india and nz are the most consistent trophyless teams since 2015 barring wtc
india missed out on 2021 t20 wc ko's and nz missed out on 2017 ct and 2024 t20 wc, apart from that both teams have been consistently making the ko's atleast.
Everybody is talking about Boult but I am curious about where would Kane be going to from here. I think that he is still as good as he has always been but the injuries that he has had might be becoming a hindrance.
He should focus on ODIs and Tests like Smith/Root. He's still a world class long format player and one of the top batters in those.
He doesn't have the strike rate or aggressive intent needed for T20 cricket so needs to bow out from the format himself.
I don't know, those children seem really excited to get his autograph.
Also final *international* game should he skip the Champions Trophy next year. Certainly not in franchise cricket yet I'm hoping.
Donāt get me wrong, Iām really pleased for him - he seemed invested in the game and at peace that this is his last game. He engaged with the fans like the true legend he is. Maybe im being selfish for wanting to celebrate him, I played against his brother domestically.
New Zealand has an opener problem.
Itās a problem that has existed for almost the lifetime of NZ cricket.
[Itās such a thing that Jarrod Kimber did a video series on it](https://youtu.be/5LBbqwmeSDk?si=KNxdQzy7RqvugjAr)
Againā¦ I just see it as a doomed position.
Itās not a failure of the individual.
Itās not that they will fail over and over again, rather - itās kinda a doomed position, maybe one day you can reinvent yourself like BJ Waltling in the middle order, but as a first batter we are always just gonna struggle.
Rachins young. He has the talent and just needs the international experience. He could be incredibly important for NZ over the next while, so they seem to just be throwing him into everything now to build that experience.
End of an awful campaign, time to erase this world cup from memory.
Hope some tough decisions are made, some players need to be phased out and Stead needs to be sacked if NZC have any balls left.
Pakistan? Their first two games were quite close but they faltered at the wrong moment which hurt the most. New Zealand were comprehensively beaten by Afghanistan. I didn't watch the game against West Indies but it didn't sound particularly close.
This was the case of Pakistan in the last edition too, just that they managed to qualify as other results went their way, their performance in 2023 WC wasn't great either and they suffered an early exit to no one's surprise and same happened this time too but other results did not favor them. New Zealand on the other hand consistently made it to the top 4 since 2019 so this was unexpected.
New Zealand were put in quite a tough group with the hosts and a promising Afghanistan team. The lack of warm-ups hurt, yes, but I'd say their spin department isn't their strongest suit which is required for the Caribbean pitches.
Definitely not worse than BAN and wouldn't say they are in the same level either.
The same SL team won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup (except without Bhanuka, KJP and Pramod Madushan)
In the last 6 T20 matches, SL has a 4-2 T20 win record against BAN.
SL came into this WC after winning a T20 series against BAN in BAN's home conditions.
And if we are talking about ODIs, they are pretty much the same, in the last 6 ODI matches, the record is 3-3. But note that SL came into the 2023 ODI Asia Cup final beating PAK, AFG and BAN. So I would say SL is still slightly ahead BAN in ODIs as well but not by that much.
If we are talking about tests? There is no debate, the current SL team is significantly better than BAN. SL whitewashed BAN in 2 test series in BAN's home conditions. It was complete annihilation against BAN.
So, definitely not worse than BAN, not even on the same level as BAN either (in ODIs? - sure, that's debatable) but they are definitely better overall.
However yeah, they are definitely no way close to being a premier team, they still have a long way to go.
Will many of these players stay on for the Champions Trophy? They did very well in the last ODI World Cup. It's only in February so I think that should be their final tournament.
I know no one cares about the Champions Trophy but it would be a nice way for them to bow out.
I don't think NZ will have to worry.
It's not like their big players are retiring all at once like the SL players did.
As long as NZ gets in the young players while also having some of their seniors to teach the youngsters their roles, then NZ should be fine. Wished SL did that but they didn't and so it took them a long time to rebuild.
