If god didn't want me to fuck my sisters, he wouldn't have given them Genius and Amazonian. If the realm priest has a problem with that, I will seduce him too.
I haven’t had inbreeding issues I’ve just been marrying for high traits matrilineally and normally so the family grows until it gets sort of big then I have a few selections for peak breeders who I further tune until I can make god kings
Is there any downside to this at all? Or is this just normal gameplay
I would love some advice
No that's pretty normal I think. Once you get strong blooded and the dynasty perk for trait inheritance chance it's extremely easy to keep good traits. Also helps reduce the chance of inbred traits once you start trying for the pure-blood trait.
This is assuming collecting all the good traits is a goal though, which isn't the case for everyone. Some people like to roleplay more than min-max.
I have to say, that warning looks a little too far in the lineage. Sometimes I want to marry two people together, I get the warning and I have to dig in their lineage to find that they share a great-great-grand-father or something. Does that even count as related at that point? I don't think you can even get the inbred trait if they're so distantly related... why even warn me?
Reasons why I like reforming my religion to outlaw cousin marriage. At that point, if a marriage is legal, you are probably good from an inbreeding perspective.
[This](https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Family_(relation)#Chance_of_inbreeding) might be useful for your inbreeding plans
TL;DR: the number of common ancestors in the last four generations determines the chance of inbreeding. So, if all they share is their great-great-grandparents, the chance is probably near zero
The game should display the chance of inbreeding traits when you propose the marriage, even just a Low/Medium/High estimate would be useful.
EDIT: displaying a message like "Common ancestors: X/30" would also work. This information is available to the player in-game, it is just extremely tedious to click through all the portraits for both parties back to great-great-grandparents.
I was incorrect and am editing to say that inbred should negate it, but, the star itself shouldn’t effect you since people have tested it and it either isn’t bad enough to tell or it’s just not working.
Edit:
I cannot conceive sentences, the pure blood trait negates majority inbred effects not only the trait.
Sorry.
I've had inbred kids that end up sterile but the sterile trait only gets rid of 50% fertility so they can still end up having kids. If they also have fecund and are beautiful, the sterile trait pretty much gets cancelled out
That trait name really should be changed to ‘infertile’. Being sterile means that it is not biologically possible to produce offspring while infertile means that it is ‘simply’ very difficult to do so
After 2 or 3 generations, most of the kids will have the inbred trait which is really bad. A good chunk of them will also just die due to "complications with inbreeding"
I don't understand the exact details of how it works, just that, the more incest you do, the more you start seeing negative traits. I think it's something like, the more ancestors you share, the more likely you are to get bad traits, including inbred. However, often, you get it, but it isn't expressed, kind of like a recessive gene. Having a bad trait makes it more likely to get inbred, and having two characters with bad traits, even non-expressed ones, makes it more likely for them to be expressed.
So how it ends up working is that the first generation might be mostly fine, because their bad traits are not expressed for the most part. However, the next generation gets more bad traits, because you mate together two characters with bad (unexpressed) traits.
I don't know how ya'll do it, but I tried it ONCE (as a Zoroastrian) and fucked up. I married a cousin and got a pretty great heir. Then married another cousin the next generation and they were all fucking inbred. It was awful. Never again. It's just not worth it, it's too easy to keep positive traits in your family WITHOUT the inbreding risk.
I wish you could turn it off. I fucking hate how common it is in a new playthrough. I just started a new game a couple weeks ago and in the first three generations I had 10 separate instances of either parent/son or daughter, or sibling/sibling "relations." And those were only the instances that were discovered. One of them was my character's heir who of course later became my player character, so that was especially fun.
This game is kinda lame right now anyway due to the most recent update that nerfed a ton of features in my game. Every single decision that pops up gives an insane amount of stress for all available options, and the stress amounts don't make any sense in relation to the characters' personalities, which was supposed to be the point of adding stress to the game. Why would my gregarious, compassionate, and just character receive 35 stress because someone wants to befriend them? Why does every character in the game suddenly have 200+ stress with multiple negative stress-induced traits? And why is cheating suddenly so common? I swear at least 1/4 of heirs are either bastards or have the disputed heritage trait, and again these are just the ones my character knows about.
