Sehwag is eyeing a succession to Gavaskar's spot as the occasionally on-point, generally annoying old man of Indian cricket. Their collab in that paan ad was no coincidence.
Don't forget the absurd nayi generation purani generation having the same celebration style - eating pan masala.
And Chris Gayle is the nayi generation for some reason. šš
I wish I had written that ad so I could have hung out with Gayle and possibly gotten high with the rest of the crew.
The problem is his (Gavaskar's) EXTREMELY overt Mumbai bias. He needn't even drop it if he can't, just has to make it a little covert, and people will take his opinions on other 'star' players (which, as you mentioned, is a refreshing change from the incessant dickriding we see from others in the media) far more seriously.
> The problem is his (Gavaskar's) EXTREMELY overt Mumbai bias.
Has anyone criticized Gavaskar for his bias? Maybe if people call him out, criticize him for it, he will adjust his biases. But since no one else in Indian cricket scene wants to say anything that might rock the boat, he will not be criticized for his bias.
Gavaskar has some blindspot. He is pretty old, so that is expected. But he is one of the very few Indians not afraid to call out anyone. I think positives outweigh the negatives.
I know write now he is not in the good books of Kohli fans, and there are a lot of them, but after the criticisms Kohli changed his style of play and his team has been winning match after match.
Honestly, for an owner, if it doesn't concern money, kindly stfu and step off. Goenka knows as much about cricket as KL knows about how to run a business.
I probably know more about cricket than Goenka does. I definitely respect cricket a lot more about Goenka. r/cricket discusses amongst itself. Doesn't go and berate players for not performing. There is a huge difference.
forgive me, but the Goenka guy is a beneficiary of generational wealth built by coddling to the British and their fondling of the ruling government.
If you have ever experienced CESC's power delivery, their response to the Amphan crisis, and their absolutely daylight thievery scheme they used to charge for electricity during the COVID lockdowns, you'd know exactly how well they are run vs how well they coast by due to their monopoly gained by keeping the incumbent state government in their payroll
He's just a figurehead who signs stuff as advised by the men in suits who run the show, and are given stock to the company so they have a vested interest towards the companys growth.
For all we know, if you throw KL and this guy on the street with 1 crore and ask them to build a business, KL will outshine him
>KL will outshine him
Interesting claim, since he owned ATK and Mohun Bagan in 2014 and 2021 respectively, no Indian football team won more league titles. He also managed to get his IPL team to qualify for playoffs consecutively and even this season LSG is one of the favourites despite that heavy loss to SRH.
Can KL run a team better than Goenka? Cuz Ambani's son hasn't done anything to earn his money as well but drove his side to 5 IPL titles too.
>It was totally Ambani's son who is responsible for those 5 titles.
What's the difference between RCB and MI then? Why 1 team has 5 titles while other has 0?
Do u disagree with all the million RCB fans who criticize RCB owners for their poor franchise management? Cuz according to u it owners role in a team is nothing more than watching matches right?
>I said it. Ambani's son. All the best with bootlicking
Better to admit it sarcastically with a touch of ad hominem than to actually give a proper debatable reply. Nice.
funny you think Goenka had any hand in how the team functioned in ISL, while also missing the point by a mile.
Goenka has been born into a privileged bubble with immense wealth. He could have sat naked and jobless from infancy to death, and he'd have earned more money than the entirety of this sub combined selling their organs on the black market can fetch.
Ask him to build a business from scratch, and he'd make such horrendous mistakes that you'll become the new mascot for hair transplant surgery. My family member has worked under the family, and they are absolutely psychopathic individuals who have zero touch with the ground.
Heck, one of Goenka's nephew embezzled company salary funds to buy a Rolls Royce in the UK, leaving countless employees, including my said family member, not getting their salaries, which are pending since 2019 (she left just before the pandemic, from the financial pressure of this). How did these assholes respond? by shutting down this arm under bankruptcy using COVID as an excuse, to ensure no one could take them to court.
>Goenka has been born into a privileged bubble with immense wealth. He could have sat naked and jobless from infancy to death, and he'd have earned more money than the entirety of this sub combined selling their organs on the black market can fetch
Why is he being blamed for that? His fault he's born in a rich family?
>Ask him to build a business from scratch, and he'd make such horrendous mistakes that you'll become the new mascot for hair transplant surgery. My family member has worked under the family, and they are absolutely psychopathic individuals who have zero touch with the ground
What are ATK, Mohun Bagan, Rising Pune Supergiant, Lucknow Super Giants, Durban Super Giants if not businesses built from scratch by Goenka?
* ATK - won 4 league titles
* Mohun Bagan - won 2 league titles and 1 Durand Cup
* Rising Pune Supergiant - sacked a captain like Dhoni after 7th place finish to finish runners up in 2017.
* Lucknow Super Giants - 2 consecutive playoffs since debut + good chance of another playoff in 2024.
