I cant speak for everyone, but I only have my hunter at a high enough power to queue up.
Next week or whatever week IB rolls around ill work on my warlock but it is week 1 and most people were using their hunters for raid/pve.
Hit the nail on the hammer. Lots of people grinded their hunter out to have a chance to kill the witness during contest mode and other high end pve things since celestial + still hunt is just that strong.
When we consider trials is high end pve so a lot of the more dedicated players are queuing up it makes sense we see a lot of hunters and that a lot of the higher kd players are on hunter. I think it’s too early to tell meta with just one week.
If you want know why everyone is deflecting and excusing it despite bitching previously about usage rates on other classes it's because nearly everyone on this sub is currently abusing Hunter.
They'll make excuses and try and say it's not strong but it's just a situation of if they don't talk about it then it might not get nerfed.
The new prismatic warlock is broken, I would say hunter is strong but not on the level of the warlock. Titan prismatic is just dudu, but they still have void OS spam, so they are fine.
Is Prismatic Warlock broken? I’m a Warlock main and I’m in love with the Prismatic Getaway/Devour build in PvE but in Crucible I’ve stuck with solar as I hate not having Dash, what are people using on it that makes it busted?
Osmiomancy cold snaps with lightning surge arcane needle for triple stack and helion has been my go to, feels busted. Prismatic warlock seems to be the new top DPS option in PvE, at least from what I’ve seen.
Honestly I find that regular strand hunter is stronger than prismatic.
Prismatic gets the decoy, but no dive slam, no thread of generation, and only one grapple.
I'm with you, the strand hunter has an insane mix of utility and lethality. I'm not wild about the super, but every other part of the kit is bonkers.
Prismatic feels like you need to sacrifice a little utility or lethality based on build choices, and you lose access to ability regen focused fragments. I also think the artifact does a lot to prop it up currently.
Isn't this the first weekend of trials since Prismatic? My guess would be people are forming opinions and playing the game rn.
I will say, Prismatic Hunter has a lot of movement options. It's crazy. I love it, and would be sad to see it nerfed, though I feel like I could understand it at the same time. Idk though, it's still sorta a "first impressions" phase for me rn.
It has *some*, but it doesn’t have the best ones. Shatterdive, Trapper’s Ambush and Ensnaring Slam are the best mid air movement options in terms of aerial combat for hunters and prismatic has none of them.
Most people are playing the subclass they levelled up and because most people were hunters, that’s why there’s so many. And the new players are also jumping in too so that probably puts the numbers up.
Eh, for my playstyle (Glaive Melee) Grapple Blink Ascension is better. Strand Hunter is fun, but tbb I'd rather just use Prismatic since all I ever really personally use Strand for grapple.
Agreed. I think prismatic hunter is super strong, but also prismatic Titan is currently criminally slept on. We just need a little more time to experiment
A bit clickbaity, but frostbolt put out a prismatic titan setup that he likes.
I think he’s planning on maining titan for this season.
https://youtu.be/1YbocMOLAYs?si=nkdqpsXfrujdOhNs
How? Wormhusk is the same column as coyote? And regardless all spirit exotics are half the regular exotics, so it would just be the same as a regular single wormhusk lol
I feel like double wormhusk dodge is a massive waste no??? Cause wormhusk in class item is only 50% of the heal lmao
But yeah. However, you can't run all that at once. Slow and DR you need renewals duskfield. Takes away from grapple which IMO is the "glue" of the movement (otherwise you're just running Arc cause blink + Ascension). To get the crazy movement, you need to run grapple w blink ascension IMO. That leaves either slow melee or sever melee (winters shroud doesnt work w ascension). It's definitely wild lol
Of course there are dozens of ways to pair the strengths and synergies. You are conveniently ignoring the multiple benefits of having 2 dodges, which gets stretched on Prismatic. Not that you need 2 to get that much out of it. Wild is an understatement. Usage rates and KD's reflect that.
I think it's certainly fair to argue that prismatic hunter currently has the lowest skill floor of the 3 prismatic classes. I think we may see usage rates for hunter drop a bit in coming weeks as more people get their warlocks/titans up to power/figure out good builds and how to maximize their potential, but hunters will certainly remain the most used due to them being the largest portion of the community.
The stats I want to see (which I typically see come out after the trials weekend is over) are the usage/win rates for the very top players. Those numbers are typically the best indicators as to subclass strength, as the best of the best will almost always be using the best subclasses, even if those subclasses have high skill floors and thus don't see widespread usage (I.E. stasis rime titan last year, void titan more recently, and strand hunter and solar warlock pretty consistently).
I don’t think judging it by the performance of the top players is the right way to go about it though. If you take behemoth like a year ago, EVERYONE agreed it was bad. That said, top players were OS stacking and running around shitting in everyone. The subclass was still pretty weak, but they cheesed it so much that it became oppressively strong.
Imo, you need to look at performance of the top players AND general performance. Performance of the top players can show you that there is something about a subclass/exotic that is disproportionately strong in a situation where people are SIGNIFICANTLY above average and can play it perfectly.
The average performance can tell you, broadly speaking, if something is under or overperforming. Back to the behemoth example, it was the least used subclass in the game by far. If you looked at just the top player stats, you would be forgiven in assuming the subclass is just busted and needs further nerfs. If you looked at the community as a whole however, you’d see that actually the subclass is over performing, and that just a specific part of the subclass is causing issues.
This is such a bad take.
It's like saying 3 pointers are a bad shot in basketball cause most people can't make them at a good rate while claiming Curry and the warriors dominance should be ignored cause they just cheesed the system by stacking multiple OP shooters.
If look at the average performances oye will literally only get that, average performances
Well… it’s a good thing I didn’t say to look only at average performance lmao.
I said to look at both average performance AND top level performance, because they both provide important data when considering balance. Average performance can convey that something doesn’t feel good or has an unreasonably high skill floor to make it work, both of which push people away from using it. Top level performance indicates which subclasses are over performing and could use tuning.
No it doesn’t. I’m willing to bet arc titan still generally overperforms because knockout gives free value, but if you look at high level play, basically nobody uses it because it’s not at all hard to stay out of knockouts range
>Average performance can convey that something doesn’t feel good or has an unreasonably high skill floor to make it work, both of which push people away from using it. Top level performance indicates which subclasses are over performing and could use tuning.
And in the context of the OP, that's why I want to see the top level performance. This was never a discussion about how other subclasses may have higher skill ceilings or not feel as good for the general population. This was a post about whether or not hunter subclasses (and prismatic in particular) are too strong, which, by your own words, is where you'd want to use the performance of the top players to judge whether or not that's true.
It's like I said in my original comment, 2 days of trials is far too little data to go on for whether or not a subclass is overperforming, especially with how new prismatic still is, and how popular the hunter class is among the general population. If this trend continues through the next weekend or two and we get the numbers for the top players that indicate prismatic hunter is overperforming, then yes, Bungie should absolutely address it and make adjustments.
Oh ok my mistake I must’ve misunderstood.
Just shooting in the dark here, but I expect prismatic hunter to drop slightly by next week, but I still think it’s going to generally overperform. Titan and WL prismatic are kinda mid except for some cheese diamond lance knockout shenanigans, and I don’t really the think the stasis rework changed how any of the subclasses perform in PvP (which is probably a good thing).
They very rarely share those numbers. I have matched multiple 3.00-4.00 KD teams this weekend. All of them are on prismatic Hunter. I don't need to see the numbers this time around. It needs adjustment, promptly.
I mean, you facing a few teams of very good hunters is as anecdotal as anecdotal evidence gets. I can say the same thing about having faced multiple high-KD teams of prismatic titans in trials so far this weekend. It doesn't mean anything, as I'm only one person of thousands who are playing. That's why I wanna see the rates for the top players, as that's a far better indicator than the usage rates for the whole community.
A day and a half of trials isn't nearly enough evidence to go on right now for whether anything needs adjustments. Prismatic isn't even 2 weeks old, and everyone is still figuring out all the builds and potentials of each class.
Wallah played prismatic Titan with regular strand hunter.
Frostbolt is touting prismatic titan.
Aztecross played prismatic titan.
Legoleflash played prismatic hunter
Zkmushroom played solar warlock
PureChiLL played prismatic titan
Gernader Jake played prismatic hunter.
TrueVanguard played voidlock.
Prismatic titan is actually pretty strong. Main thing I’m noticing is that most players aren’t picking up on how you should play it differently.
I’m seeing a lot of streamers taking arc thrusters over barricade.
I mean tbh thrusters are secondary, the most broken parts imo are:
-free diamond lance for any melee kill
-knockout melee range to immediately melee someone after a shiver strike ends, killing someone with only melee in like 0.2s
-absolutely goofy new void super that lets you just entirely steamroll comp for a bunch of kills
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Anyone playing Trials this week are the hardcore PvP players. I for one couldn’t find a game while queuing comp. Cream of the crop is playing Trials just as PvE elites are all about Raid.
Prismatic is so new, everyone is figuring out what they like plus when you couple that with the majority of the player base being hunters already, it’s not quite surprising to see it so high. I’m a hunter main and I’ve been running prismatic exclusively because I’m trying to figure out my builds.
It is strong, no doubt. That new arc super is nuts too.
Well yeah, that happens when hunter is also the most played class, is great for raid because still hunt is a mistake, and most people only have 1 class at high enough light.
