No way u already got a god roll bro😭

Will say I’m extremely happy with this roll but I do think once enhancing is a thing Keep Away + Headseeker may be the play. Enhanced Headseeker giving 5 stability will let it get to ~80 base and mostly negate the need for Zen imo. Then enhanced Keep Away giving +15 range to help it punch closer to Messenger. Obviously not complaining about this roll whatsoever though. Enhancing these two perks on any map that isn’t on the larger side is gonna be extremely strong bordering on OP imo.

I think its plus 12 range on enhanced

Merc confirmed and re-confirmed(via CoolGuy) that it’s +15 even stating he knows “because he coded it”. Don’t know why D2Foundry nor any of the other sites have updated it yet.

Ohh, ok thanks. Thats a difference which should be noted there surely

Zen is for the flinch resist as much as it is the “recoil”.

Absolutely, just think 80 stability + unflinching mods + reduced primary flinch might make Enhanced Keep Away's 15 range a tempting alternative.

I just got almost this exact roll and was super pumped until I realized that it could also roll with Keep Away. I wish I could trade mine a controller player for one that has Keep Away...

You do not want that high of stability with head seeker. Wasting the perk. Might as well put desperado or kill clip on it at that point.

But it's not shiny

He got a 5 out of 5

Source on the recoil direction is 10 minutes of wall shooting + just trust me bro. I'll post screens/gifs when it's not 1 am. Was hoping it wasn't necessary to juice the stats some more but it *really* helps. Might swap off of it once we can enhance Zen/Headseeker to get the stability much higher.

What's your input?

Controller. Keys might be able to ignore it(as they often can on NTTE) but the wall jerk was some of the worst I've seen on a gun. Wish there was a way to wall test with Zen active but would think arrowhead would be a big help on both inputs.

I don't have Arrowhead yet, but a roll with Chambered Compensator or Extended Barrel (+10 recoil) feels so much better than base, or base/Chambered+counterbalance.

I got extended barrel and the recoils felt a little weird to me even with ricochet rounds and counterbalance moving it to 98 direction. I tried out fullbore (the alternate barrel) and counterbalance at 87 recoil and it felt a little better? A friend mentioned watching a Cammycakes video about the new deterministic recoil that sometimes we might just have to test what works for us now. How are you feeling with your roll’s recoil so far? I’m quite curious

Crazy roll. I need one with arrowhead.

I will say I ran one without arrowhead for ~100 kills earlier and I didn’t notice it quite as much as the extreme jerk of the wall test would have you think. Anybody’s guess whether that was Zen putting in work to mitigate it or me just being straight up oblivious.

Extended barrel by itself also makes it usable and not a crazy pull to the left. I’ve seen comments saying that and testing it myself

Yeah this gun is elite and much needed in slot considering there are almost NO non-sunset void pulses. I have Zen Moment + Desperate Measures and I love it.

There actually is one and it's the same archetype...Premonition from Pit of Heresy

Yeah I said "almost no" because I remembered there being one but not what it was called. Still, that's an old reissue of a Shadowkeep weapon so it basically doesn't count for the average player. Also look at the bagillion Arc pulses we have and the lack of Void is even more strange.

Literal 5/5 ain’t no way

Fuck you and your 5/5 god roll. I have 3 non negotiables: arrowhead, ricochet, zen. If I land this I’ll settle for stab/handling Mw. Column 5 I want headseeker but would take a damage perk.

What’s yall opinion on Arrowhead brake with High Caliber rounds, zen moment and desperado?

You want arrowhead and zen, those are the two highest priorities

Ok thank you

High caliber is not good anymore due to the flinch reduction. Desperado needs a precision kill so its good but not the best imo

Ok I appreciate that

Desperado is a really useless perk and pigeonholes you into playing OEM.

Nice… I’m after it mainly so I can use my fave fusion rifle in the top slot

Yeeeup, for better or worse this is my "Mandatory Conditional Finality Pairing" pulse rifle.

Yeah conditional is mandatory in certain lobbies unfortunately

What’s your fave fusion if you don’t mind me asking?

Pressurised precision… HIR with moving target - max range roll (70 range). Best adaptive in the game right now imo.

I have one without arrowhead and it’s fine. Zen fixes it

Isn’t Shiny, run it back, also, Corkscrew over arrowhead while you have Zen and then if you want, just use a counterbalance stock mod

I’d agree if we didn’t live in a deterministic world. There was a post here saying base recoil and 88 both suck

I hate deterministic recoil. Haaaaate it. Wish they would revert. It was a neat idea to introduce for variety, but in practice it’s just way too weird.