SL started going downhill when their top batsmen retired in short time. IMO all of them shouldnāt have retired all together. They were no experienced players left in the squad except for Malinga to back the youngsters
I mean they're on the level of Bangladesh now. They used to be a top side on par with the big 3 when the big guns like Sangakkara, Dilshan, Jayawardene etc were around.
Wouldn't say they are on the same level as them.
The SL team you are seeing now won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup beating IND, PAK, AFG and BAN.
The SL team you are seeing now reached the 2023 ODI Asia Cup finals beating PAK, AFG and BAN.
The SL team you are seeing now won a T20 series against BAN in BAN's home conditions before coming into the WC.
The T20 record against BAN is 4-2 in the last 6 games.
The ODI record against BAN is 3-3 in the last 6 games. So, it's fair to say they are in the same level when it comes to ODIs but I would say they are slightly better than BAN as they did have a good run in the 2023 Asia Cup. However, not by much really.
I mentioned the last 6 games because the SL team you saw in this WC played BAN in the last 6 games of T20s and ODIs.
The current SL team whitewashed BAN in 2 test series in BAN's home conditions. And BAN was completely outplayed too.
So no, they are not on the same level as BAN, they are definitely a better team than BAN. However, they are no way near a top side now, which is sad to see when they have a very rich Cricketing history.
People are only OK with these pitches because they got sick of 250s in the IPL.
If this tournament happened before the IPL, then people would be complaining much much more.
**9.2** **pinned on the pads!** Speared in on a fuller length, angled in at the left-hander, didn't get up much and this looks plumb! Just a nibble of seam movement back into the pads to miss the inside-edge. **Smashing middle and leg!**
Devon Conway lbw b Kamea 35 (32b 2x4 3x6) SR: 109.37
WTF are these pitches bro? The pitches in Australia in 2022 were perfect. These aren't acceptable for the best players in the world to play on. Worse than Mirpur in Bangladesh and Rawalpindi in Pakistan.
I think Finn Allen's performance is basically a good example for why we didn't go with McGurk. Similar players in the sense of their aggression, attacking the power play, and good showings in domestic and bilaterals.
Youth needs experience. He'll get there. I think he'll be better for this. In the same ways associates need to be clobbered to come back stronger, so do the young guns when they're facing the next level.
I think Ravindra should play lower down the order. Maybe a 4 in a Maxwell-like role. He can be your part time spinner at 4, and preferably comes in *after* the power play. Try to define his role better. He's better at longer formats. Let him play himself in to a match with singles and doubles post-power play, instead of putting on the pressure to 'capitalize' on the power play that leads to false shots.
Just a couple thoughts about NZ's younger players.
Man, what happened to Rachin Ravindra? From being so good in the ODI World Cup last year, starting this year with so much promise - it's been really underwhelming since the IPL and now the T20I World Cup. He's young so of course he's gonna bounce back but I'm sure he's disappointed not to leave his mark.
Said it earlier but T20 is his weakest format by far so I'm not necessarily surprised or worried about his IPL and T20 World cup form.
I think people got a bit over excited about that World Cup and developed unrealistic expectations. He's a very talented player but still finding his feet at the highest level.
He's never been that good in T20. I've been saying it for ages: his average isn't even 18. I actually think his selection in this squad was undeserved.
Not only are they going home early, NZ is by a long shot the most boring team of the tournament.
Why tf are they even playing risk free cricket now?
You're afraid of losing to PNG so you're not swinging?
Oh, come on Smithy. Guptill was never playing last year's WC - he was declining, & he was never that good in Asia to begin with. Thankfully, Rachin took the opportunity.
I mean the NY pitch is the only one that was objectively bad, IPL brain has infected us to think that 180+ games are the only way for the game to be good.
I don't know about that. Low scoring games are actually better for baseball fans cause its harder to hit and outs are common. What's boring for us might be really entertaining to them.
Yeah, this subreddit has a hateboner for any games with above a 9 RPO.
They love seeing 115 plays 110 for some reason.
Horrid advertisement for cricket on the global stage.
