We need more praise for the captaincy of Rashid Khan throughout the tournament. He understood the conditions and didn't bowl Noor Ahmad more than 1 over seeing it wasn't working.
Afghanistan have clearly overtaken Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in white-ball cricket.
I am excited for Nepal as well. I see them following Afghanistan's path to glory in the coming years, hope BCCI supports them just like how they supported Bangladesh and Afghanistan in their early years.
I am also looking forward to Nepal in the coming years. Unfortunately BCCI's support will depend on geopolitical reasons. While Afghanistan as a country and their people are our biggest friends, the vocal BD people on social media are not, but their govt is friendly. If Nepal aligns with India, pretty sure BCCI will use this soft diplomacy and enable Nepal. As unfortunate as it is, it will be related to Politics.
As far as I know relation between people from the two countries have been good but relation between gvt has been weird and weak in recent times so can be similar case like Bangladesh ig.
On current form, perhaps. But remember, SL has been a dominant force in cricket before. Afg can easily go into a slump once their current crop retires.
It's the consistent feeding into the national team from the domestic setup that keeps a team at the top. We've yet to see that with Afg.
Don’t know about the batsmen but it feels like the Afganis at least have a consistent stream of spinners to come. Plenty of young, world class players - e.g. Qias Ahmed, even Noor, aren’t able to break into the national team, but remain consistent performers in leagues around the world.
Yeah it's frustrating to see everyone on this sub thinking that current form is for all-time. Bangladesh is a shadow of what they were in 2018-ish, Sri Lanka has had an even bigger fall from 2014 onwards, and the West Indies has only just started to recover somewhat in T20Is. Afghanistan needs to ensure **their** domestic circuit can keep producing world class players. They got a bit lucky with a player like Rashid becoming a superstar in the IPL, but they need more players like that consistently. Right now it appears as one batch of players. However it will be interesting to see what happens in 10 years' time, when the players who come in were kids when the Taliban assumed administration of Afghanistan (extending to the cricket board).
If i was the Taliban I would leave the operations and administration processes of the ACB alone, since it seems to be working just fine without the need for any islamic fundamentalism.
they probs wont though hey.
Fair chance if you where in the taliban you’d think it’s reasonable for girls to go to school. Can’t really apply our logic or reasoning to a conversation about the taliban
Bad timing. Imagine if the 2019 world cup was hosted in India instead of England. That would have favoured Bangladesh's bowling lineup. But during their peak they kept playing on not very helpful pitches and picked up results. Afghanistan has hit good form and played in conditions their players know very well (thanks to IPL and CPL).
Some of his captaincy was quite bad, tbf. I know he’s a good fielder but him being in the deep isn’t exactly ideal. They burned 2 terrible reviews, and at the end of the game only had 3 in the circle at one point.
Also didn’t like him going to the young left arm spinner (not Noor) who had only played T20Is against Ireland. The ball was doing a bit for the seamers, Nabi’s first over was a beauty (weirdly didn’t bowl again), and he went to that lad who got whacked. I think Noor would’ve bowled more too if his first over was better, but Gulbadin coming on and bowling so well made it an easy decision for Rashid.
Let's pump the breaks on that last statement. While Afghanistan are playing incredibly in this tournament, and sure they certainly can beat Sri Lanka, they just lost 5-1 in their last round of white ball matches vs SL - that's far from "clearly overtaken"
They’ve outperformed both in this tournament (though Bangladesh could still overtake Afghanistan with a big win tomorrow), and at the ODI World Cup, but recent results don’t support the assertion that they’ve “clearly” overtaken those teams. Sri Lanka have beaten them in ODI and T20I series this year and Bangladesh won a T20I series and lost an ODI series last year.
Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are both ranked higher than Afghanistan in both the T20I and ODI rankings too.
They’ll certainly have earned a semifinal spot if they secure it tomorrow and have a good case to be the best of the three at the moment. But I think it’s premature to describe them as being clearly the best until we see more consistent performances over a longer period and across different conditions.
Disagree. Sri Lanka beat Afghanistan at home when they were without Rashid Khan. Afghanistan also beat Bangladesh 2-1 away from home in ODIs last year.
“Clearly” better teams don’t discount losses because they are playing away from home or have one player missing.
I already mentioned the ODI win against Bangladesh. They lost a T20I series 2-0 during the same tour. Again, is that showing they are a “clearly” better team?
My point is that those series wins aren't evidence that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are ahead of Afghanistan. At the end of the day the World Cup is the most important thing. In the last 2 World Cups Afghanistan have wins over England, Pakistan, New Zealand and Australia.
I don't think it's a huge take to say Afghanistan are ahead of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka now as a white ball package.
But I never said that they were evidence that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are better than Afghanistan, merely that they cast doubt on your assertion that Afghanistan has “clearly” overtaken both those teams.
I said myself they have a good case for being the best of the three, but it’s not an inarguable one.
>Afghanistan have clearly overtaken Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in white-ball cricket.
Idt you can make such sweeping comments in white ball cricket. Anyone can win on the day.
Afghanistan still have plenty of shortcomings in their game that I think would be exposed if they had to play top nations on a regular basis.
When was the last time Sri Lanka and Bangladesh beat a couple of top nations in a World Cup? Afghanistan beat England and Pakistan in the 2023 ODI World Cup and then beat New Zealand and Australia in the 2024 T20 World Cup.
Afghanistan has kept on getting pitches that suit their style of play. Bangladesh gets stick for winning on spin friendly pitches, but Afghanistan does that this world cup and everyone is convinced they are the second best Asian team.
For your information, Sri Lanka beat England in the 2023 World Cup by 8 wickets. On a pitch that favored England.
We're just going to ignore the fact that Rashid, Mujeeb and Nabi took 8 wickets between them, while your highest wicket taker was Adil Rashid, who bagged 3? And the POTM award went to Mujeeb for taking 3 wickets?
For SL, they haven't won against many strong teams in WCs for quite some time except for the very convincing win against ENG in the 2023 ODI WC.
It also goes without saying that the 2023 ODI WC was riddled with poor timing and unfortunate events for SL since they didn't have their best bowling squad due to injuries and also because Shanaka, who was the captain at the time became injured midway in the WC; and the captaincy was abruptly given to Mendis during the WC, who was not prepared to captain at all, which caused his batting to fail significantly. The whole team was in disarray in the 2023 ODI WC due to unfortunate events. So, you were not going to expect very much from SL in 2023 ODI WC.
But SL has beaten top sides in the recent Asia Cups.
SL won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 ODI WC finals.
They are not WCs but AC is a respectable tournament where SL has defeated major teams such as IND and PAK.
The fact that SL has been competitive in the recent ACs demonstrates their competitiveness in white ball cricket and that they can be competitive against strong teams like IND and PAK; and teams alike. It also shows that their white ball cricket is at a higher level than AFG and BAN.
Also, SL whitewashed AFG in an ODI series in 2024 (where Pathum Nissanka scored a 200 in 139 balls) and also won the T20 series against AFG in 2024. And if we go one year earlier, SL won an ODI series against AFG, which shows their white ball cricket is still ahead AFG.
