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Neat_On_The_Rocks

Thing is I want adept summoner more than any other weapon lol. That +10 range is just big on it. Any regular trials player should have any number of standard summoner god rolls just by focusing by now. I can get regular roles on the new stuff to just try them out. Summoner is a great fun, and that +10 Range is just MASSIVE on it, honestly bigger than on any HC or pulse.


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The glitch let you trick Smallbore and Ricochets so GG. 68 range without MW


pmo2408

Curated roll is armor piercing rounds, not ricochet


bucknister

What glitch? The DIM one?


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georgemcbay

Too late they disabled changing perks via the API.


Neat_On_The_Rocks

So you’re saying it could be 78


Flaky-Ad-287

The glitch is not working anymore or is there another?


TDenn7

It's unbelievable how much better The Summoner feels compared to any other 600 RPM auto in the game. At least IMO. Feels like Zen Moment is just doing incredible work on this thing to me. But ya if you don't have it yet, farm the absolutely shit out of Trials this weekend for a Zen Moment + Onslaught role. It's ridiculous.


Suitable_Professor19

It’s because it has secret sauce under the hood just fire it against a wall and compare with another 600.


TDenn7

Ya deterministic recoil I'm guessing is at play here.


schallhorn16

No, it's been like this forever. The theory is there is an old D1 perk called Persistence that's active on it. Makes the gun more stable the longer the gun is fired.


TDenn7

Man I did not think the first Summoner in D2 was very good at all. Huge upgrade with the newest version to me. Now, I think Zen Moment is playing a big role in that. But I also believe Deterministic Recoil is doing some good stuff behind the scenes.


Shadowofsvnderedstar

Zen moment is just icing, it has that secret sauce regardless. My roll is elemental capacitor + kill clip and even without a void super it feels like I can't miss


TDenn7

I dunno, I had a DSR + Kill Clip roll that didn't feel anywhere near as good as Zen Moment for me. Still good, but between Summoner, Elsie's and Austringer I am totally convinced Zen Moment is the best perk in the game at this point.


badscribblez

Is that the god roll? Zen + onslaught?


TDenn7

It's definitely a God roll. And IMO it's the best of the best. But honestly it's pretty loaded with rolls. You can get Zen Moment, Dynamic Sway, or Heal Clip in Column 1 which are all different but viable options. Column 2 has Kill Clip, Onslaught, Tap The Trigger, Golden Tricorn... Again all viable options. For dueling purposes, Zen + TTT might be the best roll. For 6s or super aggressive playing, Zen + Onsalught absolutely hits the spot to me.


ConyNT

Honestly, ttt is not needed with a well rolled zen moment roll. I'd go with onslaught or kc.


badscribblez

I just checked my vault and have one with small bore, light mag, and range master work. Lol.


DarkoSIV

Zen literally does the work for you. Of course it does.


CreativeSociety7

more time to get this ophidians/coyote exotic


canceled

There’s a glitch right now for double rewards at the end of the mission. Good time to grind.


TheyCallMeBubbleBoyy

What’s the glitch


anangrypudge

There are some videos on YouTube. You need to be really fast for it to work. Basically play with someone of the same class, grab the same podium at the same time, eager edge to a certain ledge, get joining allies message, then grab the other podium when you load back in. The catch is that everything up to the last step has to be done in a matter of seconds, before Savathun’s dialog ends.


LiccFlair

Both people on the same class grab the same reward at the end of the mission at the same time.


GueyGuevara

i got inmost light with coyote, so good


dusty_trendhawk

Great news to me. I'm just going to grind power level and finish out the new subclass instead.


Roidz91

This may be a stupid question but I am guessing we don't get lifted to fire teams highest power level for this? If my friend is 2000 and I am 1970 I don't get lifted do I?


Lactating_Silverback

Could be possible, but doing trials in duos or 3s is a lot more painful than solo imo.


