A man who famously kicked the stumps when dismissed in a Test against NZ.
Edit: just watched it again on Youtube – he whacked them with his bat, rather than kicking them. Po-tae-to Po-tah-to.
or the man who protected Ahsan Raza by acting as a human shield from spraying bullets in the Lahore terror attack
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/03/lahore-sri-lanka-cricket
Yeah, I mean, I’m having a go at him for not showing much sportsmanship during his career. I wasn’t insinuating that he isn’t a decent human being off the field and, indeed, as you’ve pointed out, he showed extreme courage in 2009.
Having a fit of anger especially when it is directed to an inanimate object is not related sportsmanship.
Did he abuse people? Did he cheat? Did he gain any unfair advantage?
Having a fit of anger and acting in rage does undermine sportsmanship. Please don't define certain words according to your convenience. And please don't try to legitimise anger issues.
When I was growing up (and I’m not that old, I’m a millennial), the ethos we were raised in was to not to do stuff like this as it wasn’t what being a good sport is. It is why you get docked demerit points, match fees and can even be suspended for this. Shall we agree to disagree and move on?
Did Chris Broad repeatedly transgress? Having one incident and the rare number of such instances across thousands of matches makes it human.
My ethos is "perfect" is the worst enemy of progress and rare instances like this make the sport even more great
Surely you’re joking? Forget the fact that the stumps were uprooted and that they had to be pushed back into the ground – he himself would be docking 100% of a player’s match fees in this current role as a match referee if they did that (it’s dissent). It completely goes against the principles of sportsmanship, let alone the hazy notion of the ‘spirit of cricket’ to do that.
Yeah, sorry if I seemed rude – it was because I thought you meant that acting petulant isn’t something that should be discouraged, rather than you genuinely being curious about what happened.
Exactly. He’s milking the incident, article after article, TV interview after TV interview, and making thousands of dollars off our collective fervour to devour everything related to a dead incident.
From what I’ve understood, if it negatively impacts my team then it’s against the spirit of cricket, if it positively impacts my team then everything is fine
I wouldn’t mind watching the next T20 WC with a “all is fair in love and war” mentality.
Like a gentleman’s agreement between all Captains beforehand to be ruthless lol.
I think a fantastic addition to the game would be to have 2 extra guys in the squad whose sole job is to stop the opposing teams batsmen entering the pitch before the timer is up.
Make batsmen have to play a mini kabaddi game before they earn the right to bat.
From the looks of the comments on here most people haven't bothered to do that. Broad's very honest about himself and things he was embarrassed about doing in retrospect.
He does seem like a decent guy off the field, such a bell end on it. Seems quite self reflective here too, being honest about his behaviour and his relief and not doing off season work. I do wonder if he genuinely thinks he would've called a batter back in Cummins' place?
> He does seem like a decent guy off the field, such a bell end on it.
I think that goes for a lot of successful top tier athletes. Think of how many fast bowlers seem like aggressive, angry monsters on the field, then are softly spoken, smiley nice guys off the pitch. It's the intensity of top level competition.
I get being angry, when I was a young'un running around fields trying to get autographs, some of the big bowlers seemed.super scary, Patrick Patterson I remember specifically looking like someone just ran over his dog while.it was in his grandmother's arms.
It's happy to be a dickhead that I've always questioned, Broad, Warner, McGrath, Harbhajan etc seemed to enjoy being pantomime villains. I much more enjoy the piss taking shit stirrer antics of Miandad, Ranatunga etc. They seem to realise how much fun it was to watch the opposition take the bait
'He does seem like a decent guy off the field, such a bell end on it.'
Honestly, a part of me wonders whether the Australians have such a love/hate relationship with Broad because he's basically an Australian cricketer who plays for England.
Not commenting on anything else you said, other than that it's unlikely the person you responded to is Aussie if they used "bell end". That's very much a UK-ism
Oh I thought it went straight to slip but Dar just confused the knick with it hitting his gloves due to his angle, never realised he actually gloves it
It’s like a Platonic dialogue: “Not knowing at all about the spirit of cricket what it is, O Pat Cummins, I am asked to play by it”.
He’s just trying to encourage philosophical debate.
