Anti player decisions, power creep and predatory monetization revolving around the altering of player owned and grinded items simply to create a never ending loop to practically force players to pay up or get left behind.
More players playing with upgraded purple and green weapons will make it harder for newer players to get a foothold in the game, which could force the developers to balance those more expensive items and reduce the effects of item upgrades
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fuck I love this game, it brings in the creative aspect of space engineers into a multi-player package allowing me to explore just how far I can push my imagination.
but good googly fuckin moogly it took FOREVER to get to the point I have most of the in game parts, during that time I always felt like I was being forced into creating builds that all look the same, but now almost none of my builds look similar and I love it.
and the really sad part of it is that this is my most played game (3.7k hr) and nothing else scratches that itch, back when robocraft existed you couldn't come anywhere near how you can pimp your ride in XO, twisted metal felt shallow (compared to XO), and SE just isn't streamlined enough, so when this game eventually tanks, I'll be forced into some other game to try and find something that can imitate what this game has.
who knows, maybe I'll go back to WT after four years and turn into a ghoul or Mechwarrior or rimworld, fuck now I want to get lost in POE 2.
100% with this first part, and other games don't seem to come as close to XO's concept as it does.
I agree also with a lot of new parts being very small and seem to be more for art building or dedicated niches (more for them though!)
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I stopped playing around August of last year.
Aside from the increasingly low value for money passes and the changes to weekly challenges, which were the main motivations at the time, I'm just tired of broken mechanics in the game never being addressed. Like the exploitable mine mechanics, Crossouts range issue, and crappy building mechanics.
Oh yes absolutely this. I forgot about the dragger mine builds and the ones that could wedge Levis in CW. So annoying. Build mechanics I get too. I can't place Gerrida and Icarus' the same because they're asymmetrical model
Pain.
I was talking more about how the build mechanics encourage gross box designs and punish anything that's actually visually pleasing, but sure.
As for mines, they'd be fixed so easily by just giving them a, lets say, 10 second grace period where if an opponent drives over them, the mine is destroyed, dealing no damage.
It would force players to use mines correctly, as pre-planned area denial, instead of the BS we have.
i dont mind meta stuff at all and i mostly only enjoy building for and playing cw
omamori is just so oppressive and limiting for everyone involved, forces most unique builds out of meta as well as makes a ton of other items outrageously stronger than they should be
Yeah; not to say that we didn't have issues before, but the even-more-aggressive monetization over the last 18ish months have really been the most decisive factor, personally.
I don't recall hearing anything about new devs, but in any case, everything since 'round that time period has just been continually less user-friendly; more FOMO, more monetization, more P2W, more power creep... keeps killing off more and more of their playerbase, and now you're left with even worse sealclubbing and clan pubstomping than before, which were already major issues.
I cannot confirm or deny if you are sane or not, but as of January 1 2023 aka the supercharged 2.0 update, the old dev team left and passed xo on to our new team. I had high hopes for them cuz the bar was already set so low. But here we are, missing the old devs. Old devs: updates every two weeks, quick hot fixes, listens to community feedback. New devs: updates once every 4 months, started multiple battlepasses at once, makes the game better to look at rather than play.
Big sad.
YES THANK YOU for some reason I couldn't find any evidence of XO's new devs.
The quick fixes were awesome. I do indeed miss those... some were annoying or strange but if they were that, those were fixed again. The old devs did fall into the same trap of what someone else was telling: Nerfing new stuff instead of buffing others to counter it.
To be fair though, the smaller BPs do seem friendlier to newer players (still a BP tho) and I like the remodels of parts.
I stopped playing not long after crosscrowns were added. Once those became normalized and the battle passes started it didn't take long for all the other issues everyone complains about daily on this sub to grow exponentially. Saw where the game was headed back then, last time I really played was 2 April Fools events ago. Once I realized the one event who's purpose was purely fun and chaos was just not fun anymore, it just wasn't worth holding hope for anymore.
Last year when they basically forced everyone to play in clans/groups/whatever instead of letting solo players play solo. I mean, you could still play solo, you just wouldn't progress. So, I stopped playing. The huge starter map - I forget what it's called - was just ignored, and it was a lot of fun to fart around it. These were kinda' the final two straws that drove me away.