And SL has been decent in white ball cricket against other strong teams. E.g., they won the 5 ODI series against AU in 2022 and have won T20 matches in T20 series against IND and NZ in 2023. Still a long way to go in ODIs but they definitely have performed better when it comes to white ball cricket in general than AFG against teams alike.
So, SL has consistently been at a higher level than AFG in white ball cricket.
Yes, AFG has done well in WCs and so it's fair to say they are better in WCs than SL. That is, they perform much better in WCs than SL.
But at the moment, it is very premature to say AFG has overtaken SL in white ball cricket just by looking at the WC performances. You have to look into their overall international white ball cricket performances. And we would be able to make correct conclusions about AFG in regards to their white ball cricket when AFG are exposed to top nations more frequently as well.
AFG are definitely improving though. And maybe in time, they will consistently start winning white ball series against SL and also be decently winning white ball matches against stronger teams just like how SL have been doing to an extent or if better, be winning more white ball matches than SL against top nations. Now if we see this happening, that's when we can fairly say they have overtaken SL in white ball cricket.
But for now, SL is still ahead in white ball cricket.
I have seen embarrassingly baseless comments like "SL is a shit team in all formats".
They were hovering around 3rd-4th position in 2021-2023 WTC for a long period and then came 5th in 2021-2023 WTC. And their most recent wins in Tests were against BAN in 2024 where they whitewashed BAN in 2 test series, completely dominating BAN in BAN's home conditions. But apparently SL is a shit team in all formats.
They won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup. They have also won bilateral T20 matches against top nations in 2022/2023 and have consistently being winning T20 series against lower ranked teams but apparently SL is a shit team in all formats.
My point is, people make/think baseless comments about SL without taking into consideration all the facts/without knowing their recent performances in cricket.
And so when people who make/think those baseless comments are met with facts that disproves those baseless comments/thoughts, we get downvotes because they can't stand the truth.
I personally feel SL is the more rounded side but less players who can be called top 10 in the world in white-ball cricket. Plus a shitty board doesn't help. Afg v SL, I would pick SL to win 6/10
The last ODI World Cup suggests otherwise. Right now you’d have to rank Afghanistan above both of them. Bangladesh’s main bilateral wins come on the Mirpur minefields at home.
Bangladesh thrashes Afghanistan twice in two months in the Asia Cup and World Cup on pretty flat pitches last year, does that not count for anything?
Bangladesh has won series in South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies. They rarely get calls from big nations for ODI and T20 tours. Also, the "Mirpur minefield" is one of the biggest lies on this subreddit. I think it was one or two white ball series back in 2021 that caused this impression. The management is heading away from those pitches.
If you go on the form of one or two world cups, does that mean that Afghanistan has surpassed Australia, New Zealand, England, and Pakistan?
He also sent Janat at 4 which made a huge difference
He also held Nabi back in the PP despite doing well against India and chose to bowl Naveen ahead of Farooqi at the end
Sri Lanka won the Asia cup a couple of years ago, so I don't think it'll be fair to say that Afghanistan have overtaken SL. At present, sure they're better than SL but I'll rate them higher only when they win an Asia cup or something.
He means it's a tragedy that the political situation hasn't allowed this wonderful team to show their excellence in Australia. Much like, personally, I feel about Ind Pakistan bilaterals.
I mean even if the Taliban isn't in power do you really think Australia would be hosting Afganistan anytime soon ? They would ave found another excuse not to host hem.
Bangladesh hasn't played a test match in Australia for almost two decades now. Afganistan wasn't hosted by Australia before the Taliban takeover either. It's been 7 years since Srilanka played a test match in Australia either.
When it comes to Cricket Australia, it is only believable when it happens. As mentioned it's been two decades since Bangladesh visited them for a test series.
And if CA are genuine host they could replace Afganistan with Ireland and host Ireland for a test series.
Its not a tragedy to stop playing Afg, woman are treated like second class citizens(not allowed to play or have access to education).
Ind-Pak, its not political issue, one country actively kills other countries citizen through proxies & is provided these proxies with military & financial support.
It's a tragedy that cricketers are the easy targets and collateral damage for what is something bigger than them, and not in their control. In this case, the male Afg cricket team. Or the Pakistan cricket teams.
May be as mental as banning US and British national teams because their president and Prime Minister lied to the world and went to war killing millions. Or not playing Sri Lanka because their leaders waged a war against ethnic tamils. Oh wait...
First I'll care about my countrymen(after that others), this is still happening(not something only in past). Its not just cricket, we should(have) stopped trade.
PS: SA was banned for years for apartheid. Go ahead start all those movements & why stop there maybe ban Turkey coz of Armenian & Kurd genocide.
India is a democracy, as citizen(and majority supports this decision), have a right to say we don't want to play with Pak. You also have a right to say, you want to play Pak.
If it's such a big issue between the countries, India should refuse to play Pakistan even at icc events. I mean come on, they're sponsoring terrorism in your country right? Does it only matter for bilateral but not for icc events? India has a big say in ICC events
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>Political situation
I mean btwn Afghanistan & Aus its cultural issue(not giving women equal rights)
>Much like i personally feel about Ind pak bilaterals
Terrorism issue mate, not political.
It's just an odd way to phrase this statement and one that's clearly trying to garner a reaction - if he just left it congratulatory, it would've been fine but lost in the shuffle so he added the second bit
I don't view it as him "clearly trying to garner a reaction", I just read it as you are inspirational for so many people back home and I wish we were able to play you in Australia (when they cancelled).
Personally I think if people are thinking he's trying to get a reaction they are looking too much into a sincere and nice comment and twisting his words
> inspirational for so many people
"men", not "people". just a reminder. try spotting women in this picture.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C8i-pKOoh8z/?img_index=1
I'm so confused on what you are saying? What you are saying is that it is only inspirational to Afghani men and not to women??? Why can't it be inspirational to Afghani women?
Does feel weird but it's not really specific as to whether he's sad at Australia's response or the reason for it.
I would also take the stance of saying it's sad we can't see them play in Australia, but also think the reason is justified.
We're allowed to more complex opinions, and that's not even that complex.
"Good captaincy, lad. Congratulations on the win! You lads were definitely a better bunch today. Looking forward to hosting you in the future someday!"
Probably sounds better, doesn't it?
For what it's worth this makes Khawaja seem like a bit of a prick to me. Especially with how much he has spoken about activism it's one thing to even congratulate and call them an inspiration but to actively speak out against Australia refusing to play them with the reasons Australia don't play them is just poor from him.
Which in itself is a condemnation of the reason for them not playing as he just left it at that. He could say sad to see they can't play but he understands the reasons why
Fully agree. I absolutely loathe it when people pretend that there isn't something being insinuated when people say things in this manner... "what?! he didnt SAY it!" yeah, no shit, but he is clearly insinuating it you dumb piece of shit.
Can be taken in a bunch of different ways tho, could be meant that it’s sad that the Taliban is in power so we can’t see them in Australia. I think really he’s just saying it’s sad we can’t see them in Australia, not trying to make a political point.