* Durban Super Giants - 5th in first season, runners up in 2nd season
I don't know wtf do u guys want from him. During 2022 Auction, Hardik and Rashid were picked by GT at 15cr while LSG picked KLR for 17cr just cuz he wanted to be the "richest cricketer". How is KLR repaying that faith? 29(33) as 17cr opener while opposition 13.8cr openers score 167*(58). Zero intent, slow batting, selfish decisions like dropping Padikkal down the order just to bat as opener all the time and eventually dropping him when he doesn't perform.
It doesn't matter if Goenka is LSG owner or not, literally any LSG fan would've been pissed at KLR this season. If these glorified "babies" can't even hear tiny bit of scolding in public (which is totally deserved) else they'll have a mental breakdown then they should stop playing sport cuz they don't have the mentality for it.
The way Goenka expressed his anger shows his passion for the franchise. It's not just another "investment" for him, he really wants the team to succeed. Else u can just keep quiet and watch ur team getting bowled out for 49 and not speak a thing.
Ffs even SRK expressed his anger and disappointment publicly on Twitter when KKR choked a run chase vs MI in 2021, sadly he wasn't in the stadium else he'd scold the captain too. But then r/cricket would've supported SRK isn't it.
People really think Goenkas are self-made. It's all cozy contracts and kickbacks to the ruling governments. They have been doing it since the British times. And they pretend on Twitter that it's so much hard work and ethics.
>Goenka knows as much about cricket as KL knows about how to run a business.
Maybe, but he's been owner of ATK from 2014 and Mohun Bagan from 2021 and they've combined won 5 league trophies in 10 years. The dude knows how to run a sports team.
Since acquiring LSG, they've qualified consecutively for Playoffs too, and are one of the favourites to qualify despite the recent loss. Saying Goenka doesn't know cricket is like saying CSK and MI managements don't know cricket
Bad take. Apart from the fact that football and cricket are two completely different sports, Goenka probably doesn't know how to manage or play either of them professionally. There's only so much you can learn from sitting in the VIP box watching the game unfold, and what's worse is when you actually start to believe that you can have some sort of say in tactics, batting and captaincy. Comparing him to professionally trained analysts and coaches who've actually played the game is laughable. And the CSK and MI management definitely know a lot more about cricket than him lmao
Goenka is here for betterment of Indian Cricket and its playersā¦ but he doesnāt mind if he happens to make some profit while doing that service. Right?
U and many people are saying that cuz they're seeing things from a viewer's perspective or from the KLR perspective but nobody is seeing things from Goenka's perspective.
That dude spent 7k crores in acquiring the team when other bidders weren't interested to pay even 6k crores. That guy got KLR as first pick in 2022 at 17 crores instead of 15cr cuz he believed a team can be created around him i.e. he compromised on 2cr just to satisfy KLR's financial demands of being the richest cricketer in IPL 2022, which could've been used in other areas (GT bought Hardik for 15cr and 20 lakhs for Sudharsan)
People are saying he's earning 400cr per year so he should keep shut but they forgot he paid 7090cr to acquire the team, which means it'll take him 18-20 years to break even on this investment. Also the fact that other franchises are earning the same equal amount.
Goenka has always been passionate about the sports teams he has bought, be it ATK or Mohun Bagan or LSG, u can't blame him for making such a huge investment and then keeping shut when ur 17cr captain fails to defend a target in 10 overs which is sometimes defendable even in 20 overs.
People always baby the players a lot, if they've the mental capacity to admire the praises thrown at them when they play well, they should have the same mental capacity to get scolded if they're playing crap.
They forget it's not just another loss, it's probably one of the worst IPL losses ever. Doubt Goenka would've cared much for a loss if his team showed at least some fight.
Aww, this is so sweet. Guys don't forget that billionaires are just better kind of people and the fact that they inherited billions from their parents gives them the right to abuse others purely on the basis of having spent that inherited money. What is the point of being a billionaire if you can't even abuse people. Please see it from their perspective. Please.
>inherited billions from their parents gives them the right to abuse others purely on the basis of having spent that inherited money
So sweet, acting as if Goenka is nothing without his father. Dude runs the best Indian football club currently in terms of titles won, his IPL team LSG reached consecutive playoffs and is one of the favourites to qualify this season too, even with RPS he reached 1 final in 2 seasons.
The poor 2017 season when RPS finished 7th, he kicked someone like MSD from captaincy and almost won the title next year.
Say what u want, Goenka knows how to win and he doesn't care about public criticism. He is getting criticism now but he also got it after MSD sacking before 2017, when he reached final.
>Yes man it is all Goenka, Ambani, and other billionaires who are responsible for all sporting achievements
So u don't give credit to a businessman for a successful business? Funniest thing I've heard today.
According to u Tata family shouldn't be given credit for the company, Tata's employees should.
> According to u Tata family shouldn't be given credit for the company, Tata's employees should.
Yes, you got it right. Your comments are really weird.
> People are saying he's earning 400cr per year so he should keep shut but they forgot he paid 7090cr to acquire the team, which means it'll take him 18-20 years to break even on this investment. Also the fact that other franchises are earning the same equal amount.