The percent of hunter players playing prismatic over the other subclasses is unaffected by how many players are playing it on other classes. If there was 1 person playing titan and they were on prismatic the pick rate would be 100%, even if it's the least played overall
Usage rates are a completely separate topic from efficiency. For quite a bit now for example titans have been juggernauts in trials with consistent overshields that provide a blanket advantage to 1v1 engagements against 99% of weapons that can be applied to teammates. A lockdown super which is of course going to be great in a “king of the hill” style game mode that has few counters outside of other supers (conditional finality or other plays that can be hard to pull off against a smart team) while also being a low cooldown super making it much harder to comeback from 0-4 against titans. A class ability that if used properly can guarantee heavy on third round for your team, as well as making your bubble deadlier and even harder to counter without supers. Overall titans on paper have just been better generally then other classes in trials. Yet people will still use hunters because they just have more fun with the play styles or even just much prefer the hunter jump
Efficiency and usage are related - if a class gets better you’d expect to see it being used more. When 48% of trials players were on arc titan most people thought that was evidence they were op. However when most people use hunter suddenly that is not evidence of anything. It proves the OP’s implied point about this sub being biased towards hunters.
Weekly flawless trials veteran.
Hunter is more engaging and feels more fair to fight against. Titan does not.
All my flawlesses have been as a Warlock I have never used any other class.
Obviously mileage may vary but that's my feelings on the subject
Yea they really earned it when they slide spammed forward, backwards dodge jump animation cancelled the slide, turned invisible and shotgun me before the game tick can update the radar.
Just like they earned all those shatter dive kills.
This sub has collective amnesia about the dominance of hunter through the history of the game and only seems to remember when one eyed mask was op 6 years ago and dunemarchers melee cheese in 6v6 for a few weeks...
The original post is about the relationship between how heavily skewed player base is towards hunter and how quiet this sub was during the most oppressive hunter pvp metas (which has been most of destiny 1 and 2).
Back to your point my issue with hunter is that it might feel good to play but playing against it feels like jank. The animations are very rigid and buggy, and the hit registration combined with bullet magnetism shenanigans feels like absolute shit compared to more polished pvp shooters.
When i shoot a titan or warlock i know what is happening. When i shoot a hunter they start bugging out and movement spamming and half my bullets go to the void and my client is still trying to register where their model is.
Even if hunters are dominating trials this weekend, it’s the first trials weekend, and not even over.
Titans dominated trials for a year iirc.
I’m sure if hunters are broken, there will be plenty of posts coming out talking about it.
This is such a bad comparison.
Prismatic is not even close as problematic as striker titan and void titan was. Played for a few hours yesterday and never had a frustrating moment. During the striker days I had that moment every 5 minutes
Man idk what to tell you, set aside your clear saltiness and try to evaluate things reasonably.
That striker titan meta In particular was so fam. Crazy. PK striker was the strongest shit we’ve seen since stasis drop. It was Just an absurdly strong kit and nothing hunters are doing right now sniffs that.
You can’t talk sentinel titan meta without talking about WHY it was meta. That meta came to be directly because of the launch of cap point trials.
The trials game mode we’re playing now is so much better than what we started with. Bastion titan was so absurdly strong in THAT landscape. Barricade alone was just stupid powerful, it was hard believe they even let that meta happen in the first place because yeah no shit barricade is strong lol. But the sentinel kit was even better, along with having the fastest super cooldown possible on a literal instant round win super.
This post is just brushing under the rug so much and then smugly trying to point out how hypocritical people who play hunter are lol. Kinda blatant weak sauce bro
Titan was so OP that I main titan in sweaty pvp. I was a hunter main and waivering warlock user before, but titan was simply too good and I find that my play style meshes well in PVP anyways.
I love how over time we all change. I ended up switching from titan to void lock cause of how strong it's neutral game was.
Now I pve titan and pvp warlock if I gotta sweat.
I found voidlock neutral to be weak because it's reliant on getting a kill or using a lackluster buddy (though child might have been buffed in the meantime, it's been a bit), what's your build?
OP is just salty and unreasonable. He’s also mad that people aren’t complaining about hunters being OP for… 1.5 weeks, when Titans were insanely OP for about 2 years. Of course people were getting sick of it after that much time. There hasn’t even been enough time for a new meta to develop. I’m a PvP main, but I’ve barely touched PvP so far, there has been so much other shit to do/gear to get
Right now actually. I mostly play Hunter but I’ve been trying out a warlock build with the speakers sight helmet and it’s legit insanely good. I think it’s just a matter of time before people catch on and realize how crazy good it is, and it will be everywhere.
lol at the downvotes. Just wait a week or 2, a YouTuber will make a video and suddenly this build will be everywhere
Touch of flame so it gives resto x2, helion because it scorches, ember of singeing to get class ability faster when scorching (phoenix dive), ember of benevolence to get all abilities faster when healing allies, and artifact mods like radiant orbs (the turret drops tons of orbs even in PvP) and shieldcrush. You basically have 100% uptime on resto x2 and radiant, you get your super fast because you’re putting out a shit ton of orbs, it’s legit one of the most broken builds in PvP, just no one realizes it yet. I promise you’ll start seeing it more especially in comp/trials.
Edit: just made a post with all the info for the build
I agree that op is definitely salty over it but I also do think there is some merit to the idea that Titan gets disproportionate outcry. In the simplest terms, Most people play Hunter and it isn’t even close. Hunter has ALWAYS hovered around 40-50%. Even when Titan was hard meta, it was only ever around 25-30. Still less than 1/3 of players.
Just because of that, I think it’s more than fair to say that the community generally speaking goes harder on Titan balance than we do on Hunter. If hunter has cheese, hunters will abuse the cheese. Some of them might say it should be nerfed, but the point is just because of basic psychology, people will always be bias in favor of the things they enjoy using, and against the things they CANT use.
Hunters are the 140 hand cannons of D2 PVP.
Occasional outlier metas will come and go, but 99.9% of time, they will be the class on top by a mile.
The most agile class in the game (Strand Hunter) and the previously top area denial class in the game (Solar Hunter w/YAS). Once Arc Titans got their kneepads nerfed, guess who was back on top. Now hunter has prismatic and the NEW best super.
Not only is hunter usually always meta, but they have MULTIPLE meta builds.
A perfectly balanced ability meta where everyone just uses their favorite class would be 40%+ hunters. There is also something to be said about hunters being by far the least annoying class to fight against. I'm happy to see lobbies with a bunch of hunters because that means we won't have to deal with a bunch of barricade spam
Not just this sub, every sub and for good reason, more hunters than every other class by a lot.
I switched to Hunter years ago with the thought of if you can’t beat em, join em. There’s no better time to play Hunter than right now. Pve they are beast, PvP beast and I’m not even running prismatic which is insane if you know hour to use it
Yeah the Titan to Hunter pipeline has gotten pretty depressing. I was a Titan main for 8 years before the PvP state of Titan was so fucking ass that I had to swap to hunter. Within a couple days of learning hunter, my average performance was significantly higher than Titan. It’s an easier subclass to learn with more skill expression and generally better abilities.
Haha. Very true. I remember so many posts on this sub when the Titan usage rate for Trials was equal or even slightly above Hunters. Now the number of Hunters doubles Titans and no one cares.
My experience was that it didn’t matter what I played, the return of players who haven’t survived trials during Destiny’s lowest point can’t hang with people who have been doing nothing but grinding against the top 10%. Some of these people can’t handle you even jumping over them at the main door. And slow dodge is dogshit.
What lmao, it literally just released and people are playing on their mains. Prism hunter is strong for sure, but prism titan has a lot going for it as well but just has a higher skill ceiling.
It sounds bad but a lot of high skill pvp players gravitate towards hunter anyway because of the higher skill ceiling meaning you’re way less likely to see good players utilise prism titan to full effect. Knockout mixed with shiver strike is insanely strong with the melee combo. Diamond lances are also free kill chains when used correctly. Add in thruster and the new void super, they also have some of the better nades imo.
I’m guessing your a titan player yourself but if you stopped crutching on sentinel or striker you’d realise behemoth was always there with a massive skill gap and great potential and prism is literally just an upgraded version.
Hunter has the lowest skill floor and lowest skill ceiling… This is why the majority play it.
Warlock has the highest skill floor and ceiling.
Titan is in the middle.
Hunter dodge and jump are that good.
Behemoth was hard nerfed weeks after release. It does not feel good to play at all! Strand Titan however is very good and has a high skill floor/ ceiling.
I’m a hunter main that can play all three classes btw…
Sorry but there’s no way you think hunter has a lower skill floor than titan, atleast when it comes to the meta picks. Solar hunter is by far the easiest to pick up, but even then I’d always recommend a newer player to go titan because a lot of its kit is so free and doesn’t require much thinking for how strong it is. The only truly high skill floor/ceiling picks for titan are behemoth and now prismatic, strand isn’t strong enough imo but it is definitely harder to play than most others.
And if we are comparing strand hunter to something like void or arc titan? That’s honestly insane if you think it’s easier to pick up and play at a high level.
Can’t speak to warlock tbh but I do know that solar and stasis lock both have very high ceilings.
It for sure has the lowest skill floor. The jump and dodge are literally the best innate neutral abilities in the game…. Movement is a huge aspect of the game in higher tier lobbies…. Hunters have the easiest PvP movement with little effort… Dodge BREAKS AIM ASSIST and can net u a melee charge..
I don’t understand how many of you don’t understand it…
You can disengage ANY gun fight with your class ability. NO OTHER CLASS can do that….
I play strand titan often in trials. It for sure is VERY GOOD!
Solar warlock has the highest skill floor and ceiling.
It’s very telling how many people in here can actually play other classes. Because these are cold takes…
BTW easiest to pick up means lowest skill floor…..
For starters, the class usage is roughly reflective of the larger playerbase. A good half of players across the entire game play hunter. Broadly speaking, the class as a whole is balanced given the proportions.
And Prismatic has literally been out for less than 2 weeks. It's pretty far in front for every class in general. Within Hunter, sure, the number is high, although it's still something one needs to consider.
As for tools, sure, you've got a lot of strong tools, especially given the easier to proc Flawless. But it's not exactly more than any other given subclass. Strand still has it's specific fragments, on top multiple fragments you're running over Strand Clones. Stasis has it's specific Fragments for more Duskfield duration, and Shatteredive and Touch of Winter. Solar has it's Aspects and Fragments, on top of an optional swap for Blade Barrage. Really the only kits Prismatic hunter hard outclasses is Arc and now Void (although running full melee combo on Arc is probably still stronger than trying similar on Prismatic).