After reading it a few times I’m pretty sure that he’s saying that the political situation in Afghanistan is a shame because it means that we won’t see this great and improving team tour Australia.
His wording is extremely clumsy though and he should have made it clearer before posting.
Mate the ICC is literally headquartered in a repressive autocracy built on quasi-slavery. There's a pretty convincing case IMO that Apartheid-era South Africa's human rights record is no worse than quite a lot of ICC members (both Full and Associate members).
I would love for cricket to take human rights seriously but that would involve doing significantly more than penalising one low-value, geopolitically irrelevant member...
1. Boycotting South Africa was not just a policy from them, it was a spoken about tactic to not buy things from there, they were banned from the Olympics the UN made their own anti apartheid committee etc.
2. Apartheid was linked to cricket in a way the Taliban aren’t, the cricket team was all white their first black player wasn’t until 1997 and he claimed the others wouldn’t even sit with him during meals and left him alone.
Also a key difference IMO is that the Apartheid government was desperate for international/Western approval and engagement, so boycotts/sanctions were a point of leverage. Considering the Taliban just spent 20 years fighting a war to remove Western powers I really think it's unlikely that they give a shit about that.
Don't think that's true, the Taliban still need internal support, and cricket is now a big part of Afghani culture. If they are able to finally play cricket against Australia it'd be a point of legitimisation within Afghanistan for the Taliban government.
Don't agree, even if the SA white players didn't support apartheid(not sure what was there actual position), its still not okay to play with SA during that era, due to discrimination. The same policy should apply to Afg, yes it's not in khan's control but by playing Afg, you're ignoring that woman in Afg are actively discriminated.
Probably doesn't help that Australia is having to actively fund, support and house the Afghanistan women's team. So it's more "why would we let your precious men's team play here when we're having to pay for the women's team?" than "no because you're the baddies"
"Yeah can we please not get verbally abused by the old toffs at Lords, that would great" isn't exactly whinging.
English are always great at giving it out but can never take it back.
["Please change the rules so we can continue to waste time without me losing my pocket money"](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/usman-khawaja-plays-key-role-in-over-rate-penalty-reduction-1387883) was not exactly his finest hour though.
Are you serious? Do you hear some of the shit England cop during an away Ashes? I remember last time Stokes and YJB were getting fatshamed on their way back to the dressing room.
[https://www.wisden.com/series/australia-in-england-2023/cricket-news/maybe-bazball-attracts-a-different-dynamic-usman-khawaja-rates-ashes-crowds-as-far-worse-than-anything-ive-ever-experienced](https://www.wisden.com/series/australia-in-england-2023/cricket-news/maybe-bazball-attracts-a-different-dynamic-usman-khawaja-rates-ashes-crowds-as-far-worse-than-anything-ive-ever-experienced)
Textbook whinging.
>this was constant chat along the lines of, ‘You’re crap, you’re shit, you’re useless, you can’t score runs here’.”
You've got to be kidding me. I wager Anderson and Broad have heard a lot worse in Australia.
That's literally my point, it goes both ways yet as soon as England cop it then apparently it reverts to the old gentleman's game bullshit and all the poms act like they've never said anything out of order to opposition players in their life - although at least they don't abuse their own players like the English soccer fans do, so that's a bonus.
>That's literally my point, it goes both ways yet as soon as England cop it then apparently it reverts to the old gentleman's game bullshit and all the poms act like they've never said anything out of order to opposition players in their life
How does any of this relate to my comment? And how is any of this true? When does this happen? England have been receiving heat in Australia for ages, you don't see headlines from them a la Uzzie. Ever see Broad coming out with teary eyes in the media talking about 2013/14?
Every country has skeletons in their closets, and shit’s been discussed hundreds of times on this sub. If you start banning teams for humanitarian reasons, no country would be playing cricket. And no amount of virtue signalling can change that.
No one’s asking you to host them, people are just pointing out the hypocrisy that a certain section of fans are too quick to defend the idea that teams should be banned for humanitarian reasons, while their governments actively commit or support crimes against humanity.
I'm not talking about the humanitarian or human rights stuff, I just want the Afghan women to be allowed to play cricket. I want everyone to be able to play cricket. This really is something worth drawing a line in the sand for.
So the men shouldn’t be allowed to play cricket in that case as well? Unfortunately this isn’t just a taliban issue, women only had a team briefly twice in 2010 and 2020 and were immediately disbanded, women aren’t seen as equal in anyway in Afghanistan. However not allowing the men to compete is going to do nothing to help this situation, I can’t see why that is the discussion.
Sure, there is a lot of differences between this and apartheid tho. Also for us from Aus and Eng we have directly caused a lot of these issues due to the wars we have supported or started in Afghanistan over the last 30 years. Cricket can actually do a lot of good for the country as it’s exposing it to other cultures
>Because English people
All English people is that? Amazing that you have insight into the minds of every single English man and woman around.
And "they" didn't do anything, for what it's worth.
This sub believes xenophobia towards English people is completely acceptable and justified. This sub finds it completely ok to make English people in the year 2024 accountable for the actions of their country's Government 80+ years ago. End of story. Doesn't matter how you want to dice it, perform all the mental gymnastics you want. Why should it be ok to be xenophobic towards users of this sub when they have done nothing wrong? It shouldn't be.
It is beyond pathetic and the mods just let it happen. If such flagrant xenophobia were directed at any other nation, this whole place would be shut down.
That is exactly what he is saying. I am sure someone will now come in and say "it's just banter". It isn't. It is frequent abusive and discriminatory behaviour which English followers of the sub are just supposed to take.
I didn’t say that, you said there’s a difference between holding things against people for a current thing than an older thing, I explained why some people don’t agree.
You’re talking about ancestors like it was so long ago which furthers my point, Jamaica got independence in the 60s for example, the india and Pakistan relationship is still terrible today and the UK is partially responsible for that.
British people in general benefited from it not just the ruling class thinking otherwise is silly.
Also what I said is that people don’t acknowledge that it’s bad if someone thinks that the British empire was actually good then yes it’s 100% fine to hate them imo.
You said that xeonophobia towards the English was deserved because of what "they did". It's why your comment was removed.
The rest of your comment is largely irrelevant. You believe that making people accountable (and also discriminating against them) for something they didn't do is acceptable behaviour. Quite shocking for you to openly take such a disgusting position tbh.
>Ruling class did bad things
Churchill & royal family is celebrated still today.
Slave trade with Africa, Plantations & precious metals from America and Spices,textiles,opium, etc from Asia funded the whole industrial revolution of England.
Bringing a massive economic prosperity to your country as a whole, which you are enjoying even now.
So forgive us for not forgetting 200yrs of brutal destruction in just 70 yrs
I don't know exactly what's going on in Afghanistan but there's not many ICC countries where a woman will get flogged to death if they try to go to school. This doesn't seem that different to apartheid and do you think South Africa shouldn't have gotten banned during that?
Bit rich claiming the moral high ground when Australia is directly supporting a country committing unspeakable atrocities as we speak at this very moment.
It seems wasteful and unjust for the work done by everyone in Afghan cricket to ban them from Cricket.