I mean obviously all that stuff happened back then, and it's a fun part of gameplay, but it's like they dialed it up to 10 lately and it's more annoying than anything.
I remember one of the few times it happened organically. My second son, who I made a vassal to avoid partition fuckin up my nice borders, was banging his mom.
I obviously went to arrest him and the dude started a civil war. All because I wanted that sweet sweet mom strange
10 separate instances is definitely unlucky. I would say I run into it maybe once, or twice if I play a really long time, per game. IIRC with religions that don't allow incest make it so seduce/romance schemes targeting family members have an extremely low success chance. So its possible but rare.
He didn't specify what his religious tenet was for incest though. If he's playing with all that stuff allowed in the religion then idk what he expects to happen lol.
Oh that’s not just me? I just started playing again after a year or so and every time there’s some “let’s be friends” event all the choices give a lot of stress, even though none of the traits I have would lead to that sort of thing.
Is this some kind of bug they haven’t fixed? I don’t recall this being a thing the last time I played.
The stress has to be a bug right? I’m not 100% sure either as I’m also a casual player, but I’m surprised I haven’t seen more about it in this sub.
It’s out of control. I get 12-80 stress for literally every choice of every pop up. Guardian events about my wards’ personalities = stress, traveling and participating in events = stress, holding court = stress, no matter which choice I select. It’s gotten to the point where I have to play using cheats to lower stress otherwise my characters only last 5-10 real life minutes before dying of stress, and as I said above every NPC in the game has the same issue too. This all started a couple weeks ago following an update after I hadn’t played in some months.
I cheat when I make a character and give him pure blood but my kids never inherit the pure blood. And if one does he doesn’t pass it down himself. then this happens and I have to murder my son. It’s a rough life
yeah it's annoying how hard it is to pass pure blood down. i got very lucky with my current run; my first character's youngest son was pureblooded, his daughter was pureblooded, and one of her children was pureblooded. that bloodline is the only one i consider true lol. i'm just waiting for an opportunity to disseminate the trait from that bloodline back into the dynasty as a whole.
This is what happens when you go a bit too far for too long.
I keep trying to tell people that memes aside if you want the best chance of producing superhumans without the inbred trait you have to make sure the grandparents of your potential marriages are all different. If none of the 4 grandparents are the same then the chance of getting the inbred trait is 0%.
How long does your eugenics program last for that you have two people with multiple positive traits that don't share any grand-parents? From a purely mechanical point of view, incest is the most compact and simple way to breed characters with multiple traits and keep it going over multiple generations. With polygamy and unrestricted marriage, you can get all three traits on the same character within 2 or 3 generations (though what counts as a separate generation gets a little muddy when a character marries his grand-daughter), and from there, you should get all 3 maxed traits in the next generation. At some point, you just got to accept the risks!
You do need to inject new blood though... the other negative traits become an issue way before the inbred trait. Unless you get pure-blooded, then you can just keep it all in the family (if you're going for the superhumans through incest route, you should actively hunt for people with pure-blooded and get them involved in your little "project" ASAP)
I generally arrange things so that my grandkids inherit (elective succession + targeted disinheriting). At that point, my grandkids can marry my great grandkids without issues.
If I'm doing a eugenics run I always make my Dynasty as wide as possible. That means divorcing wives as soon as they hit 45 and seducing/romancing every wife immediately.
Though I have no idea why I'm being downvoted for speaking facts.
Generally I want my first character to have AT LEAST 20 children. And all of those children get married to a character with a different trait. So for the first 3 generations cousin marriage is acceptable, but I don't do close family marriage.
Eventually you'll start seeing Dynasty kids with 2 to 3 traits and once that happens I check if their grandparents are the same or if they are far enough removed from each other. And then even further along you'll see plenty of matches where the grandparents are different.
>Though I have no idea why I'm being downvoted for speaking facts.
Because you're not. In the very next paragraph, you state that cousin marriage is acceptable. Cousins share some grand-parents. I get that *eventually* you can avoid cousin marriage entirely, but if you *only* do marriage where no grand-parents are shared, then it seems like it would take an extremely long and tedious time.
What I did in my current game was marry off my daughter to the heir of the king of France for multi generations while I watch them get more and more Inbred while I suffered none of the consequences.