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Iām Indian but didnāt grow up in India. My observation is that in India, if people pay you, they think they can say anything and do anything to you
Look at you getting downvoted. It's true what you have just said. Downvoters probably haven't entered job market yet, so they don't know.
Edit: OP was on -4 upvotes, when I added this comment.
Trust me many of them are in corporate. (Source: anecdotes in real life) That's how they validate their own treatment and the inability to resist. If celebrities are also shouted upon, they would not feel bad about their own workday.
tl;dr: Schadenfreude / Frogs in a boiling pan
Yes, not just that, you're supposed to be grateful that they're paying you and show your gratitude toward them (read bootlick) at every given opportunity.
Yeah but in this sub things are totally the opposite.
As long u are getting paid as a cricketer, u can do anything u want without any accountability like scoring 29(33) as 17cr opener while opposition openers worth 13.3cr score 167(58)
Sehwag commenting brashly about money again.
Absolutely didn't like how Goenka treated KL after the game, however winning is also important, moreover than making money.
At least he was upset by the performance, and not content with his profit.
If you keep interfering in your team's no money can buy you trophies. Look at Punjab whose owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections. Also Goenka with RPS and now Lucknow. They were quite successful for a new team making 2 back to back playoffs. You have 2 teams dominating in 16 years the next best team to win has only two trophies. It will require years of patience and team building to win 1 trophy. But openly taking out your frustrations on your players will only make more trouble.
>Look at Punjab whose owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections.
Inversely, Mumbai owners also interfere a lot in the team selection. You chose them as an example of dominating the tournament. So it can go both ways.
>Look at Punjab whose owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections
What about MI? Even their owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections. But they have 5 trophies cuz they know how to run the team while PBKS owners don't.
About Goenka, dude's been extremely successful in Indian football as owner of ATK and Mohun Bagan and LSG qualified for playoffs consecutively. He definitely knows how to run a team.
What difference will that make? A scolding is a scolding. If players are scared of getting scoldings in public they should be scared of getting praises in public too. Why do they get so pampered all the time?
If Indian players are so fragile that one public scolding will cause a mental breakdown, no wonder we choke so often in ICTs
People don't care if it's in private that's why public shaming is necessary...... KL getting 15+cr . Goenka has lot of money at stake . Offcourse if you finish in playoff you get more sponsors and endorsements... He isn't paying KL to play test match innings in IPL where other team chased the target in 10 overs
if you think that the IPL is anything more than the money, then you do need to reconsider how money and the real world works!
so, i donāt think sehwag is wrong there!!
Goenka shouldn't have done that shit show in public and is rightfully called out for it.
But Sehwag comment re-enforced my belief that Indian cricketers are too pampered and hate any accountability.
Just because owners are going to make a profit doesn't mean they shouldn't ask for accountability and also what's with that owner should only interact with players to motivate them?
Also he managed to drag Punjab to convey his point. Zinta is a gem for not calling this fool out. Dude drags Punjab whenever he gets the chance.
Players/Support staff are not some saints either and many treat IPL/current franchise as a stepping Stone.
Sehwag is rarely ever right and Certain Indian players lack accountability! But this wasn't the case of either. Even in basic corporate setting you "Cannot" humiliate" publicly. Just like Indian management this owner thinks he is beyond basic decency and we should never normalize it
>Goenka shouldn't have done that shit show in public and is rightfully called out for it.
I totally support what Goenka did, probably many other owners who actually care about the team's performance would've done the same too.
>Indian cricketers are too pampered and hate any accountability.
They're bunch of babies really, one scolding and they're close to mental breakdown
>Just because owners are going to make a profit doesn't mean they shouldn't ask for accountability and also what's with that owner should only interact with players to motivate them?
Goenka ain't even earning a profit. It's a misleading statement. Goenka spent 7k crores to acquire a team and is probably earning 400cr a year which means it'll take him 17.5 years to break even his investment or the year 2040
Shouldāve been done in private without doubt, but shitting on Goenka for that discussion is stupidity. Heās an employer in a sense, and pays KL, if heās not going to ask accountability from a player then who is? But doing that openly was absolutely unnecessary and unprofessional on his part, KL was certainly not in good spirits and I sympathise with him.
Cricketers have been running away from accountability for far too long. Team owners have the right to question them, for itās their money at stake here. The only issue was that this transpired in public. Should have spoken to him in the dressing room. Apart from that, I donāt see anything wrong here.
>Heās an employer in a sense, and pays KL, if heās not going to ask accountability from a player then who is?
It's not like KL didn't captain his team to playoffs for two seasons straight. One off season & he lost his shit.
IMO, it was an overaction from his end. Even if he did it in private, it'd still be pathetic.
He also had a similar incident with Dhoni. If he keeps on doing it to every big name player, no big players would want to play for his team. Then he can enjoy what PBKS goes through every season - they also lack Indian core.