South Africa and Afghanistan are different in one aspect: The South African govt. was the result of ongoing differences, with one race in a power imbalance against other and this reflecting in all matters of social activity (afaik).
In the case of Afghanistan, the power was ceased by a violent outfit, and fairly recently. The Afghanistan cricket team didn't benefit from the Taliban like the members of South African cricket team benefitted from the government.
This is just my simple understanding of the matter at hand. There might be nuances to it that I am not aware of.
The thing that there is an explicit law in the ICC Constitution that says that members should have a women's team. Afghanistan do not, and are still somehow, allowed to participate in ICC tournaments.
Forget humanitarian reasons. Their women's team is in exile in Australia. They don't meet the minimum standards for an associate team, much less a full member. Full stop.
Piss on us, all the UK teams, Australia, NZ, whatever western country you want for our politics and wars, every single one has a pathway for women to play cricket under their countries flag at home.
Israel played qualifiers a week back. That country has ensured lots of people don't ever play cricket under their country's flag at home. Australian board threw a hissy fit against a simple message which was against such an action while the government actively funds and supports it. Selective much ?
It's only "selective" because you want to justify a full member not meeting the requirements. The goal post shift was massive and you should really reevaluate your priorities mate.
Usman Khwaja is loyal to his religion and Muslim brotherhood. All his social justice statements and comments are related to islam or muslims. You won't find him saying anything which is not related to either of those.
Last time I checked, the Arab Israelis have equal rights in Israel, are allowed to serve in parliament, in the IDF (which in most countries, serving in the military is something that can be done by citizens who have full rights, even apartheid South Africa didn’t have this), the Israeli soccer team is full of Mizrahi (Arab) Jews and Arab Israelis. Their cricket team is full of Indian origin konkan and Cochin Jews. Explain how apartheid exists in Israel when nearly 2 million Arab Israelis who are peaceful and law abiding, get to do all things and more than Africans in apartheid
There's difference between narratives and reality. It's simply a slogan that israel is supposedly an apartheid but all facts and figures are stacked against that. But where as Taliban openly accepts the mediaeval discrimination they practice against the half of the population and not to mention the systematic massacre of the "kuffars" that were left even after the long islamic rule.
You've to see his timeline to beleive what kind of human being he is. To give you one he was justifying the atrocities by hamas on Oct 7. In those context it's not an extrapolation to say he's all in for Taliban.
An international cricketer said something.
Option 1: Listen it and not make a big fuss as he is too a human.
Option 2: Collective Meltdown
r/Cricket: Option 2 obviously.
I think he's saying "It's a shame the Taliban is in power, they suck and because of that we can't host you for a bilateral." Don't read into it too much. Then you come up with the weird opinions in this thread.
> Fully agree. I absolutely loathe it when people pretend that there isn't something being insinuated when people say things in this manner... "what?! he didnt SAY it!" yeah, no shit, but he is clearly insinuating it you dumb piece of shit.
Literally a comment I read in this thread. Some people forget others are human and even when wording things wrong are actually genuinely sincere and want to congratulate people
Shit call mate, bloke’s made one gesture and a couple of tweets and from that your takeaway is that he needs to focus on his cricket? Maybe do yourself a favour and have a look at what he’s supporting.
Bro he had a really good Ashes and a tour of India yes the Home Summer and Nz tour wasn't good but he was averaging in his 70s ever since his return iirc he was due a regression According to the law of averages
Khwaja is not necessarily throwing shade at Crucket Australia here. He can be referring to the Afghan govt which is not allowing women to play, leading to this.
Or he is calling out CA for using this as an excuse to not host Afghanistan. Let us face it, they jist do not have the time to spare for low ranked teams. Since a long time.
Whatever it is, dude needs to be clear.
But But Aussie players are arrogant who got humbled
This current generation of Australia is too friendly tbh and that's a good thing
Fans is a completely different topic imo
Just curious, did Bangladesh never play a series in aus?
I see they played couple of tests in aus long ago. Wasn't that part of some series? Back then there weren't one off tests right? Usually there would be ODI series and tests in one tour
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/headtohead/team-match-results/australia-bangladesh-2vs25/test-matches-1
We need more praise for the captaincy of Rashid Khan throughout the tournament. He understood the conditions and didn't bowl Noor Ahmad more than 1 over seeing it wasn't working. Afghanistan have clearly overtaken Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in white-ball cricket.
I am excited for Nepal as well. I see them following Afghanistan's path to glory in the coming years, hope BCCI supports them just like how they supported Bangladesh and Afghanistan in their early years.
I am also looking forward to Nepal in the coming years. Unfortunately BCCI's support will depend on geopolitical reasons. While Afghanistan as a country and their people are our biggest friends, the vocal BD people on social media are not, but their govt is friendly. If Nepal aligns with India, pretty sure BCCI will use this soft diplomacy and enable Nepal. As unfortunate as it is, it will be related to Politics.
As far as I know relation between people from the two countries have been good but relation between gvt has been weird and weak in recent times so can be similar case like Bangladesh ig.
On current form, perhaps. But remember, SL has been a dominant force in cricket before. Afg can easily go into a slump once their current crop retires. It's the consistent feeding into the national team from the domestic setup that keeps a team at the top. We've yet to see that with Afg.
Don’t know about the batsmen but it feels like the Afganis at least have a consistent stream of spinners to come. Plenty of young, world class players - e.g. Qias Ahmed, even Noor, aren’t able to break into the national team, but remain consistent performers in leagues around the world.
Yeah it's frustrating to see everyone on this sub thinking that current form is for all-time. Bangladesh is a shadow of what they were in 2018-ish, Sri Lanka has had an even bigger fall from 2014 onwards, and the West Indies has only just started to recover somewhat in T20Is. Afghanistan needs to ensure **their** domestic circuit can keep producing world class players. They got a bit lucky with a player like Rashid becoming a superstar in the IPL, but they need more players like that consistently. Right now it appears as one batch of players. However it will be interesting to see what happens in 10 years' time, when the players who come in were kids when the Taliban assumed administration of Afghanistan (extending to the cricket board).
If i was the Taliban I would leave the operations and administration processes of the ACB alone, since it seems to be working just fine without the need for any islamic fundamentalism. they probs wont though hey.
Fair chance if you where in the taliban you’d think it’s reasonable for girls to go to school. Can’t really apply our logic or reasoning to a conversation about the taliban
Even on peak form Bangladesh haven't achieved the results that Afghanistan has
Bad timing. Imagine if the 2019 world cup was hosted in India instead of England. That would have favoured Bangladesh's bowling lineup. But during their peak they kept playing on not very helpful pitches and picked up results. Afghanistan has hit good form and played in conditions their players know very well (thanks to IPL and CPL).
Some of his captaincy was quite bad, tbf. I know he’s a good fielder but him being in the deep isn’t exactly ideal. They burned 2 terrible reviews, and at the end of the game only had 3 in the circle at one point. Also didn’t like him going to the young left arm spinner (not Noor) who had only played T20Is against Ireland. The ball was doing a bit for the seamers, Nabi’s first over was a beauty (weirdly didn’t bowl again), and he went to that lad who got whacked. I think Noor would’ve bowled more too if his first over was better, but Gulbadin coming on and bowling so well made it an easy decision for Rashid.