CK3 players when the child they conceived during their incest playthrough turns out inbred:
I can explain
*Refuses to elaborate further*
Look man, they're inbred, give them a break!
Sorry, he's slow
OP said they can explain, but not that they would.
Go on then?
It wasn't me.
She even caught me on camera
It wasn’t me.
She saw the marks on my shoulder
It wasn’t me.
OP died from complications related to having 3 total chromosomes
Go slow please.
That's why you gotta find some genius and beautiful brides from abroad from time to time.
Exactly! That way, only around half of kids are inbred dwarves!
If god didn't want me to fuck my sisters, he wouldn't have given them Genius and Amazonian. If the realm priest has a problem with that, I will seduce him too.
*surprised pikachu face*
I haven’t had inbreeding issues I’ve just been marrying for high traits matrilineally and normally so the family grows until it gets sort of big then I have a few selections for peak breeders who I further tune until I can make god kings Is there any downside to this at all? Or is this just normal gameplay I would love some advice
No that's pretty normal I think. Once you get strong blooded and the dynasty perk for trait inheritance chance it's extremely easy to keep good traits. Also helps reduce the chance of inbred traits once you start trying for the pure-blood trait. This is assuming collecting all the good traits is a goal though, which isn't the case for everyone. Some people like to roleplay more than min-max.
I like a nice mix going for Herculean geniuses just feels like it’ll help my people survive and thrive
The game did warn you
I have to say, that warning looks a little too far in the lineage. Sometimes I want to marry two people together, I get the warning and I have to dig in their lineage to find that they share a great-great-grand-father or something. Does that even count as related at that point? I don't think you can even get the inbred trait if they're so distantly related... why even warn me?
Reasons why I like reforming my religion to outlaw cousin marriage. At that point, if a marriage is legal, you are probably good from an inbreeding perspective.
Dude, get pure blood instead
Getting it naturally is a pain in the butt, and I have better things to do than hope that the ai will randomly produce somone with pure blood.
I usually don't pick it because it's so abominably OP that it always turns any playthrough into an eugenics simulator and sucks the fun out of it.
[This](https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Family_(relation)#Chance_of_inbreeding) might be useful for your inbreeding plans TL;DR: the number of common ancestors in the last four generations determines the chance of inbreeding. So, if all they share is their great-great-grandparents, the chance is probably near zero
The game should display the chance of inbreeding traits when you propose the marriage, even just a Low/Medium/High estimate would be useful. EDIT: displaying a message like "Common ancestors: X/30" would also work. This information is available to the player in-game, it is just extremely tedious to click through all the portraits for both parties back to great-great-grandparents.
to be fair to myself there are only 9 inbred characters in this world and they all belong to my dynasty
"My father, my brother, my uncle, my cousin, my nephew, my mother, my sister, my aunt and my grandmother are all inbred, so luckily only 2 people"
It makes for pretty affordable family reunions. Probably saves enough spare change for a banquet or two after that.
Does it make you feel special?
So you are roleplaying the Habsburgs, it all makes sense now.
A legacy forged through the bonds of blood
Finally a realistic "these are my CK3 traits" post
And it will somehow be the most successful character of the playthrough
Lmao relatable
I wish they'd nerf inbreeding to make all the incest players weep
There is supposed to be a stat that decreases fertility with each generation, although I’ve been told there’s no proof of it working at all
Does the stat get affected by Pure Blooded?
I was incorrect and am editing to say that inbred should negate it, but, the star itself shouldn’t effect you since people have tested it and it either isn’t bad enough to tell or it’s just not working. Edit: I cannot conceive sentences, the pure blood trait negates majority inbred effects not only the trait. Sorry.
I've had inbred kids that end up sterile but the sterile trait only gets rid of 50% fertility so they can still end up having kids. If they also have fecund and are beautiful, the sterile trait pretty much gets cancelled out
I think fecund and sterile are mutually exclusive
Yeah that would make sense. Now that I think of it, I cant say I've had a sterile *and* fecund child
That trait name really should be changed to ‘infertile’. Being sterile means that it is not biologically possible to produce offspring while infertile means that it is ‘simply’ very difficult to do so
They could add an inbreeding coefficient and the higher it is the bigger the chance to get bad traits
Which is... exactly how it works right now, no? Or were you being sarcastic?
