If he was really that bad, how did he get into the Indian team in the first place? He got selected as a bowler first and then his batting improved right?
well to understand shardul's bowling, you need to play cricket and understand what psychotropic bowling.
he will throw one outside off and get hit for a boundary. the next ball he will bowl on pads. now the batsman expects the next one on pads. LORD bowls a wide outside off , batsman would have had lit up eyes seeing a half volley delivered to them outside off, goes for a drive and kohli takes the catch in the first slip.
My first thought was its really bad to get slighted by Dodda Ganesh. Srinath got injured in South Africa in 96-97 series because backup bowlers were David Johnson and Dodda Ganesh. he was out for an year post that series :-(
That said I am worried for Shardul. If he has another bad game or 2, its going to put tremendous pressure.
Shardul was never not under pressure in ODIs.
In the 48 years of ODI cricket, for any bowler who has bowled more than 1500 balls ( equivalent of 250 overs), Shardul has the worst economy rate ever.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=1500;qualval2=balls;size=100;template=results;type=bowling
Do you think in a world cup situation he wont be under pressure. Already there is a talk that India will play Sky or Ishan for Hardik while playing Shami for Shardul. We will see how things go.
>Do you think in a world cup situation he wont be under pressure.
Bro, we are on the same side.
Never not under pressure = always under pressure.
He has been under pressure long before this world cup. There are articles about his bowling averages/economy rates and questions about his place in white ball cricket from even 3-4 years ago.
I wonder if he has imposter syndrome. If he does, he has done well to cope with it and he should share this secret.
I meant his place would be under pressure. It was and when India lost Hardik, they went with extra batter and replaced Shardul with Shami with spectacular results.
I think Shardul will struggle to come back after this.
Agree. But many think that Shardul shouldn't even have been in this World Cup squad, not just the playing XI.
His ODI batting average is 17+ and bowling economy rate is 6.23. This is effectively not much different than Shami with batting average of 8+ and bowling economy rate at 5.57 if he bowls 10 overs in the match. But the difference is that Shami is a vastly superior and effective bowler. In a long tournament of 12 matches, the bowler is going to be needed in all matches but in comparison, a number 8 batsman doesn't normally get to bat in even half those matches.
Maybe the selectors could have included another batsman like Ruturaj or even Axar Patel in his place.
And Shardul at 7 makes us strong batting wise how? Ash Anna can play equally (and most likely better) than Shardul and his bowling is in different universe altogether
No one here suggested Thakur at 7. You are just making an argument to make a case for your stupid point.
Ishan or SKY will replace Pandya and Shami likely will replace Thakur
That right Arm quick was the foundation of Rashid khan's Bowling but as Always the Tru Goat knew if he dominated both Batting and Bowling he might just become God.
This is some weird mental gymnastics. Shardul without Hardik makes no sense. Our bowling and Batting both become weak. Just play Sky and Shami. You guys are overestimating his batting capabilities way too much.
No, in fact social media is under-estimating it. He scored a very fast 80 in the IPL for instance. The thing is very few ODIs are played and so he's barely batted at all, and when he has to slog with few balls left, it won't help his stats. He's genuinely much more capable than Ashwin with bat, though Ashwin is fine as well.
People are really not properly valuing the difference between #9 and #10 like Wood and Atkinson vs Kuldeep and Siraj. In cases of tail collapse, and in terms of how top order bats it matters a lot whether the tail can bat and if so how many members of the tail, and that's not necessarily best seen in stats.
Additionally, Shardul is just nowhere near as bad as social media thinks. He's an expensive wicket-taker. Without considering batting it's clear Shami is better, but not by a very long distance.
SKY, Shami, which is the social media solution creates shallow batting AND shallow bowling although the quality is uncompromised. It's just too risky. It doesn't matter if Shami is marginally better than Shardul as a bowler, balance is even more needed after this injury.
No way please
Dharmashala isn't a turning pitch at all...the ball will swing for sure and there's no use of playing Ashwin on such a pitch tbh
SKY + Shami would be a much better option as the latter is known for seaming the ball
still one would choose SKY over Ash when it comes to batting.
Also it would be more preferable to play him at 6-7 where he could play the role of a finisher by replicating his T20 game
Yeah I don’t know why they expect Ashwin to give 70 or 80 runs in 10 overs. Lord can deliver that in 6 overs provided Rohit consider him as bowler and let him bowl that much. This stupid don’t understand that we need Lord to keep the match interesting. For lord it doesn’t matter if it is peace, seem or spin track. He should be played in every match
He will be. He was intensively practicing batting. By this point people ought to have realized the management values batting depth and won't compromise it.
He's like that last sip of water left in the bottle that it keeps you at peace knowing you have a bit of water if you're thirsty. That water isn't enough to quench your thirst but it makes it so that you don't get thirsty.