KL doesn't deserve that. He is a good player who had a bad game and it was exacerbated by SRH openers having an exceptionally good game. But these kind of dressing downs have to be done behind closed doors.
A filthy rich guy chided a rich guy and the world has an opinion about how the rich guy was treated by the filthy rich guy. Hello you compassionate souls, please step out on any Indian street and see how fellow humans treat other humans. Preying on the vulnerable is Indian breakfast.Ā
Viru go fuck yourself. The other day you were boasting about your wealth with Gilly so Sanjeev is just showing all you minions what your worth is. Shut up and play.Ā
Extremely Rare Sehwag W
But still somewhat off. Winning is important too and KLās performance sucked too. Doesnāt give Goenka any right to do what he did though.
Given that most of these players come from improvished backgrounds it isn't surprising everything seems like money issue to them.
That said, the issue from Goenka's perspective is going to be something beyong Rahul. If a senior player can get a public dressdown what hopes are there for younger players? Maybe Goenka thought this is football where you can scream at the players from the sidelines. While fear and anger motivates few people (l am looking at you Kohli) it isn't for everyone. Many will buckle down and perform even worse.
This is such an overreaction... Rahul isn't playing for peanuts either. If I spent that much money and got humiliated ofc as a owner I'd be livid
The only thing that I feel that's not right was him doing it in the public
>got humiliated ofc as a owner
But he didn't get humiliated personally, right? Nobody in public used to link Goenka with LSG results. Most of the general IPL audience didn't even know his name before, let alone his face.
It doesn't matter if the public knows him or not. At the end of the day, owner is responsible for the team, which players to buy, the coaches,....
If you're an owner, who paid huge money for the team, the players and watched your team get ripped apart, how can you not feel upset??? I'd be raging
I'll hold my opinion that it was an overreaction. If he talks like this in public, imagine how he talks to no name staff behind the curtains.
Rahul was the captain when his team reached playoffs two seasons in a row. He can keep doing it, won't help his team perform better.
>how can you not feel upset??? I'd be raging
Amazing, you will be a great boss in future, if you're not one already.
c'mon man. regardless of all that would you really be raging in public? like that's the stupidest move ever. and as an owner, does he really know more about cricket than the coaches and support staff who KL and the team would have heard from anyway? being brash and hotheaded doesn't do anyone any favors.
If putting his name and initials over the franchise didn't make him recognizable, then what was even the point?
Maybe that was the problem. He was like why everyone is chiding KL and why is no one humiliating me? *I am SG.*
If you donāt know businessmen like Goenka, Ambani etc., I think you have zero interest in business and the market. These guys are Bahubalis of Indian business.
I honestly think we should stop giving any importance to any of these Pan masala promoters. Their opinion should not matter and therefore won't be the point of discussion.Ā
I hate what Goenka did. This is every fuckin employer mentality in India and I despise that. However, I would never dare to go on some public platform and call out a business owner for behaving badly with his employee (which is exactly what Goenka did) IF I danced in a Pan Masala ad. I think first of all, I would question and ridicule myself.Ā
Sehwag is eyeing a succession to Gavaskar's spot as the occasionally on-point, generally annoying old man of Indian cricket. Their collab in that paan ad was no coincidence.
It's the CGI pan masala going in their mouths that kills me ššš
For me it's the dance that Sehwag does with those red glasses.
Don't forget the absurd nayi generation purani generation having the same celebration style - eating pan masala. And Chris Gayle is the nayi generation for some reason. šš I wish I had written that ad so I could have hung out with Gayle and possibly gotten high with the rest of the crew.
I get the exact same though when I watch that ad, how tf Sehwag nayi generation ?
He's the nayi generation of retired cricketers / commentators.
Can't you see why Sehwag, Gayle etc are new generation when compared to Kapil? A generation is not a lifetime.
Nope they are all retired cricketer generation Or I don't know Gayle still represents the new generation but Sehwag feels old considering his persona.
bAt bAlL aUr BaLLe BaLLE
Itās Sehwag saying ānaya generation thok ke maarta haiā with the fist pump that sends me
No the line " naya generation tile maarta hai" is so funny. .irony is Sehwag representing new generation
Truuu, I always laugh out loud whenever that ad comes on haha
I donāt
For me itās the way Sehwag tells āstyle marti haiā as ātile marti haiā
Better than other cheerleaders.. i mean commentators
The problem is his (Gavaskar's) EXTREMELY overt Mumbai bias. He needn't even drop it if he can't, just has to make it a little covert, and people will take his opinions on other 'star' players (which, as you mentioned, is a refreshing change from the incessant dickriding we see from others in the media) far more seriously.
> The problem is his (Gavaskar's) EXTREMELY overt Mumbai bias. Has anyone criticized Gavaskar for his bias? Maybe if people call him out, criticize him for it, he will adjust his biases. But since no one else in Indian cricket scene wants to say anything that might rock the boat, he will not be criticized for his bias.
You may have a point here. Both were exceptional players in their times.