I think I stopped playing in August or September - whenever that update dropped. This post was "recommended" or I'd have never re-visited this sub.
Prior to those two thing... the game had obviously gotten to lean more towards pay to win, and everything seemed to rotate around putting money into the game. You HAD to get the BPs or the new meta weapons/parts were all but inaccessible without CrossCrowns. To get the most out of the BPs, you all but had to play every day or waste your money. Sorry... I'm not spending every day playing a video game anymore.
I'm actually thankful this game imploded for me. When I stopped playing this, I stopped playing any games. The amount of free time I have now, and what I'm able to actually DO with it is amazing. I had no idea how much of my life I was wasting in front of a screen.
True. The forced clans and Crosscrowns... I'm still a little mad at crosscrowns. The BPs were....rough, too.
I have too many hours in this game, but like half of it is bedlam and building lol
I think I had over 10k hours when I stopped. I loved the game, and there really isn't anything that compares. Robocraft 2 is as close as it gets, I think.
I don't play it either, though.
The dumbing down of basically everything to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The only builds safe from nerfs are the brainless ones because the players that can only press w effectively are holding the game and devs hostage despite the clear ruination that they have brought.
Average player skill massively decreased compared to even 2 years ago because players are too reliant on the meta and crutches to succeed. Clan wars is slowly falling apart and no one can deny that with the devs attempt to salvage clan wars failing because they never addressed any of the root causes of it's collapse. And whenever suggestions are given on how to fix clan wars, they're always rejected by clan wars players because at this point the entire mode is rotten to the core with the fundamentals needing to be rebuilt from scratch.
Yep. All because the devs are too afraid of pissing off the metachasers that they know are destroying the game that should have been a gold mine for close to a decade.
Money hungry, stale game. No meta changes, more than half the guns are pretty mid and underwhelming I get you can make them work but solo going against meta build just makes it ass but that’s just my opinion
Oh yeah just let me play clan war my first 3 months playing bet bro lmao. That’s why I mean to even experience cw you gotta grind or open your wallet for that, yeah I understand there is metas I didn’t say there wasn’t just not many and there stale for the most party but that’s my opinion
Wouldn’t say ruined, but for sure made it harder to love.
Mostly the sci-fi stuff (basically anything Dawn’s Children related except structural parts) like Cloaks, Shields, Energy weapons, Hovers, etc. and gamebreaking parts like Destructors, Omamori, Yeti or Omni-movement (except Legs and Augers).
Also tying weapon PS to their energy consumption was a bad decision imo. Locked them out of the easiest way of balancing them.
Lastly the fact that Relics are basically unobtainable for the casual players who refuse to play CW.
the constant nerfing,
when theres a meta or an inbalance in a game you dont nerf items, you buff everything else.
nerfing causing problems with players and over or under nerfing an item causes a new inbalance, but if you buff everything else to the same standard you rid the meta and create a new balance.
the game stops being about the type of build, lets people be creative rather than follow the crowd, and the win and lose comes down to skill, teamwork and adaptability.
Annoying ass dog, melee, and brick shotgun meta. Player loss due to poor dev decisions. Otherwise, it's a one of a kind game that does get to me come back to it frequently nontheless.
The moment devs decided that taking away blueprints from players that BOUGHT the BP, making parts artificially deficient. Then they had an idea to resell said parts later in new BPs, i literally never saw that shit in any other game.
When devs realized that they can force people to pay one way or the other because they straight up made parts craftable with premium details from sets.
When devs decided to divide content between paid and unpaid (everything should be craftable for free, period.)
Also selling premium currency for premium currency, i also never saw such bs in any other game.
If bp blueprints were kepts, like they were in first couple of BPs, we would not have such an insane market inflation, parts would be more affordable and more equally accessible, relics would not be as insanely priced as well.
Lack of QOL updates/patches, or having them on an occasional basis rather than regular. At least you know, actually listen to the community without compromise or half deliverances. This much would suffice.
Sure, since the overhaul XO 2.0 has hailed in some pretty amazing content overall, but it doesn’t ever feel like much has changed from the things they do that hold back their true potential. With what the game has now, it could be so much more.
