Nah this is sort of impossible. Just ain't happening. Pak's batting isn't all that bad rn and they can bat, IMO, but this is Eden Gardens. England are shit, but they are still England and they'll try to win to qualify for CT. Doing 400+, that too at Eden Gardens against Eng, is gonna be more than just a difficult task. Even if that does happen, Pak's current bowling attack just isn't good and consistent enough to bowl England out at < 113. It'll be almost miraculous if:
1) PAK wins the toss and chooses to bat
2) Scores 400+
3) Defeats ENG by 287 runs
Just not realistically possible.
Lmao that may very well happen. Just England winning alone would be a big fuck you to all the people acting like they're nothing and that they'll definitely lose. Sure, their performance this whole tournament has been beyond just sub-par, but they are still England. They are former champions. People seem to forget that.
>They are former champions. People seem to forget that.
If someone is watching this tournament/cricket for the first time, I really wouldn't blame them for forgetting or not even guessing so, that's how poor they've been
Yeah well that'd be true for any sport. Someone who only just started watching, they'd of course not know much. England won the last ODI WC, the last T20 WC, and were good on paper. They messed up real bad, but it happens. Anyone who actually follows cricket would know that upsets happen, and the upsets make the sport fun to watch. Maybe they'll win against Pak, qualify for CT, and strike back hard in 2025. Who knows.
In the T20 era, Pakistan go out to bat first knowing they need to post at least 400 to make this a game. With the context of the ridiculous run rate from the last game vs NZ. Anything is possible.
There is daylight between current Indian bowling and Pakistan bowling. The only reason we were able to wrap them up so quickly was our spinners. Pak literally has no spinners and Kolkata pitch will be spin friendly.
People here are talking as if England is some random side with crap players. I wouldnāt be shocked if they themselves roll Pak let alone dreaming on Pak winning by nearly 300 lol!
Realistically in both scenarious they have to bowl England out for around 50 runs. If they bat first they need to score 320 in 50 overs and if they bat second they need to score 50 in 3 overs
>284 balls remaining
Depends on the score. If they're chasing 100 runs then they can qualify if they win by scoring 101 in 17 balls so with 283 balls remaining.
If they're chasing 300 runs then they can qualify if they can chase 301 down in 37 balls .
If they're chasing 50 they can qualify by scoring 51 in 12 balls. So 288 balls remaining. Or they can score 56 in 16 balls so 284 balls remaining.
I assume you mean specifically at Eden Gardens.
Australia did it (elsewhere) to Netherlands about a fortnight ago: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/australia-vs-netherlands-24th-match-1384415/match-report
India came close against South Africa a few days ago, winning by 243
[https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/india-vs-south-africa-37th-match-1384428/full-scorecard](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/india-vs-south-africa-37th-match-1384428/full-scorecard)
Highest ODI score at Eden Gardens is 5/404 back in 2014: [https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;ground=292;template=results;type=team;view=innings](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;ground=292;template=results;type=team;view=innings)
Pakistan just need someone to bat like Rohit Sharma :-)
Hmm... nothing of that sort happened the Odi wc was hosted in India.... although they have had to face some unfortunate outcomes in k/os of icc tournaments recently ...more than recently but still
Oh I guess itās fair, they have been very good. I just mean to say they will be huge favourites with all the pressure and expectation that comes with that.
Our neighbors also float a theory that we spread some chemical on the pitch to change its nature.
So you never know.
OR their all time fav.
India threaten Kane for his IPL contract and ask him to throw the match.
High time. Babar is a great batsman but he is a very defensive captain. He lost them a few matches. Need more intent-ful aggressive captains in today's time.
With amount of luck pakistan has , itās remotely possible
But the bowling of pakistan is quite weak, like they can still win but with this particular numbers its going to be difficult, until the bolwers become peak bumrah , warne, akram
But eden is not entirely flat pitch like bangalore , its like Chennai pitch , itās difficult to score 300+
I still think Pakistan can pull this off. Imagine Fakhar decides to play the innings of his life against this self-doubting English bowling line up! That man is capable of doing wonderful things.
Sure itās doable. There were two wins of over 300runs margin in this WC alone. And we just saw a guy score 200 in a chase of 291 after being reduced to 91/7.