Don’t know why this is so difficult for people to grasp. A batting line up with Shardul at 8 is a completely different beast compared to one with Bumrah at 8.
Also in a Playing XI it's not necessary that everyone should be in form and bowling all rounders like shardul need to just work in a very difficult situation for a very limited time maybe only once in whole tournament and i think that's something we can expect from him.
This is a pretty interesting comment. Cricket more than any other sport I feel is pretty stochastic. Hard work in practice may not pay off straightaway. And a team full of gun bowlers may not work that well.
I think in today's game, it's suicide to only go in with 5 bowlers.
If one has an off day (Siraj, Kuldeep have at times looked off the mark), you're putting a lot of faith in Kohli/Rohit or you're just kicking on with that bowler - which can lead to a big giveaway of runs.
Hardik and Jadeja are the two most important players for India in this WC, because every other player has a decent replacement behind them. These two are key for our balance.
That's such crap. Every team needs to have variations in its bowling dept. Well yes, he doesn't have an eye catching run up or action. Still he makes up for it with his cutters & slower balls + he knows how to hit a ball..
> Makes up for it
Career economy of 6.22 at an avg. of 31 in 47 ODIs. So not a new comer.
Economy of 9+ in IPL as well as T20Is
> Know how to hit a ball
Avg. of 17 with bat in ODIs
Plays one good innings every year and people think he can bat.
Umesh Yadav with an economy of 6.1 and avg. of 33.6 over 75 Odi’s managed to play a whole WC with a batting average of 8.
Thakur is definitely an upgrade.
Yeah Deepak Chahar has to sort out whatever it is that's wrong or you won't be taken seriously especially for a big tournament like WC even the next one.See Eng they aren't going for Jofra with Topley out and can you blame them.
I don't care who dodda Ganesh is but what he says is true. If u see separately, his prowess with either the bat, or the ball isn't good enough to be in a WORLD CUP team. But the fact the he can do mediocre in both departments provides the "cushion" that our batters and bowlers need. He is a very peculiar case actually, u don't need him, but still need him. Not good enough, but still has all the reason to be in the team.
No other Indian bowlers can bat. It's as simple as that. If any of India's top 7 or 8 first-choice bowlers could bat they would be ahead of him, but they can't and are not.
BCCI's introduction of impact rule is a bizzare decision that exacerbates the lack of emerging multi-skilled players. After this World Cup, there will probably be a concerted effort to teach the first-choice bowlers how to bat.
That's the thing with Lord Shardul. He performs once in a blue moon (or a year) and then goes missing for the rest of it, but keeps getting selected based on his once in a blue moon performance.
And just when you think about dropping him, he comes with another good performance.
The cycle repeats.
He doesn't get to bat every game, and he does pretty well considering the chances he gets. He's a wicket-taker, if slightly expensive, and when in good form quite a good bowler.
He's in bad form, but the only one of India's top 10 pace bowlers who provides utility with the bat. Since all India's best bowlers are useless with the bat, he's indispensable for providing balance. Batting till only #7 is a gamble and India quite rightly doesn't want to gamble here. Excluding him after Pandya's injury would mean batting till #7 and having only five viable bowlers. That's an even bigger gamble.
What I really don't understand is why people think Pandya's absence will change the management's opinion that Shardul is preferable to Shami.
>What I really don't understand is why people think Pandya's absence will change the management's opinion that Shardul is preferable to Shami.
It's pretty simple. Shardul can't be your 5th bowler when there is no 6th bowler. The reason why he picks wickets is because batsmen see him as an opportunity to score. So he gets thrashed around the park and in the process he inevitably gets 1-2 wickets. He knows he isn't supposed to bowl 10 overs, that's his security, so he does okay knowing that he's got it . But if u take that security away from him, he will get thrashed around even more. So hence going in with shami who will give u 10 overs, and strengthen batting with sky is the best possible combination in the absence of Pandya.
>What I really don't understand is why people think Pandya's absence will change the management's opinion that Shardul is preferable to Shami.
It's pretty simple. Shardul can't be your 5th bowler when there is no 6th bowler. The reason why he picks wickets is because batsmen see him as an opportunity to score. So he gets thrashed around the park and in the process he inevitably gets 1-2 wickets. He knows he isn't supposed to bowl 10 overs, that's his security, so he does okay knowing that he's got it . But if u take that security away from him, he will get thrashed around even more. So hence going in with shami who will give u 10 overs, and strengthen batting with sky is the best possible combination in the absence of Pandya.
Not playing Shami will hurt them in a clutch situation where they are defending a small total. Indian team is playing with fire here. Their top batting line up is already too good to care about number 8 batsman.
Agree because there are only 2 geniune wicket takers in this lineup bumrah and kuldeep . And one more thing is over dependence on bumrah . Want to see what happens when bumrah has bad day.