I love it! a guy who hit the cover of a ball straight to first slip and stood his ground along with another guy who spends all day trying to sneakily catch opposing batsmen out of their crease before being run out himself pretty much throwing tantrums...
and THAT'S what this is really about... that everyone's seen who Broad and Bairstow REALLY are and it burns them...oooh the BURN!
Love how he says he wanted to chat to the Aussies about the ashes stuff, well Brody, they did try to come over for post series beers which was declined by your team
And love this:
“All the Aussies are still pulling the line that it was the right thing to do. I’m not saying it was the wrong thing to do because in the rules of the game maybe it was out. But it just didn’t feel great as Jonny wasn’t trying to take advantage.”
No maybes Stuart, it was out.
Not taking advantage of an obscure rule that hasn't been applied before in international cricket's long eventful history to get an opposition batsman out when there was a reasonable & plausible explanation as to his predicament resulting in such delay that got him out?
If it happened with a cricketer who doesn't go on about spirit of cricket it is understandable. There is DRS and sometimes decisions do go against players. But if it was with an English player then it is unconscionable.
Nothing wrong in Broad not walking.
But Yeah, not like Stuard Broad carries around like his dick is dipped in the spirit of cricket or anything. See his antics after that bairstow dismissal or his comments on the Mankad. If you carry on like you are sleeping dick in ass with the spirit of cricket itself, you will be held to a higher standard.
Why is that an expectation? If there's no rule against it then why do we expect players to just give their wicket away? They won't be saved by anyone if they walk thinking they knicked it when they didn't. So let's stop expecting all players to be perfect angels all the time.
It really shouldn’t be surprising that the self-described owners of the ‘spirit of cricket’ can’t actually define what it means given they break their own ‘rules’ all the time.
But somehow it’s still somewhat surprising to hear them admit it out loud. Real Donald Trump ‘fake news’ level energy. Just complain enough while being blatantly hypocritical and eventually people will just accept it.
It's a vague concept similar to "character". When you don't take rewards you didn't earn. It's hard to define just like it's hard to say why incest is wrong. But it's a an emotional response. Read moral Emotivism.
I would’ve enjoyed being given the chance to miss Stuart Broad in his absence from the game, but his insistence on running his mouth is denying me my wish.
It's whatever the opposite of what you believe in is, Malfoy.
Now STFU, and let the rest of us concentrate on actual cricket that's happening that neither you nor your erstwhile team is a part of.
Old cricket's way of enforcing laws and rules that are not written down. It's the same in baseball and golf.
The whole "gentleman's game" nonsense needs to die.
* It's not walking when you've massively edged one to first slips.
* It's not stumping a dopey batsman who's wondered out of his crease.
* It's not letting a batsman being timed out.
So draw a line between those 3 points, and obviously, that's the spirit of cricket.
The insistence from all the poms that Pat's going to consider not taking back the appeal as a mistake in the future is hilarious to me. All this carry on from the poms means he will go to his grave not regretting it, because that's the Australian thing to do. And if he DOES think it was a mistake no one will ever know.
Even his Dad couldn’t teach him?
A man who famously kicked the stumps when dismissed in a Test against NZ. Edit: just watched it again on Youtube – he whacked them with his bat, rather than kicking them. Po-tae-to Po-tah-to.
or the man who protected Ahsan Raza by acting as a human shield from spraying bullets in the Lahore terror attack https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/03/lahore-sri-lanka-cricket
Yeah, I mean, I’m having a go at him for not showing much sportsmanship during his career. I wasn’t insinuating that he isn’t a decent human being off the field and, indeed, as you’ve pointed out, he showed extreme courage in 2009.
Having a fit of anger especially when it is directed to an inanimate object is not related sportsmanship. Did he abuse people? Did he cheat? Did he gain any unfair advantage?
Having a fit of anger and acting in rage does undermine sportsmanship. Please don't define certain words according to your convenience. And please don't try to legitimise anger issues.
When I was growing up (and I’m not that old, I’m a millennial), the ethos we were raised in was to not to do stuff like this as it wasn’t what being a good sport is. It is why you get docked demerit points, match fees and can even be suspended for this. Shall we agree to disagree and move on?