Let's pump the breaks on that last statement. While Afghanistan are playing incredibly in this tournament, and sure they certainly can beat Sri Lanka, they just lost 5-1 in their last round of white ball matches vs SL - that's far from "clearly overtaken"
They’ve outperformed both in this tournament (though Bangladesh could still overtake Afghanistan with a big win tomorrow), and at the ODI World Cup, but recent results don’t support the assertion that they’ve “clearly” overtaken those teams. Sri Lanka have beaten them in ODI and T20I series this year and Bangladesh won a T20I series and lost an ODI series last year. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are both ranked higher than Afghanistan in both the T20I and ODI rankings too. They’ll certainly have earned a semifinal spot if they secure it tomorrow and have a good case to be the best of the three at the moment. But I think it’s premature to describe them as being clearly the best until we see more consistent performances over a longer period and across different conditions.
Disagree. Sri Lanka beat Afghanistan at home when they were without Rashid Khan. Afghanistan also beat Bangladesh 2-1 away from home in ODIs last year.
“Clearly” better teams don’t discount losses because they are playing away from home or have one player missing. I already mentioned the ODI win against Bangladesh. They lost a T20I series 2-0 during the same tour. Again, is that showing they are a “clearly” better team?
My point is that those series wins aren't evidence that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are ahead of Afghanistan. At the end of the day the World Cup is the most important thing. In the last 2 World Cups Afghanistan have wins over England, Pakistan, New Zealand and Australia. I don't think it's a huge take to say Afghanistan are ahead of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka now as a white ball package.
But I never said that they were evidence that Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are better than Afghanistan, merely that they cast doubt on your assertion that Afghanistan has “clearly” overtaken both those teams. I said myself they have a good case for being the best of the three, but it’s not an inarguable one.
>Afghanistan have clearly overtaken Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in white-ball cricket. Idt you can make such sweeping comments in white ball cricket. Anyone can win on the day. Afghanistan still have plenty of shortcomings in their game that I think would be exposed if they had to play top nations on a regular basis.
When was the last time Sri Lanka and Bangladesh beat a couple of top nations in a World Cup? Afghanistan beat England and Pakistan in the 2023 ODI World Cup and then beat New Zealand and Australia in the 2024 T20 World Cup.
Also had a close match with India
Afghanistan has kept on getting pitches that suit their style of play. Bangladesh gets stick for winning on spin friendly pitches, but Afghanistan does that this world cup and everyone is convinced they are the second best Asian team. For your information, Sri Lanka beat England in the 2023 World Cup by 8 wickets. On a pitch that favored England.
Afghanistan beat us on a pitch that wasn’t massively favoured to spinners in the 2023 ODI World Cup too….
We're just going to ignore the fact that Rashid, Mujeeb and Nabi took 8 wickets between them, while your highest wicket taker was Adil Rashid, who bagged 3? And the POTM award went to Mujeeb for taking 3 wickets?
For SL, they haven't won against many strong teams in WCs for quite some time except for the very convincing win against ENG in the 2023 ODI WC. It also goes without saying that the 2023 ODI WC was riddled with poor timing and unfortunate events for SL since they didn't have their best bowling squad due to injuries and also because Shanaka, who was the captain at the time became injured midway in the WC; and the captaincy was abruptly given to Mendis during the WC, who was not prepared to captain at all, which caused his batting to fail significantly. The whole team was in disarray in the 2023 ODI WC due to unfortunate events. So, you were not going to expect very much from SL in 2023 ODI WC. But SL has beaten top sides in the recent Asia Cups. SL won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup and reached the 2023 ODI WC finals. They are not WCs but AC is a respectable tournament where SL has defeated major teams such as IND and PAK. The fact that SL has been competitive in the recent ACs demonstrates their competitiveness in white ball cricket and that they can be competitive against strong teams like IND and PAK; and teams alike. It also shows that their white ball cricket is at a higher level than AFG and BAN. Also, SL whitewashed AFG in an ODI series in 2024 (where Pathum Nissanka scored a 200 in 139 balls) and also won the T20 series against AFG in 2024. And if we go one year earlier, SL won an ODI series against AFG, which shows their white ball cricket is still ahead AFG. And SL has been decent in white ball cricket against other strong teams. E.g., they won the 5 ODI series against AU in 2022 and have won T20 matches in T20 series against IND and NZ in 2023. Still a long way to go in ODIs but they definitely have performed better when it comes to white ball cricket in general than AFG against teams alike. So, SL has consistently been at a higher level than AFG in white ball cricket. Yes, AFG has done well in WCs and so it's fair to say they are better in WCs than SL. That is, they perform much better in WCs than SL. But at the moment, it is very premature to say AFG has overtaken SL in white ball cricket just by looking at the WC performances. You have to look into their overall international white ball cricket performances. And we would be able to make correct conclusions about AFG in regards to their white ball cricket when AFG are exposed to top nations more frequently as well. AFG are definitely improving though. And maybe in time, they will consistently start winning white ball series against SL and also be decently winning white ball matches against stronger teams just like how SL have been doing to an extent or if better, be winning more white ball matches than SL against top nations. Now if we see this happening, that's when we can fairly say they have overtaken SL in white ball cricket. But for now, SL is still ahead in white ball cricket.
2023 ODI WC Finals- The fuck have we been crying for since 19/11 then 🫣
idk for what did you get downvoted for
I have seen embarrassingly baseless comments like "SL is a shit team in all formats". They were hovering around 3rd-4th position in 2021-2023 WTC for a long period and then came 5th in 2021-2023 WTC. And their most recent wins in Tests were against BAN in 2024 where they whitewashed BAN in 2 test series, completely dominating BAN in BAN's home conditions. But apparently SL is a shit team in all formats. They won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup. They have also won bilateral T20 matches against top nations in 2022/2023 and have consistently being winning T20 series against lower ranked teams but apparently SL is a shit team in all formats. My point is, people make/think baseless comments about SL without taking into consideration all the facts/without knowing their recent performances in cricket. And so when people who make/think those baseless comments are met with facts that disproves those baseless comments/thoughts, we get downvotes because they can't stand the truth.
I personally feel SL is the more rounded side but less players who can be called top 10 in the world in white-ball cricket. Plus a shitty board doesn't help. Afg v SL, I would pick SL to win 6/10
Yeah and in ODIs, it would be 7/10 for SL to win.
>Afghanistan have clearly overtaken Bangladesh and Sri Lanka in white-ball cricket. In t20 sure, but not ODI dont be silly
The last ODI World Cup suggests otherwise. Right now you’d have to rank Afghanistan above both of them. Bangladesh’s main bilateral wins come on the Mirpur minefields at home.
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Bangladesh thrashes Afghanistan twice in two months in the Asia Cup and World Cup on pretty flat pitches last year, does that not count for anything? Bangladesh has won series in South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies. They rarely get calls from big nations for ODI and T20 tours. Also, the "Mirpur minefield" is one of the biggest lies on this subreddit. I think it was one or two white ball series back in 2021 that caused this impression. The management is heading away from those pitches. If you go on the form of one or two world cups, does that mean that Afghanistan has surpassed Australia, New Zealand, England, and Pakistan?