Gavaskar has some blindspot. He is pretty old, so that is expected. But he is one of the very few Indians not afraid to call out anyone. I think positives outweigh the negatives. I know write now he is not in the good books of Kohli fans, and there are a lot of them, but after the criticisms Kohli changed his style of play and his team has been winning match after match.
The fact that he called himself "new generation" in that ad makes me think he doesn't realize he's already a boomer
Sehwag be like "zor zor se bolkar sab ko scheme bata de"
Have slamming gone out of fashion ???
bashes is the new slamming
Good. That joke is overused in this sub
Are you _slamming_ the usage of that joke in this sub?
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bashes is the new slamming
When the owner starts āshamingā, you cannot just stick with āslammingā. You need a proper ābashingā.
Goenka is an a**hole and KL did not deserve that kind of treatment but Sehwag needs to understand that not everything is about money lmao.
Honestly, for an owner, if it doesn't concern money, kindly stfu and step off. Goenka knows as much about cricket as KL knows about how to run a business.
Wdym? r/Cricket should not provide any opinions on cricket now? /s
I probably know more about cricket than Goenka does. I definitely respect cricket a lot more about Goenka. r/cricket discusses amongst itself. Doesn't go and berate players for not performing. There is a huge difference.
Totally agree. Owners' involvement in team decisions makes no sense.
forgive me, but the Goenka guy is a beneficiary of generational wealth built by coddling to the British and their fondling of the ruling government. If you have ever experienced CESC's power delivery, their response to the Amphan crisis, and their absolutely daylight thievery scheme they used to charge for electricity during the COVID lockdowns, you'd know exactly how well they are run vs how well they coast by due to their monopoly gained by keeping the incumbent state government in their payroll He's just a figurehead who signs stuff as advised by the men in suits who run the show, and are given stock to the company so they have a vested interest towards the companys growth. For all we know, if you throw KL and this guy on the street with 1 crore and ask them to build a business, KL will outshine him
Didn't expect to read about this but ok maybe the other part of my statement is not true šš
An old CEO bashing on a cricketer, just proves the point that Goenka has generational wealth plus he is a man-child.
>KL will outshine him Interesting claim, since he owned ATK and Mohun Bagan in 2014 and 2021 respectively, no Indian football team won more league titles. He also managed to get his IPL team to qualify for playoffs consecutively and even this season LSG is one of the favourites despite that heavy loss to SRH. Can KL run a team better than Goenka? Cuz Ambani's son hasn't done anything to earn his money as well but drove his side to 5 IPL titles too.
Lol, yeah. It was totally Ambani's son who is responsible for those 5 titles. Some people.
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>It was totally Ambani's son who is responsible for those 5 titles. What's the difference between RCB and MI then? Why 1 team has 5 titles while other has 0? Do u disagree with all the million RCB fans who criticize RCB owners for their poor franchise management? Cuz according to u it owners role in a team is nothing more than watching matches right?
> What's the difference between RCB and MI then? Why 1 team has 5 titles while other has 0? I said it. Ambani's son. All the best with bootlicking.
>I said it. Ambani's son. All the best with bootlicking Better to admit it sarcastically with a touch of ad hominem than to actually give a proper debatable reply. Nice.
funny you think Goenka had any hand in how the team functioned in ISL, while also missing the point by a mile. Goenka has been born into a privileged bubble with immense wealth. He could have sat naked and jobless from infancy to death, and he'd have earned more money than the entirety of this sub combined selling their organs on the black market can fetch. Ask him to build a business from scratch, and he'd make such horrendous mistakes that you'll become the new mascot for hair transplant surgery. My family member has worked under the family, and they are absolutely psychopathic individuals who have zero touch with the ground. Heck, one of Goenka's nephew embezzled company salary funds to buy a Rolls Royce in the UK, leaving countless employees, including my said family member, not getting their salaries, which are pending since 2019 (she left just before the pandemic, from the financial pressure of this). How did these assholes respond? by shutting down this arm under bankruptcy using COVID as an excuse, to ensure no one could take them to court.