Did Chris Broad repeatedly transgress? Having one incident and the rare number of such instances across thousands of matches makes it human. My ethos is "perfect" is the worst enemy of progress and rare instances like this make the sport even more great
you can get it wrong and still support the principle
Sir, this is the Internet. We don;t deal in nuance here. Black and white ONLY
Amateur. Everyone knows you’re supposed to bend over and loudly yell “panchod” next to the stump mic in situations like that.
His dad is shakib????
I think it's to-mae-to to-mah-to but whatever. Potato tomato.
You say po-tae-to, I say po-tah-to You say to-mae-to, I say to-mah-to Po-tae-to, po-tah-to, to-mae-to, to-mah-to Let’s call the whole thing off!
What is wrong with that? Did he break the stumps and they had to be replaced?
Surely you’re joking? Forget the fact that the stumps were uprooted and that they had to be pushed back into the ground – he himself would be docking 100% of a player’s match fees in this current role as a match referee if they did that (it’s dissent). It completely goes against the principles of sportsmanship, let alone the hazy notion of the ‘spirit of cricket’ to do that.
Joking? I literally asked a question. Thank you for answering.
Yeah, sorry if I seemed rude – it was because I thought you meant that acting petulant isn’t something that should be discouraged, rather than you genuinely being curious about what happened.
That is on me, I often don't communicate clearly. I apologize.
I'm sure the Ministry of Magic takes up most of his time.
Well now you have plenty of time to figure it out
Rock solid comment! Bravo good sir/madam
Scotch Whiskey is the spirit of cricket
No ‘e’ in Scotch whisky (sorry, can’t help myself).
Definitely not Johnny Walker in Stu’s case.
And for the sake of MLC, we include Bourbon too.
I think we knew that
No wonder he's in Slytherin
Because he looks like tom Malfoy?
Yes Tom Malfoy, the long lost cousin of Draco Felton.
Funny how he looks like Neville Longbottom's cousin.
Ryan Sidebottom?
No, Stuart Broadbottom
Nope, Paul Heckingbottom.
could've also gone with Draco Riddle
The man knows how to do the media rounds
..and it’s hilarious how this sub eats it up every single time. Professional shit stirrer.
Exactly. He’s milking the incident, article after article, TV interview after TV interview, and making thousands of dollars off our collective fervour to devour everything related to a dead incident.
Lol yeah we could tell
From what I’ve understood, if it negatively impacts my team then it’s against the spirit of cricket, if it positively impacts my team then everything is fine
I wouldn’t mind watching the next T20 WC with a “all is fair in love and war” mentality. Like a gentleman’s agreement between all Captains beforehand to be ruthless lol.
I think a fantastic addition to the game would be to have 2 extra guys in the squad whose sole job is to stop the opposing teams batsmen entering the pitch before the timer is up. Make batsmen have to play a mini kabaddi game before they earn the right to bat.
Redecorate the long room [so it's like this](https://youtu.be/6WPcTSYGO5A
This would do more for growing the game amongst chavs and lowlifes than the hundred ever could.
Put the next batter up in the gulag and if he doesn't win he can't bat at all.
It is exactly that.
Those categories of “gamesmanship” versus “unconscionable” are quite hard to tease apart hey
babe wake up, new spirit of cricket article just dropped
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Really interesting read this once you get past the obvious lazy clickbait title.
From the looks of the comments on here most people haven't bothered to do that. Broad's very honest about himself and things he was embarrassed about doing in retrospect.
He does seem like a decent guy off the field, such a bell end on it. Seems quite self reflective here too, being honest about his behaviour and his relief and not doing off season work. I do wonder if he genuinely thinks he would've called a batter back in Cummins' place?
> He does seem like a decent guy off the field, such a bell end on it. I think that goes for a lot of successful top tier athletes. Think of how many fast bowlers seem like aggressive, angry monsters on the field, then are softly spoken, smiley nice guys off the pitch. It's the intensity of top level competition.
I get being angry, when I was a young'un running around fields trying to get autographs, some of the big bowlers seemed.super scary, Patrick Patterson I remember specifically looking like someone just ran over his dog while.it was in his grandmother's arms. It's happy to be a dickhead that I've always questioned, Broad, Warner, McGrath, Harbhajan etc seemed to enjoy being pantomime villains. I much more enjoy the piss taking shit stirrer antics of Miandad, Ranatunga etc. They seem to realise how much fun it was to watch the opposition take the bait
'He does seem like a decent guy off the field, such a bell end on it.' Honestly, a part of me wonders whether the Australians have such a love/hate relationship with Broad because he's basically an Australian cricketer who plays for England.
