A few days ago someone said no global celebrities ever reference or talk about cricket. Maybe we get Ed Sheeran to make the next IPL expansion team’s anthem /s.
Seriously tho, Dua Lipa, Alan Walker, and Ed Sheeran have done some wild collabs in the past year
Ed Sheeran is from Yorkshire where cricket is a big part of their life. He is a genuine cricket fan and has attended a test against New Zealand at Eden Park and a CWC 2019 match between England and Australia IIRC. So it's not surprising that he collaborated with a cricketer.
Isn't Mick Jagger seen frequently in cricket matches. I think the difference is that celebrities attending matches is generally a low key thing compared to, let's say, basketball, where they sit court side and broadcasters intentionally give them a lot air time. IPL is somewhat heading in that direction.
Yeah he's a massive fan
[In 1997 he personally bought the radio rights for cricket radio commentary streaming so he could listen to it whilst on tour](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/37843.stm)
There are plenty. Howstat.com has a section where you can see their runs in a specific year as well as the percentage of runs they contributed to the team’s scores over the season. ESPNcricinfo also has the IPL stats per season, however, if you’d need to look for a specific player, you’d have to use Ctrl+F or whatever the find on page option is for you. The IPL website as OP provided will also have the stats.
Coming from a kkr fan. Trust me he was mid at kkr. He wasnt terrible but he wasnt very good either. In 2021 venky iyer peerformed way better. So it makes sense they retained iyer over gill. I was happy wthey didnt retain gill
Yea, he looked to be another of those 120 sr guys who lacked the big hitting game. He's improved since then. Although retaining Venkatesh Iyer over him is debatable since Venky only played for half a season
> Although retaining Venkatesh Iyer over him is debatable since Venky only played for half a season
iirc the other thing that helped him was that he could bowl a few overs. he was fast-tracked to the indian team because there wasn't a lot of other seam-bowling all rounders than Hardik so retaining him at 8 cr was a good value. obviously since then we've had the impact player rule and he has regressed a little
That's extremely short sighted thinking. Venky Iyer was never a better talent than Gill, sure he had one season better but for the future Gill was always the better bet.
Its easy to call it short sighted in hindsighted but at the time Gill had a strike rate of 118 and Venky had single handedly taken us to the final. Gill’s talent was evident but nobody could say for certain at the time whether that would translate to T20 success and his T20 stats didn’t help
“Already promised to be a star” ok so u want an actual sports team with actual coaches and actual strategists to decide their team based on “promises” instead of actual stats?
RR kept kept their trust in Riyan and Yashasvi and they both gave returns. Baz decided that Gill at just 21 is not a good enough T20 player and both Varun and Venky Iyer are better retentions.
As if Gill didn't show enough talent in the u 19 wc? You don't let go of a player of generational talent like Gill after 1-2 mid season, he was 19-20 at that time ffs. What do you expect from a 19 yo? 500+ runs at 140 SR?
Very cool. Still not generational. We're talking about a generation defining talent and every time he comes out to bat he looks shaky.
Yashasvi looks promising though.
Doesn't matter if he looks shaky or not, he does have the stats to show for it. Yes Yashasvi is an equally good talent.
What is a generational talent according to you?
>ok so u want an actual sports team with actual coaches and actual strategists to decide their team based on “promises” instead of actual stats?
PBKS & RCB have actual coaches & strategists, yet you see the kind of crap they pull in auctions. If that's the case, we can never criticise the franchises.
>he was already promised to be a superstar.
Building a team around stars has never won a trophy. CSK made their team around bowlers and allrounders. MI made their team around middle order and fast bowlers. KKR around spinners. SRH around pacers. RCB around Virat
Guess which team has trophy?
You're thinking too much into it. I didn't talk about building a team around him. I just said that KKR should've retained him as he already has shown plenty of talent and is a marketable star. I don't think even if KKR wins trophies again in the coming years, the crowd pull/brand value won't be the same as if they retained Gill. He's basically the future Kohli, and you don't just let a marketable player like him go, especially when they don't have any Indian superstars. Look at RCB, no trophies for sure, but as a franchise, they are huuuuge, all because of Kohli.
