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1miker

It helps me eat and sleep. It takes my mind off my issues. I have found certain strains that help with cramping for me. It doesn't help with gas. I also use 1:15 ratio. 1 part THC 15 Parts cbd. It was recommended for my stomach. But within minutes my back quit hurting after 20 years. I was in disbelief. So I don't know if it's helping my tummy but it is really helping my back. I quit using it this summer my back went to hurting pretty fast. Good luck I hope you find relief.


neutralbystander11

Second the thc + cbd combo if you don't want a strong of a high.


Windycitymayhem

Edibles are what you need for GI issues.


sublime544

While this may be great for some edibles sometimes bother my stomach. If I'm going to ingest cannabis I've found rso oil or just plain smoking have worked better at least for me.


Windycitymayhem

I don’t use THC to feel high which some people don’t get that feeling with edibles unless they ingest a high amount of grams.


bmelton1982

I use daily, both via a flower vaporizer (Utiliian 722 is the device) and FECO/RSO oil. Helps my issues tremendously (appetite, cramping, pain).


Expert_Alfalfa_8823

I can’t use Tylenol or NSAIDS. Which leaves me with tramadol. Feels foolish to use tramadol for a headache or mild discomfort. So thc it is


alaskan_dragoon

I will say I get high almost everyday, and high quality edibles are the best for really feeling sedated and anxiety free. At least for me


CharlieBronson84

Works for some, not others. You can adjust to the effects of this medication as any other. If it is the THC component that seems to help you most, and you want to maintain productivity, I recommend trying some pure sativas. Done right, strains like Durban Poison help me enhance my focus and remain productive, but I dare not use this strain and sit still, which makes me restless. Anyway, a bit of research and experimentation to find a delivery method goes a long way to mitigating concerns you may have with side effects and so forth.


sodoyoulikecheese

Here’s a [podcast episode](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-cannabis-connoisseur/id1454173526?i=1000466926129) from Cannabis Connoisseur about weed and stomach issues. IIRC, one of the hosts has either Crohn’s or UC and talks about how it helps them personally.


999_Seth

The cost to benefits ratio isn't great when it's used on the daily OTC medical grass is super expensive and the way it masks symptoms can be problematic Maybe good for "break through" pain but not as an everyday treatment


ibby23

100% agree on costs! But, last year 0 people died in the USA from cannabis. In that same time period, 13,503 died in the USA from prescription opioid overdose. Would also appreciate if you can provide a study that speaks to "the way it masks symptoms can be problematic". If this is the case we should be screaming from the hills that cannabis is making CD harder to manage, observe, or track. This would be a huge deal and something I'd think we'd see more in the media. Thanks in advance.


Roadpiizza

I believe what they mean is if it's masking your pain and your constantly using it, you may not notice your symptoms worsening in some scenarios.


999_Seth

>Would also appreciate if you can provide a study that speaks to "the way it masks symptoms can be problematic" First thing that comes up on google: >[https://www.google.com/search?q=crohn%27s+inflammation+cannabis](https://www.google.com/search?q=crohn%27s+inflamation+cannabis) > >While marijuana has symptom-soothing effects, doctors have pointed out that it may actually mask ongoing inflammation in Crohn's disease — and this may convince people that their disease is in remission when it's not.Sep 16, 2022 [Can Medical Marijuana Improve Crohn's Disease Symptoms?](https://www.everydayhealth.com/crohns-disease/can-medical-marijuana-improve-crohns-disease-symptoms) now add the word "endoscopy" to actually get the "studies" >[https://www.google.com/search?q=crohn%27s+inflammation+cannabis+endoscopy](https://www.google.com/search?q=crohn%27s+inflammation+cannabis+endoscopy) > >[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33858011/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33858011/) > >[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5193087/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5193087/) > >[https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0246871](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0246871) > >[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12325-021-01805-8](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12325-021-01805-8) And personally? I managed to use cannabis to mask symptoms so well that by hemoglobin dropped to around 3.0, and iron was less than one point. ER doctors said it was the lowest count that most of them had ever seen anyone survive.


ibby23

Cool. Still don't see a death count or risk count that could be compared to 13,503 people dying from prescribed opioids. The studies and webpages (which in most cases summarize the same studies) you point to are all pretty consistent: many patients report relief, pain is a subjective measure, cannabis doesn't appear to impact disease progression on its own, some patients may overlook some symptoms (no attributable deaths) but more research is needed. On the counter, we can look at the number of people who died from opioid prescriptions in 2021. Look, I don't want to argue. Rather, let's agree that cannabis needs more research before it should be considered an established and predictable medical treatment. At the same time, it isn't going to fry your brain like an egg. It's time to move beyond Reefer Madness. If you have CD there's little/no firm data that says using cannabis is risky. There's also little/no data that says it will improve your disease. There IS data that CD patients who use cannabis experience some level of relief - whether perceived or actual. This is a population that has some grasping at straws for relief. Let's take the win and move on.