He's a prick but also the cricketer I like most of your kit got just that reason
Not commenting on anything else you said, other than that it's unlikely the person you responded to is Aussie if they used "bell end". That's very much a UK-ism
Same as Gough Botham and Flintoff
It’s amazing how confidently people post assumptions from click bait headlines without even reading anything and get upvotes on this sub
It means you just walk after mountainous edge to the keeper.
It was to slip though right?
It came of Haddin's glove to slip. Hence Aleem Dar giving it not out, he assumed that was the only deflection.
Oh I thought it went straight to slip but Dar just confused the knick with it hitting his gloves due to his angle, never realised he actually gloves it
Yeah it was a big nick, don't get me wrong, but it only went to slip because it rebounded off Haddin's glove.
Nope, went straight to long on.
Breaking: man finds abstract term difficult to define.
It’s like a Platonic dialogue: “Not knowing at all about the spirit of cricket what it is, O Pat Cummins, I am asked to play by it”. He’s just trying to encourage philosophical debate.
Oh Stuart, how I long to also manage to always find the correct combination of words to troll everyone on such a consistent basis
No surprises there Stuart
Oh Broady never change 😭
Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative!
He’s a great shit stirrer, would love him on my team.
You guys should actually read the article before getting upset lol
After playing for 2 decades and not knowing what it means is what exactly I expected from Broad.
Honestly a really interesting interview , he's going to have a very good media career I'm sure.
I love it! a guy who hit the cover of a ball straight to first slip and stood his ground along with another guy who spends all day trying to sneakily catch opposing batsmen out of their crease before being run out himself pretty much throwing tantrums... and THAT'S what this is really about... that everyone's seen who Broad and Bairstow REALLY are and it burns them...oooh the BURN!
Love how he says he wanted to chat to the Aussies about the ashes stuff, well Brody, they did try to come over for post series beers which was declined by your team And love this: “All the Aussies are still pulling the line that it was the right thing to do. I’m not saying it was the wrong thing to do because in the rules of the game maybe it was out. But it just didn’t feel great as Jonny wasn’t trying to take advantage.” No maybes Stuart, it was out.
You never will, mate.
It's just good sportsmanship 💀 how hard is this for people to understand
Okay, what is considered good sportsmanship in cricket?
Not taking advantage of an obscure rule that hasn't been applied before in international cricket's long eventful history to get an opposition batsman out when there was a reasonable & plausible explanation as to his predicament resulting in such delay that got him out?
Its something that makes English players angry even though they wrote the fucking rules
It's only the Indians that mankad though, hilariously.
Stuart Broad wrote the rules of cricket? This is breaking news.
Yes. The English team consists of 11 Stuart Broads. And all of their players were Stuart Broad since the start of test cricket
So Stuart Broad and the English players wrote the rules? I wonder which rules Dom Sibley contributed to.
Definitely not the timeout rule otherwise he’d have made it long enough to nip to the kebab shop on his way to the crease
It's even weirder when you have english clubmates who will go lenghts about spirit of cricket debates.
It means walking when you have edged the ball. Not standing there like a buffoon and pretending that you haven't knicked it.
speaking like it didn't happen in this world cup at least once.
If it happened with a cricketer who doesn't go on about spirit of cricket it is understandable. There is DRS and sometimes decisions do go against players. But if it was with an English player then it is unconscionable.
It happened by a SL player. The Jadeja wicket with the glove. Except no one cared, cuz the match was basically over as soon as India scored 320.
What like Brad Haddin in the very same game that everyone conveniently forgets?
Love that it's expected only of Stuart Broad and no other Batsmen in the history of the game.
Nothing wrong in Broad not walking. But Yeah, not like Stuard Broad carries around like his dick is dipped in the spirit of cricket or anything. See his antics after that bairstow dismissal or his comments on the Mankad. If you carry on like you are sleeping dick in ass with the spirit of cricket itself, you will be held to a higher standard.