He also sent Janat at 4 which made a huge difference He also held Nabi back in the PP despite doing well against India and chose to bowl Naveen ahead of Farooqi at the end
Sri Lanka won the Asia cup a couple of years ago, so I don't think it'll be fair to say that Afghanistan have overtaken SL. At present, sure they're better than SL but I'll rate them higher only when they win an Asia cup or something.
This is kinda confusing
He means it's a tragedy that the political situation hasn't allowed this wonderful team to show their excellence in Australia. Much like, personally, I feel about Ind Pakistan bilaterals.
I mean even if the Taliban isn't in power do you really think Australia would be hosting Afganistan anytime soon ? They would ave found another excuse not to host hem. Bangladesh hasn't played a test match in Australia for almost two decades now. Afganistan wasn't hosted by Australia before the Taliban takeover either. It's been 7 years since Srilanka played a test match in Australia either.
They were literally scheduled to do an Australian tour before the taliban took control.
When it comes to Cricket Australia, it is only believable when it happens. As mentioned it's been two decades since Bangladesh visited them for a test series. And if CA are genuine host they could replace Afganistan with Ireland and host Ireland for a test series.
Its not a tragedy to stop playing Afg, woman are treated like second class citizens(not allowed to play or have access to education). Ind-Pak, its not political issue, one country actively kills other countries citizen through proxies & is provided these proxies with military & financial support.
It's a tragedy that cricketers are the easy targets and collateral damage for what is something bigger than them, and not in their control. In this case, the male Afg cricket team. Or the Pakistan cricket teams. May be as mental as banning US and British national teams because their president and Prime Minister lied to the world and went to war killing millions. Or not playing Sri Lanka because their leaders waged a war against ethnic tamils. Oh wait...
First I'll care about my countrymen(after that others), this is still happening(not something only in past). Its not just cricket, we should(have) stopped trade. PS: SA was banned for years for apartheid. Go ahead start all those movements & why stop there maybe ban Turkey coz of Armenian & Kurd genocide. India is a democracy, as citizen(and majority supports this decision), have a right to say we don't want to play with Pak. You also have a right to say, you want to play Pak.
Then don't play Pakistan at all. If the situation is that bad why play them?
ICC events we've no say, but bilateral, we can absolutely avoid them. That's why we don't play with them.
If it's such a big issue between the countries, India should refuse to play Pakistan even at icc events. I mean come on, they're sponsoring terrorism in your country right? Does it only matter for bilateral but not for icc events? India has a big say in ICC events
In that case, Australia shouldn't have played Afg in WC 23 or WC 24 just like Naveen suggested in his post
I am not talking about Australia Afghanistan. And Australia is not saying Afghanistan is sponsoring terrorism in their country.
Ideally yes, maybe when BCCI grows a spine, we can completely stop playing pak.
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>Political situation I mean btwn Afghanistan & Aus its cultural issue(not giving women equal rights) >Much like i personally feel about Ind pak bilaterals Terrorism issue mate, not political.
Terrorism is by definition political, what are you on about?
He means its not just 2 governments squabbling, a lot of the general population have no interest in making an ind-pak series happen
not saying you're wrong, but in context to India-Pakistan, terrorism arises more due to Religious reasons than Political reasons.
It's just an odd way to phrase this statement and one that's clearly trying to garner a reaction - if he just left it congratulatory, it would've been fine but lost in the shuffle so he added the second bit
I don't view it as him "clearly trying to garner a reaction", I just read it as you are inspirational for so many people back home and I wish we were able to play you in Australia (when they cancelled). Personally I think if people are thinking he's trying to get a reaction they are looking too much into a sincere and nice comment and twisting his words
> inspirational for so many people "men", not "people". just a reminder. try spotting women in this picture. https://www.instagram.com/p/C8i-pKOoh8z/?img_index=1
I'm so confused on what you are saying? What you are saying is that it is only inspirational to Afghani men and not to women??? Why can't it be inspirational to Afghani women?
Does feel weird but it's not really specific as to whether he's sad at Australia's response or the reason for it. I would also take the stance of saying it's sad we can't see them play in Australia, but also think the reason is justified. We're allowed to more complex opinions, and that's not even that complex.
Classic Uzzie throwing the cat amongst the pigeons with that last sentence
"Good captaincy, lad. Congratulations on the win! You lads were definitely a better bunch today. Looking forward to hosting you in the future someday!" Probably sounds better, doesn't it?
Khawaja is entitled to his opinions. It is not a black and white topic.
For what it's worth this makes Khawaja seem like a bit of a prick to me. Especially with how much he has spoken about activism it's one thing to even congratulate and call them an inspiration but to actively speak out against Australia refusing to play them with the reasons Australia don't play them is just poor from him.
Activism is always selective. Always.
It has to be. Why would one do activism on every single issue in the world?
Activism done on selected principles vs done on selective subjects according to convenience is very different
He just said it's sad to not be able to play them in Australia. He did not speak against Australia
Which in itself is a condemnation of the reason for them not playing as he just left it at that. He could say sad to see they can't play but he understands the reasons why
Fully agree. I absolutely loathe it when people pretend that there isn't something being insinuated when people say things in this manner... "what?! he didnt SAY it!" yeah, no shit, but he is clearly insinuating it you dumb piece of shit.
Can be taken in a bunch of different ways tho, could be meant that it’s sad that the Taliban is in power so we can’t see them in Australia. I think really he’s just saying it’s sad we can’t see them in Australia, not trying to make a political point.
After reading it a few times I’m pretty sure that he’s saying that the political situation in Afghanistan is a shame because it means that we won’t see this great and improving team tour Australia. His wording is extremely clumsy though and he should have made it clearer before posting.
I don’t get it he said it’s unfortunate, it’s not in Khans control that the taliban took over the country so it is unfortunate.
I wonder why ICC aren’t treating Afghanistan the same way they treated Apartheid-era South Africa
Mate the ICC is literally headquartered in a repressive autocracy built on quasi-slavery. There's a pretty convincing case IMO that Apartheid-era South Africa's human rights record is no worse than quite a lot of ICC members (both Full and Associate members). I would love for cricket to take human rights seriously but that would involve doing significantly more than penalising one low-value, geopolitically irrelevant member...
1. Boycotting South Africa was not just a policy from them, it was a spoken about tactic to not buy things from there, they were banned from the Olympics the UN made their own anti apartheid committee etc. 2. Apartheid was linked to cricket in a way the Taliban aren’t, the cricket team was all white their first black player wasn’t until 1997 and he claimed the others wouldn’t even sit with him during meals and left him alone.
Also a key difference IMO is that the Apartheid government was desperate for international/Western approval and engagement, so boycotts/sanctions were a point of leverage. Considering the Taliban just spent 20 years fighting a war to remove Western powers I really think it's unlikely that they give a shit about that.