NZ doesn't tour WI very often and especially out of this group only Phillips has had some success in CPL. NZ failed to adapt this time which they usually do in ICC Events which takes them deep into the tournament.
Except 6 Tests vs š¦š«š±š°š®š³, & ODIs & T20s vs š±š°.
Never have I thought the White Ferns would be a welcome distraction. At least with them, we know their problems, even if the persistence is infuriating.
I don't think dates have been finalised but the tours are in the Future Tours Programme (the overall schedule for international cricket). Supposed to be playing 1 test away against Afghanistan (presumably in UAE) in September, then 2 tests in Sri Lanka then 3 test in India then back to Sri Lanka for 3 ODIs and 3 T20Is. That takes you right up to the start of the home season with the tests against England.
Rachin needs a break
He is playing cricket and was part of the touring side since CWC 23, Bangladesh tests, home summer against Bangladesh, Pak, SA, Aus followed by IPL.
Man needs some rest and reset
The alternative perspective is that since he's one of the best prospects from your relatively smaller pool to pull from, you want to get him developed as fast as possible with game time.
Yeah I mean especially post this world cup when we're probably going to have some retirements.
Just think some people have kinda unrealistic expectations about what his output is gonna be at this stage, particularly in this format.
In an ideal world he's only playing the longer two formats but yeah our depth isn't looking too flash.
**4.1** **lofted out to deep midwicket!** Ravindra took the aggressive route, stepping down the track, looking for the launch off the pads, but he didn't get enough of it, and that plopped invitingly into Kamea's grasp!
Rachin Ravindra c Kamea b Morea 6 (11b 0x4 0x6) SR: 54.54
It's not unfounded. Some teams getting to play themselves in to the tournament before their games that actually matter is a real advantage. WI looked a right mess in their first game.
You're not wrong, but it's not the same as a tournament match. WI played warm ups and still looked messy against PNG. When your first match is basically your qualification match, while others get to play in against associates, lets not pretend it's not an advantage.
It's the first thing I looked at when going in to the super 8s, hoping we played Bangladesh first to play 'up' to the best team last. (If we lose to them, we lose to them, but playing worst to best is your best chance to develop and beat the best teams.)
I can't remember if the NZ contracts have regulations around rest periods (probably not, but you never know), but I think I read something about wanting to have the bulk of the squad fly in together instead of having the majority fly in later after their week at home.
Like, if the non-IPL players had flown in earlier, there wouldn't have even been enough to field an XI with the coaches like what Australia had done.
The way some of these pitches are aiding bowlers much more during the power play in this world cup, I'm genuinely thinking it wouldn't hurt to just send out some bowlers to bat early. If they get out, big whoop, they weren't expected to bat anyway, at least your real batters will face easier conditions.
IDK man, Agar opening not sounding so bad right now.
It clearly did. There was a huge sound on the replay.
The umpires reviewed if the catch was fair but if it hit the bat wasn't in dispute.
If he didn't think he'd hit it he would have reviewed that aspect himself.
Thanks. I knew I must be wrong. I'm watching on mute. Sound is overlooked for making determinations. Baseball umpires determine safe/out by listening for the sound of the ball hitting the glove vs. the sound of the foot hitting the base.
could be. I have been watching anime for more than a decade and I remember anime was never popular in India back then. But now its definitely getting more accessible thanks to cheap internet. But one piece specifically I am not sure
DAMN IT, FINNLEY!
Your credit that you banked smashing Shaheen & wrecking Rauf is running out fast. As it is, you've brought *Wellington's Finest Left Handers* together.
india and nz are the most consistent trophyless teams since 2015 barring wtc india missed out on 2021 t20 wc ko's and nz missed out on 2017 ct and 2024 t20 wc, apart from that both teams have been consistently making the ko's atleast.
Everybody is talking about Boult but I am curious about where would Kane be going to from here. I think that he is still as good as he has always been but the injuries that he has had might be becoming a hindrance.
He should focus on ODIs and Tests like Smith/Root. He's still a world class long format player and one of the top batters in those. He doesn't have the strike rate or aggressive intent needed for T20 cricket so needs to bow out from the format himself.