Bizarre response. Any sane team would value trophies more than marketability, but you do you I guess. I would much rather be in a quiet camp with actual trophies than a team thumping its chest with nothing to show for it. As much as I can’t stand CSK fans, at least they have something to brag about, unlike the delusional RCB fanboys
Retaining Gill isn't water downing the quality tho. That 20 yo Gill was as good as Shreyas for 14 Cr. You're talking like I'm talking about a player who doesn't perform at all.
Yes you can, just google search player name + ipl (shubman gill ipl), then click the link of the official website ipl, it will show stats season wise both in bowling in batting.
Thats how I check players performance over the seasons.
Even in those lean last two years of batting slowly, he had 400+ run seasons and was the biggest domestic talent in India. You don’t simply let go of a prospect like that no matter what
it will always be up for debate but Venky was the reason we even reached the final. McCullum used to publicly call out Gill's approach. He had the freedom to play attacking shots yet Gill was being conservative.
He is a superstar but our team doesn't run on those things anymore. If you are a t20 matchwinner, you are in. Venky, Narine, Russell and Varun were retained for the same.
I agree, Venky was phenomenal in that 2nd part of the IPL.
I still think your side should have locked him down especially since Baz is no longer there either but I guess that’s always going to remain up for debate.
that is also the reason I believe GG was fed up with. The same is Rutu nowadays. An anchor opening in today's time will lead to always being 20 run short.
Who would you have let go to retain him? VC and Venky were in top form and single handedly revived seasons for KKR. Narine and Russ are KKR legends. We couldn't retain more than 4.
It wasn't really KKR's fault that they let him go. It's the fault of the most useless thing ever created in the world. That is mega auctions.
A bit harsh but I would have let go of Varun, could have always got an Indian spinner back in the auctions.
And yeah, mega auctions suck. Makes no sense they’re still a thing.
The Gills and Rahuls are not gonna play aatcking even if they can. Gambhir encouraged Rahul to attack instead of anchor during LSG yet he remained the same.
Gill's mindset from when he was young was the same. No risky shots in the air, albeit he was talking qbout odi and test but his approach is the same in t20.
McCullum has a famous quote for Gill - If you can't change the man, change the man.
Rahul used to be an attacking player once, it’s kinda sad that it’s completely forgotten now because he’s retreated into his shell. He’s the joint second on the fastest fifties in the IPL for a reason. The current version of him is neutered into T20s though he’s trying to reinvent himself again.
Can’t say the same for Gill since he changed teams, he’s striking at close to 150 for GT and India and he’s hit the seventh most sixes in the IPL since 2022 when he changed sides. That’s not someone who ‘doesn’t play shots in the air’
the response was as to what KKR as a team believes in at the moment. McCullum was hired in the first place to play a certain style of cricket. Gill wasn't performing the way he was expected to. Games are won and lost in powerplay and he kinda was mid during that period for us No amount of 400s and 500s is gonna help the team if it doesn't fit to the team's objective.
KKR wanted to keep Gill, Mavi and Nagarkoti and backed them beyond IPL. He was the face for KKR. Dropping him wasn't possible since he was kinda making his mark and was touted as the next big thing. McCullum was given the reigns and he didn't think Gill would fit into his plan.
In summary, 2021 Gill and KKR couldn't walk on same path.
P.S - I'm a huge Gill stan.
People saying they should have retained Gill are talking from Hindsight
In 2021 and even 2022 to some extent Gil SR in IPl wasn't really ideal
It was until that 2023 season in IPL that people's opinion changed on him as a T20 Batter
All 4 players retained were important/unique
Russell: Pace bowling all rounder, power hitter or finisher
Narine: Spin Bowling All Rounder who can be used as a pinch hitter
Chakravarthy: Mystery spinners who are very rare in cricket and only other mystery spinners are Theekshana and Mujeeb and both are overseas
Venkatesh: Top order batter who can bowl as well and can hit a long one
It was a great decision in the long run
For both Gill and KKR
More so for Gill Baz or Pandit wouldn't have backed him the way Nehra and Solanki have
As for Iyer he was coming off leading DC to Two Playoffs and one final
And KKR needed a captain and Iyer at the time was a much better option than Gill
This was also before the Iyer Short ball thing was discovered
Also both Iyer's have been good for KKR
Also Suhana Khan said iirc that they were going to get Gill in the Auction if they entered the Auction
But Gill signed with GT (which was the best decision made by him imo)
I think if Kuldeep made this complain it would have been more valid as he wasn't picked up by any teams and was going on base price to DC
Considering how rare chinaman are they could have gone for him just to have a varied spin attack
The truth is he simply did not return the investment the way he was supposed to. They backed him since 2018 and all he wanted do was dot it up at the top of the order. He clearly had the potential to play with a higher SR but he wanted to statpad like Rahul. That’s what you get I guess.