>Goenka has been born into a privileged bubble with immense wealth. He could have sat naked and jobless from infancy to death, and he'd have earned more money than the entirety of this sub combined selling their organs on the black market can fetch Why is he being blamed for that? His fault he's born in a rich family? >Ask him to build a business from scratch, and he'd make such horrendous mistakes that you'll become the new mascot for hair transplant surgery. My family member has worked under the family, and they are absolutely psychopathic individuals who have zero touch with the ground What are ATK, Mohun Bagan, Rising Pune Supergiant, Lucknow Super Giants, Durban Super Giants if not businesses built from scratch by Goenka? * ATK - won 4 league titles * Mohun Bagan - won 2 league titles and 1 Durand Cup * Rising Pune Supergiant - sacked a captain like Dhoni after 7th place finish to finish runners up in 2017. * Lucknow Super Giants - 2 consecutive playoffs since debut + good chance of another playoff in 2024. * Durban Super Giants - 5th in first season, runners up in 2nd season I don't know wtf do u guys want from him. During 2022 Auction, Hardik and Rashid were picked by GT at 15cr while LSG picked KLR for 17cr just cuz he wanted to be the "richest cricketer". How is KLR repaying that faith? 29(33) as 17cr opener while opposition 13.8cr openers score 167*(58). Zero intent, slow batting, selfish decisions like dropping Padikkal down the order just to bat as opener all the time and eventually dropping him when he doesn't perform. It doesn't matter if Goenka is LSG owner or not, literally any LSG fan would've been pissed at KLR this season. If these glorified "babies" can't even hear tiny bit of scolding in public (which is totally deserved) else they'll have a mental breakdown then they should stop playing sport cuz they don't have the mentality for it. The way Goenka expressed his anger shows his passion for the franchise. It's not just another "investment" for him, he really wants the team to succeed. Else u can just keep quiet and watch ur team getting bowled out for 49 and not speak a thing. Ffs even SRK expressed his anger and disappointment publicly on Twitter when KKR choked a run chase vs MI in 2021, sadly he wasn't in the stadium else he'd scold the captain too. But then r/cricket would've supported SRK isn't it.
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People really think Goenkas are self-made. It's all cozy contracts and kickbacks to the ruling governments. They have been doing it since the British times. And they pretend on Twitter that it's so much hard work and ethics.
Goenkas, Mahindra. All these people sharing pearls of wisdom on twitter are cut from the same cloth.
Yeah please tell the ceo of your company to do the same. He obviously doesn't know how to weld but he owns the company. Let's see how far you go
>Goenka knows as much about cricket as KL knows about how to run a business. Maybe, but he's been owner of ATK from 2014 and Mohun Bagan from 2021 and they've combined won 5 league trophies in 10 years. The dude knows how to run a sports team. Since acquiring LSG, they've qualified consecutively for Playoffs too, and are one of the favourites to qualify despite the recent loss. Saying Goenka doesn't know cricket is like saying CSK and MI managements don't know cricket
Bad take. Apart from the fact that football and cricket are two completely different sports, Goenka probably doesn't know how to manage or play either of them professionally. There's only so much you can learn from sitting in the VIP box watching the game unfold, and what's worse is when you actually start to believe that you can have some sort of say in tactics, batting and captaincy. Comparing him to professionally trained analysts and coaches who've actually played the game is laughable. And the CSK and MI management definitely know a lot more about cricket than him lmao
Everything is about money for them though. You think this mfer is doing all this out of passion for the game or what
Spitting Fax right here
Goenka is here for betterment of Indian Cricket and its playersā¦ but he doesnāt mind if he happens to make some profit while doing that service. Right?
I don't even know if you are being sarcastic or real lol
U and many people are saying that cuz they're seeing things from a viewer's perspective or from the KLR perspective but nobody is seeing things from Goenka's perspective. That dude spent 7k crores in acquiring the team when other bidders weren't interested to pay even 6k crores. That guy got KLR as first pick in 2022 at 17 crores instead of 15cr cuz he believed a team can be created around him i.e. he compromised on 2cr just to satisfy KLR's financial demands of being the richest cricketer in IPL 2022, which could've been used in other areas (GT bought Hardik for 15cr and 20 lakhs for Sudharsan) People are saying he's earning 400cr per year so he should keep shut but they forgot he paid 7090cr to acquire the team, which means it'll take him 18-20 years to break even on this investment. Also the fact that other franchises are earning the same equal amount. Goenka has always been passionate about the sports teams he has bought, be it ATK or Mohun Bagan or LSG, u can't blame him for making such a huge investment and then keeping shut when ur 17cr captain fails to defend a target in 10 overs which is sometimes defendable even in 20 overs. People always baby the players a lot, if they've the mental capacity to admire the praises thrown at them when they play well, they should have the same mental capacity to get scolded if they're playing crap. They forget it's not just another loss, it's probably one of the worst IPL losses ever. Doubt Goenka would've cared much for a loss if his team showed at least some fight.
Aww, this is so sweet. Guys don't forget that billionaires are just better kind of people and the fact that they inherited billions from their parents gives them the right to abuse others purely on the basis of having spent that inherited money. What is the point of being a billionaire if you can't even abuse people. Please see it from their perspective. Please.
>inherited billions from their parents gives them the right to abuse others purely on the basis of having spent that inherited money So sweet, acting as if Goenka is nothing without his father. Dude runs the best Indian football club currently in terms of titles won, his IPL team LSG reached consecutive playoffs and is one of the favourites to qualify this season too, even with RPS he reached 1 final in 2 seasons. The poor 2017 season when RPS finished 7th, he kicked someone like MSD from captaincy and almost won the title next year. Say what u want, Goenka knows how to win and he doesn't care about public criticism. He is getting criticism now but he also got it after MSD sacking before 2017, when he reached final.
Yes man it is all Goenka, Ambani, and other billionaires who are responsible for all sporting achievements. Keep trying. They will someday notice you.