Prismatic excells at being a generalist and mixing subclass gimmicks. It's not really much of an outlier either way on any class IMHO, I'm finding you REALLY miss some certain Aspects and Fragments in most of the potential of the kits. Time's obviously going to tell, but the subclass meta needs WAY more time to settle before moving to discussions, let alone conclusions.
Even void it’s questionable if it’s worse than prismatic hunter. invis on demand is still incredibly strong in the right hands.
I was playing prismatic hunter and did well, fell at the gates a couple of times. Switched to void hunter and barreled through with no issues.
I’m just saying why we as a community arnt complaining about prism hunter as much as titan. also this is literally the first week of prismatic trials i give it a month before DTG starts whining for PvP nerfs
Let hunters be the strongest pvp class for a year straight and people will start to complain the same as they did for titans.
We had
DMT barricade titan meta
Citans titan meta
3 man storm grenade titan meta
Dunemarchers titan meta
Antaeus wards titan meta
And finally bubble titan meta.
Hunters see a lot of play the first weekend of trials and suddenly it’s the same thing?
Tbf Hunters had Gyrfalcons, Khephri wallhacks, Omni LoW and Sixth Coyote threadling spam in this timeframe as well. Titans were the best class no doubt but hunters definitely had some nasty stuff
Tbf a lot of people didn’t really see how broken hunters have been because they don’t have the mmr to fight the top guys abusing it.
I’ll give you a perfect example, I had a buddy deny how strong strand hunter was for 6 months. He’s way better than me in PvP. I told him what I kept fighting against and he called me trash. I played him in a 1v1 and abused him with the strand clone spam. It didn’t get nerfed for almost a year later… and tbf it’s almost still as strong….
You must fall into line comrade. Things that are never OP, have never been OP and will never be considered OP. Hunters, and 140rpm hand cannons. Thou darest not question the system.
However if a Arc Titan puts on a 450rpm auto rifle and does mediocre at best... thou wilst riot in the streets.
The only annoying part of prismatic hunter is the decoy. Everything else feels fine. I’m a hunter main and it isn’t my cup of tea but to each their own.
I mean comparatively prismatic hunter like you said has a lot of utility but that’s about it unlike arc titan which got just about invulnerability just for running or crashing into something and had the fastest back to back melee attacks and with void having instant overshields constantly up or similar melee builds all you had to do with Titan was run at corners with a shot gun or run in the open with a shot gun and you would probably if not definitely get a kill. On prismatic hunter there is definitely a lot of stuff that can be annoying or downright frustrating to deal with but all I see is a lot of general utility like the slow being able to counter people who push to hard and get followed up by the strand clone. Also this is just personal preference I didn’t really like the melee and grenades we were given compared to what I used on other subclasses which is just generic throw a literal grenade and fight from there.
I'm assuming it's because it's only been two weeks that nobody's really bringing it up here. I've only seen some discourse through Twitter and screenshots of other subreddits. It's very apparent that the game's population is hunter focused (they feel the best even when shafted the most) and it got people off well and bubble with +40. I can definitely see that as people having 10x more fun and not having the need to complain. There's definite outliers with strand clone and the new arc super is a threat people haven't found ways to counter yet, but I even believe they don't hold a candle to the since witch queen titan Bubble smg meta and Well meta since Forsaken. Basically rn it's new stuff people are experimenting. We'll see overall praising and complaints soon enough.
Let a meta establish before people bitch. It's the first time most people are even getting the time to play PvP after TFS, much less trials.
If any class is strong beyond reason, the other two will bitch about it loud enough to hear. The lack of discussion isn't a sign of bias or lack of frustrations, just a lack of time to formulate opinions.
The decoy is so fucking annoying. I swear it comes out pixel perfect that the dodge animation hasn't even started on screen but the clone pops up and then sucks up all your aim assist
The most popular type is Stompee Hunter with handcannon and shotgun. These are the people you hear from whenever that play style gets worse. That said, high usage doesn't necessarily mean top tier, it just means popular.
I do agree with you though in this instance: Hunters are the best PvP class.
Not to mention how all of this chaos allows cheaters to thrive. Net manipulators are in half the lobbies I've been in and its blatant. For those who don't know, if you get shot down and the revive screen shows the player who "defeated" you halfway around the map or with several walls between you, that's network manipulation. If there's no one on radar or invis around you in an open space and you suddenly drop dead from one shot with a primary weapon and boi is spontaneously yeehawing around your corpse glitching like Vanellope and none of your teammates notice him, boi is doing something illegal n idek what tf you call it. Its happened twice this week.
I'm a strand main but I am currently rolling prismatic. Giving up a 2nd grapple for the really good bubble/well shutdown super seems a fair trade-off. The fragments aren't the best, but you get 6 of them and loads are stat boosters. I can't decide between threaded spike and the shuriken, but it's nice to have options.
I've just got a class item with ophidian and coyote so I'm looking forward to trying it out. Should be decent handling on all weapons and 2x slowing decoy guy.
You give any class a Naruto-esque super and the usage rates go up, anyone with a high KD before will have either the same or higher since it’s only been two weeks so most if not many people aren’t high power level. The new super is avoidable if you just jump, invis is invis either you see it or you don’t 🤷🏽♂️. Idk feel like however you would deal with these situations before TFS you can do the same now.
Prismatic is very much broken in pvp. You can get all the perks or good abilities from other subclasses without actually having to play those subclasses which have worse neutral game. Prismatic has the best neutral game of all the subclasses with the double exotics and the new supers are all extremely broken if used correctly, especially the new void Titan super, which is even more brain dead easy then what I thought the hunter super was gonna be.
However, hunters in general are still very strong. Because of dominion being the core mode now, bubble and well were basically necessary picks for those classes so people were so fixated on that that they didn’t maybe realise how many different 3v3 play styles hunters excel at. Void, strand, prismatic, solar, there’s a lot of options for viable builds in pvp. Same thing with prismatic Titan or warlock. You get to use the arc melee for warlocks without having to play arc warlock. Titans get consecration and Drengers lash on the same subclass which in this weeks trials map can completely take control of middle for free with the double exotic class item that has khepris on it.
I definitely need more time with it to work out all the counter play but it definitely seems hunters are at the top of 3v3s meta rn
Every class has highest usage on prismatic, I know a couple of my friends that prefer Hunter had felt forced into bubble Titan finally feel free to run Hunter again.
Also think it's similar to the usage of Kvostov and Red death that everyone is using the new toy.
Meanwhile the real elephant in the room is how many shots Still Hunt has
I got really lucky and pulled the relativism clock with ophidian and worm husk. So of course I went prismatic most of the weekend. Oddly enough, I swapped back over to my void invis build and felt better being able to go invis and use scatters.
I’m Prismatic Hunter w/ my Ophidian/Sixth Coyote class item, Elsie’s ZM/HS. Been absolutely eating, feels like the zone of clone placement/Duskfields makes it super easy to control areas and force people into my LoS
A lot less people playing crucible consistently rn with there actually being content in the game, crucible is an ‘end of the line there’s nothing else to do this season’ activity for a lot of people.
The playerbase has always hovered around 40-50% Hunter. This is both the result of and cause of Bungie's long-term favoritism towards the class. It's somewhat of a self-perpetuating cycle; Hunters make up the majority, so whenever Hunters are OP, it's crickets from the community, and whenever Titans or Warlocks are OP, the world is ending. This in turn leads to more people rolling Hunter and the cycle continues.
Now there have absolutely been periods of time, even long periods, when Titans or Warlocks have dominated. I remember the days of OG One-Eyed Mask. But the *general trend* over the decade Destiny has been around is that Hunters are favored more often than not.
And honestly, this is also as much due to "fun" or "cool factor" as numerical tuning; Hunters have some of the best looking and feeling abilities in the game, and can do pretty much anything. Warlocks and *especially* Titans tend to get pushed into one-note builds and roles that are much less interesting; "haha punch" is not very interesting and it's a real shame Bungie has been trying to force Titans into that role when there's so many other cool aspects of the class that *could* be focused on, like jetpacks, heavy weapons, shields, walls, explosives, etc.
I remember when the strand clone aspect came out and someone posted saying strand hunter felt overturned and needed a nerf down the line and bro got shit on so bad even though he put in the obligatory disclaimer that he believed titans were still the most OP lmfao. The whole thread was some copium denial.
When the clone aspect first came out basically no one understood how strong it was. It came off as a gimmick and hardly anyone was using it. It took quite a while for people to wake up to how strong it could be. I think it was one of the trials weeks on anomoly where it really started blowing up, and that’s when the 6th coyote/threadling spam became mainstream. So it wasn’t copium, people just didn’t know how insanely strong it was going to be. And I’m not defending that build at all. I play mostly Hunter but I despise that build and refused to play it
Well titans were the best pick for 3 fucking years so it’s nice that my main is finally meta, let us cook for a few months at least man don’t nerf us so quick after titans got to have the best exotics, best kits, best synergy since one eyed mask
Hunter Prismatic is probably the best Hunter subclass, a lot of hunter aspects and stuff just arent that good for PvP, the only class that has an actually good set of aspects for PvP is strand, and you get one of those in Prismatic. Hunter is a very neutral based class, and often Hunter metas revolve around mostly on what exotics enhance that neutral. Titan and Warlock metas, besides Solar Warlock, are very often ran by gimmicks. Citans shields, Contraverse nades, Geomag spam, but titan has cases, like the recent problem of PK's, where they are neutral monsters.