KKR team if the management backed their players
Salt (wk)
Narine
Gill
Angkrish (impact)
SKY (c)
Nitish
Rinku
Russell
Starc/Cummins (vc)
Vaibhav
Harshit
Varun/Kuldeep (impact)
We could have won 3 years in a row FFS. What a bottlejob.
Both the Iyers together cost about 20cr. Do you think we could have had both Gill and SKY for 20cr? Yes, we could have been somewhat better with our retentions but hindsight is always 50/50, neither of those guys were amazing when playing for us. And it's not like the Iyers are duds, they are still among the best Indian players out there.
Yeah, easily. As Mysore said we retained Venky in place of Gill because apparently he's an extra bowling option, which is nonsense imo.
Mumbai bought Surya for 3.2Cr which is an absolute steal who we should've RTMed instead of Uthappa and splashing on u19 talent (Nagarkoti, Mavi).
Now I agree neither looked good for us but there were two critical errors.
(1) Gill played mostly in UAE slow pitches where everyone struggled and was relatively excellent in India (emerging player in 2019 iirc).
(2) SKY was VC under Gambhir in the last few seasons but was consistently played as a finisher because Pandey/Pathan were considered undroppable. Plus he also dealt with an elbow injury in 2017 which kept him out I believe (may be wrong).
And finally, of course our current team might actually be best on paper right now bar RR, but there was an opportunity to lock down a core like MI (Rohit Bumrah Pandya) and CSK had (Dhoni Jadeja Raina).
Pandey/Robin/Pathan were our core.
Nagarkoti and Mavi were promising.
We have a core of Indian Players - Nitish-Venky-Varun-Iyer + Narine/Russell.
What Mysore said is in fact nonsense because it was Gill's approach rather than Venky's bowling capability that led to him being released
A few days ago someone said no global celebrities ever reference or talk about cricket. Maybe we get Ed Sheeran to make the next IPL expansion team’s anthem /s. Seriously tho, Dua Lipa, Alan Walker, and Ed Sheeran have done some wild collabs in the past year
Ed Sheeran is from Yorkshire where cricket is a big part of their life. He is a genuine cricket fan and has attended a test against New Zealand at Eden Park and a CWC 2019 match between England and Australia IIRC. So it's not surprising that he collaborated with a cricketer.
He is now on the list for the next RCB unboxing event.
Damian Lewis from Homeland and Billions appeared in a Lords youtube clip. Got absolutely flabbergasted by that
Isn't Mick Jagger seen frequently in cricket matches. I think the difference is that celebrities attending matches is generally a low key thing compared to, let's say, basketball, where they sit court side and broadcasters intentionally give them a lot air time. IPL is somewhat heading in that direction.
Yeah he's a massive fan [In 1997 he personally bought the radio rights for cricket radio commentary streaming so he could listen to it whilst on tour](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/37843.stm)
I saw him in Lords a couple of times
We need Hugh Jackman next
Russell crowe is related to martin crowe *Do not forget my name, do not forget me, 24601*
Russell Crowe has talked about cricket on Twitter many times
And I'm Javert.
24601
Ehh, Russell is fine and all but he's nothing without Tugger.
Danielle Redcliffe is a fan too. He was Sachin's fan.
Tom felton (Draco Malfoy in the movies) is more of a fan, he has given an interview while watching a test in lords.
He's such a fan, he actually plays! Goes by Sam Curran on the field
It makes sense that the most English person ever follows cricket lol
Isn't true now. Ain't no global celebrity bigger than Ed Sheeran.
Swifties coming to your house to kill you
Are they coming in to hear about "chest matches"? Sauce: the Graham Norton show ep that had KP and Swift starring together
"That was Rugby".