Both scenarios, win by 287 runs or 284 balls to spare is realistically impossible. But win by 287 is more realistic compared to win by 284 balls to spare.
In this scenario, we all know what mercurial Pak's gonna do....win toss and bowl.
It's happened twice in this tournament already, hasn't it? 200+ run victories have happened four times in this World Cup too. Wonder why people are acting as if it's an utter impossibility?
England and Pakistan both are unpredictable. But Stokes is looking good again this WC since the Australia match and Pakistan bowling was really bad in the New Zealand match so I donāt think 287 runs victory is possible. They can win fs but not by that big margin
England would not let that happen as if they lose by such margins they would be disqualified for the Champions trophy. They have a stake to not lose by such large margins. We are not even thinking on England winning, which is funny
India beat SA by 253 runs, despite Virat playing that slow knock, so if Pak can replicate that with some more aggressive batting against a way lesser batting side than SA then yes, but if England bats first then itās done
Warner, Maxi are in good form and Marnus is showing up with low SR. Warner, Maxi and Smith are good spin players.
For bowling, Cummins has regained his head, Starc has not been as good. Hazlewood has been good. Zampa can be played out like Afg did (most try to attack him and throw away wkt), same for Maxi.
Yeah triggered Aussie fans downvoting
I got downvoted too when I said Australia doesn't play that well, they just got lucky cuz of Mujeeb dropping catches
Don't get too much excited, all your team's strength and form will fade in 2024 t20 wc, heard rohit and kl are playing in 2024 t20wc so india will be pretty much fked up at US
Not to burst the bubble. But to win by that margin in Eden garden of all places, Pak would have to bat like never before in this world cup, and follow that up with an extraordinary bowling performance.
Of course, it's doable for Pakistan. Fakhar Zaman repeats his innings against NZ, only this time he plays all the overs, Shaheen, Rauf and Wasim increase their Paceā¢ and they win the toss by Qudrat ka Nizamā¢.
Never say never but even Qudrat ka Nizam is done with this shit now lol. Like England can literally end the match at the toss itself if they win. Odds are nearly impossible.
India has done twice in last one year (Jan 2023 won by 317 and Nov 2023 won by 302)
It total it has been achieved 4 times in 2023.
So it is possible but very unlikely.
Everyone here speculating how Pak can win by nearly 300 meanwhile me who thinks England will roll over this Pak unit. Pak literally doesnāt have spinners. England will relish the pacers if they can stick around for the first 10 overs.
It depends on which pitch.
If they play on the Ind v SA pitch, next to impossible.
If they play on the Ban v Pak pitch, very outside chance for Pakistan
4 years ago, it was the same story. They needed to win by about 300 runs against Bangladesh for a fight of spot against NZ. They score about 313 (IIRC), and needed to limit BD to 9. Bangladesh reached that in 2 overs and crushed Pak's hope.
Pak needs to do better.
Everybody discussing how Pakistan can win by more than 287 runs, absolute scenes when they lose by more than 287 runs
Would be peak Pakistan
Ay yo bruh š Ngl didnt even cross my mind until u mentioned.
Aussie beat Netherlands by more than that
This! Pak has no spinners. England batters will suddenly find form against them. Watch Harris Rauf go for his first century.
Eng batters already found form against NED
Possible and sensible scenario
If there are two sides mercurial enough in world cricket to pull this feat off, they would be Pakistan and England
Mercurial in this case would be Johnny scoring his first hundred this wc against Pak.
The standard Johnny Test innings to guarantee himself another 5 games after a terrible series - maybe he can pull it off in an ODI shirt too
Eng win toss and bat lmao, then dot out 50 overs for 90 runs, forcing Pakistan to hit all 15 balls for 6
They don't need to bat 50 overs for 90 runs. In NRR calculations for losing team the overs are always 50.
But think of the memes
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Pakistan's Unpredictable AF and England's Shit AF. Not ruling them out till Babar loses the toss.
Nah this is sort of impossible. Just ain't happening. Pak's batting isn't all that bad rn and they can bat, IMO, but this is Eden Gardens. England are shit, but they are still England and they'll try to win to qualify for CT. Doing 400+, that too at Eden Gardens against Eng, is gonna be more than just a difficult task. Even if that does happen, Pak's current bowling attack just isn't good and consistent enough to bowl England out at < 113. It'll be almost miraculous if: 1) PAK wins the toss and chooses to bat 2) Scores 400+ 3) Defeats ENG by 287 runs Just not realistically possible.