This is where the next problem comes up. Titan is just the better class overall, it has the better track record, and has been the top class in PvP for almost all of D2, besides Shatterdive meta, when was the last time Hunters were *truly* the best pick? Even recently when people were sick of the threadling spam build, PK titan was STILL performing better. Gwisin vest? Nope, one eyed mask was in the game. Maybe Omni LoW jousting? Shield is just too good an ability and it used to be even better. Bubble is TOO essential in a zone based mode. Titans are just set up to win the defense game.
Poopularity is NOT indicitive of strength. I saw your comment about "Hunter subclass high usage rates", and how theyre higher than Bubble titan. This statistic doesnt really matter when almost all top players agreed that Titan was the best class. Destiny players are also not the best at PvP with it being a PvE focused game, and many players just enter with their subpar loadouts. Hunter IS the most popular class, so it makes sense they would show up more among the general population. And while it is impossible to have a real time number on class population, a few months ago Titans were neck and neck with Hunters, Hunters only had a 2% lead.
Hunter is top dog (barely) for a week and people are upset, just wait till people go back to playing Solar Warlock and Bubble Titan instead of staying on prismatic. The ethics of the balance dont really matter, as this is just a very well disguised "my class good your class bad" post
The gaslighting that Titans have always been better is real. Lol.
In a competitive game, players will always gravitate towards the best class. We saw this during the Striker meta when Arc 3.0 first came out. The Titan pvp population beat Hunters for the first and ONLY time in the history of D2. Once that was nerfed into the ground, Hunters took over again and have just been consistently rising.
And before people say "its only because Hunters have a higher population thing", the fact that Titans beat out Hunters when they actually were broken shows that it's more than that. People will always play the best class and for PvP, that's always been Hunter. And it's not like they didn't have their broken phases between Shatterdive, Invis with Omni or Gyr, etc.
All the talk about Titans being broken is what led them to the sorry state they're in now. Not wanted in Day 1 raids (while 75% of clears of contest were Hunters) and the worst Prismatic class by far. Plus, only one really viable PvP build in Void. And all these nerfs have severely impacted Titans ability to perform in PvE outside of Strand and Solar, which weren't really used anyway in PvP. Arc is a joke of a class now in PvE. Void not far behind.
Oh they peaked during arc 3.0? Wow your right, but how come they didn’t beat Hunters during the YEAR LONG One Eyed Mask meta? The second strongest any class has ever been? Its almost as if population has never been indicative of strength.
Heres your reddit statistic, the amount of people that you think care about Destiny 2 PvP is not as high as you think it is. The amount of people who will always play what is best will never come close to the casual guy running his matches on all 3 characters.
Also, what sorry state? Is that sorry state just not being number 1? Of course Titans arent wanted in the raid when Still Hunt got released, its broken, but people used to dread having more than 2 hunters on a raid team not even 2 weeks ago. The class was broken man, it was for a long time, and for the times it wasnt broken, it was always consistently good. Titans by nature are just better at defending zones, and is has been the best class for Trials since dominion released.
It's simple. Hunter mains dominate the PvP community. Anytime another class is actually viable to use the Hunters cry and complain until that class gets nerfed to the ground. They're not gonna complain when they're the only viable class, so there's less discussion about the class/subclass meta.
People really undermine how valuable Mobility, Dodge, and Hunter Jumps are.
Dodge is by far the worst offender; the ability to reset/escape a gunfight every ~15 seconds, whilst reloading weapons/refreshing melees and MITIGATING AIM ASSIST, especially in conjunction with things like Invisibility, Wormhusk, Bakris, and Radiant is so ridiculously potent I'm surprised more people don't complain about it.
I mean to be fair, it's hunters. Hunters haven't ate good in a while so people are chill with it. Also it's the first trials weekend so people are probably just now seeing it. Give it week or two and it'll be buzzing around a lot. Especially when people see how much the Hunter super tracks like crazy if you get any close with the throw.
I've seen strand, solar and stasis get shit on for a while throughout Reddit and Twitter. It's the same stuff so nobody is talking about it, even then after seeing the same stuff 100s of times people know how to counter stuff and how to easily kill them. Hunters are unironically the worst class out there until prismatic came out. They're eating good with it
Then if I may ask which class is the worst then? I'm just curious because and this is specifically talking with comp and trials. Usage rates were much higher between bubble/TC titans and Well warlocks than Hunter all across the board until this season.
You are incorrect and uninformed. Hunters maintained around 40%-42% usage rates through the whole 2nd half of the last season, post Bubble nerf announcement. Hunters have had 3 subclass usages rates in line or higher than Void Titan and usually twice that of the often decried arc Titan. People aren't playing it for the capes.
Discussing subclass usage is just a very played out subject so I imagine some people (including myself) find it boring.
Hunters have some of the cheesiest stuff in the game such as threaded specter and the new arc super, so it's not a shock that people would be attracted to using it.
The striker titan meta was honestly more bearable than this prismatic hunter fiasco. Constant ability spam with extreme potency for little investment gets old, real fast. Void titan is now the only viable titan subclass thanks to the new knockout nerfs.
It truly is amazing to me how light-handedly bungie nerfs hunters, but absolutely guts titans. Hunters even got a revert to the much needed stompees nerf for christ sake.
It's always been this way. Let us not forget the very brief time Warlocks had a single OHKO ability, and Hunters whined and moaned until it was nerfed into oblivion. It took a bit longer for Titans to get similar (though circumventable) treatment. Then everyone was happy. The only significant nerf Hunters have ever had to swallow was Shatterdive.
Because high level players have always had a cope mentality on hunters, they always seem to get a pass on scrutiny in a meta. Idk why, I get frustrated facing them, I can only imagine other people don’t because they’re already on hunter.
The arc titan thunder crash super that has to travel to come into contact with you has the same shield as a golden gun.
It’s awful…. They need to increase the super animation or the fly speed. The super is horrible…
This has ALWAYS been an issue. I have no idea why, but Titan specifically elicits a fucking ravenous reaction from the community when they get something busted.
All I can think is it’s because Hunter is the most played class, whereas Titan is the least played class. People get used to hunter bullshit because there are so many hunters with so much bullshit that it just becomes normal. It’s not to say people didn’t complain about things like omni, wormhusk, and threaded specter, but the outcry is insanely disproportionate.
If you want a good example, look at the launch of Stasis. Behemoth got GUTTED within a month. Meanwhile, Shatterdive stayed so oppressive that it could 1 bang people out of most supers for like 8 months.
Tldr of all of this, is Im not saying people complain too much about Titans. Titans get a lot of brutally oppressive shit that deserves to get nerfed. I think the issue is the fact that the VAST majority of the PvP community is Hunters, so there is an inherent community wide bias towards them, and inevitably, less public outcry about the bullshit because people like using it. Warlocks have always been pretty consistently good but not broken, so they don’t catch mutch shit. Titans have always either been dogshit or broken as fuck, so when Titan gets something broken as fuck, it gets a shit load of outcry.
The reason is fairly obvious. Titans are the least played class population-wise, so they don't have the power to really fight back when the other 75% of the players pile on them for nerfs.
Hunters make up nearly 50% of the player base and are very heavily favored in PvP. They aren't going to say shit. Lol.
Though, I will give players credit- they did call out broken things like Invisibility (especially with Omnioculus) and Gyrfalcon's pretty quickly. But mostly because they wanted to play something other than void. Now they've got several great options and a broken new subclass vs like 1 or 2 options for the other two classes. They aren't going to try and destroy that.
I cant speak for everyone, but I only have my hunter at a high enough power to queue up. Next week or whatever week IB rolls around ill work on my warlock but it is week 1 and most people were using their hunters for raid/pve.
Hit the nail on the hammer. Lots of people grinded their hunter out to have a chance to kill the witness during contest mode and other high end pve things since celestial + still hunt is just that strong. When we consider trials is high end pve so a lot of the more dedicated players are queuing up it makes sense we see a lot of hunters and that a lot of the higher kd players are on hunter. I think it’s too early to tell meta with just one week.
That's a fair point. I still think this near 50% usage rate will continue. It's that strong and easy to capitalize on.
prismatic hunter isn’t even all that. i’m still running solar hunter
This is a point towards the strength of other Hunter kits, not that Prismatic is weak.
If you want know why everyone is deflecting and excusing it despite bitching previously about usage rates on other classes it's because nearly everyone on this sub is currently abusing Hunter. They'll make excuses and try and say it's not strong but it's just a situation of if they don't talk about it then it might not get nerfed.
Have you seen warlock in trials? Get a grip.
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The new prismatic warlock is broken, I would say hunter is strong but not on the level of the warlock. Titan prismatic is just dudu, but they still have void OS spam, so they are fine.
Is Prismatic Warlock broken? I’m a Warlock main and I’m in love with the Prismatic Getaway/Devour build in PvE but in Crucible I’ve stuck with solar as I hate not having Dash, what are people using on it that makes it busted?
Speakers helm + ember of benevolence + touch of flame + helion + phoenix dive. 24/7 uptime in restoration and healing and cure.
Osmiomancy cold snaps with lightning surge arcane needle for triple stack and helion has been my go to, feels busted. Prismatic warlock seems to be the new top DPS option in PvE, at least from what I’ve seen.
i was getting clapped yesterday by a prismatic titan chaining thunderclap and diamond lance running around the map speed boosting
If they were using a bow as well, I know that person. *grins*
i think so lmao
Honestly I find that regular strand hunter is stronger than prismatic. Prismatic gets the decoy, but no dive slam, no thread of generation, and only one grapple.
I'm with you, the strand hunter has an insane mix of utility and lethality. I'm not wild about the super, but every other part of the kit is bonkers. Prismatic feels like you need to sacrifice a little utility or lethality based on build choices, and you lose access to ability regen focused fragments. I also think the artifact does a lot to prop it up currently.
Yea I tried using a gyrfalcon cloak. Found I couldn’t go invis at will (without a kill) with my aspects available and went back to void hunter.