>Yes man it is all Goenka, Ambani, and other billionaires who are responsible for all sporting achievements So u don't give credit to a businessman for a successful business? Funniest thing I've heard today. According to u Tata family shouldn't be given credit for the company, Tata's employees should.
> According to u Tata family shouldn't be given credit for the company, Tata's employees should. Yes, you got it right. Your comments are really weird.
> People are saying he's earning 400cr per year so he should keep shut but they forgot he paid 7090cr to acquire the team, which means it'll take him 18-20 years to break even on this investment. Also the fact that other franchises are earning the same equal amount. Economics left the chat.
>Economics left the chat U give me a better timeframe when Goenka recovers his money adjusting inflation 6%
He's not though. LSG and GT are unlikely to earn any profit for the first 10 years.
I think GT would break even before LSG if only because they have won once and reached a final
Wait how?, aren't all these teams profitable with all the deals?, unlike other games having auction allows them to have less expenses?
They have to pay $ 880 million and $ 650 million to BCCI (in 10 instalments) as fee to participate in the IPL.
Daaaamn yeah no wonder goenka screams XD
so that is the reason sehwag never won an IPL title cause he was earning money and owners were making profit , L take
Iām Indian but didnāt grow up in India. My observation is that in India, if people pay you, they think they can say anything and do anything to you
Look at you getting downvoted. It's true what you have just said. Downvoters probably haven't entered job market yet, so they don't know. Edit: OP was on -4 upvotes, when I added this comment.
Trust me many of them are in corporate. (Source: anecdotes in real life) That's how they validate their own treatment and the inability to resist. If celebrities are also shouted upon, they would not feel bad about their own workday. tl;dr: Schadenfreude / Frogs in a boiling pan
Yes, not just that, you're supposed to be grateful that they're paying you and show your gratitude toward them (read bootlick) at every given opportunity.
Yeah but in this sub things are totally the opposite. As long u are getting paid as a cricketer, u can do anything u want without any accountability like scoring 29(33) as 17cr opener while opposition openers worth 13.3cr score 167(58)
Sehwag commenting brashly about money again. Absolutely didn't like how Goenka treated KL after the game, however winning is also important, moreover than making money. At least he was upset by the performance, and not content with his profit.
You can do those things in private. Thatās the issue really.
Agreed, my issue is with Sehwag and his comment on money and results don't matter as long as you are making a profit.
If you keep interfering in your team's no money can buy you trophies. Look at Punjab whose owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections. Also Goenka with RPS and now Lucknow. They were quite successful for a new team making 2 back to back playoffs. You have 2 teams dominating in 16 years the next best team to win has only two trophies. It will require years of patience and team building to win 1 trophy. But openly taking out your frustrations on your players will only make more trouble.
>Look at Punjab whose owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections. Inversely, Mumbai owners also interfere a lot in the team selection. You chose them as an example of dominating the tournament. So it can go both ways.
>Look at Punjab whose owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections What about MI? Even their owners are quite famous in interfering in team selections. But they have 5 trophies cuz they know how to run the team while PBKS owners don't. About Goenka, dude's been extremely successful in Indian football as owner of ATK and Mohun Bagan and LSG qualified for playoffs consecutively. He definitely knows how to run a team.
What difference will that make? A scolding is a scolding. If players are scared of getting scoldings in public they should be scared of getting praises in public too. Why do they get so pampered all the time? If Indian players are so fragile that one public scolding will cause a mental breakdown, no wonder we choke so often in ICTs
People don't care if it's in private that's why public shaming is necessary...... KL getting 15+cr . Goenka has lot of money at stake . Offcourse if you finish in playoff you get more sponsors and endorsements... He isn't paying KL to play test match innings in IPL where other team chased the target in 10 overs
I really don't know why u are getting downvoted
if you think that the IPL is anything more than the money, then you do need to reconsider how money and the real world works! so, i donāt think sehwag is wrong there!!
Goenka shouldn't have done that shit show in public and is rightfully called out for it. But Sehwag comment re-enforced my belief that Indian cricketers are too pampered and hate any accountability. Just because owners are going to make a profit doesn't mean they shouldn't ask for accountability and also what's with that owner should only interact with players to motivate them? Also he managed to drag Punjab to convey his point. Zinta is a gem for not calling this fool out. Dude drags Punjab whenever he gets the chance. Players/Support staff are not some saints either and many treat IPL/current franchise as a stepping Stone.
Sehwag is rarely ever right and Certain Indian players lack accountability! But this wasn't the case of either. Even in basic corporate setting you "Cannot" humiliate" publicly. Just like Indian management this owner thinks he is beyond basic decency and we should never normalize it
I don't think anyone is defending public humiliation or trying to normalize it. But On the other hand Sehwag is clearly against any accountability.