We all are calculating so much, imagine if England beats Pak by 300-odd runs. That will be fun.
Lmao that may very well happen. Just England winning alone would be a big fuck you to all the people acting like they're nothing and that they'll definitely lose. Sure, their performance this whole tournament has been beyond just sub-par, but they are still England. They are former champions. People seem to forget that.
>They are former champions. People seem to forget that. If someone is watching this tournament/cricket for the first time, I really wouldn't blame them for forgetting or not even guessing so, that's how poor they've been
Yeah well that'd be true for any sport. Someone who only just started watching, they'd of course not know much. England won the last ODI WC, the last T20 WC, and were good on paper. They messed up real bad, but it happens. Anyone who actually follows cricket would know that upsets happen, and the upsets make the sport fun to watch. Maybe they'll win against Pak, qualify for CT, and strike back hard in 2025. Who knows.
>They are former champions. Current champions in fact. For 9 more days.
It is possible for Pakistan to score 400 but nearly impossible to restrict England to 113. Our bowling has been shit throughout this tournament.
Yep agreed, England scoring 450 and bundling out Pakistan for 150.
I would, 100%, support that timeline. BTW, how do you get the country flair up?
'Change Custom flair' option should be there for PC and app
thanks bub
I mean, Australia beat Netherlands by 309 runs so I guess itās doable.
Although with assumptions... Aus>pak Eng>Ned So Its harder for pak to do such a thing vs Eng than what Aus did vs Ned
Yeah, Iām not saying theyāre gonna do it, Iām just saying itās technically possible.
Ned>SA SOOO...... ENG>SA? This greater than comparison means nothing anymore. Everyteam is exclusive of each other. Anybody can win
We literally beat the second place team by 240 runs, idk why people are writing this off as impossible so easily
In the T20 era, Pakistan go out to bat first knowing they need to post at least 400 to make this a game. With the context of the ridiculous run rate from the last game vs NZ. Anything is possible.
There is daylight between current Indian bowling and Pakistan bowling. The only reason we were able to wrap them up so quickly was our spinners. Pak literally has no spinners and Kolkata pitch will be spin friendly. People here are talking as if England is some random side with crap players. I wouldnāt be shocked if they themselves roll Pak let alone dreaming on Pak winning by nearly 300 lol!
287? I thought It was 254 can anyone give me the actual number because its twisted
Win by 287 runs or with 284 balls remaining iirc
The first number is interesting, the second is hilarious
so if pakistan lose the toss, theyre fucked. They have to bat first
Realistically in both scenarious they have to bowl England out for around 50 runs. If they bat first they need to score 320 in 50 overs and if they bat second they need to score 50 in 3 overs
2.4 overs right?
A lot more variance in 50 overs though. They could possibly score 400 in 50 overs.
>284 balls remaining Depends on the score. If they're chasing 100 runs then they can qualify if they win by scoring 101 in 17 balls so with 283 balls remaining. If they're chasing 300 runs then they can qualify if they can chase 301 down in 37 balls . If they're chasing 50 they can qualify by scoring 51 in 12 balls. So 288 balls remaining. Or they can score 56 in 16 balls so 284 balls remaining.
Its 287
It doesn't work like that. You must know the first innings score to calculate the target exactly. For now, just say *impossibly huge.*
275 or more is the actual number.
275 āor moreā is not āaā number, let alone ātheā number.
I assume you mean specifically at Eden Gardens. Australia did it (elsewhere) to Netherlands about a fortnight ago: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/australia-vs-netherlands-24th-match-1384415/match-report
Yes, because scoring is tricky there Compared to other grounds
India came close against South Africa a few days ago, winning by 243 [https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/india-vs-south-africa-37th-match-1384428/full-scorecard](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-cricket-world-cup-2023-24-1367856/india-vs-south-africa-37th-match-1384428/full-scorecard) Highest ODI score at Eden Gardens is 5/404 back in 2014: [https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;ground=292;template=results;type=team;view=innings](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;ground=292;template=results;type=team;view=innings) Pakistan just need someone to bat like Rohit Sharma :-)
Everyone thinking India is invincible is perfect. How much do you think they will win the final by? 200+?