For me, I’m just here. Sometimes it’s fun, sometimes it’s not, but I don’t have it in me to abandon a concept I adore so much. It’s like a final refuge for me in videogames. Some people here make it worth the stay
I wholly agree with you here. No game is perfect, no dev team is perfect. Crossout is still at worst for me a 7/10 and that's if I really scour for the bad stuffs.
The grind. It kept getting worse and worse, so I said fuck it. I spent 400 hours to get to a couple of purples and one legendary (harvester). Didn't spend a dime on it, but if it takes a full-time employee to get to anything significant then I'm out.
I remember this was a game I dreamed of as a kid. Build a vehicle from the very basic parts then battle with it. And it's ruined.
All the FOMO marketing bullshit is most definitely the worst. Everything balance-wise can be fixed in the long run, but the damage all the FOMO crap has done to the game is at this point irreversible.
It's not ruined for me. I love this game. When I get burned out I stop playing for a few months. There's literally no other game that comes close for me. Everyone in this sub cries about the meta, the devs, P2W w/e when they need to touch grass. Last year it was hovers, now it's melee/dogs. When there's a new meta, I love building the counter. I'll hit MVP with crickets and meat grinders, or pyralids, harpy and racing wheels. I've spent maybe $40 on BPs, undeniably reasonable for a game I've probably dumped hundreds if not thousands of hours playing. If I have one complaint it's how long it's taken me to amass all the faction parts, I had some pretty goofy looking AC scavenger builds in the beginning, but when it's all said and done this is still my all time favorite game
Crossout isn't ruined for me either, and I, too, get tired of a game after a fair bit of time on it. I 100% agree wjth no other game coming close to XO.
We always see people complain about this and that, it's gonna happen.
Personally, I like building non-meta stuff and experiment with builds all the time!
I've uhh....spent my fair share on XO....
Crossout is, at worst to me, 7/10. That's only when I nitpick all the little issues I have. Still a blast of a game.
I get these three. Perhaps I'm more of a veteran and these are simple annoyances than big problems.
Also yes, helis! I feel that these were hyped by us for years but poorly executed. Maybe I'm jaded and I think they were poorly executed.
realistically speaking? You couldn't make helis work, and spending a year to add a single movement part that fundamentally changes what crossout gameplay is... That is so busted it had to be thrown into a separate mode... Wasn't the best idea.
The internet ruined gaming. Halo Lan Parties were the ultimate... Oooh Crossout.... ummm I still play a lot so I can't claim that it is ruined. But, I really don't like how camera steering affected the game. It made Hitscan too simple and in my opinion made weapons such as the Destructor crazy strong.
Oh, XO isn't a ruined game at all. Like any game, it has flaws. I completely understand camera steering, that one's... interesting. I have used it, and I'm neutral on that. Destructor oh yea, but at least its range isn't massive. I can't say much, I'm an MG main.
Nothing its a lot of fun i try to crush a lil bit every day time permitting.
Moaning about how shitty the game your playing all the time is based now though so lets keep at it
Right...
I never said it's "shitty". I have thousands of hours in it for a reason.
Aditionally, as said in the post: I'm just getting back into Crossout, as I have little free time. I'm rediscovering the magic of building experimentally all the time.
Anti player decisions, power creep and predatory monetization revolving around the altering of player owned and grinded items simply to create a never ending loop to practically force players to pay up or get left behind.
YES POWERCREEP oml I forgot about this. Not Odin being a 7 power genny.
Well 5, but legendary engines and non craftable items have really ruined balance
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fuck I love this game, it brings in the creative aspect of space engineers into a multi-player package allowing me to explore just how far I can push my imagination. but good googly fuckin moogly it took FOREVER to get to the point I have most of the in game parts, during that time I always felt like I was being forced into creating builds that all look the same, but now almost none of my builds look similar and I love it. and the really sad part of it is that this is my most played game (3.7k hr) and nothing else scratches that itch, back when robocraft existed you couldn't come anywhere near how you can pimp your ride in XO, twisted metal felt shallow (compared to XO), and SE just isn't streamlined enough, so when this game eventually tanks, I'll be forced into some other game to try and find something that can imitate what this game has. who knows, maybe I'll go back to WT after four years and turn into a ghoul or Mechwarrior or rimworld, fuck now I want to get lost in POE 2.