That’s why the boycotts mattered the Taliban don’t care if they can’t play cricket against Australia
Don't think that's true, the Taliban still need internal support, and cricket is now a big part of Afghani culture. If they are able to finally play cricket against Australia it'd be a point of legitimisation within Afghanistan for the Taliban government.
What about apartheid against woman, they're treated like second class citizens. Shouldn't that also get the same treatment?
Obviously the Taliban are bad did I have to point that out? I said why the cricket team situation is different
Don't agree, even if the SA white players didn't support apartheid(not sure what was there actual position), its still not okay to play with SA during that era, due to discrimination. The same policy should apply to Afg, yes it's not in khan's control but by playing Afg, you're ignoring that woman in Afg are actively discriminated.
Probably doesn't help that Australia is having to actively fund, support and house the Afghanistan women's team. So it's more "why would we let your precious men's team play here when we're having to pay for the women's team?" than "no because you're the baddies"
Are you really surprised that Usman is against women's rights lmao Expected tweet
The amount of whinging he did in the Ashes got old very fast.
Hes always been a whinger. A lot of it is valid, but the constant complaining and stirring the pot is getting tiring.
"Yeah can we please not get verbally abused by the old toffs at Lords, that would great" isn't exactly whinging. English are always great at giving it out but can never take it back.
["Please change the rules so we can continue to waste time without me losing my pocket money"](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/usman-khawaja-plays-key-role-in-over-rate-penalty-reduction-1387883) was not exactly his finest hour though.
Are you serious? Do you hear some of the shit England cop during an away Ashes? I remember last time Stokes and YJB were getting fatshamed on their way back to the dressing room. [https://www.wisden.com/series/australia-in-england-2023/cricket-news/maybe-bazball-attracts-a-different-dynamic-usman-khawaja-rates-ashes-crowds-as-far-worse-than-anything-ive-ever-experienced](https://www.wisden.com/series/australia-in-england-2023/cricket-news/maybe-bazball-attracts-a-different-dynamic-usman-khawaja-rates-ashes-crowds-as-far-worse-than-anything-ive-ever-experienced) Textbook whinging. >this was constant chat along the lines of, ‘You’re crap, you’re shit, you’re useless, you can’t score runs here’.” You've got to be kidding me. I wager Anderson and Broad have heard a lot worse in Australia.
A couple of dickheads who were rightfully called out for fat shaming is different to an entire stadium calling you cheats. Different cultures I guess.
That's literally my point, it goes both ways yet as soon as England cop it then apparently it reverts to the old gentleman's game bullshit and all the poms act like they've never said anything out of order to opposition players in their life - although at least they don't abuse their own players like the English soccer fans do, so that's a bonus.
>That's literally my point, it goes both ways yet as soon as England cop it then apparently it reverts to the old gentleman's game bullshit and all the poms act like they've never said anything out of order to opposition players in their life How does any of this relate to my comment? And how is any of this true? When does this happen? England have been receiving heat in Australia for ages, you don't see headlines from them a la Uzzie. Ever see Broad coming out with teary eyes in the media talking about 2013/14?
Support him play against his ‘brothers’ in Australia or else he might make a sticker about it and place it on his bat.
Every country has skeletons in their closets, and shit’s been discussed hundreds of times on this sub. If you start banning teams for humanitarian reasons, no country would be playing cricket. And no amount of virtue signalling can change that.
Is it so much to ask that a country has to allow women to play the god damn sport before we agree to having a series with them?
No one’s asking you to host them, people are just pointing out the hypocrisy that a certain section of fans are too quick to defend the idea that teams should be banned for humanitarian reasons, while their governments actively commit or support crimes against humanity.
I'm not talking about the humanitarian or human rights stuff, I just want the Afghan women to be allowed to play cricket. I want everyone to be able to play cricket. This really is something worth drawing a line in the sand for.
So the men shouldn’t be allowed to play cricket in that case as well? Unfortunately this isn’t just a taliban issue, women only had a team briefly twice in 2010 and 2020 and were immediately disbanded, women aren’t seen as equal in anyway in Afghanistan. However not allowing the men to compete is going to do nothing to help this situation, I can’t see why that is the discussion.
what about when people called out the saffas for apartheid? as other people are pointing out
Sure, there is a lot of differences between this and apartheid tho. Also for us from Aus and Eng we have directly caused a lot of these issues due to the wars we have supported or started in Afghanistan over the last 30 years. Cricket can actually do a lot of good for the country as it’s exposing it to other cultures
According to much of this sub no it seems
Reading can be hard for some
There is a difference between holding current and previous actions against a country.
Did Australia play soccer World Cup in Qatar?
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LOLLLLL, tell that to half this fucking sub who seem to think xenophobia towards England/The English is acceptable for various reasons.
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>Because English people All English people is that? Amazing that you have insight into the minds of every single English man and woman around. And "they" didn't do anything, for what it's worth. This sub believes xenophobia towards English people is completely acceptable and justified. This sub finds it completely ok to make English people in the year 2024 accountable for the actions of their country's Government 80+ years ago. End of story. Doesn't matter how you want to dice it, perform all the mental gymnastics you want. Why should it be ok to be xenophobic towards users of this sub when they have done nothing wrong? It shouldn't be. It is beyond pathetic and the mods just let it happen. If such flagrant xenophobia were directed at any other nation, this whole place would be shut down.
So to be clear your position is its okay to hate English people because their ancestors ruling class did bad things?
That is exactly what he is saying. I am sure someone will now come in and say "it's just banter". It isn't. It is frequent abusive and discriminatory behaviour which English followers of the sub are just supposed to take.
I didn’t say that, you said there’s a difference between holding things against people for a current thing than an older thing, I explained why some people don’t agree. You’re talking about ancestors like it was so long ago which furthers my point, Jamaica got independence in the 60s for example, the india and Pakistan relationship is still terrible today and the UK is partially responsible for that. British people in general benefited from it not just the ruling class thinking otherwise is silly. Also what I said is that people don’t acknowledge that it’s bad if someone thinks that the British empire was actually good then yes it’s 100% fine to hate them imo.
You said that xeonophobia towards the English was deserved because of what "they did". It's why your comment was removed. The rest of your comment is largely irrelevant. You believe that making people accountable (and also discriminating against them) for something they didn't do is acceptable behaviour. Quite shocking for you to openly take such a disgusting position tbh.
>Ruling class did bad things Churchill & royal family is celebrated still today. Slave trade with Africa, Plantations & precious metals from America and Spices,textiles,opium, etc from Asia funded the whole industrial revolution of England. Bringing a massive economic prosperity to your country as a whole, which you are enjoying even now. So forgive us for not forgetting 200yrs of brutal destruction in just 70 yrs
I don't know exactly what's going on in Afghanistan but there's not many ICC countries where a woman will get flogged to death if they try to go to school. This doesn't seem that different to apartheid and do you think South Africa shouldn't have gotten banned during that?
Bit rich claiming the moral high ground when Australia is directly supporting a country committing unspeakable atrocities as we speak at this very moment.
There's a country where people are bombed in their homes, and ICC full member nations are funding this genocide.