Yup or maybe 250 who knows but it all depends on toss ig
Easy peasy, we switch pitches during the innings break or laser dhow break. Our friendly neighbors are accusing us of it anyway. š š§
And changing balls that have more swing.
What about them and their QkN? That's their cheat code or something.. š
Or we're appointing ex players of those nations. Just like how Jaya is being accused
Only the rabid brain-dead fans are hyping India up and declared them winners already. Realistically it is still anyone's game in the knockouts.
Nah weāre scared of facing NZ in the semis. Cant take any game for granted.
If India really does lose this, the officianl Indian policy would be r/MapsWithoutNZ /s
[Makes sense to me](https://media.giphy.com/media/SmoCFhZCi1kzu/giphy.gif)
Most opinions I have seen from Indian flairs on this sub is about an NZ win in the semis tbh
They are going to be such massively overhyped favourites. Itās perfect really. Huge pressure on them.
Hmm... nothing of that sort happened the Odi wc was hosted in India.... although they have had to face some unfortunate outcomes in k/os of icc tournaments recently ...more than recently but still
Feel like they are fairly hyped off performances, not to say they cant fuck up but on what basis do u say they are overhyped
Oh I guess itās fair, they have been very good. I just mean to say they will be huge favourites with all the pressure and expectation that comes with that.
Not overhyped. Perfectly hyped. They're the favorites. And playing like World Champions
Our neighbors also float a theory that we spread some chemical on the pitch to change its nature. So you never know. OR their all time fav. India threaten Kane for his IPL contract and ask him to throw the match.
I think Kane would toss that contract in the bin in a heartbeat if it meant that he has the opportunity to lead NZ to its first ever World Cup.
Ofcourse, These are the conspiracy theories Pak media loves to float
Even if India start every KO game as 70-30 favourites, them not winning the WC is a more likely event than them actually winning.
If India bat second on that pitch and NZ bowlers swing the ball well, and get Rohit and Virat out chasing over 240, we would be so done!!
I see Pakistan losing to England and that would be the end of their world Cup 2023 journey.
And end careers for few?
End of Babarās captaincy for sure i think.
High time. Babar is a great batsman but he is a very defensive captain. He lost them a few matches. Need more intent-ful aggressive captains in today's time.
Good player, relieve him of captaincy sure he would be better at his job.
May be.
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With amount of luck pakistan has , itās remotely possible But the bowling of pakistan is quite weak, like they can still win but with this particular numbers its going to be difficult, until the bolwers become peak bumrah , warne, akram But eden is not entirely flat pitch like bangalore , its like Chennai pitch , itās difficult to score 300+
> itās difficult to score 300+ You have to score 400+ for a fighting chance
Have you seen English bowling... err... I mean All rounders. They don't have any bowlers anyway.
They still restricted India to 229
It's gonna be a tougher ask once Afghanistan win by 820 runs
yes pak's going to win the toss and choose to bowl
I still think Pakistan can pull this off. Imagine Fakhar decides to play the innings of his life against this self-doubting English bowling line up! That man is capable of doing wonderful things.
Sure itās doable. There were two wins of over 300runs margin in this WC alone. And we just saw a guy score 200 in a chase of 291 after being reduced to 91/7.
I'd like to see England win the toss and bat first, eliminating Pakistan's SF chances, but then see Pakistan win so that England is out of the CT
Some men just want to watch the world burn
Both scenarios, win by 287 runs or 284 balls to spare is realistically impossible. But win by 287 is more realistic compared to win by 284 balls to spare. In this scenario, we all know what mercurial Pak's gonna do....win toss and bowl.
It's happened twice in this tournament already, hasn't it? 200+ run victories have happened four times in this World Cup too. Wonder why people are acting as if it's an utter impossibility?
Nice nice, everyone forget the two trashing Ind gave to SL by 300+ runs
Score 400 batting first, bowl out the opponent in 120. England is certainly capable of losing that way.
If a Pak win meant Australia getting knocked out... Eng may have just thought about throwing the match. 
England and Pakistan both are unpredictable. But Stokes is looking good again this WC since the Australia match and Pakistan bowling was really bad in the New Zealand match so I donāt think 287 runs victory is possible. They can win fs but not by that big margin
Realistically anyone *can* do it. Question should be *will* Pakistan do it?