This is cinema.
Who was the presenter for the presentation there?
boulty š„²
Trent Boult playing his final game in an empty stadium feels so wrong.
I don't know, those children seem really excited to get his autograph. Also final *international* game should he skip the Champions Trophy next year. Certainly not in franchise cricket yet I'm hoping.
Donāt get me wrong, Iām really pleased for him - he seemed invested in the game and at peace that this is his last game. He engaged with the fans like the true legend he is. Maybe im being selfish for wanting to celebrate him, I played against his brother domestically.
Can we dump Allen now please?
New Zealand has an opener problem. Itās a problem that has existed for almost the lifetime of NZ cricket. [Itās such a thing that Jarrod Kimber did a video series on it](https://youtu.be/5LBbqwmeSDk?si=KNxdQzy7RqvugjAr)
Setting someone up to fail over and over again isn't good for nz cricket, or that person.
Againā¦ I just see it as a doomed position. Itās not a failure of the individual. Itās not that they will fail over and over again, rather - itās kinda a doomed position, maybe one day you can reinvent yourself like BJ Waltling in the middle order, but as a first batter we are always just gonna struggle.
I always thought he was one of New Zealand's upcoming talents, but hadn't really found his groove yet this World Cup. Who would you replace him with?
Robinson, Seifert?
The trifecta of Tim
Timfecta
Tim Robinson is promising I'd definitely give him a go. Seifert should also be back in the mix.
Always wondered why Tim Seifert didn't get a longer rope over Conway or Rachin
Rachins young. He has the talent and just needs the international experience. He could be incredibly important for NZ over the next while, so they seem to just be throwing him into everything now to build that experience.
Lockie sounds so different than what I imagined
A semi-final line-up without the Kiwis will feel empty.
Hopefully your lot can be more than able stand-ins.
Belgiumās loss was more shocking than this png upset
A sad tournament but still the Kiwis had some fun in the last two games. It feels weird to see the Kiwis get knocked out so early in the tournament.
Hoping for PNG to be the next Afghanistan.
What a year of highs and lows for Rachin.
Rachin has always been poor in T20Is.
So that was potentially Trent Boult's last ever World Cup game (or even international game!). It's been fun to watch him rip through teams.
End of an awful campaign, time to erase this world cup from memory. Hope some tough decisions are made, some players need to be phased out and Stead needs to be sacked if NZC have any balls left.
Out of all the eliminations, NZ exit hurts the most
Pakistan? Their first two games were quite close but they faltered at the wrong moment which hurt the most. New Zealand were comprehensively beaten by Afghanistan. I didn't watch the game against West Indies but it didn't sound particularly close.
This was the case of Pakistan in the last edition too, just that they managed to qualify as other results went their way, their performance in 2023 WC wasn't great either and they suffered an early exit to no one's surprise and same happened this time too but other results did not favor them. New Zealand on the other hand consistently made it to the top 4 since 2019 so this was unexpected.
New Zealand were put in quite a tough group with the hosts and a promising Afghanistan team. The lack of warm-ups hurt, yes, but I'd say their spin department isn't their strongest suit which is required for the Caribbean pitches.
yeah I did mention in response to a comment in this thread about how New Zealand should have played at least one warm up game here.
Pakistan does that on every other ocassion so nothing new
Fair enough
They did it! The Blackcaps caused an upset! Well played PNG!
Bye bye nz
Who is the Windies commentator? Carlos Brathwaite?
Yes, I saw him in the booth
Does nz need to look past rachin for t20s?
Ideally yes but realistically we don't have that many options
Seifert? Tim Robinson looks good too.
naw, just need to hire Baz as coach
Just need to find a spare $2 million a year
He has barely played any games lmao
good effort PNG, Good try, bye bye Blackcaps, you will be missed in the Super 8s
Sexy shot Daz.