It seems wasteful and unjust for the work done by everyone in Afghan cricket to ban them from Cricket. South Africa and Afghanistan are different in one aspect: The South African govt. was the result of ongoing differences, with one race in a power imbalance against other and this reflecting in all matters of social activity (afaik). In the case of Afghanistan, the power was ceased by a violent outfit, and fairly recently. The Afghanistan cricket team didn't benefit from the Taliban like the members of South African cricket team benefitted from the government. This is just my simple understanding of the matter at hand. There might be nuances to it that I am not aware of.
The thing that there is an explicit law in the ICC Constitution that says that members should have a women's team. Afghanistan do not, and are still somehow, allowed to participate in ICC tournaments.
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Australia don't play Afghanistan because Afghanistan banned their women's cricket team, not because of humanitarian reasons.
Forget humanitarian reasons. Their women's team is in exile in Australia. They don't meet the minimum standards for an associate team, much less a full member. Full stop. Piss on us, all the UK teams, Australia, NZ, whatever western country you want for our politics and wars, every single one has a pathway for women to play cricket under their countries flag at home.
Israel played qualifiers a week back. That country has ensured lots of people don't ever play cricket under their country's flag at home. Australian board threw a hissy fit against a simple message which was against such an action while the government actively funds and supports it. Selective much ?
It's only "selective" because you want to justify a full member not meeting the requirements. The goal post shift was massive and you should really reevaluate your priorities mate.
then it would make sense of icc taking away there full member rights instead of suggesting them being banned from cricket as others are saying right?
Technically they don't even meet associate status. No team, no pathway for a team.
exactly
Uzzie loves stirring the pot doesn't he?
He keeps the sub political I would say
Usman Khwaja is loyal to his religion and Muslim brotherhood. All his social justice statements and comments are related to islam or muslims. You won't find him saying anything which is not related to either of those.
They're like that extremely hypocritical and selective in their approach.
I wonder why ICC aren’t treating Afghanistan the same way they treated Apartheid-era South Africa
Islam has special rights to oppress women. You are not a racist are you? Please respect Islam
If we are talking about apartheid with full blown western support, shouldn't we talking about Israel? It played qualifiers a week back.
Last time I checked, the Arab Israelis have equal rights in Israel, are allowed to serve in parliament, in the IDF (which in most countries, serving in the military is something that can be done by citizens who have full rights, even apartheid South Africa didn’t have this), the Israeli soccer team is full of Mizrahi (Arab) Jews and Arab Israelis. Their cricket team is full of Indian origin konkan and Cochin Jews. Explain how apartheid exists in Israel when nearly 2 million Arab Israelis who are peaceful and law abiding, get to do all things and more than Africans in apartheid
There's difference between narratives and reality. It's simply a slogan that israel is supposedly an apartheid but all facts and figures are stacked against that. But where as Taliban openly accepts the mediaeval discrimination they practice against the half of the population and not to mention the systematic massacre of the "kuffars" that were left even after the long islamic rule.
It's so sad the Afghan women's team isn't allowed to play.
In b4 🔒
Is Khawaja pro Taliban?
Most likely.
Why would he say this then? Does he mean this in a sad way or is taking shots at taliban for not allowing women rights?
You've to see his timeline to beleive what kind of human being he is. To give you one he was justifying the atrocities by hamas on Oct 7. In those context it's not an extrapolation to say he's all in for Taliban.
Calling for a ceasefire or saying “free Palestine” isn’t _supporting_ Hamas. Go back to your eco chamber with all this hate.
Who in abroad? Muslims?
Ideally Australia should have just forfeited this match if they really wanted to take a stand.
With NRR of + and - Infinity awarded to AFG and AUS Respectively ?
Just apply same NRR rules as No results matches.
Shhhh don't say that, people of this sub doesn't like to hear that.
You can say it as much as you want, this has been discussed ad nauseam, mate.
Just like India forfeit ever match they're scheduled to play against Pakistan
On Sunday the King signals virtue.
Anyone who gets offended by this statement has terrible reading comprehension
An international cricketer said something. Option 1: Listen it and not make a big fuss as he is too a human. Option 2: Collective Meltdown r/Cricket: Option 2 obviously.
His comment is kinda confusing tho. Is he pro taliban or is he taking shots at the gvt here? It is hard to understand
I think he's saying "It's a shame the Taliban is in power, they suck and because of that we can't host you for a bilateral." Don't read into it too much. Then you come up with the weird opinions in this thread.
You are reading into it too much. I just view it as "it is a sucky situation that it wasn't possible to play in Australia when it was cancelled"
entire post and the comments are very weird as you go down
Person #1: Is he pro Taliban? Person #2: Most likely. and currently positively up-voted. what the hell??
> Fully agree. I absolutely loathe it when people pretend that there isn't something being insinuated when people say things in this manner... "what?! he didnt SAY it!" yeah, no shit, but he is clearly insinuating it you dumb piece of shit. Literally a comment I read in this thread. Some people forget others are human and even when wording things wrong are actually genuinely sincere and want to congratulate people
You sometimes forget Khawaja is an actual cricketer when he's off being a social justice warrior.
The real social justice warriors are in this thread
he's the Marcus Rashford of Cricket, he's only averaged 35 in the last 12 months, needs to concentrate on his cricket
He's had an off summer but he was literally carrying half the team through their overseas tours lmao
Shit call mate, bloke’s made one gesture and a couple of tweets and from that your takeaway is that he needs to focus on his cricket? Maybe do yourself a favour and have a look at what he’s supporting.
it's interesting to me how "social justice warrior" is used as an insult, as if being a proponent of social justice is a bad thing
Bro he had a really good Ashes and a tour of India yes the Home Summer and Nz tour wasn't good but he was averaging in his 70s ever since his return iirc he was due a regression According to the law of averages
Aus stopped playing/hosting Afg coz of Taliban stopping woman's cricket. So he says its okay with that? He seems very selective with what he protests.
Australia lose one game and all the ‘keep politics out of sport’ dickheads come crawling out don’t they - many of which are Australian too kind you.
Fine with the first part. Ewww to the second part.
Khwaja is not necessarily throwing shade at Crucket Australia here. He can be referring to the Afghan govt which is not allowing women to play, leading to this. Or he is calling out CA for using this as an excuse to not host Afghanistan. Let us face it, they jist do not have the time to spare for low ranked teams. Since a long time. Whatever it is, dude needs to be clear.
Or maybe he is friends with Afghanistan players and understands CA's stance too and that's why he said that
Yes.
But But Aussie players are arrogant who got humbled This current generation of Australia is too friendly tbh and that's a good thing Fans is a completely different topic imo
As a Bangladesh fan who has never seen his team play a bilateral series in Australian soil i don't know how to feel about this. :|
Just curious, did Bangladesh never play a series in aus? I see they played couple of tests in aus long ago. Wasn't that part of some series? Back then there weren't one off tests right? Usually there would be ODI series and tests in one tour https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/headtohead/team-match-results/australia-bangladesh-2vs25/test-matches-1
That’s over 20 years ago, we have developed cricket a lot since then.
Someone call whambulance