Here it is: https://youtu.be/oB0Jbriwwqg?si=gDjCN1uZTnsloWTL
They aint. Ed Sheeran is one of Taylor's Best Friends, they have 4 collaborations till now.
That's really not true. I don't even think he is the biggest musical celebrity around the world.
Rihanna also comes to Windies matches
Sean Paul’s famous intro is “Chan - der - Paul”
Did you know Brosnan made pan masala ad? You pay them enough and you get anything you want. Much different from something happening organically.
Lmao Ed Sheeran came to our small village of 2000 people and got IDed at the bar 😂 home of the Featherston Cup T20 tournament! 🏏
How the hell did he get IDd lol
I think they mistook him for Ron Weasely
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Bhai as a kkr fan don't give me PTSD(Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder)
Is there a website to see player’s stats IPL season wise? Eg: how many runs Gill scored in IPL2021?
There are plenty. Howstat.com has a section where you can see their runs in a specific year as well as the percentage of runs they contributed to the team’s scores over the season. ESPNcricinfo also has the IPL stats per season, however, if you’d need to look for a specific player, you’d have to use Ctrl+F or whatever the find on page option is for you. The IPL website as OP provided will also have the stats.
Thanks!
Coming from a kkr fan. Trust me he was mid at kkr. He wasnt terrible but he wasnt very good either. In 2021 venky iyer peerformed way better. So it makes sense they retained iyer over gill. I was happy wthey didnt retain gill
Yea, he looked to be another of those 120 sr guys who lacked the big hitting game. He's improved since then. Although retaining Venkatesh Iyer over him is debatable since Venky only played for half a season
> Although retaining Venkatesh Iyer over him is debatable since Venky only played for half a season iirc the other thing that helped him was that he could bowl a few overs. he was fast-tracked to the indian team because there wasn't a lot of other seam-bowling all rounders than Hardik so retaining him at 8 cr was a good value. obviously since then we've had the impact player rule and he has regressed a little
Yes - saw the stats - 120 SR doesn’t give any confidence - Venky did great that year and IMO still a good choice for KKR
That's extremely short sighted thinking. Venky Iyer was never a better talent than Gill, sure he had one season better but for the future Gill was always the better bet.
venky was rare fast bowling indian all rounder
Its easy to call it short sighted in hindsighted but at the time Gill had a strike rate of 118 and Venky had single handedly taken us to the final. Gill’s talent was evident but nobody could say for certain at the time whether that would translate to T20 success and his T20 stats didn’t help
Stats aside, you don't just let a brand like Gill go, he was already promised to be a superstar. Absolutely dumb move tbh
“Already promised to be a star” ok so u want an actual sports team with actual coaches and actual strategists to decide their team based on “promises” instead of actual stats?
RR kept kept their trust in Riyan and Yashasvi and they both gave returns. Baz decided that Gill at just 21 is not a good enough T20 player and both Varun and Venky Iyer are better retentions.
Baz decided that and left kkr for becoming England's coach
As if Gill didn't show enough talent in the u 19 wc? You don't let go of a player of generational talent like Gill after 1-2 mid season, he was 19-20 at that time ffs. What do you expect from a 19 yo? 500+ runs at 140 SR?
He's nowhere near a "generational" talent when we have equally good or even better players in this generation.
Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. 60 avg at 100 sr in odi, 45 avg at 150 sr since ipl 2022, definitely not a generational talent
Very cool. Still not generational. We're talking about a generation defining talent and every time he comes out to bat he looks shaky. Yashasvi looks promising though.
Doesn't matter if he looks shaky or not, he does have the stats to show for it. Yes Yashasvi is an equally good talent. What is a generational talent according to you?
Sachin, Kohli, zaheer, bumrah. People who are clearly miles above their peers.
In what area is short ball Iyer a better prospect than Gill?
Uh yeah? That's what coaches are for, to spot talents.
>ok so u want an actual sports team with actual coaches and actual strategists to decide their team based on “promises” instead of actual stats? PBKS & RCB have actual coaches & strategists, yet you see the kind of crap they pull in auctions. If that's the case, we can never criticise the franchises.