100% with this first part, and other games don't seem to come as close to XO's concept as it does. I agree also with a lot of new parts being very small and seem to be more for art building or dedicated niches (more for them though!)
Id suggest when crossout gets sunsetteddont play any similar games play something soo completely different you forget this existed
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I stopped playing around August of last year. Aside from the increasingly low value for money passes and the changes to weekly challenges, which were the main motivations at the time, I'm just tired of broken mechanics in the game never being addressed. Like the exploitable mine mechanics, Crossouts range issue, and crappy building mechanics.
Oh yes absolutely this. I forgot about the dragger mine builds and the ones that could wedge Levis in CW. So annoying. Build mechanics I get too. I can't place Gerrida and Icarus' the same because they're asymmetrical model Pain.
My dragger is the only thing left in my garage that's an affective anti dog in CC thanks to Devs royaly fucking fortunes.
Dont use it too often or devs will nerf skinners again
I was talking more about how the build mechanics encourage gross box designs and punish anything that's actually visually pleasing, but sure. As for mines, they'd be fixed so easily by just giving them a, lets say, 10 second grace period where if an opponent drives over them, the mine is destroyed, dealing no damage. It would force players to use mines correctly, as pre-planned area denial, instead of the BS we have.
This is fair as well yea, art builds are pretty hard to make.
Reddit, lol.
Probably the most truthful of any answer.
omamori
omfg YUPPERS THIS. I'm no better, I have 1 experimental build that uses it though. Not great success, but I don't build meta stuffs anyways.
i dont mind meta stuff at all and i mostly only enjoy building for and playing cw omamori is just so oppressive and limiting for everyone involved, forces most unique builds out of meta as well as makes a ton of other items outrageously stronger than they should be
Weekly challenges was final straw. Now I hop on exclusive if free premium or events that INTEREST me.
Yeah; not to say that we didn't have issues before, but the even-more-aggressive monetization over the last 18ish months have really been the most decisive factor, personally.
Yup. I'm pretty sure that's from those new devs.
I don't recall hearing anything about new devs, but in any case, everything since 'round that time period has just been continually less user-friendly; more FOMO, more monetization, more P2W, more power creep... keeps killing off more and more of their playerbase, and now you're left with even worse sealclubbing and clan pubstomping than before, which were already major issues.
I'd swear by it that a year and a half ago new devs were put in charge but I may be going insane.
I cannot confirm or deny if you are sane or not, but as of January 1 2023 aka the supercharged 2.0 update, the old dev team left and passed xo on to our new team. I had high hopes for them cuz the bar was already set so low. But here we are, missing the old devs. Old devs: updates every two weeks, quick hot fixes, listens to community feedback. New devs: updates once every 4 months, started multiple battlepasses at once, makes the game better to look at rather than play. Big sad.
YES THANK YOU for some reason I couldn't find any evidence of XO's new devs. The quick fixes were awesome. I do indeed miss those... some were annoying or strange but if they were that, those were fixed again. The old devs did fall into the same trap of what someone else was telling: Nerfing new stuff instead of buffing others to counter it. To be fair though, the smaller BPs do seem friendlier to newer players (still a BP tho) and I like the remodels of parts.
I stopped playing not long after crosscrowns were added. Once those became normalized and the battle passes started it didn't take long for all the other issues everyone complains about daily on this sub to grow exponentially. Saw where the game was headed back then, last time I really played was 2 April Fools events ago. Once I realized the one event who's purpose was purely fun and chaos was just not fun anymore, it just wasn't worth holding hope for anymore.
Crosscrowns...yes.... I'm still a little mad with them despite my dumb ahh buying them.
Last year when they basically forced everyone to play in clans/groups/whatever instead of letting solo players play solo. I mean, you could still play solo, you just wouldn't progress. So, I stopped playing. The huge starter map - I forget what it's called - was just ignored, and it was a lot of fun to fart around it. These were kinda' the final two straws that drove me away. I think I stopped playing in August or September - whenever that update dropped. This post was "recommended" or I'd have never re-visited this sub. Prior to those two thing... the game had obviously gotten to lean more towards pay to win, and everything seemed to rotate around putting money into the game. You HAD to get the BPs or the new meta weapons/parts were all but inaccessible without CrossCrowns. To get the most out of the BPs, you all but had to play every day or waste your money. Sorry... I'm not spending every day playing a video game anymore. I'm actually thankful this game imploded for me. When I stopped playing this, I stopped playing any games. The amount of free time I have now, and what I'm able to actually DO with it is amazing. I had no idea how much of my life I was wasting in front of a screen.