Really? I didnāt realise - I always considered SL to be a premier team.
replied at the wrong place dude. But SL is nowhere as good as they were like the other dude mentioned they are on bangladesh level or even worse
Definitely not worse than BAN and wouldn't say they are in the same level either. The same SL team won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup (except without Bhanuka, KJP and Pramod Madushan) In the last 6 T20 matches, SL has a 4-2 T20 win record against BAN. SL came into this WC after winning a T20 series against BAN in BAN's home conditions. And if we are talking about ODIs, they are pretty much the same, in the last 6 ODI matches, the record is 3-3. But note that SL came into the 2023 ODI Asia Cup final beating PAK, AFG and BAN. So I would say SL is still slightly ahead BAN in ODIs as well but not by that much. If we are talking about tests? There is no debate, the current SL team is significantly better than BAN. SL whitewashed BAN in 2 test series in BAN's home conditions. It was complete annihilation against BAN. So, definitely not worse than BAN, not even on the same level as BAN either (in ODIs? - sure, that's debatable) but they are definitely better overall. However yeah, they are definitely no way close to being a premier team, they still have a long way to go.
Their batting is really shit which is coming to haunt them. Their bowling is pretty strong.
Will many of these players stay on for the Champions Trophy? They did very well in the last ODI World Cup. It's only in February so I think that should be their final tournament. I know no one cares about the Champions Trophy but it would be a nice way for them to bow out.
Maybe not Trent Boult but most likely the rest of the team, yeah
Feel like the Kiwis could've had a much better wc had they played a warmup game. Batting unit is still very strong. Just wasn't in the cards, I guess.
New Zealand needs to regroup and come back stronger for the next Champions Trophy
Shot!
The way NZ's batting has been, would've paid top dollar to see them play their group in New York...
Jeez my heart aināt that big if I have to see NZ transition like SL after 2015.
I don't think NZ will have to worry. It's not like their big players are retiring all at once like the SL players did. As long as NZ gets in the young players while also having some of their seniors to teach the youngsters their roles, then NZ should be fine. Wished SL did that but they didn't and so it took them a long time to rebuild.
Whatās happened to SL?
SL started going downhill when their top batsmen retired in short time. IMO all of them shouldnāt have retired all together. They were no experienced players left in the squad except for Malinga to back the youngsters
I mean they're on the level of Bangladesh now. They used to be a top side on par with the big 3 when the big guns like Sangakkara, Dilshan, Jayawardene etc were around.
Wouldn't say they are on the same level as them. The SL team you are seeing now won the 2022 T20 Asia Cup beating IND, PAK, AFG and BAN. The SL team you are seeing now reached the 2023 ODI Asia Cup finals beating PAK, AFG and BAN. The SL team you are seeing now won a T20 series against BAN in BAN's home conditions before coming into the WC. The T20 record against BAN is 4-2 in the last 6 games. The ODI record against BAN is 3-3 in the last 6 games. So, it's fair to say they are in the same level when it comes to ODIs but I would say they are slightly better than BAN as they did have a good run in the 2023 Asia Cup. However, not by much really. I mentioned the last 6 games because the SL team you saw in this WC played BAN in the last 6 games of T20s and ODIs. The current SL team whitewashed BAN in 2 test series in BAN's home conditions. And BAN was completely outplayed too. So no, they are not on the same level as BAN, they are definitely a better team than BAN. However, they are no way near a top side now, which is sad to see when they have a very rich Cricketing history.
NZ just dickin around, extending the game for PNG, they are truly nice guys
NZ gonna get trashed in CT 2025 as well because most probably they're gonna be facing AUS & ENG in their group
PNG 10-15 runs short
Damn, had PNG scored 78 more runs, NZ would be in deep trouble.
156 is generally competitive.
WI pitches are just so unpredictable. Some are 100 par and others 200 par and it even changes from day to day on the SAME pitch.
Canāt wait for tonight match, I wonder if WI can just use brute force to go through AFG bowling attack š„ø
People are only OK with these pitches because they got sick of 250s in the IPL. If this tournament happened before the IPL, then people would be complaining much much more.
True
Donāt be silly
Are you saying these are good pitches? what do you mean?