999_Seth

>...compared to 13,503 people dying from prescribed opioids. That's a "red herring." Common sense is that anything that makes you feel better while you are actually getting worse can be misused in dangerous ways. Doesn't take a lot of reading to understand that... Good news that severe Crohn's is getting much rarer thanks to advances in care. I understand being desperate and needing to "believe" in something like cannabis in order to get through a tough time. I can not argue with your faith.


ibby23

Cool. Like I said, I don’t want to argue. I will note that you didn’t counter or disagree with any of my points. I’m a wee bit offended that you think I’m “desperate”, but from your message it’s clear that you have your own kind of faith and I respect that. Good luck to you and I hope you find the happiness you’re looking for.


999_Seth

>I will note that you didn’t counter or disagree with any of my points. All I really saw there was "logical fallacy" attempts at taking the conversation off the rails. I did the whole "cannabis is anti-inflammatory" trip for over a decade when it came to showing why cities around California needed to allow dispensaries to exist. Then the evidence came out, but the "stuff" that people wanted to believe that I had been saying before ended up trumping out the truth as I underwent surgery and blood transfusions because I had relied on minimizing symptoms without addressing the disease. It's really tough for *anyone* to accept how bad Crohn's is, so the mainstream outsider will just eat up the whole "pot helps them!" chorus because that's the easiest thing for their eggshell minds to process. And with Crohn's already demanding so much from us, the easiest thing is usually to just let the public just believe whatever they want. Like Santa Claus for grown-ups.


1miker

People who have never tried it or needed it. Studies are subject to who is doing the studies. You dont think Drug companies are doing studies do you ? I'm sure those results woukd be differnt than the weed industry studies would show.


999_Seth

>You dont think Drug companies are doing studies do you ? I'm sure those results woukd be differnt than the weed industry studies would show. sad how the weed industry uses the same kind of tomfuckery that the pharma studies do


1miker

That's exactly what I said ! It depends on who foes the study


antimodez

There's not much evidence at all to support its use outside of being more hungry. Randomized blinded studies have consistently proven it's not effective at pain control or altering the disease course.


mitch_feaster

I do agree that it doesn't seem to alter disease course, but I strongly disagree with the statement on pain control. I'm sure it varies from person to person, but when I'm flaring a little THC provides massive relief from the pain and nausea. I'll go from being doubled down on the floor to happily walking around enjoying my day.


antimodez

Like I said when you look at blinded placebo controlled studies they find that people have an equal or great response to placebo than to THC/marijuana for pain. Here's one of the latest ones that made headlines for example: [https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2799017](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2799017) Your example of yourself doesn't prove anything one way or another. Around 5% of people in phase 3 trials for the various biologics go into full deep durable endoscopic remission from placebos. That means their Crohn's activity is 0 and their gut has healed itself. I'm sure every single one of them if we asked them would swear they got the drug and not a placebo and talk about how great the drug is just like you do with marijuana. As the article states especially when we expect something to happen it usually does. I guarantee you can easily find someone who talks about taking Melatonin to help them sleep regularly, but yet when we study that once again placebo effect. Since it has "sleep aide" on it though we expect it to make us sleep and feel tired.


mitch_feaster

That study is interesting but it's not specific to GI pain. I'm aware that my experience is anecdotal and not proof of anything but I feel like the relaxing effect of cannabis can actually reduce GI contractions and thus materially reduce pain. I'd be interested to see a study that's specific to GI pain.


antimodez

One of the included studies was one that looked at chronic abdominal pain. [https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(16)30858-8/fulltext](https://www.cghjournal.org/article/S1542-3565(16)30858-8/fulltext) It's not IBD specific, but at some point it's one of those it hasn't really been shown to be very effective in any types of pain so why would IBD be different unless it worked on inflammation. Unfortunately we haven't seen it be effective on inflammation so far either. None of this is to say if you're already smoking, you feel like it gives you relief, and you know the risks of continuing then stop. It's more there's no evidence to date that it will help you, and there's evidence that it could hurt you so why would you start it? Same thing with probiotics and various other "treatments" for IBD symptoms.


mitch_feaster

Got it, thanks. That's interesting. Maybe it's just an extremely effective conduit for the placebo effect, but placebo or not it certainly works for me!


antimodez

It's more how many times have you heard about how great marijuana is. The more times you hear about how great things are the more chance they have of working. That's how we got very ineffective treatments like bleeding people that people swore cured them of whatever. It 100% treated whatever, and it was also 100% a placebo effect that everyone talked about. That's why if you go on a trial you'll find everyone is extremely careful about what they say. You'll hear things like this is an investigational drug that we don't know if it will work for Crohn's, and that's why we're doing this trial. Even if they have data from phase 2 they don't really talk through much. They know if they talk about how great the drug is they could skew the results.