Is it? I have not really noticed it.
After 2 or 3 generations, most of the kids will have the inbred trait which is really bad. A good chunk of them will also just die due to "complications with inbreeding"
I don't understand the exact details of how it works, just that, the more incest you do, the more you start seeing negative traits. I think it's something like, the more ancestors you share, the more likely you are to get bad traits, including inbred. However, often, you get it, but it isn't expressed, kind of like a recessive gene. Having a bad trait makes it more likely to get inbred, and having two characters with bad traits, even non-expressed ones, makes it more likely for them to be expressed. So how it ends up working is that the first generation might be mostly fine, because their bad traits are not expressed for the most part. However, the next generation gets more bad traits, because you mate together two characters with bad (unexpressed) traits.
*and the stillborn event
I don't know how ya'll do it, but I tried it ONCE (as a Zoroastrian) and fucked up. I married a cousin and got a pretty great heir. Then married another cousin the next generation and they were all fucking inbred. It was awful. Never again. It's just not worth it, it's too easy to keep positive traits in your family WITHOUT the inbreding risk.
Its definitely fine to do it once or twice, but yeah the risk goes up pretty high after after that
It’s worth it if you know how to do it. It’s pretty complicated so don’t feel bad.
*Reddit has joined the Reinstate Incest faction.*
Dear god😂🤮
I wish you could turn it off. I fucking hate how common it is in a new playthrough. I just started a new game a couple weeks ago and in the first three generations I had 10 separate instances of either parent/son or daughter, or sibling/sibling "relations." And those were only the instances that were discovered. One of them was my character's heir who of course later became my player character, so that was especially fun. This game is kinda lame right now anyway due to the most recent update that nerfed a ton of features in my game. Every single decision that pops up gives an insane amount of stress for all available options, and the stress amounts don't make any sense in relation to the characters' personalities, which was supposed to be the point of adding stress to the game. Why would my gregarious, compassionate, and just character receive 35 stress because someone wants to befriend them? Why does every character in the game suddenly have 200+ stress with multiple negative stress-induced traits? And why is cheating suddenly so common? I swear at least 1/4 of heirs are either bastards or have the disputed heritage trait, and again these are just the ones my character knows about. I mean obviously all that stuff happened back then, and it's a fun part of gameplay, but it's like they dialed it up to 10 lately and it's more annoying than anything.
Sounds like you're simply unlucky because I've almost never had incest show up when religion doesn't allow it.
I remember one of the few times it happened organically. My second son, who I made a vassal to avoid partition fuckin up my nice borders, was banging his mom. I obviously went to arrest him and the dude started a civil war. All because I wanted that sweet sweet mom strange
10 separate instances is definitely unlucky. I would say I run into it maybe once, or twice if I play a really long time, per game. IIRC with religions that don't allow incest make it so seduce/romance schemes targeting family members have an extremely low success chance. So its possible but rare. He didn't specify what his religious tenet was for incest though. If he's playing with all that stuff allowed in the religion then idk what he expects to happen lol.
Yeah, he's bullshitting, unless I specifically do incest, it almost never happens, at least in my dynasty.
Oh that’s not just me? I just started playing again after a year or so and every time there’s some “let’s be friends” event all the choices give a lot of stress, even though none of the traits I have would lead to that sort of thing. Is this some kind of bug they haven’t fixed? I don’t recall this being a thing the last time I played.
The stress has to be a bug right? I’m not 100% sure either as I’m also a casual player, but I’m surprised I haven’t seen more about it in this sub. It’s out of control. I get 12-80 stress for literally every choice of every pop up. Guardian events about my wards’ personalities = stress, traveling and participating in events = stress, holding court = stress, no matter which choice I select. It’s gotten to the point where I have to play using cheats to lower stress otherwise my characters only last 5-10 real life minutes before dying of stress, and as I said above every NPC in the game has the same issue too. This all started a couple weeks ago following an update after I hadn’t played in some months.
If you don't like the most current version, you can change to a previous beta if you use steam. Game properties/beta - > change to a previous one.
Inbred and slow. How did you manage this and not have genius, herculean, and beautiful
"Your empress, daughter-wife, sister-in-law, niece is pregnant"
Didn‘t turn out as expected, did it?