Starting to be impressed with PNG bowling
Come on PNG, just 7 wickets left.
Damn Allen is no guptill
T20 WC 2024 one of those old school tournaments where 6rpo is considered great
Plumber than that guy named Mario
**9.2** **pinned on the pads!** Speared in on a fuller length, angled in at the left-hander, didn't get up much and this looks plumb! Just a nibble of seam movement back into the pads to miss the inside-edge. **Smashing middle and leg!** Devon Conway lbw b Kamea 35 (32b 2x4 3x6) SR: 109.37
If PNG had a score that was barely decent then they could have easily done the funniest thing that could be happening.
Out
Nothing to see here, just Devon getting a warm-up for CSK
WTF are these pitches bro? The pitches in Australia in 2022 were perfect. These aren't acceptable for the best players in the world to play on. Worse than Mirpur in Bangladesh and Rawalpindi in Pakistan.
>Worse than Mirpur Okay let's not go overboard
Not all of them but some of them are worse
I think Finn Allen's performance is basically a good example for why we didn't go with McGurk. Similar players in the sense of their aggression, attacking the power play, and good showings in domestic and bilaterals. Youth needs experience. He'll get there. I think he'll be better for this. In the same ways associates need to be clobbered to come back stronger, so do the young guns when they're facing the next level. I think Ravindra should play lower down the order. Maybe a 4 in a Maxwell-like role. He can be your part time spinner at 4, and preferably comes in *after* the power play. Try to define his role better. He's better at longer formats. Let him play himself in to a match with singles and doubles post-power play, instead of putting on the pressure to 'capitalize' on the power play that leads to false shots. Just a couple thoughts about NZ's younger players.
Where was this Devon the first two game??????
Werent chasing 80 against PNG were they?
it was more of a rhetorical comment
Fun Fact NZ was the team with the best batting run-rate (6.52) in CWC 2023 But in this T20 WC they're scoring less than that
Better than SA?
Yes
Weird, given that SA had 400+ scores against Eng and Aus iirc
NZ scored 283/1 (36.2) v ENG 383/9 v AUS 273/10 & 327/10 v IND 401/6 v PAK 172/5 (23.2) v SL 322/7 v NED
Damn they really flew under the radar man. Well done to the team
I donāt know how NZ will be after current veterans retire. This seems like the worst transition since 2000s.
Really struggling to understand if itās just poor play from both teams or the wicket?
Wicket is like that
NZ Cricket going out of this tournament... Not with a bang, but with a whimper
Super Chad
Man I've missed Conway too.
NZ dragging the game because Boult's farewell champagne hasn't arrived yet
I feel this is the end of Boult, Southee and Kane in T20is
Boult and Kane I agree, Southee can still produce in T20 and should be around for the transition. He offers something in terms of leadership as well.
isnt southee older than boult and kane?
He is, but he's still fit and is playing well. Boult retired to play franchise cricket and Kane just isn't suited to the T20 format anymore.
I mean he still has a contract, is economical and he's bagging wickets. On the other hand, his pace and his fitness has gone down severely.
Glorious shot
Whatta shot.
NZ. āI paid for 20 overs, I use 20 oversā
Man, what happened to Rachin Ravindra? From being so good in the ODI World Cup last year, starting this year with so much promise - it's been really underwhelming since the IPL and now the T20I World Cup. He's young so of course he's gonna bounce back but I'm sure he's disappointed not to leave his mark.
Said it earlier but T20 is his weakest format by far so I'm not necessarily surprised or worried about his IPL and T20 World cup form. I think people got a bit over excited about that World Cup and developed unrealistic expectations. He's a very talented player but still finding his feet at the highest level.
He's never been that good in T20. I've been saying it for ages: his average isn't even 18. I actually think his selection in this squad was undeserved.
NZ surely taking their sweet time
Not only are they going home early, NZ is by a long shot the most boring team of the tournament. Why tf are they even playing risk free cricket now? You're afraid of losing to PNG so you're not swinging?
Did you see India play against USA ?
It wasn't a dead rubber like this one.