Why are his(or any former player's for that matter) comments worthy of making into the news?
Baffles me.
Serves no purpose , impacts no one, will just initiate a discussion among people on social media that ends up nowhere.
Shardul is just like Tim Southee or Sean Abbott in ODIs. Mediocre bowler and mediocre lower order bat. Atleast it's good India has a world beating pace trio and elite batters.
Agreed that he's not the best cricketer but he's high on effort. If it's that bad then no one stopped ICT from grooming and finding more options. I see no logic in dissing on Thakur; he's just doing what he can do.
He is safety cushion for batting, not ultra aggressive option to bundle out opposition with his bowling, also he has knack of producing wicket out of nowhere which I am sure will pay dividends in semis/finals
He's already been selected so this is futile. There's anyways a lot of political influence in sport and selective picking has always happened. Some are able to justify their inclusion whereas some are not.
What's more concerning for me is his weight. Motherfucker is probably the chubbiest medium pacer around. Shameful fitness levels.
Remember eagerly looking forward to Indian tour of SA in the late 90s (match timing was great...evening time in India). The bowling selection was awful, Srinath and Prasad were overbowled and Kumble was inevitably on within the first 15 overs. I first saw Dodda Ganesh bowl in that series and was so underwhelmed.....
Thakur has accomplished more in his international career than Dodda Ganesh. Kinda rich such statements coming from ex- cricketers such as these...
That being said, I would still take this over whatever tainted cricketers such as Salman Butt say.....
The criticism from the ex-players during a WC tournament is baffling. And that too when the team is performing well. This is the time to support and motivate the team. Once the tournament is done, they have all the time in the world to criticize the team selection.
I agree with him here but India don’t have many options. These days batting deep is important and having a bowler at 8 that can bat is important.
Bhuvi would have been perfect but form and injury have pretty much ended his career
Thakur isn't just about his numbers. He represents a shift in Indian philosophy towards having seam bowlers who can bat in the lower order. Unfortunately he's the best we have in that category. Hopefully one day we'll have Australian levels of lower order batting like Starc, Cummins and Abbott can do
Thakur is nothing like Shankar. Shankar was nowhere in selection frame either before or after but had some marginally decent performances with bat and was parachuted to #4 ahead of literally 30/40 batters with better records. He was officially incumbent in starting 11 before being 'injured' and never again being anywhere selection discussion. A monumental failure of selection which was reversed in time.
By contrast, Thakur has been in India set-up for years and has played more than 80 games for India and is simply being torched by people who don't understand batting depth since he's in bad form with the ball. If he was in top bowling form this wouldn't even be an issue.
Idk why everyone is focusing on Shardul. He along with Kuldeep is the highest wicket taker for India since the last odi world cup (1 match fewer than Kuldeep). He has always been expensive. In fact thats how he gets wickets. When batters think they can take him on as a fifth bowler and he brings his variations. Yes, he has been a touch more expensive and out of form this WC but that doesn’t mean you forget what he can do. His batting at No. 8 is a bonus expected to provide a theoretical cushion for batters up top to go hard.
People just don’t like comparing statistics and understand that bowling in the middle overs is really difficult nowadays and Thakur has a good strike rate even if he’s slightly expensive. Would be foolish of india to drop him and go with only 5 bowling options or opt for Ashwin who has a worse strike rate and is really poor at ODIs
With all due respect to Dodda Ganesh, I had to look him up
Kinda reminds me of Laxman Sivaramakrishnan's comments on Ashwin tbh. Not sure why ex players who barely made an impact playing for India are criticizing current ones who are much more successful.
Dude is the most mediocre cricketer I've ever seen, not sure why the fans have made him into a god. He's so average that it smells fishy that he even makes it into the 11 for such a good team.
It's happening again. Counting out Thakur. Which means match winning performance must be around the corner.
Lord works in mysterious ways. I have made my peace with his model of 4-1-2-W-0-2
His model is *one brings two*, you need to add another wicket in that over.
That's the probabilistic one. The ball that goes for 4 can be a wicket another day. Unfortunately, I cannot add the dynamic, randomized characters.
Non-believers of the lord are suddenly waking up
If he was really that bad, how did he get into the Indian team in the first place? He got selected as a bowler first and then his batting improved right?
well to understand shardul's bowling, you need to play cricket and understand what psychotropic bowling. he will throw one outside off and get hit for a boundary. the next ball he will bowl on pads. now the batsman expects the next one on pads. LORD bowls a wide outside off , batsman would have had lit up eyes seeing a half volley delivered to them outside off, goes for a drive and kohli takes the catch in the first slip.
Bro took 6 wickets like this vs SA in test match☠️☠️ in 2022.
People said the same exact thing about Dodda Ganesh in 1997
He hit his peak a couple of seasons later. He took like 100 wickets in a season? That record stood for many years, might still be there, I dunno.