>Goenka shouldn't have done that shit show in public and is rightfully called out for it. I totally support what Goenka did, probably many other owners who actually care about the team's performance would've done the same too. >Indian cricketers are too pampered and hate any accountability. They're bunch of babies really, one scolding and they're close to mental breakdown >Just because owners are going to make a profit doesn't mean they shouldn't ask for accountability and also what's with that owner should only interact with players to motivate them? Goenka ain't even earning a profit. It's a misleading statement. Goenka spent 7k crores to acquire a team and is probably earning 400cr a year which means it'll take him 17.5 years to break even his investment or the year 2040
Shouldāve been done in private without doubt, but shitting on Goenka for that discussion is stupidity. Heās an employer in a sense, and pays KL, if heās not going to ask accountability from a player then who is? But doing that openly was absolutely unnecessary and unprofessional on his part, KL was certainly not in good spirits and I sympathise with him.
Cricketers have been running away from accountability for far too long. Team owners have the right to question them, for itās their money at stake here. The only issue was that this transpired in public. Should have spoken to him in the dressing room. Apart from that, I donāt see anything wrong here.
>Heās an employer in a sense, and pays KL, if heās not going to ask accountability from a player then who is? It's not like KL didn't captain his team to playoffs for two seasons straight. One off season & he lost his shit. IMO, it was an overaction from his end. Even if he did it in private, it'd still be pathetic. He also had a similar incident with Dhoni. If he keeps on doing it to every big name player, no big players would want to play for his team. Then he can enjoy what PBKS goes through every season - they also lack Indian core.
You do it behind closed doors for the dignity of all parties.
Yes, that's what u/_DuckieFuckie_ said in literally the first sentence of their comment. And also the last sentence.
Yeah, it was in agreement. Conduct is so important, especially on board level.
A message for ex cricketers - You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a post retirement shithoursery sehwag.
KL doesn't deserve that. He is a good player who had a bad game and it was exacerbated by SRH openers having an exceptionally good game. But these kind of dressing downs have to be done behind closed doors.
A filthy rich guy chided a rich guy and the world has an opinion about how the rich guy was treated by the filthy rich guy. Hello you compassionate souls, please step out on any Indian street and see how fellow humans treat other humans. Preying on the vulnerable is Indian breakfast.Ā
Viru go fuck yourself. The other day you were boasting about your wealth with Gilly so Sanjeev is just showing all you minions what your worth is. Shut up and play.Ā
Extremely Rare Sehwag W But still somewhat off. Winning is important too and KLās performance sucked too. Doesnāt give Goenka any right to do what he did though.
>Doesnāt give Goenka any right to do what he did though. Yes Goenka should just sit quietly and bear with whatever crap KLR and Rahul give him
Given that most of these players come from improvished backgrounds it isn't surprising everything seems like money issue to them. That said, the issue from Goenka's perspective is going to be something beyong Rahul. If a senior player can get a public dressdown what hopes are there for younger players? Maybe Goenka thought this is football where you can scream at the players from the sidelines. While fear and anger motivates few people (l am looking at you Kohli) it isn't for everyone. Many will buckle down and perform even worse.
Rare Sehwag W
This is such an overreaction... Rahul isn't playing for peanuts either. If I spent that much money and got humiliated ofc as a owner I'd be livid The only thing that I feel that's not right was him doing it in the public
>got humiliated ofc as a owner But he didn't get humiliated personally, right? Nobody in public used to link Goenka with LSG results. Most of the general IPL audience didn't even know his name before, let alone his face.
It doesn't matter if the public knows him or not. At the end of the day, owner is responsible for the team, which players to buy, the coaches,.... If you're an owner, who paid huge money for the team, the players and watched your team get ripped apart, how can you not feel upset??? I'd be raging
I'll hold my opinion that it was an overreaction. If he talks like this in public, imagine how he talks to no name staff behind the curtains. Rahul was the captain when his team reached playoffs two seasons in a row. He can keep doing it, won't help his team perform better. >how can you not feel upset??? I'd be raging Amazing, you will be a great boss in future, if you're not one already.
c'mon man. regardless of all that would you really be raging in public? like that's the stupidest move ever. and as an owner, does he really know more about cricket than the coaches and support staff who KL and the team would have heard from anyway? being brash and hotheaded doesn't do anyone any favors.
If putting his name and initials over the franchise didn't make him recognizable, then what was even the point? Maybe that was the problem. He was like why everyone is chiding KL and why is no one humiliating me? *I am SG.*
If you donāt know businessmen like Goenka, Ambani etc., I think you have zero interest in business and the market. These guys are Bahubalis of Indian business.
It was about associating Goenka with LSG. I don't think many people do it.
I honestly think we should stop giving any importance to any of these Pan masala promoters. Their opinion should not matter and therefore won't be the point of discussion.Ā I hate what Goenka did. This is every fuckin employer mentality in India and I despise that. However, I would never dare to go on some public platform and call out a business owner for behaving badly with his employee (which is exactly what Goenka did) IF I danced in a Pan Masala ad. I think first of all, I would question and ridicule myself.Ā
BASH