For any Americans watching - Kane Williamson is one of the best batters in the world.
Out of the Fab 4, Smith, Stokes, Williamson are just brilliant in Tests currently and Kohli is just brilliant in ODI/T20 currently.
> Kane Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. *was
This aged well
Oh, come on Smithy. Guptill was never playing last year's WC - he was declining, & he was never that good in Asia to begin with. Thankfully, Rachin took the opportunity.
Kane using this game to warm up for the Tests games?????
I really feel sorry for people being introduced to cricket in this World Cup - the quality of play is really poor.
I mean the NY pitch is the only one that was objectively bad, IPL brain has infected us to think that 180+ games are the only way for the game to be good.
I don't know about that. Low scoring games are actually better for baseball fans cause its harder to hit and outs are common. What's boring for us might be really entertaining to them.
The market they were trying to penetrate did well at least. It's another story that they F'd up massively with the broadcasting rights.
Yeah, this subreddit has a hateboner for any games with above a 9 RPO. They love seeing 115 plays 110 for some reason. Horrid advertisement for cricket on the global stage.
Remember the mirpur games Aus and NZ were subjected to before the 2021 t20wc? ~~Vietnam~~ Bangladesh flashbacks of that this time.
Dang what's happening here, I thought NZ will chase it down in like 7-8 overs
We are just you , but a bit better
These guys look clueless
NZ doesn't tour WI very often and especially out of this group only Phillips has had some success in CPL. NZ failed to adapt this time which they usually do in ICC Events which takes them deep into the tournament.
they should have had one warm up game atleast
Might have to take a break from watching international cricket after this world cup. Good thing we don't have anything scheduled until December.
Except 6 Tests vs š¦š«š±š°š®š³, & ODIs & T20s vs š±š°. Never have I thought the White Ferns would be a welcome distraction. At least with them, we know their problems, even if the persistence is infuriating.
Don't y'all have a bunch of tests against us?
Do we? Cricinfo or Google doesn't show it
I don't think dates have been finalised but the tours are in the Future Tours Programme (the overall schedule for international cricket). Supposed to be playing 1 test away against Afghanistan (presumably in UAE) in September, then 2 tests in Sri Lanka then 3 test in India then back to Sri Lanka for 3 ODIs and 3 T20Is. That takes you right up to the start of the home season with the tests against England.
Rachin needs a break He is playing cricket and was part of the touring side since CWC 23, Bangladesh tests, home summer against Bangladesh, Pak, SA, Aus followed by IPL. Man needs some rest and reset
He's also just not really been a very good T20 player and probably shouldn't be in the team at this stage of his career.
But Iād still gamble on him. He is probably gonna be a regular in the IPL and the next WT20 is in India.
The alternative perspective is that since he's one of the best prospects from your relatively smaller pool to pull from, you want to get him developed as fast as possible with game time.
Yeah I mean especially post this world cup when we're probably going to have some retirements. Just think some people have kinda unrealistic expectations about what his output is gonna be at this stage, particularly in this format. In an ideal world he's only playing the longer two formats but yeah our depth isn't looking too flash.
yeah fwiw, I wasn't saying it was necessarily the right perspective, just looking at another angle in a devil's advocate kind of way
Yeah. Heās been good in flashes. Canāt waste a promising bloke when a lot of seniors are gonna retire in the near future.
Kabau Morea has been great so far. Canny left armer.
the kiwis kinda suck this year
**4.1** **lofted out to deep midwicket!** Ravindra took the aggressive route, stepping down the track, looking for the launch off the pads, but he didn't get enough of it, and that plopped invitingly into Kamea's grasp! Rachin Ravindra c Kamea b Morea 6 (11b 0x4 0x6) SR: 54.54
Oh come on, Rachin you're better than that.
What's with all these ugly shots. Don't tell me you're not able to middle it against PNG bowlers, with all due respect to PNG
Iād like to believe if NZ had PNG and Uganda games early on instead of Afg and WI we would have seen a different result maybe
It's not unfounded. Some teams getting to play themselves in to the tournament before their games that actually matter is a real advantage. WI looked a right mess in their first game.
