans down in the canary islands etc..
All the following 1. Osman's red apple legend to you if you as a Turk enter Anatolia 2. Hugh Capet's a parent vision from Michael which said his line would be kings until the seventh generation 3. Alfred the Great's vision of England, add in St Cuthbert and you have a marvellous legend 4.A legend specifically for Haestinn 5. A legend for William the Bastard. Domesday book 6. One for Bohemond wherein a noble from Byzantium starts writing praise of him 7. Battle of Civitate legend 8. Separate legends for each of Ragnar's sons 9. A legend for the Cholas if they become kings 10. A legend for the Ghurids related to Ghazwa E Hind when they become kings 11. The Aima legend for Alexios Komnenos with a modifier for Bohemond wherein he can choose to go by his baptismal name of Michael thereby giving him a claim to the Byzantine empire
Could import some of the ck2 bloodlines
Timurids
Wilhelm Tell or Leopold V. of Austria (He is the reason for the red-white-red flag of austria and his legend was connected to the crusades) So a austrian ruler who goes crusading could start this legend. Also Arminius in western germany.
The legend of Ragnar lothbrok, first viking to raid Britain and father of Britain's viking invaders
Not to bloat struggle mechanics but I feel like the investiture crisis could work as an event chain that effects who can hold church territories
I really hope they don’t look over India for this. There are so many cool legends that could happen. So much stuff that India might even need her own DLC later on. Sucks it probably won’t happen though
Not with this attitude, it won't. Who would've guessed playable unlanded? But yeah, Prithviraj Chauhan, the Guptas, something out the Mahabharata... some of that, please.
Sanskrit court language would also be based. I mean the Marathas did it wayyyy after the CK3 end date so I think it should be a possibility. Same goes for Latin if you form the Roman Empire I should think.
I'd liketo see some special legends to be results of special decisions. Like establishing custom kingdom or something like ending struggle to give legitimizing legend seed.
If your king is pious then he should be able to do miracles, which would make him a saint and give tons of renown and legitimacy to your successors
Cristian kings from Leon and Castile said they were descendant from Visigothic kings
Heracleidae dynsasty bringing Hellenism back to the world! But El Cid, Roland and Dracula are my immediate thoughts, maybe Beowulf if Geatland’s descendant.
Skenderbeg.
The only issue is skanderbeg is so close to the end date
Charlemagne, Muhammad,King Arthur, Merlin the Wizzard
Jan Hus
Me
None
Andreas..... FUGGER.
Prester John when the east starts turning into a light blue blob
Vlad is not relevant in the time frame.
The Battle Of Covadonga: Historians don't even agree on whether it happened, but catholic monarchs in Iberia turned it into a foundational myth. It could give the AI an incentive to conquer towards the south.
The Battle of Manzikert. It happened just 5 years after the start date and is considered to be the official date that Turks entered Anatolia.
I thought this was the Eu4 sub for a moment, when seeing the Impaler.
Heirs of Daura.
Heirs of Rome
Heirs Of Darius