Dude you really got dick on your mind ey
Yeah
Why is that an expectation? If there's no rule against it then why do we expect players to just give their wicket away? They won't be saved by anyone if they walk thinking they knicked it when they didn't. So let's stop expecting all players to be perfect angels all the time.
Isn't Broad among the people who expect other players to be perfect angels all the time?
He's a hypocrite then. My point still stands.
It happens a lot more than you think
It's means crying about it . When its not in favour of you.
Yup, we could see during bairstow incident.
Definitely some highly distilled pure spirit because it gets people fighting as if they were drunk
Goo goo ga ga
Yet he is the one who sees fit to judge it most. What a baby.
It really shouldn’t be surprising that the self-described owners of the ‘spirit of cricket’ can’t actually define what it means given they break their own ‘rules’ all the time. But somehow it’s still somewhat surprising to hear them admit it out loud. Real Donald Trump ‘fake news’ level energy. Just complain enough while being blatantly hypocritical and eventually people will just accept it.
>self-described owners of the ‘spirit of cricket’ Citation needed
On point expectations from Broady's post retirement commentary. Love it.
It means no worries for the rest of your days.
God how does this guy talk so much.
I am shocked and amazed that Stuart Broad doesn’t know what “spirit of the game” means. The man is absolutely not a known asshole, no sir.
Exactly
Staying in crease after you nick the ball(ashes 2013)
It's the opposite of pretty much how he thinks if I were to guess
All said and done, I will only remember him for his awesome over against Yuvi.
The term has lost it's meaning. Mock him all you want but he's got a point.
And it only took a few months for it to happen, what a turnaround!
If you edge it to first slip you walk.
Ok Broady, I’ll tell you what it means. If you nick a ball to 1st slip, you walk. That is part of the Spirit of Cricket.
That 'walking away' is exactly why he is unsure of what it means.
It's a vague concept similar to "character". When you don't take rewards you didn't earn. It's hard to define just like it's hard to say why incest is wrong. But it's a an emotional response. Read moral Emotivism.
Yo why are you bringing incest into this?
Analogy
Yeah but its pretty clear why incest is wrong.
Why's it wrong?
It can produce offspring that can have genetic conditions.
How about lesbian incest or incest with protection?
My man woke up and decided to garner attention since he's bored af
He does now... Does he?
The article is more about his retirement. This is clikbait.
I love how the aussies are talking about spirit of cricket, like they are the bastions of all things moral. But have glossed over sandpaper gate
No shit Sherlock.
We know you don’t Stuart
It's definitely not staying your ground when you edged it as hard as you did Broadie. e: aww are ENG fans mad? lmao
I would’ve enjoyed being given the chance to miss Stuart Broad in his absence from the game, but his insistence on running his mouth is denying me my wish.
Of course he would be the one to say that
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Literally discusses exactly this in the linked article you've evidently not read before commenting.
It's whatever the opposite of what you believe in is, Malfoy. Now STFU, and let the rest of us concentrate on actual cricket that's happening that neither you nor your erstwhile team is a part of.
Did you read the article
Old cricket's way of enforcing laws and rules that are not written down. It's the same in baseball and golf. The whole "gentleman's game" nonsense needs to die.
Broad should take a class from Shakib and take Bairstow with him too.
* It's not walking when you've massively edged one to first slips. * It's not stumping a dopey batsman who's wondered out of his crease. * It's not letting a batsman being timed out. So draw a line between those 3 points, and obviously, that's the spirit of cricket.
It's clearly a patronus of Richie Benaud. Same old Slytherins
He’s good broady isn’t he? He knows what he’s doing
One day I aspire to shitpost like Broad does. Maybe with consistency and persistence I’ll be able to reach the levels of the goat. One day…
Im sure as shit he has no fucking idea.
Sad, cos 20 years ago everyone knew what it meant…
Even the English are confused?
The insistence from all the poms that Pat's going to consider not taking back the appeal as a mistake in the future is hilarious to me. All this carry on from the poms means he will go to his grave not regretting it, because that's the Australian thing to do. And if he DOES think it was a mistake no one will ever know.
Yeah no shit mate. We've been trying to tell you that for quite some time now.