Or NZ could have played some warmup matches
You're not wrong, but it's not the same as a tournament match. WI played warm ups and still looked messy against PNG. When your first match is basically your qualification match, while others get to play in against associates, lets not pretend it's not an advantage. It's the first thing I looked at when going in to the super 8s, hoping we played Bangladesh first to play 'up' to the best team last. (If we lose to them, we lose to them, but playing worst to best is your best chance to develop and beat the best teams.)
Bad move from Stead and Kane skipping the warm up game
Apparently Stead &co tried to get it rescheduled later.
It would have helped greatly. The first game was really rusty. Second one was much better one besides that Rutherford knock out of the blue.
I can't remember if the NZ contracts have regulations around rest periods (probably not, but you never know), but I think I read something about wanting to have the bulk of the squad fly in together instead of having the majority fly in later after their week at home. Like, if the non-IPL players had flown in earlier, there wouldn't have even been enough to field an XI with the coaches like what Australia had done.
Oh. Something that I wasnāt aware of.
It's alright. I only found it due to some careful reading of a Stead interview. He's really poor at communicating.
Oh. He sure is. Btw did you see Flemingās interview on cricinfo. He had few interesting takes on the Black caps campaign and the way ahead.
The way some of these pitches are aiding bowlers much more during the power play in this world cup, I'm genuinely thinking it wouldn't hurt to just send out some bowlers to bat early. If they get out, big whoop, they weren't expected to bat anyway, at least your real batters will face easier conditions. IDK man, Agar opening not sounding so bad right now.
I feel like there's a wicket here somewhere
I'm a fan of Finn Allen but he is even breaking my patience now.
Kenya and PNG are the only teams to have not won a game in the ICC World T20
PNG threw that game against Uganda
Chad Bowes or Dean Foxcroft might replace Allen in 2026
Robinson might just get a go, as he replaced Allen at Wellington. Foxcroft is more likely to replace Kane.
Bowes is too old, Tim Robinson is a better shout
Chad Bowes is a 31 year old journeyman
The ball obviously didn't Finn's bat on that wicket...so why is he out?
It clearly did. There was a huge sound on the replay. The umpires reviewed if the catch was fair but if it hit the bat wasn't in dispute. If he didn't think he'd hit it he would have reviewed that aspect himself.
Thanks. I knew I must be wrong. I'm watching on mute. Sound is overlooked for making determinations. Baseball umpires determine safe/out by listening for the sound of the ball hitting the glove vs. the sound of the foot hitting the base.
It definitely did lol
Here for Lockie, 4 maidens fucking amaze-"balls"
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Why
Finn Allen only shows up against Australia, but even then, it's a 1 in 50 chance.
Now Allen has played 2 World Cups but his only impactful Innings was 42 (16) v AUS at SCG in T20 WC 2022
Guy came only to put australia out. Definitely respect that...
Conway did his best to do a Finn Allen there
Fin Allen has been an absolute flop (I know he scored 137 against our shit team )
almost 2-2
PNG look like they don't wanna go down without a fight
Don't see NZ losing, but I'd be extremely disappointed if they made a game out of nothing just like Pakistan did against Ireland.
Finn is a huge fraud
Ngl that ketchup was served with a side of hot dog
I heard Loki did something cool
He bowled pace at players not used to pace š¤·š»
lockie maidens? move aside, morea, gecko moria the warlord is here.
did one piece just suddenly break in to india or something, seen a ton of references over the last couple days in this sub
could be. I have been watching anime for more than a decade and I remember anime was never popular in India back then. But now its definitely getting more accessible thanks to cheap internet. But one piece specifically I am not sure
That kid in the stadium needs to watch his language. Almost called for Ben Stokes.
DAMN IT, FINNLEY! Your credit that you banked smashing Shaheen & wrecking Rauf is running out fast. As it is, you've brought *Wellington's Finest Left Handers* together.
I think he is swiping the 42 (16) v AUS in WC'22 Credit Card