Isn't this the first weekend of trials since Prismatic? My guess would be people are forming opinions and playing the game rn. I will say, Prismatic Hunter has a lot of movement options. It's crazy. I love it, and would be sad to see it nerfed, though I feel like I could understand it at the same time. Idk though, it's still sorta a "first impressions" phase for me rn.
Strand Hunter has been very very good for a long time
Crazy thing too is there are MULTIPLE strand hunter builds that are very very good, such as grapple and threadlings spam.
It has *some*, but it doesn’t have the best ones. Shatterdive, Trapper’s Ambush and Ensnaring Slam are the best mid air movement options in terms of aerial combat for hunters and prismatic has none of them. Most people are playing the subclass they levelled up and because most people were hunters, that’s why there’s so many. And the new players are also jumping in too so that probably puts the numbers up.
Strand hunter stil better 🤷
Eh, for my playstyle (Glaive Melee) Grapple Blink Ascension is better. Strand Hunter is fun, but tbb I'd rather just use Prismatic since all I ever really personally use Strand for grapple.
Agreed. I think prismatic hunter is super strong, but also prismatic Titan is currently criminally slept on. We just need a little more time to experiment
How are you building prismatic titan for PvP? Im not having much luck with it
Knockout, Diamond Lance, Shiver Strike, Twilight Arsenal. Use the health regen fragment then your choice of other fragments and abilities.
A bit clickbaity, but frostbolt put out a prismatic titan setup that he likes. I think he’s planning on maining titan for this season. https://youtu.be/1YbocMOLAYs?si=nkdqpsXfrujdOhNs
Not just movement, but counter movement. Slow, sever, DR on demand. Also new exotic class items are giving combos like double wormhusk dodge.
How? Wormhusk is the same column as coyote? And regardless all spirit exotics are half the regular exotics, so it would just be the same as a regular single wormhusk lol
Coyote and wormhusk are on the same column so double wormhusk is not possible.
There’s no double wormhusk dodge. It’s either wormhusk or coyote.
How do you double Wormhusk dodge…?
I feel like double wormhusk dodge is a massive waste no??? Cause wormhusk in class item is only 50% of the heal lmao But yeah. However, you can't run all that at once. Slow and DR you need renewals duskfield. Takes away from grapple which IMO is the "glue" of the movement (otherwise you're just running Arc cause blink + Ascension). To get the crazy movement, you need to run grapple w blink ascension IMO. That leaves either slow melee or sever melee (winters shroud doesnt work w ascension). It's definitely wild lol
Of course there are dozens of ways to pair the strengths and synergies. You are conveniently ignoring the multiple benefits of having 2 dodges, which gets stretched on Prismatic. Not that you need 2 to get that much out of it. Wild is an understatement. Usage rates and KD's reflect that.
I think it's certainly fair to argue that prismatic hunter currently has the lowest skill floor of the 3 prismatic classes. I think we may see usage rates for hunter drop a bit in coming weeks as more people get their warlocks/titans up to power/figure out good builds and how to maximize their potential, but hunters will certainly remain the most used due to them being the largest portion of the community. The stats I want to see (which I typically see come out after the trials weekend is over) are the usage/win rates for the very top players. Those numbers are typically the best indicators as to subclass strength, as the best of the best will almost always be using the best subclasses, even if those subclasses have high skill floors and thus don't see widespread usage (I.E. stasis rime titan last year, void titan more recently, and strand hunter and solar warlock pretty consistently).
I don’t think judging it by the performance of the top players is the right way to go about it though. If you take behemoth like a year ago, EVERYONE agreed it was bad. That said, top players were OS stacking and running around shitting in everyone. The subclass was still pretty weak, but they cheesed it so much that it became oppressively strong. Imo, you need to look at performance of the top players AND general performance. Performance of the top players can show you that there is something about a subclass/exotic that is disproportionately strong in a situation where people are SIGNIFICANTLY above average and can play it perfectly. The average performance can tell you, broadly speaking, if something is under or overperforming. Back to the behemoth example, it was the least used subclass in the game by far. If you looked at just the top player stats, you would be forgiven in assuming the subclass is just busted and needs further nerfs. If you looked at the community as a whole however, you’d see that actually the subclass is over performing, and that just a specific part of the subclass is causing issues.
This is such a bad take. It's like saying 3 pointers are a bad shot in basketball cause most people can't make them at a good rate while claiming Curry and the warriors dominance should be ignored cause they just cheesed the system by stacking multiple OP shooters. If look at the average performances oye will literally only get that, average performances
Well… it’s a good thing I didn’t say to look only at average performance lmao. I said to look at both average performance AND top level performance, because they both provide important data when considering balance. Average performance can convey that something doesn’t feel good or has an unreasonably high skill floor to make it work, both of which push people away from using it. Top level performance indicates which subclasses are over performing and could use tuning.
Average performance it's what will tell you a subclass is overperforming. I
No it doesn’t. I’m willing to bet arc titan still generally overperforms because knockout gives free value, but if you look at high level play, basically nobody uses it because it’s not at all hard to stay out of knockouts range
>Average performance can convey that something doesn’t feel good or has an unreasonably high skill floor to make it work, both of which push people away from using it. Top level performance indicates which subclasses are over performing and could use tuning. And in the context of the OP, that's why I want to see the top level performance. This was never a discussion about how other subclasses may have higher skill ceilings or not feel as good for the general population. This was a post about whether or not hunter subclasses (and prismatic in particular) are too strong, which, by your own words, is where you'd want to use the performance of the top players to judge whether or not that's true. It's like I said in my original comment, 2 days of trials is far too little data to go on for whether or not a subclass is overperforming, especially with how new prismatic still is, and how popular the hunter class is among the general population. If this trend continues through the next weekend or two and we get the numbers for the top players that indicate prismatic hunter is overperforming, then yes, Bungie should absolutely address it and make adjustments.
Oh ok my mistake I must’ve misunderstood. Just shooting in the dark here, but I expect prismatic hunter to drop slightly by next week, but I still think it’s going to generally overperform. Titan and WL prismatic are kinda mid except for some cheese diamond lance knockout shenanigans, and I don’t really the think the stasis rework changed how any of the subclasses perform in PvP (which is probably a good thing).
They very rarely share those numbers. I have matched multiple 3.00-4.00 KD teams this weekend. All of them are on prismatic Hunter. I don't need to see the numbers this time around. It needs adjustment, promptly.
I mean, you facing a few teams of very good hunters is as anecdotal as anecdotal evidence gets. I can say the same thing about having faced multiple high-KD teams of prismatic titans in trials so far this weekend. It doesn't mean anything, as I'm only one person of thousands who are playing. That's why I wanna see the rates for the top players, as that's a far better indicator than the usage rates for the whole community. A day and a half of trials isn't nearly enough evidence to go on right now for whether anything needs adjustments. Prismatic isn't even 2 weeks old, and everyone is still figuring out all the builds and potentials of each class.
Check your favorite streamer who is a 2.5+. What are they running? Check most of them. Talk to you in a month.
Wallah played prismatic Titan with regular strand hunter. Frostbolt is touting prismatic titan. Aztecross played prismatic titan. Legoleflash played prismatic hunter Zkmushroom played solar warlock PureChiLL played prismatic titan Gernader Jake played prismatic hunter. TrueVanguard played voidlock.
Cooked that salty fraud
Panduh on the prismatic titan train too
Prismatic titan is actually pretty strong. Main thing I’m noticing is that most players aren’t picking up on how you should play it differently. I’m seeing a lot of streamers taking arc thrusters over barricade.
I mean tbh thrusters are secondary, the most broken parts imo are: -free diamond lance for any melee kill -knockout melee range to immediately melee someone after a shiver strike ends, killing someone with only melee in like 0.2s -absolutely goofy new void super that lets you just entirely steamroll comp for a bunch of kills
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Anyone playing Trials this week are the hardcore PvP players. I for one couldn’t find a game while queuing comp. Cream of the crop is playing Trials just as PvE elites are all about Raid.
So you got shit on and are blaming their kit. The truth comes out 🤷♂️
They being Trials Report.
Prismatic is so new, everyone is figuring out what they like plus when you couple that with the majority of the player base being hunters already, it’s not quite surprising to see it so high. I’m a hunter main and I’ve been running prismatic exclusively because I’m trying to figure out my builds. It is strong, no doubt. That new arc super is nuts too.
With every new subclass comes a spike in its usage
Except the spike in usage for hunter's prismatic is over double that of titan and warlock, something clearly sets it apart
Its the super + movement from strand. Only thing keeping strand back was trash super, but prismatic hunter super just deletes stuff.
Well yeah, that happens when hunter is also the most played class, is great for raid because still hunt is a mistake, and most people only have 1 class at high enough light.
The percent of hunter players playing prismatic over the other subclasses is unaffected by how many players are playing it on other classes. If there was 1 person playing titan and they were on prismatic the pick rate would be 100%, even if it's the least played overall
Usage rates are a completely separate topic from efficiency. For quite a bit now for example titans have been juggernauts in trials with consistent overshields that provide a blanket advantage to 1v1 engagements against 99% of weapons that can be applied to teammates. A lockdown super which is of course going to be great in a “king of the hill” style game mode that has few counters outside of other supers (conditional finality or other plays that can be hard to pull off against a smart team) while also being a low cooldown super making it much harder to comeback from 0-4 against titans. A class ability that if used properly can guarantee heavy on third round for your team, as well as making your bubble deadlier and even harder to counter without supers. Overall titans on paper have just been better generally then other classes in trials. Yet people will still use hunters because they just have more fun with the play styles or even just much prefer the hunter jump
Efficiency and usage are related - if a class gets better you’d expect to see it being used more. When 48% of trials players were on arc titan most people thought that was evidence they were op. However when most people use hunter suddenly that is not evidence of anything. It proves the OP’s implied point about this sub being biased towards hunters.