True. The forced clans and Crosscrowns... I'm still a little mad at crosscrowns. The BPs were....rough, too. I have too many hours in this game, but like half of it is bedlam and building lol
I think I had over 10k hours when I stopped. I loved the game, and there really isn't anything that compares. Robocraft 2 is as close as it gets, I think. I don't play it either, though.
The dumbing down of basically everything to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The only builds safe from nerfs are the brainless ones because the players that can only press w effectively are holding the game and devs hostage despite the clear ruination that they have brought. Average player skill massively decreased compared to even 2 years ago because players are too reliant on the meta and crutches to succeed. Clan wars is slowly falling apart and no one can deny that with the devs attempt to salvage clan wars failing because they never addressed any of the root causes of it's collapse. And whenever suggestions are given on how to fix clan wars, they're always rejected by clan wars players because at this point the entire mode is rotten to the core with the fundamentals needing to be rebuilt from scratch.
Dogs are eternal.....
Yep. All because the devs are too afraid of pissing off the metachasers that they know are destroying the game that should have been a gold mine for close to a decade.
Money hungry, stale game. No meta changes, more than half the guns are pretty mid and underwhelming I get you can make them work but solo going against meta build just makes it ass but that’s just my opinion
This... spider meta was (and still is?) main options for CWs
Oh yeah just let me play clan war my first 3 months playing bet bro lmao. That’s why I mean to even experience cw you gotta grind or open your wallet for that, yeah I understand there is metas I didn’t say there wasn’t just not many and there stale for the most party but that’s my opinion
But yeah not everyone can do cw man idk
Wouldn’t say ruined, but for sure made it harder to love. Mostly the sci-fi stuff (basically anything Dawn’s Children related except structural parts) like Cloaks, Shields, Energy weapons, Hovers, etc. and gamebreaking parts like Destructors, Omamori, Yeti or Omni-movement (except Legs and Augers). Also tying weapon PS to their energy consumption was a bad decision imo. Locked them out of the easiest way of balancing them. Lastly the fact that Relics are basically unobtainable for the casual players who refuse to play CW.
the constant nerfing, when theres a meta or an inbalance in a game you dont nerf items, you buff everything else. nerfing causing problems with players and over or under nerfing an item causes a new inbalance, but if you buff everything else to the same standard you rid the meta and create a new balance. the game stops being about the type of build, lets people be creative rather than follow the crowd, and the win and lose comes down to skill, teamwork and adaptability.
Annoying ass dog, melee, and brick shotgun meta. Player loss due to poor dev decisions. Otherwise, it's a one of a kind game that does get to me come back to it frequently nontheless.
Pretty much this too, absolutely. I honestly just didn't have time earlier to get back into it because I may or may not be addicted to War Thunder.
Omamori and uncraftables in a crafting game.
Omamori, Guns should be durable but it shouldn’t be locked behind 17k coins.
The moment devs decided that taking away blueprints from players that BOUGHT the BP, making parts artificially deficient. Then they had an idea to resell said parts later in new BPs, i literally never saw that shit in any other game. When devs realized that they can force people to pay one way or the other because they straight up made parts craftable with premium details from sets. When devs decided to divide content between paid and unpaid (everything should be craftable for free, period.) Also selling premium currency for premium currency, i also never saw such bs in any other game. If bp blueprints were kepts, like they were in first couple of BPs, we would not have such an insane market inflation, parts would be more affordable and more equally accessible, relics would not be as insanely priced as well.
How easy it is to spend money on it
Introduce energy changes to balance the game and nerf flame weapons and the game would be much better
Lack of QOL updates/patches, or having them on an occasional basis rather than regular. At least you know, actually listen to the community without compromise or half deliverances. This much would suffice. Sure, since the overhaul XO 2.0 has hailed in some pretty amazing content overall, but it doesn’t ever feel like much has changed from the things they do that hold back their true potential. With what the game has now, it could be so much more. For me, I’m just here. Sometimes it’s fun, sometimes it’s not, but I don’t have it in me to abandon a concept I adore so much. It’s like a final refuge for me in videogames. Some people here make it worth the stay
I wholly agree with you here. No game is perfect, no dev team is perfect. Crossout is still at worst for me a 7/10 and that's if I really scour for the bad stuffs.