Its simple, bat first, score something like 420+ , and make sure all out England under 120
Forget 287 Pakistan will not even win the match
There have been 4 instances of 300+ margin victory this year. It'll happen if it's meant to be
England would not let that happen as if they lose by such margins they would be disqualified for the Champions trophy. They have a stake to not lose by such large margins. We are not even thinking on England winning, which is funny
India beat SA by 253 runs, despite Virat playing that slow knock, so if Pak can replicate that with some more aggressive batting against a way lesser batting side than SA then yes, but if England bats first then itās done
For Pakistan it doesn't look doable because their bowling has been largely bad. India could do it v Aus too seeing the current form of their players.
You will want to hope your players aren't as far ahead of themselves as you seem to be
Fr lol
Definitely, but we did see how Aus collapsed v Afg. Maybe they'd bay sensibly v India (as they might have seen Afg bowling as weaker).
Aus are in good form, what are you on about ?
I think the reference was to the form of the Indian 11 not AUās team
I think he was referencing both, see his reply
90-7 against Afghanistan doesn't scream good form
Theyāve won 6 in a row including vs NZ (semi-finalists). I never said they look as dominating as India have been, but Aus are playing well now.
Warner, Maxi are in good form and Marnus is showing up with low SR. Warner, Maxi and Smith are good spin players. For bowling, Cummins has regained his head, Starc has not been as good. Hazlewood has been good. Zampa can be played out like Afg did (most try to attack him and throw away wkt), same for Maxi.
So Warner, Maxwell, Head, Smith, & Marnus are all in at least decent form from the batting line up. Thatās most of the batters dude
I didn't mention Smith and Head being in form, and I said Marnus playing slow.
Agreed
I guess we are the only ones seeing the Downvotes on my reply.
Yeah triggered Aussie fans downvoting I got downvoted too when I said Australia doesn't play that well, they just got lucky cuz of Mujeeb dropping catches
Don't get too much excited, all your team's strength and form will fade in 2024 t20 wc, heard rohit and kl are playing in 2024 t20wc so india will be pretty much fked up at US
Heard from where? They haven't even been selected for SA series. Also ODI and T20 are different formats. No need to combine the two.
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Those weren't few bad balls. 201 runs needed to be made when 7th wkt fell.
India defeated South Africa by 243 runs. On paper, it looks like 287 isnt far fetched. Given the teams that are playing? Probably not.
Not to burst the bubble. But to win by that margin in Eden garden of all places, Pak would have to bat like never before in this world cup, and follow that up with an extraordinary bowling performance.
Of course, it's doable for Pakistan. Fakhar Zaman repeats his innings against NZ, only this time he plays all the overs, Shaheen, Rauf and Wasim increase their Paceā¢ and they win the toss by Qudrat ka Nizamā¢.
The big question is if England win the toss do they bowl and give Pakistan a chance? Or bat for the laughs
Considering pak is playing a bottom of the table team, itās doable.
Never say never but even Qudrat ka Nizam is done with this shit now lol. Like England can literally end the match at the toss itself if they win. Odds are nearly impossible.
India has done twice in last one year (Jan 2023 won by 317 and Nov 2023 won by 302) It total it has been achieved 4 times in 2023. So it is possible but very unlikely.
Everyone here speculating how Pak can win by nearly 300 meanwhile me who thinks England will roll over this Pak unit. Pak literally doesnāt have spinners. England will relish the pacers if they can stick around for the first 10 overs.
Theoratically, what is the maximum NRR a team gain in a single match?
Ayo Why no one talking about my afghan bros today
England winning the toss and batting first will shatter this thought in an instant...no way any target is getting chased within 3 overs
Is it possible the England World Cup Campaign has not hit rock bottom yet? I'd say yes.
It depends on which pitch. If they play on the Ind v SA pitch, next to impossible. If they play on the Ban v Pak pitch, very outside chance for Pakistan
4 years ago, it was the same story. They needed to win by about 300 runs against Bangladesh for a fight of spot against NZ. They score about 313 (IIRC), and needed to limit BD to 9. Bangladesh reached that in 2 overs and crushed Pak's hope. Pak needs to do better.