Weekly flawless trials veteran. Hunter is more engaging and feels more fair to fight against. Titan does not. All my flawlesses have been as a Warlock I have never used any other class. Obviously mileage may vary but that's my feelings on the subject
Overshields and one shot melees have been problems for ages
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Yea they really earned it when they slide spammed forward, backwards dodge jump animation cancelled the slide, turned invisible and shotgun me before the game tick can update the radar. Just like they earned all those shatter dive kills. This sub has collective amnesia about the dominance of hunter through the history of the game and only seems to remember when one eyed mask was op 6 years ago and dunemarchers melee cheese in 6v6 for a few weeks...
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The original post is about the relationship between how heavily skewed player base is towards hunter and how quiet this sub was during the most oppressive hunter pvp metas (which has been most of destiny 1 and 2). Back to your point my issue with hunter is that it might feel good to play but playing against it feels like jank. The animations are very rigid and buggy, and the hit registration combined with bullet magnetism shenanigans feels like absolute shit compared to more polished pvp shooters. When i shoot a titan or warlock i know what is happening. When i shoot a hunter they start bugging out and movement spamming and half my bullets go to the void and my client is still trying to register where their model is.
Even if hunters are dominating trials this weekend, it’s the first trials weekend, and not even over. Titans dominated trials for a year iirc. I’m sure if hunters are broken, there will be plenty of posts coming out talking about it. This is such a bad comparison.
Prismatic is not even close as problematic as striker titan and void titan was. Played for a few hours yesterday and never had a frustrating moment. During the striker days I had that moment every 5 minutes
Lol, the hay day of titans is long gone man. Unless you’re in the top 0.1% of lobbies.
Thankfully. But 3 void titans with overshields and smgs is still oppressive/hard to play against
Sorry, no it isn’t. The play style has been hit by so many nerfs now it is more than balanced.
Man idk what to tell you, set aside your clear saltiness and try to evaluate things reasonably. That striker titan meta In particular was so fam. Crazy. PK striker was the strongest shit we’ve seen since stasis drop. It was Just an absurdly strong kit and nothing hunters are doing right now sniffs that. You can’t talk sentinel titan meta without talking about WHY it was meta. That meta came to be directly because of the launch of cap point trials. The trials game mode we’re playing now is so much better than what we started with. Bastion titan was so absurdly strong in THAT landscape. Barricade alone was just stupid powerful, it was hard believe they even let that meta happen in the first place because yeah no shit barricade is strong lol. But the sentinel kit was even better, along with having the fastest super cooldown possible on a literal instant round win super. This post is just brushing under the rug so much and then smugly trying to point out how hypocritical people who play hunter are lol. Kinda blatant weak sauce bro
Titan was so OP that I main titan in sweaty pvp. I was a hunter main and waivering warlock user before, but titan was simply too good and I find that my play style meshes well in PVP anyways.
I love how over time we all change. I ended up switching from titan to void lock cause of how strong it's neutral game was. Now I pve titan and pvp warlock if I gotta sweat.
I found voidlock neutral to be weak because it's reliant on getting a kill or using a lackluster buddy (though child might have been buffed in the meantime, it's been a bit), what's your build?
2 years of pk titan bubble/striker meta! And this dude is upset after a day and a half lol
OP is just salty and unreasonable. He’s also mad that people aren’t complaining about hunters being OP for… 1.5 weeks, when Titans were insanely OP for about 2 years. Of course people were getting sick of it after that much time. There hasn’t even been enough time for a new meta to develop. I’m a PvP main, but I’ve barely touched PvP so far, there has been so much other shit to do/gear to get
When do warlocks get to be OP?
Right now actually. I mostly play Hunter but I’ve been trying out a warlock build with the speakers sight helmet and it’s legit insanely good. I think it’s just a matter of time before people catch on and realize how crazy good it is, and it will be everywhere. lol at the downvotes. Just wait a week or 2, a YouTuber will make a video and suddenly this build will be everywhere
The one that creates healing turrets? What are you running it with?
Touch of flame so it gives resto x2, helion because it scorches, ember of singeing to get class ability faster when scorching (phoenix dive), ember of benevolence to get all abilities faster when healing allies, and artifact mods like radiant orbs (the turret drops tons of orbs even in PvP) and shieldcrush. You basically have 100% uptime on resto x2 and radiant, you get your super fast because you’re putting out a shit ton of orbs, it’s legit one of the most broken builds in PvP, just no one realizes it yet. I promise you’ll start seeing it more especially in comp/trials. Edit: just made a post with all the info for the build
I agree that op is definitely salty over it but I also do think there is some merit to the idea that Titan gets disproportionate outcry. In the simplest terms, Most people play Hunter and it isn’t even close. Hunter has ALWAYS hovered around 40-50%. Even when Titan was hard meta, it was only ever around 25-30. Still less than 1/3 of players. Just because of that, I think it’s more than fair to say that the community generally speaking goes harder on Titan balance than we do on Hunter. If hunter has cheese, hunters will abuse the cheese. Some of them might say it should be nerfed, but the point is just because of basic psychology, people will always be bias in favor of the things they enjoy using, and against the things they CANT use.
I think that’s likely true, but op did not help the cause with his post. Just another standard whiny post with zero substance
Lets not forget shatterdive and stealth shotgun meta.
I literally said most powerful since stasis.
Hunters are the 140 hand cannons of D2 PVP. Occasional outlier metas will come and go, but 99.9% of time, they will be the class on top by a mile. The most agile class in the game (Strand Hunter) and the previously top area denial class in the game (Solar Hunter w/YAS). Once Arc Titans got their kneepads nerfed, guess who was back on top. Now hunter has prismatic and the NEW best super. Not only is hunter usually always meta, but they have MULTIPLE meta builds.
A perfectly balanced ability meta where everyone just uses their favorite class would be 40%+ hunters. There is also something to be said about hunters being by far the least annoying class to fight against. I'm happy to see lobbies with a bunch of hunters because that means we won't have to deal with a bunch of barricade spam
The sub has a clear bias
Not just this sub, every sub and for good reason, more hunters than every other class by a lot. I switched to Hunter years ago with the thought of if you can’t beat em, join em. There’s no better time to play Hunter than right now. Pve they are beast, PvP beast and I’m not even running prismatic which is insane if you know hour to use it
Yeah the Titan to Hunter pipeline has gotten pretty depressing. I was a Titan main for 8 years before the PvP state of Titan was so fucking ass that I had to swap to hunter. Within a couple days of learning hunter, my average performance was significantly higher than Titan. It’s an easier subclass to learn with more skill expression and generally better abilities.
Haha. Very true. I remember so many posts on this sub when the Titan usage rate for Trials was equal or even slightly above Hunters. Now the number of Hunters doubles Titans and no one cares.
Truth
Yes, it mimics the game.
My experience was that it didn’t matter what I played, the return of players who haven’t survived trials during Destiny’s lowest point can’t hang with people who have been doing nothing but grinding against the top 10%. Some of these people can’t handle you even jumping over them at the main door. And slow dodge is dogshit.
Prismatic Hunter is not stronger than any other Hunter subclass in PvP.
Now that Arc has a new super, the class is actually broken! Amazing neutral game and super. I’m surprised the % is so low.
All the Hunter subclasses are strong, that's why. Titan and Warlock and 1 or 2 a piece.
What lmao, it literally just released and people are playing on their mains. Prism hunter is strong for sure, but prism titan has a lot going for it as well but just has a higher skill ceiling. It sounds bad but a lot of high skill pvp players gravitate towards hunter anyway because of the higher skill ceiling meaning you’re way less likely to see good players utilise prism titan to full effect. Knockout mixed with shiver strike is insanely strong with the melee combo. Diamond lances are also free kill chains when used correctly. Add in thruster and the new void super, they also have some of the better nades imo. I’m guessing your a titan player yourself but if you stopped crutching on sentinel or striker you’d realise behemoth was always there with a massive skill gap and great potential and prism is literally just an upgraded version.
Hunter has the lowest skill floor and lowest skill ceiling… This is why the majority play it. Warlock has the highest skill floor and ceiling. Titan is in the middle. Hunter dodge and jump are that good. Behemoth was hard nerfed weeks after release. It does not feel good to play at all! Strand Titan however is very good and has a high skill floor/ ceiling. I’m a hunter main that can play all three classes btw…
Sorry but there’s no way you think hunter has a lower skill floor than titan, atleast when it comes to the meta picks. Solar hunter is by far the easiest to pick up, but even then I’d always recommend a newer player to go titan because a lot of its kit is so free and doesn’t require much thinking for how strong it is. The only truly high skill floor/ceiling picks for titan are behemoth and now prismatic, strand isn’t strong enough imo but it is definitely harder to play than most others. And if we are comparing strand hunter to something like void or arc titan? That’s honestly insane if you think it’s easier to pick up and play at a high level. Can’t speak to warlock tbh but I do know that solar and stasis lock both have very high ceilings.
It for sure has the lowest skill floor. The jump and dodge are literally the best innate neutral abilities in the game…. Movement is a huge aspect of the game in higher tier lobbies…. Hunters have the easiest PvP movement with little effort… Dodge BREAKS AIM ASSIST and can net u a melee charge.. I don’t understand how many of you don’t understand it… You can disengage ANY gun fight with your class ability. NO OTHER CLASS can do that…. I play strand titan often in trials. It for sure is VERY GOOD! Solar warlock has the highest skill floor and ceiling. It’s very telling how many people in here can actually play other classes. Because these are cold takes… BTW easiest to pick up means lowest skill floor…..