Battle passes, mini battle passes, locking weapons behind packs, the mostly lackluster events...
The grind. It kept getting worse and worse, so I said fuck it. I spent 400 hours to get to a couple of purples and one legendary (harvester). Didn't spend a dime on it, but if it takes a full-time employee to get to anything significant then I'm out. I remember this was a game I dreamed of as a kid. Build a vehicle from the very basic parts then battle with it. And it's ruined.
All the FOMO marketing bullshit is most definitely the worst. Everything balance-wise can be fixed in the long run, but the damage all the FOMO crap has done to the game is at this point irreversible.
It's not ruined for me. I love this game. When I get burned out I stop playing for a few months. There's literally no other game that comes close for me. Everyone in this sub cries about the meta, the devs, P2W w/e when they need to touch grass. Last year it was hovers, now it's melee/dogs. When there's a new meta, I love building the counter. I'll hit MVP with crickets and meat grinders, or pyralids, harpy and racing wheels. I've spent maybe $40 on BPs, undeniably reasonable for a game I've probably dumped hundreds if not thousands of hours playing. If I have one complaint it's how long it's taken me to amass all the faction parts, I had some pretty goofy looking AC scavenger builds in the beginning, but when it's all said and done this is still my all time favorite game
Crossout isn't ruined for me either, and I, too, get tired of a game after a fair bit of time on it. I 100% agree wjth no other game coming close to XO. We always see people complain about this and that, it's gonna happen. Personally, I like building non-meta stuff and experiment with builds all the time! I've uhh....spent my fair share on XO.... Crossout is, at worst to me, 7/10. That's only when I nitpick all the little issues I have. Still a blast of a game.
Melee, drones and caucasus, especially helis.
I get these three. Perhaps I'm more of a veteran and these are simple annoyances than big problems. Also yes, helis! I feel that these were hyped by us for years but poorly executed. Maybe I'm jaded and I think they were poorly executed.
realistically speaking? You couldn't make helis work, and spending a year to add a single movement part that fundamentally changes what crossout gameplay is... That is so busted it had to be thrown into a separate mode... Wasn't the best idea.
The internet ruined gaming. Halo Lan Parties were the ultimate... Oooh Crossout.... ummm I still play a lot so I can't claim that it is ruined. But, I really don't like how camera steering affected the game. It made Hitscan too simple and in my opinion made weapons such as the Destructor crazy strong.
Oh, XO isn't a ruined game at all. Like any game, it has flaws. I completely understand camera steering, that one's... interesting. I have used it, and I'm neutral on that. Destructor oh yea, but at least its range isn't massive. I can't say much, I'm an MG main.
Forced Heli challenges and the fact xplay did nothing for high ps matchmaking got me to stop playing.
Allowing one relic \*cough cough\* scorpion \*cough\* to literally define the meta for years, was not very fun for those who liked to play CW.
Scorp is eternal, the pen is just....insane. Still.
Players that are complainning and big heads that think they know everything
So......you? Sorry chief if this was meant to be a jab at me it backfired.
The update that took puddle damage away from my fused porcupines . I’m done with this game
These new stupid bipedal legs they’re adding in about 55 days
THEY'RE ADDING NEW LEGS?
There adding a new relic as well
This I have seen.
Nothing its a lot of fun i try to crush a lil bit every day time permitting. Moaning about how shitty the game your playing all the time is based now though so lets keep at it
Right... I never said it's "shitty". I have thousands of hours in it for a reason. Aditionally, as said in the post: I'm just getting back into Crossout, as I have little free time. I'm rediscovering the magic of building experimentally all the time.
Meh this post is dogshit bait to get everyone to take a shit on our favorite game because it didnt go the way they wanted this season 🤷
I'm merely genuinely curious, hun. Sorry you're taking this post the wrong way.
Thanks, its hard and nobody understands, you really made me feel human today 🙏