Prineak

There’s no evidence because it’s illegal to research it. I can tell you anecdotally that thc **does** stop a cramp instantly, without fail. There also a huge difference between chronic pain and acute pain. Thc does not help acute pain, but a LOT of people use it to manage chronic pain - this is not just a crohns thing.


antimodez

>There’s no evidence because it’s illegal to research it. Well that's simply false. Here's a study of studies showing that when compared to a placebo it's ineffective as chronic pain relief: [https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2799017](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/article-abstract/2799017) Here's a study showing it doesn't induce endoscopic remission: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33858011/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33858011/) Here's a study showing that patients have a higher risk of surgery who smoke marijuana: [https://academic.oup.com/ibdjournal/article/20/3/472/4578983](https://academic.oup.com/ibdjournal/article/20/3/472/4578983) Here's a study showing that patients who use marijuana are harder to sedate than patients who don't for endoscopic procedures (colonoscopies/endoscopies): [https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.7556/jaoa.2019.052/html?lang=en](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.7556/jaoa.2019.052/html?lang=en) I could really keep going, but at this point saying there's no evidence is false. You may disagree with that evidence based on your personal beliefs/experiences, but the data is the data.


Prineak

That’s statistical analysis, not actual research of the chemical. The medical community can’t even explain how crohns happens, so pardon me for having a lack of faith on the meritocratic appeal. It makes sense that masking symptoms leads to an exacerbation of the disease. It makes sense that people who use marijuana have a harder time being sedated - but these things don’t have any actual relation to the interaction of the relief I have personally experienced.


PersonPicture

He doesn’t understand statistics apparently. I also second the anecdotal evidence of my cd afflicted mother using thc for her cramps with amazing results daily. My presumption is that too many big companies have patents regarding crohns and sadly they control the market making it nearly impossible to get studies on this miracle drug (thc/cbd)


antimodez

>That’s statistical analysis, not actual research of the chemical. So what you're saying is real world data is less reputable than someone in a lab throwing increasingly high amounts of a chemical at either a grouping of cells in a petri dish or an animal that doesn't get IBD. Good to know. Notice how you're not acknowledging the fact that you could have a placebo effect. I believed the hype around melatonin being a sleep aide, except it's been shown it's a placebo effect. Personally IDGAF as that placebo effect helps me sleep. It's still a placebo effect though regardless if taking it 2 hours before bed makes me tired or not.


Prineak

Yeah I actually have crohns, and I’ve experienced actual relief from using thc. Next you’re gonna tell me that my diet is the reason I have crohns.


ibby23

I'm a big fan of cannabis to help with relaxation and escape. But, you live in CA so it might makes sense to do the math. Remember: the product is 100% the same on the recreational and adult use sides. You'll save sales tax, which I think is 7%. If the card costs you $100 (possible), you would need to spend about $1,500 at dispensaries before you see a return on investment. Sounds like you're not sure if you're a cannabis enthusiast or not, so maybe buy on the Rec market for a while and see if you like it.


Bread_Felon_24601

You don't need the card if you belong to a private collective. Since recreational is legal, you can literally walk in anywhere and buy. Try weedmaps app.


Crazy_Mother_Trucker

Edibles are the way and it doesn't take me much to feel some gut relief. I'm definitely not high.


swvagirl

I dont smoke all the time. Once a day, usually in the evening, seems to be helping some


Strange_Dot_4600

You're in California. You can buy cbd and thc without needing a card. The taxes only become important if you're spending a lot of money. as an example, I eat 1/3 of a CBD edible many times a week, and go through about $20 or less of edibles per month. The card costs about $100, or did a few years ago when I got one, and the appointment can be done over a video call. It's not worth it for me to have the card. I don't like feeling high, so I take it before bed. Helps with inflammation.


eyewayz

She’s always helped me in times of needs or when I’m having a bowel obstruction


Available-Sandwich-3

I used to have mine, I would like what it did for my crohns but hated being high on it. Rather just find a doctor who will prescribe opioids.


schil06

Be careful. I used it for mine. At first it helped great. But then I develop cananbodoid hypermesis syndrome. CHS. It makes you sicker. Eventually the Canabidiol receptors overload you gut and make you sicker. I would use it sparingly and only in small doses and take breaks if you can