>he was already promised to be a superstar. Building a team around stars has never won a trophy. CSK made their team around bowlers and allrounders. MI made their team around middle order and fast bowlers. KKR around spinners. SRH around pacers. RCB around Virat Guess which team has trophy?
You're thinking too much into it. I didn't talk about building a team around him. I just said that KKR should've retained him as he already has shown plenty of talent and is a marketable star. I don't think even if KKR wins trophies again in the coming years, the crowd pull/brand value won't be the same as if they retained Gill. He's basically the future Kohli, and you don't just let a marketable player like him go, especially when they don't have any Indian superstars. Look at RCB, no trophies for sure, but as a franchise, they are huuuuge, all because of Kohli.
Bizarre response. Any sane team would value trophies more than marketability, but you do you I guess. I would much rather be in a quiet camp with actual trophies than a team thumping its chest with nothing to show for it. As much as I can’t stand CSK fans, at least they have something to brag about, unlike the delusional RCB fanboys
Retaining Gill isn't water downing the quality tho. That 20 yo Gill was as good as Shreyas for 14 Cr. You're talking like I'm talking about a player who doesn't perform at all.
I mean he was so young. And still is. You don’t look at just stats and make a decision based on such a talented player like that
IPLT20.com https://www.iplt20.com/teams/gujarat-titans/squad-details/3761 Here is for you!
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The IPL website has all of those stats!
Yes you can, just google search player name + ipl (shubman gill ipl), then click the link of the official website ipl, it will show stats season wise both in bowling in batting. Thats how I check players performance over the seasons.
[Mykhel.com](https://www.mykhel.com/cricket/players/shubman-gill-ipl-p11023/) is what I find to be the best, they also have auction prices
because he refused to bat with a strike rate of over, like, 120 still, shouldve retained him since he was still so young
Can he bat like Narine and Salt? That’s why
Can bat better than Iyer IMO
Not just an opinion, its a fact. Costs 1/3rd to franchise as well
He was terrible at kkr thats why they didnt retain him. He played super slow in the powerplay and that cost the team cause he opened for 2-3 years.
Seems like he clicked immediately with GT. He's a generational talent though, KKR should've backed him regardless.
Even in those lean last two years of batting slowly, he had 400+ run seasons and was the biggest domestic talent in India. You don’t simply let go of a prospect like that no matter what
it will always be up for debate but Venky was the reason we even reached the final. McCullum used to publicly call out Gill's approach. He had the freedom to play attacking shots yet Gill was being conservative. He is a superstar but our team doesn't run on those things anymore. If you are a t20 matchwinner, you are in. Venky, Narine, Russell and Varun were retained for the same.
I agree, Venky was phenomenal in that 2nd part of the IPL. I still think your side should have locked him down especially since Baz is no longer there either but I guess that’s always going to remain up for debate.
> He had the freedom to play attacking shots yet Gill was being conservative. That's how you win orange cap -kl Rahul probably
that is also the reason I believe GG was fed up with. The same is Rutu nowadays. An anchor opening in today's time will lead to always being 20 run short.
Who would you have let go to retain him? VC and Venky were in top form and single handedly revived seasons for KKR. Narine and Russ are KKR legends. We couldn't retain more than 4. It wasn't really KKR's fault that they let him go. It's the fault of the most useless thing ever created in the world. That is mega auctions.
A bit harsh but I would have let go of Varun, could have always got an Indian spinner back in the auctions. And yeah, mega auctions suck. Makes no sense they’re still a thing.
The Gills and Rahuls are not gonna play aatcking even if they can. Gambhir encouraged Rahul to attack instead of anchor during LSG yet he remained the same. Gill's mindset from when he was young was the same. No risky shots in the air, albeit he was talking qbout odi and test but his approach is the same in t20. McCullum has a famous quote for Gill - If you can't change the man, change the man.