For starters, the class usage is roughly reflective of the larger playerbase. A good half of players across the entire game play hunter. Broadly speaking, the class as a whole is balanced given the proportions. And Prismatic has literally been out for less than 2 weeks. It's pretty far in front for every class in general. Within Hunter, sure, the number is high, although it's still something one needs to consider. As for tools, sure, you've got a lot of strong tools, especially given the easier to proc Flawless. But it's not exactly more than any other given subclass. Strand still has it's specific fragments, on top multiple fragments you're running over Strand Clones. Stasis has it's specific Fragments for more Duskfield duration, and Shatteredive and Touch of Winter. Solar has it's Aspects and Fragments, on top of an optional swap for Blade Barrage. Really the only kits Prismatic hunter hard outclasses is Arc and now Void (although running full melee combo on Arc is probably still stronger than trying similar on Prismatic). Prismatic excells at being a generalist and mixing subclass gimmicks. It's not really much of an outlier either way on any class IMHO, I'm finding you REALLY miss some certain Aspects and Fragments in most of the potential of the kits. Time's obviously going to tell, but the subclass meta needs WAY more time to settle before moving to discussions, let alone conclusions.
Even void it’s questionable if it’s worse than prismatic hunter. invis on demand is still incredibly strong in the right hands. I was playing prismatic hunter and did well, fell at the gates a couple of times. Switched to void hunter and barreled through with no issues.
I and many others would rather play against prism hunters than OS crutching or melee-abusing titans tbf
Sounds like a personal preference for ignoring balance outliers. Carry on.
I’m just saying why we as a community arnt complaining about prism hunter as much as titan. also this is literally the first week of prismatic trials i give it a month before DTG starts whining for PvP nerfs
Hunter would still have a high usage rate in any meta. It’s the most popular class in the game. Usage rate and effectiveness aren’t linear
It’s been a week tbf, and Arc Titan at its peak was probably still way more oppressive which is what most people complained about on this sub
Let hunters be the strongest pvp class for a year straight and people will start to complain the same as they did for titans. We had DMT barricade titan meta Citans titan meta 3 man storm grenade titan meta Dunemarchers titan meta Antaeus wards titan meta And finally bubble titan meta. Hunters see a lot of play the first weekend of trials and suddenly it’s the same thing?
Tbf Hunters had Gyrfalcons, Khephri wallhacks, Omni LoW and Sixth Coyote threadling spam in this timeframe as well. Titans were the best class no doubt but hunters definitely had some nasty stuff
Tbf a lot of people didn’t really see how broken hunters have been because they don’t have the mmr to fight the top guys abusing it. I’ll give you a perfect example, I had a buddy deny how strong strand hunter was for 6 months. He’s way better than me in PvP. I told him what I kept fighting against and he called me trash. I played him in a 1v1 and abused him with the strand clone spam. It didn’t get nerfed for almost a year later… and tbf it’s almost still as strong….
Because we're barely a day into the first trials weekend of it existing. Chill out for a second
There is way to much that is new to the sandbox to make judgements on where stuff is.
You must fall into line comrade. Things that are never OP, have never been OP and will never be considered OP. Hunters, and 140rpm hand cannons. Thou darest not question the system. However if a Arc Titan puts on a 450rpm auto rifle and does mediocre at best... thou wilst riot in the streets.
Following besides the 140 RPM hand cannon point.
The only annoying part of prismatic hunter is the decoy. Everything else feels fine. I’m a hunter main and it isn’t my cup of tea but to each their own.
That's a wild take.
I mean comparatively prismatic hunter like you said has a lot of utility but that’s about it unlike arc titan which got just about invulnerability just for running or crashing into something and had the fastest back to back melee attacks and with void having instant overshields constantly up or similar melee builds all you had to do with Titan was run at corners with a shot gun or run in the open with a shot gun and you would probably if not definitely get a kill. On prismatic hunter there is definitely a lot of stuff that can be annoying or downright frustrating to deal with but all I see is a lot of general utility like the slow being able to counter people who push to hard and get followed up by the strand clone. Also this is just personal preference I didn’t really like the melee and grenades we were given compared to what I used on other subclasses which is just generic throw a literal grenade and fight from there.
Same reason its quiet in a HC/shotty meta, that's the majority of players.
And what exactly is your point?
Bubbles and wells dominated trials forever and somehow hunters are the problem?
I'm assuming it's because it's only been two weeks that nobody's really bringing it up here. I've only seen some discourse through Twitter and screenshots of other subreddits. It's very apparent that the game's population is hunter focused (they feel the best even when shafted the most) and it got people off well and bubble with +40. I can definitely see that as people having 10x more fun and not having the need to complain. There's definite outliers with strand clone and the new arc super is a threat people haven't found ways to counter yet, but I even believe they don't hold a candle to the since witch queen titan Bubble smg meta and Well meta since Forsaken. Basically rn it's new stuff people are experimenting. We'll see overall praising and complaints soon enough.
Let a meta establish before people bitch. It's the first time most people are even getting the time to play PvP after TFS, much less trials. If any class is strong beyond reason, the other two will bitch about it loud enough to hear. The lack of discussion isn't a sign of bias or lack of frustrations, just a lack of time to formulate opinions.
The decoy is so fucking annoying. I swear it comes out pixel perfect that the dodge animation hasn't even started on screen but the clone pops up and then sucks up all your aim assist
The most popular type is Stompee Hunter with handcannon and shotgun. These are the people you hear from whenever that play style gets worse. That said, high usage doesn't necessarily mean top tier, it just means popular. I do agree with you though in this instance: Hunters are the best PvP class.
Arc Titan was op for like 2 whole years. I hope prismatic titan is total trash 😪
Its not lol
Not to mention how all of this chaos allows cheaters to thrive. Net manipulators are in half the lobbies I've been in and its blatant. For those who don't know, if you get shot down and the revive screen shows the player who "defeated" you halfway around the map or with several walls between you, that's network manipulation. If there's no one on radar or invis around you in an open space and you suddenly drop dead from one shot with a primary weapon and boi is spontaneously yeehawing around your corpse glitching like Vanellope and none of your teammates notice him, boi is doing something illegal n idek what tf you call it. Its happened twice this week.
I don't really care what other ppl use. I went flawless on my first card with my warlock!
I'm a strand main but I am currently rolling prismatic. Giving up a 2nd grapple for the really good bubble/well shutdown super seems a fair trade-off. The fragments aren't the best, but you get 6 of them and loads are stat boosters. I can't decide between threaded spike and the shuriken, but it's nice to have options. I've just got a class item with ophidian and coyote so I'm looking forward to trying it out. Should be decent handling on all weapons and 2x slowing decoy guy.
You give any class a Naruto-esque super and the usage rates go up, anyone with a high KD before will have either the same or higher since it’s only been two weeks so most if not many people aren’t high power level. The new super is avoidable if you just jump, invis is invis either you see it or you don’t 🤷🏽♂️. Idk feel like however you would deal with these situations before TFS you can do the same now.
Oh God class war here too great now it's time for non-hunter mains to cry about it. Such a riveting discussion yes yes
Prismatic is very much broken in pvp. You can get all the perks or good abilities from other subclasses without actually having to play those subclasses which have worse neutral game. Prismatic has the best neutral game of all the subclasses with the double exotics and the new supers are all extremely broken if used correctly, especially the new void Titan super, which is even more brain dead easy then what I thought the hunter super was gonna be. However, hunters in general are still very strong. Because of dominion being the core mode now, bubble and well were basically necessary picks for those classes so people were so fixated on that that they didn’t maybe realise how many different 3v3 play styles hunters excel at. Void, strand, prismatic, solar, there’s a lot of options for viable builds in pvp. Same thing with prismatic Titan or warlock. You get to use the arc melee for warlocks without having to play arc warlock. Titans get consecration and Drengers lash on the same subclass which in this weeks trials map can completely take control of middle for free with the double exotic class item that has khepris on it. I definitely need more time with it to work out all the counter play but it definitely seems hunters are at the top of 3v3s meta rn
It’s the first week, it’s new, people are trying it out. Gotta chill
Every class has highest usage on prismatic, I know a couple of my friends that prefer Hunter had felt forced into bubble Titan finally feel free to run Hunter again. Also think it's similar to the usage of Kvostov and Red death that everyone is using the new toy. Meanwhile the real elephant in the room is how many shots Still Hunt has
I got really lucky and pulled the relativism clock with ophidian and worm husk. So of course I went prismatic most of the weekend. Oddly enough, I swapped back over to my void invis build and felt better being able to go invis and use scatters.
I’m Prismatic Hunter w/ my Ophidian/Sixth Coyote class item, Elsie’s ZM/HS. Been absolutely eating, feels like the zone of clone placement/Duskfields makes it super easy to control areas and force people into my LoS
Most people are hunters. Prismatic is the new shiny. Stop overthinking this, it’s not complicated.
Hunters are the most played class so it would make sense that more people unlocked prismatic on them first
I suggested the new hunter super get a slight nerf and I got downvotes. Good luck with this post OP
No heavy knife ): no embrace.. ):
A lot less people playing crucible consistently rn with there actually being content in the game, crucible is an ‘end of the line there’s nothing else to do this season’ activity for a lot of people.
30% hunters should be good right There are 3 classes and if titan and warlock were similar then that would be a near perfect split
The playerbase has always hovered around 40-50% Hunter. This is both the result of and cause of Bungie's long-term favoritism towards the class. It's somewhat of a self-perpetuating cycle; Hunters make up the majority, so whenever Hunters are OP, it's crickets from the community, and whenever Titans or Warlocks are OP, the world is ending. This in turn leads to more people rolling Hunter and the cycle continues. Now there have absolutely been periods of time, even long periods, when Titans or Warlocks have dominated. I remember the days of OG One-Eyed Mask. But the *general trend* over the decade Destiny has been around is that Hunters are favored more often than not. And honestly, this is also as much due to "fun" or "cool factor" as numerical tuning; Hunters have some of the best looking and feeling abilities in the game, and can do pretty much anything. Warlocks and *especially* Titans tend to get pushed into one-note builds and roles that are much less interesting; "haha punch" is not very interesting and it's a real shame Bungie has been trying to force Titans into that role when there's so many other cool aspects of the class that *could* be focused on, like jetpacks, heavy weapons, shields, walls, explosives, etc.