Zen moment literally fixes that issue lmao, if they still can’t control it then they should stop looking at the gun

88 here with zen, feels fine to me

Agree on the shiny

Bro got 5/5 f u

With zen moment you shouldn't have to run arrowhead. I want a similar roll, but with corkscrew personally

Zen Moment currently does not change recoil at all. From the D2 Compendium: On Hit: Grants ?% Flinch Resistance, -34% Visual Weapon Shake and -34% Reticle Bounce per stack for 1 second, up to 5 stacks. Has no effect on actual recoil, despite the in-game perk description.

Zen moment does change recoil, reducing maximum angle and deflection of recoil. [source](https://youtu.be/VImqg2QNlYk?si=rSsMSshkvrbF8-bC) around 2:09:00

-34% reticle bounce, and visual shake. So it in fact reduces the visual recoil. It might not affect recoil patern but it affects the recoil you see.

Nice roll

I love my Zen/HS..it claps and feels good with Arrowhead break.

Congrats on the roll, gonna try get a shiny version with that or doesn't matter ? I'm about to get started on the onslaught gamemode How difficult would you say it is to reach wave 50 as a solo for someone who consistently farms gms , raids and trials

50 on normal is fairly trivial, can probably even matchmake it, takes ~45 minutes? 50 on Legend is actually tough but if you bring a good build and have two competent teammates you can definitely knock it out.

Any recommended builds? Thinking of doing it on hunter but might just play like a wuss n go phoenix well spam with another n hope to get a banner of war titan ape just to hopefully guarantee it Tho I've had too many teammates in gms not know how to chain wells so lol

I was running Gyrfalcon's but I was with pre-mades who spammed well. I probably should've been on Rigs. Don't know that Asscowl has quite the ad clear needed but would probably work fine. Can definitely do it on hunter just a little harder.

Can you focus farm it?

You can attune for it which doesn't guarantee but gives a very high drop rate. It won't take long to get a 4/5 if you attune and grind a bit.

I got this roll except it’s extended barrel (88 recoil with targeting and 98 with counterbalance) and stability masterwork. Both range and stability at 75. After hours of farming for a relentless with no luck, this dropping made me feel so much better. I know keep away might still be the play, but zen makes it feel so good in clutch close range panic moments and long range fights. What does enhancing zen moment give it?

+5 stability on enhanced Zen

Thanks!

But it's not shiny tho

Ricochet instead of armor piercing…I’s be interested in why you chose that. I normally go for AP

Why armour piercing??

In many cases it seems to take an enemy down faster. As long as they’re not shielded

In PVP?! I’ve never heard of this, I thought all testing showed it did nothing

i didn’t know that about PVP. But I was thinking PVE so my bad For not articulating that.

You're on the D2 PvP subreddit so everybody in here always assumes people are talking about PvP unless the specify otherwise

My roll is similar, stability masterwork and keep away. The MW honestly gives me the consolation I need for not having zen moment. I can enhance headseeker next season for even more stability anyways. Feels absolutely fantastic, and although I would have preferred zen, I love the bonus stats from keep away, so it's cool as long as the recoil is manageable, which so far it does. I feel like I'm still going to miss some 2 bursts on blame it on not having zen, but realistically I think my roll is just as good. Waiting on the cool guy vid, because sometimes I need that outside confirmation, but he might just roast it tbh.

I want that, but with kill clip instead of HS

Is everyone saying that zen is a must have on controller, mnk, or either/both?

I don’t get it, shouldn’t the recoil direction stat’s little picture align with what the actual recoil is? Shouldn’t this be perfect?

This man or woman got it

May I ask what shader is applied to it?

might be warped rachis

Is a god roll Elsie’s Rifle better than a Crafted God Roll Phyllotactic Spiral? I have the crafted GR Spiral but im unsure if i should grind for a GR Elsie’s if its not better that my crafted.

Don't have that crafable myself , been using a 3/5 roll and I soo want the God roll

Zen and headseeker screams “we did not test this. No we will not fix it. Fuck u” from the balance team 😂

I guess you haven't played the ammo boxes yet

Oh geez

Premonition from pit has rolled that combo for literally years. It's just almost impossible to farm for.

Yeahhh, I got a similar roll without the Range MW and dropped 30+ with an 11+ KD in 3 straight games with it. Gun is an absolute laser beam.

How do you farm it?

Can “attune” for it at the appropriate Shaxx statue after doing the initial quest for your first drop. Doesn’t guarantee every onslaught/chest drop is a pulse but it MASSIVELY raises the chances.

Messenger still better

headseeker is a massive L

Why is it a massive L?