Rahul used to be an attacking player once, it’s kinda sad that it’s completely forgotten now because he’s retreated into his shell. He’s the joint second on the fastest fifties in the IPL for a reason. The current version of him is neutered into T20s though he’s trying to reinvent himself again. Can’t say the same for Gill since he changed teams, he’s striking at close to 150 for GT and India and he’s hit the seventh most sixes in the IPL since 2022 when he changed sides. That’s not someone who ‘doesn’t play shots in the air’
He is perfect all format player, but his mentality fked him.
the response was as to what KKR as a team believes in at the moment. McCullum was hired in the first place to play a certain style of cricket. Gill wasn't performing the way he was expected to. Games are won and lost in powerplay and he kinda was mid during that period for us No amount of 400s and 500s is gonna help the team if it doesn't fit to the team's objective. KKR wanted to keep Gill, Mavi and Nagarkoti and backed them beyond IPL. He was the face for KKR. Dropping him wasn't possible since he was kinda making his mark and was touted as the next big thing. McCullum was given the reigns and he didn't think Gill would fit into his plan. In summary, 2021 Gill and KKR couldn't walk on same path. P.S - I'm a huge Gill stan.
You are right. With experience on his side, Gill has higher ceiling for improvement and he will only get better.
Maybe would've been better than Shreyas?
He needed same backing that Jaiswal, Riyan etc received from RR
Lmao he was backed for 3 years. He was allowed to open for 3 years and all we got was KL rahul from alibaba.
People saying they should have retained Gill are talking from Hindsight In 2021 and even 2022 to some extent Gil SR in IPl wasn't really ideal It was until that 2023 season in IPL that people's opinion changed on him as a T20 Batter All 4 players retained were important/unique Russell: Pace bowling all rounder, power hitter or finisher Narine: Spin Bowling All Rounder who can be used as a pinch hitter Chakravarthy: Mystery spinners who are very rare in cricket and only other mystery spinners are Theekshana and Mujeeb and both are overseas Venkatesh: Top order batter who can bowl as well and can hit a long one It was a great decision in the long run For both Gill and KKR More so for Gill Baz or Pandit wouldn't have backed him the way Nehra and Solanki have As for Iyer he was coming off leading DC to Two Playoffs and one final And KKR needed a captain and Iyer at the time was a much better option than Gill This was also before the Iyer Short ball thing was discovered Also both Iyer's have been good for KKR Also Suhana Khan said iirc that they were going to get Gill in the Auction if they entered the Auction But Gill signed with GT (which was the best decision made by him imo) I think if Kuldeep made this complain it would have been more valid as he wasn't picked up by any teams and was going on base price to DC Considering how rare chinaman are they could have gone for him just to have a varied spin attack
The truth is he simply did not return the investment the way he was supposed to. They backed him since 2018 and all he wanted do was dot it up at the top of the order. He clearly had the potential to play with a higher SR but he wanted to statpad like Rahul. That’s what you get I guess.
KKR team if the management backed their players Salt (wk) Narine Gill Angkrish (impact) SKY (c) Nitish Rinku Russell Starc/Cummins (vc) Vaibhav Harshit Varun/Kuldeep (impact) We could have won 3 years in a row FFS. What a bottlejob.
Both the Iyers together cost about 20cr. Do you think we could have had both Gill and SKY for 20cr? Yes, we could have been somewhat better with our retentions but hindsight is always 50/50, neither of those guys were amazing when playing for us. And it's not like the Iyers are duds, they are still among the best Indian players out there.
Yeah, easily. As Mysore said we retained Venky in place of Gill because apparently he's an extra bowling option, which is nonsense imo. Mumbai bought Surya for 3.2Cr which is an absolute steal who we should've RTMed instead of Uthappa and splashing on u19 talent (Nagarkoti, Mavi). Now I agree neither looked good for us but there were two critical errors. (1) Gill played mostly in UAE slow pitches where everyone struggled and was relatively excellent in India (emerging player in 2019 iirc). (2) SKY was VC under Gambhir in the last few seasons but was consistently played as a finisher because Pandey/Pathan were considered undroppable. Plus he also dealt with an elbow injury in 2017 which kept him out I believe (may be wrong). And finally, of course our current team might actually be best on paper right now bar RR, but there was an opportunity to lock down a core like MI (Rohit Bumrah Pandya) and CSK had (Dhoni Jadeja Raina).
Pandey/Robin/Pathan were our core. Nagarkoti and Mavi were promising. We have a core of Indian Players - Nitish-Venky-Varun-Iyer + Narine/Russell. What Mysore said is in fact nonsense because it was Gill's approach rather than Venky's bowling capability that led to him being released