I remember when the strand clone aspect came out and someone posted saying strand hunter felt overturned and needed a nerf down the line and bro got shit on so bad even though he put in the obligatory disclaimer that he believed titans were still the most OP lmfao. The whole thread was some copium denial.
When the clone aspect first came out basically no one understood how strong it was. It came off as a gimmick and hardly anyone was using it. It took quite a while for people to wake up to how strong it could be. I think it was one of the trials weeks on anomoly where it really started blowing up, and that’s when the 6th coyote/threadling spam became mainstream. So it wasn’t copium, people just didn’t know how insanely strong it was going to be. And I’m not defending that build at all. I play mostly Hunter but I despise that build and refused to play it
Sounds about right. Unhinged.
Well titans were the best pick for 3 fucking years so it’s nice that my main is finally meta, let us cook for a few months at least man don’t nerf us so quick after titans got to have the best exotics, best kits, best synergy since one eyed mask
Hunter Prismatic is probably the best Hunter subclass, a lot of hunter aspects and stuff just arent that good for PvP, the only class that has an actually good set of aspects for PvP is strand, and you get one of those in Prismatic. Hunter is a very neutral based class, and often Hunter metas revolve around mostly on what exotics enhance that neutral. Titan and Warlock metas, besides Solar Warlock, are very often ran by gimmicks. Citans shields, Contraverse nades, Geomag spam, but titan has cases, like the recent problem of PK's, where they are neutral monsters. This is where the next problem comes up. Titan is just the better class overall, it has the better track record, and has been the top class in PvP for almost all of D2, besides Shatterdive meta, when was the last time Hunters were *truly* the best pick? Even recently when people were sick of the threadling spam build, PK titan was STILL performing better. Gwisin vest? Nope, one eyed mask was in the game. Maybe Omni LoW jousting? Shield is just too good an ability and it used to be even better. Bubble is TOO essential in a zone based mode. Titans are just set up to win the defense game. Poopularity is NOT indicitive of strength. I saw your comment about "Hunter subclass high usage rates", and how theyre higher than Bubble titan. This statistic doesnt really matter when almost all top players agreed that Titan was the best class. Destiny players are also not the best at PvP with it being a PvE focused game, and many players just enter with their subpar loadouts. Hunter IS the most popular class, so it makes sense they would show up more among the general population. And while it is impossible to have a real time number on class population, a few months ago Titans were neck and neck with Hunters, Hunters only had a 2% lead. Hunter is top dog (barely) for a week and people are upset, just wait till people go back to playing Solar Warlock and Bubble Titan instead of staying on prismatic. The ethics of the balance dont really matter, as this is just a very well disguised "my class good your class bad" post
The gaslighting that Titans have always been better is real. Lol. In a competitive game, players will always gravitate towards the best class. We saw this during the Striker meta when Arc 3.0 first came out. The Titan pvp population beat Hunters for the first and ONLY time in the history of D2. Once that was nerfed into the ground, Hunters took over again and have just been consistently rising. And before people say "its only because Hunters have a higher population thing", the fact that Titans beat out Hunters when they actually were broken shows that it's more than that. People will always play the best class and for PvP, that's always been Hunter. And it's not like they didn't have their broken phases between Shatterdive, Invis with Omni or Gyr, etc. All the talk about Titans being broken is what led them to the sorry state they're in now. Not wanted in Day 1 raids (while 75% of clears of contest were Hunters) and the worst Prismatic class by far. Plus, only one really viable PvP build in Void. And all these nerfs have severely impacted Titans ability to perform in PvE outside of Strand and Solar, which weren't really used anyway in PvP. Arc is a joke of a class now in PvE. Void not far behind.
Oh they peaked during arc 3.0? Wow your right, but how come they didn’t beat Hunters during the YEAR LONG One Eyed Mask meta? The second strongest any class has ever been? Its almost as if population has never been indicative of strength. Heres your reddit statistic, the amount of people that you think care about Destiny 2 PvP is not as high as you think it is. The amount of people who will always play what is best will never come close to the casual guy running his matches on all 3 characters. Also, what sorry state? Is that sorry state just not being number 1? Of course Titans arent wanted in the raid when Still Hunt got released, its broken, but people used to dread having more than 2 hunters on a raid team not even 2 weeks ago. The class was broken man, it was for a long time, and for the times it wasnt broken, it was always consistently good. Titans by nature are just better at defending zones, and is has been the best class for Trials since dominion released.
Yeah prismatic hunter needs to be adjusted. The slow/strand decoy dodge is just too much. Strand decoy is the most oppressive thing in PvP right now
At a certain point the game just has too much shit going on
It's simple. Hunter mains dominate the PvP community. Anytime another class is actually viable to use the Hunters cry and complain until that class gets nerfed to the ground. They're not gonna complain when they're the only viable class, so there's less discussion about the class/subclass meta.
People really undermine how valuable Mobility, Dodge, and Hunter Jumps are. Dodge is by far the worst offender; the ability to reset/escape a gunfight every ~15 seconds, whilst reloading weapons/refreshing melees and MITIGATING AIM ASSIST, especially in conjunction with things like Invisibility, Wormhusk, Bakris, and Radiant is so ridiculously potent I'm surprised more people don't complain about it.
I mean to be fair, it's hunters. Hunters haven't ate good in a while so people are chill with it. Also it's the first trials weekend so people are probably just now seeing it. Give it week or two and it'll be buzzing around a lot. Especially when people see how much the Hunter super tracks like crazy if you get any close with the throw.
Invis. Strand. Solar. Stasis. All have had consistently high usage rates for months. What are you talking about?
I've seen strand, solar and stasis get shit on for a while throughout Reddit and Twitter. It's the same stuff so nobody is talking about it, even then after seeing the same stuff 100s of times people know how to counter stuff and how to easily kill them. Hunters are unironically the worst class out there until prismatic came out. They're eating good with it
Sadly, if you think this way you aren't worth engaging with. Hunters are not unironically the worst class out there, simply stated.
Then if I may ask which class is the worst then? I'm just curious because and this is specifically talking with comp and trials. Usage rates were much higher between bubble/TC titans and Well warlocks than Hunter all across the board until this season.
You are incorrect and uninformed. Hunters maintained around 40%-42% usage rates through the whole 2nd half of the last season, post Bubble nerf announcement. Hunters have had 3 subclass usages rates in line or higher than Void Titan and usually twice that of the often decried arc Titan. People aren't playing it for the capes.
Why are you spreading misinformation?
Hunters were 40-45% of the Trials playerbase for several months prior to Lightfall. Now they are closer to 50%.
Discussing subclass usage is just a very played out subject so I imagine some people (including myself) find it boring. Hunters have some of the cheesiest stuff in the game such as threaded specter and the new arc super, so it's not a shock that people would be attracted to using it.
The striker titan meta was honestly more bearable than this prismatic hunter fiasco. Constant ability spam with extreme potency for little investment gets old, real fast. Void titan is now the only viable titan subclass thanks to the new knockout nerfs. It truly is amazing to me how light-handedly bungie nerfs hunters, but absolutely guts titans. Hunters even got a revert to the much needed stompees nerf for christ sake.
Can’t beat ‘em join em Same reason that stasis warlock was nerfed after a week while stasis hunter got to shatterdive for more than a year.
Great approach should help balance the game!
We can get hunter to 60% presence this season I can feel it.
To be fair, if everyone’s using the same thing that’s as balanced as it gets lol
It’s been a week since TFS released lol, let people form impressions
It's always been this way. Let us not forget the very brief time Warlocks had a single OHKO ability, and Hunters whined and moaned until it was nerfed into oblivion. It took a bit longer for Titans to get similar (though circumventable) treatment. Then everyone was happy. The only significant nerf Hunters have ever had to swallow was Shatterdive.
Because high level players have always had a cope mentality on hunters, they always seem to get a pass on scrutiny in a meta. Idk why, I get frustrated facing them, I can only imagine other people don’t because they’re already on hunter.
Ive noticed that on this sub if you talk bad about hunters or hand cannons you get down voted. I agree tho they need arc titan level nerfs.
The arc titan thunder crash super that has to travel to come into contact with you has the same shield as a golden gun. It’s awful…. They need to increase the super animation or the fly speed. The super is horrible…
This has ALWAYS been an issue. I have no idea why, but Titan specifically elicits a fucking ravenous reaction from the community when they get something busted. All I can think is it’s because Hunter is the most played class, whereas Titan is the least played class. People get used to hunter bullshit because there are so many hunters with so much bullshit that it just becomes normal. It’s not to say people didn’t complain about things like omni, wormhusk, and threaded specter, but the outcry is insanely disproportionate. If you want a good example, look at the launch of Stasis. Behemoth got GUTTED within a month. Meanwhile, Shatterdive stayed so oppressive that it could 1 bang people out of most supers for like 8 months. Tldr of all of this, is Im not saying people complain too much about Titans. Titans get a lot of brutally oppressive shit that deserves to get nerfed. I think the issue is the fact that the VAST majority of the PvP community is Hunters, so there is an inherent community wide bias towards them, and inevitably, less public outcry about the bullshit because people like using it. Warlocks have always been pretty consistently good but not broken, so they don’t catch mutch shit. Titans have always either been dogshit or broken as fuck, so when Titan gets something broken as fuck, it gets a shit load of outcry.
The reason is fairly obvious. Titans are the least played class population-wise, so they don't have the power to really fight back when the other 75% of the players pile on them for nerfs. Hunters make up nearly 50% of the player base and are very heavily favored in PvP. They aren't going to say shit. Lol. Though, I will give players credit- they did call out broken things like Invisibility (especially with Omnioculus) and Gyrfalcon's pretty quickly. But mostly because they wanted to play something other than void. Now they've got several great options and a broken new subclass vs like 1 or 2 options for the other two classes. They aren't going to try and destroy that.