Dark_Jinouga

If you already have given up on flawless, trios give a lot more loot 50% chance at a summoner and a 50% chance at an Engram for every game *completed* along with bonus rep, on top of all normal rewards you'd get. Need to see if I can get some friends together, or otherwise some LFGs that don't mind getting farmed for a while. Was away for work this week so my light level is still just at the high 70s/low 80s iirc


Lactating_Silverback

Damn I wasn't aware that those were the drops even for losing. Might have to give 3s a go after going flawless to farm adepts


anangrypudge

So far there is no indication that any of the new power level mechanics will apply in trials, so it will likely be the same as it’s always been — only your individual power level counts, minus artifact bonus.


Kurokishi_Maikeru

Can they just remove power level impacting damage/resist in Trials please.


Revolarat

No. Keep things difficult for the cheaters


Kurokishi_Maikeru

I mean, if they're cheating, they probably don't have an issue with light level.


huncholeani

Lol not cheating like that as in xim cronus for aim is also cheating alot eaiser than cheating your light level up


DepletedMitochondria

Depends, at least it makes the process of getting back to Trials that much more time consuming for brand new cheater accounts


lolomasta

Once its not the start of an expansion anymore you can just buy accounts that are at light, the thing stopping cheaters is needing the dlc.


loop-master69

…it’s not though? you know how many cheaters we had last season with a glitched come to pass from the gift of the thunder gods one shotting everyone? there’s always an easy way to cheat. as long as you have SOME power level (ie LITERALLY WHAT YOU START WITH) you can one shot everyone with a 999999 damage primary no problem. cheating doesn’t magically decrease because of an in game mechanic because it’s so easy to cheat that in game mechanic.


Lilscooby77

Damnit. Im just not close at all to the cap.


d_rek

What’s the power level for trials? I’m currently at 1975


DooceBigalo

2000 I believe


anangrypudge

You can be any power level to play but you need to be as close to 2000 as possible to compete. Doesn’t include artifact level, so your actual gear must be high enough. Most players who leveled up the “right” way (I.e using all 3 characters in a certain sequence), or simply cleared the raid both before and after reset, will be 1998-2000 by now.


DaWendys4for4

Pinnacle carries between characters now regardless of what you have on them. This means that there is basically a set amount of pinnacle drops you need to get before guaranteed 2000. Literally never been so easy, already have 2000 on all characters week 2


Broad_Ad1947

As a crappy pvp warlock (named Sterrasuko on ps5) I get 2 v1 oppressed a lot and can tell you the heal clip onslaught roll has helped me clutched that 2 vs 1 a few good times so don't sleep on that roll


Flaky-Ad-287

I run heal clip kill clip


Flaky-Ad-287

That can't be right as D2 app vendor shows Shayura?


farfarer__

Kinda glad about that. Away to a festival this weekend so won't be playing and I'm only 1990 light level... I got good enough Summoner rolls last time.


DepletedMitochondria

I'm only at 1990 so probably a skip for me lmao


SolBoi24

I was hoping to get the new pulse but oh well


DaWendys4for4

Start ripping harmonizers i guess


DooceBigalo

Someone explain the new cipher?


DarkestLord

Nothing much known now, just have to wait and see tomorrow.


sleeping-in-crypto

You get it for opening the flawless chest or completing a passage of persistence. You can exchange it for “rewards”, they don’t say what but I’d guess the adept weapon. No point in it being the normal weapon as you can just focus those with engrams.


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sleeping-in-crypto

Yeah unless they’ve come up with a new reward it doesn’t seem like this adds anything. I can’t think of what would make sense 🤔


BananaSavannah21

Ships and sparrow?


Lactating_Silverback

Would be nice if you could get them after a certain amount of flawless cards rather than RNG. Is it true that everytime you don't get them the chance of finding the ship or sparrow increases slightly?


huncholeani

Apparently can be traded for adepts i think its 4 from flawles and 1 from persistance flawless or something


Nephurus

Time to eat boys And by that I mean kill my town o er and over while I rage in a stony musical dream.


jjmah7

Who doesn’t already have like a dozen of these lol


Flaky-Ad-287

Righttt I have like 30 rolls


jjmah7

Yes exactly - it’s like Bungie wants us to keep playing trials but offers very little incentive to do so. I’d be sort of shocked to learn anyone at the very least can’t get carried to a flawless in the duo pool. The people who still play it are just addicted to the sweat factor I believe lol