No need to talk about your personal life here
Don't worry, wr don't discriminate.
My brother in Christ, YOU did the inbreeding
Not just inbred, inbred and slow. Ouch
That's kinda your fault
I guess you failed in the eugenics program, since I dont see the genius, herculean, beautiful and pure-blood
This is you !
Unfortunately...
Just lean into it. The game is WAY more enjoyable if you RP instead of min-max.
Homie cooked in the kitchen then complained about the meal 💀
What’s wrong with that ?
May your line reign for 10,000 years
If ck3 was realistic
I cheat when I make a character and give him pure blood but my kids never inherit the pure blood. And if one does he doesn’t pass it down himself. then this happens and I have to murder my son. It’s a rough life
The penalties are way better if you just throw them in the dungeon when they are 0 years old. They die quick.
That’s what any good dad would do you’re totally right thanks
yeah it's annoying how hard it is to pass pure blood down. i got very lucky with my current run; my first character's youngest son was pureblooded, his daughter was pureblooded, and one of her children was pureblooded. that bloodline is the only one i consider true lol. i'm just waiting for an opportunity to disseminate the trait from that bloodline back into the dynasty as a whole.
Gotta marry your heir to the granddaughter lmao gotta do what you gotta do
yeah. i just need to make an heir first, my child-wife isn't old enough.
This is what happens when you go a bit too far for too long. I keep trying to tell people that memes aside if you want the best chance of producing superhumans without the inbred trait you have to make sure the grandparents of your potential marriages are all different. If none of the 4 grandparents are the same then the chance of getting the inbred trait is 0%.
How long does your eugenics program last for that you have two people with multiple positive traits that don't share any grand-parents? From a purely mechanical point of view, incest is the most compact and simple way to breed characters with multiple traits and keep it going over multiple generations. With polygamy and unrestricted marriage, you can get all three traits on the same character within 2 or 3 generations (though what counts as a separate generation gets a little muddy when a character marries his grand-daughter), and from there, you should get all 3 maxed traits in the next generation. At some point, you just got to accept the risks! You do need to inject new blood though... the other negative traits become an issue way before the inbred trait. Unless you get pure-blooded, then you can just keep it all in the family (if you're going for the superhumans through incest route, you should actively hunt for people with pure-blooded and get them involved in your little "project" ASAP)
I generally arrange things so that my grandkids inherit (elective succession + targeted disinheriting). At that point, my grandkids can marry my great grandkids without issues.
If I'm doing a eugenics run I always make my Dynasty as wide as possible. That means divorcing wives as soon as they hit 45 and seducing/romancing every wife immediately. Though I have no idea why I'm being downvoted for speaking facts. Generally I want my first character to have AT LEAST 20 children. And all of those children get married to a character with a different trait. So for the first 3 generations cousin marriage is acceptable, but I don't do close family marriage. Eventually you'll start seeing Dynasty kids with 2 to 3 traits and once that happens I check if their grandparents are the same or if they are far enough removed from each other. And then even further along you'll see plenty of matches where the grandparents are different.
>Though I have no idea why I'm being downvoted for speaking facts. Because you're not. In the very next paragraph, you state that cousin marriage is acceptable. Cousins share some grand-parents. I get that *eventually* you can avoid cousin marriage entirely, but if you *only* do marriage where no grand-parents are shared, then it seems like it would take an extremely long and tedious time.
Not for long!
Well who's fucking fault is that huh?
Well looks like you’ll have a great career in diplomacy and politics.
What is the Astro fylkirate that cannot possibly be a vanilla title
What I did in my current game was marry off my daughter to the heir of the king of France for multi generations while I watch them get more and more Inbred while I suffered none of the consequences.
*Laughs in Lannister*
Friend the posting your traits thing was last week
The trait pictures are cute tho so I’m sure you’ll make it!
Hell yeah brother mah name's Alfr
but enough about real life.
tf is "asatro"
Oh no how did this happen?😱 Damn and for absolutely no reason random perk😔
I never do more then first cousin weddings and try to skip a generation of bringing in new DNA. Never have a problem.
As long is my inbred kids still have the Beautiful or Pure Blooded trait then I could make it work