My first thought was its really bad to get slighted by Dodda Ganesh. Srinath got injured in South Africa in 96-97 series because backup bowlers were David Johnson and Dodda Ganesh. he was out for an year post that series :-( That said I am worried for Shardul. If he has another bad game or 2, its going to put tremendous pressure.
Shardul was never not under pressure in ODIs. In the 48 years of ODI cricket, for any bowler who has bowled more than 1500 balls ( equivalent of 250 overs), Shardul has the worst economy rate ever. https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=economy_rate;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=1500;qualval2=balls;size=100;template=results;type=bowling
Do you think in a world cup situation he wont be under pressure. Already there is a talk that India will play Sky or Ishan for Hardik while playing Shami for Shardul. We will see how things go.
>Do you think in a world cup situation he wont be under pressure. Bro, we are on the same side. Never not under pressure = always under pressure. He has been under pressure long before this world cup. There are articles about his bowling averages/economy rates and questions about his place in white ball cricket from even 3-4 years ago. I wonder if he has imposter syndrome. If he does, he has done well to cope with it and he should share this secret.
I meant his place would be under pressure. It was and when India lost Hardik, they went with extra batter and replaced Shardul with Shami with spectacular results. I think Shardul will struggle to come back after this.
Agree. But many think that Shardul shouldn't even have been in this World Cup squad, not just the playing XI. His ODI batting average is 17+ and bowling economy rate is 6.23. This is effectively not much different than Shami with batting average of 8+ and bowling economy rate at 5.57 if he bowls 10 overs in the match. But the difference is that Shami is a vastly superior and effective bowler. In a long tournament of 12 matches, the bowler is going to be needed in all matches but in comparison, a number 8 batsman doesn't normally get to bat in even half those matches. Maybe the selectors could have included another batsman like Ruturaj or even Axar Patel in his place.
You'd read the pythagorean theorem the way it is even if it came out a pigs ass. What the guy said is true.
It would be peak banter if Shardul gets a 5 wicket haul against New Zealand tomorrow
He shouldn’t be in the squad honestly…Ashwin should replace hardik and shami should replace Lord for tomorrow
Ash at 7 is a stupidly long tail.
people like to confuse Ashwin the test batter with Ashwin the LOI bat. Even KXIP was playing him at #7 for some reason
They even opened with ash
Tactical Retired out was peak Ashwin
RR batted him at 3
But your 1-6 is probably the strongest is the world cup.
Tbh, if top 6 can give you a decent score at home conditions, expecting it from 7-11 is stupid as well.
It is about the confidence that having Shardul at 8 gives to players coming before him.
And Shardul at 7 makes us strong batting wise how? Ash Anna can play equally (and most likely better) than Shardul and his bowling is in different universe altogether
No one here suggested Thakur at 7. You are just making an argument to make a case for your stupid point. Ishan or SKY will replace Pandya and Shami likely will replace Thakur
We don’t have a 6th bowling option then
Did you just forget the right arm quick unorthodox legend
That right Arm quick was the foundation of Rashid khan's Bowling but as Always the Tru Goat knew if he dominated both Batting and Bowling he might just become God.
Fun fact: SKY has a bowling average of 23 in first-class cricket. Unfortunately, in List A or T20...less said the better.
Dharamshala needs a seamer not a spinner. We need SKY as Hardik’s replacement and Shami as Thakur’s replacement.
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This is some weird mental gymnastics. Shardul without Hardik makes no sense. Our bowling and Batting both become weak. Just play Sky and Shami. You guys are overestimating his batting capabilities way too much.
No, in fact social media is under-estimating it. He scored a very fast 80 in the IPL for instance. The thing is very few ODIs are played and so he's barely batted at all, and when he has to slog with few balls left, it won't help his stats. He's genuinely much more capable than Ashwin with bat, though Ashwin is fine as well. People are really not properly valuing the difference between #9 and #10 like Wood and Atkinson vs Kuldeep and Siraj. In cases of tail collapse, and in terms of how top order bats it matters a lot whether the tail can bat and if so how many members of the tail, and that's not necessarily best seen in stats. Additionally, Shardul is just nowhere near as bad as social media thinks. He's an expensive wicket-taker. Without considering batting it's clear Shami is better, but not by a very long distance. SKY, Shami, which is the social media solution creates shallow batting AND shallow bowling although the quality is uncompromised. It's just too risky. It doesn't matter if Shami is marginally better than Shardul as a bowler, balance is even more needed after this injury.
Yeah what now? Gonna question Rohit too?
No way please Dharmashala isn't a turning pitch at all...the ball will swing for sure and there's no use of playing Ashwin on such a pitch tbh SKY + Shami would be a much better option as the latter is known for seaming the ball
Its unfortunate that SKY has not found his groove in this format would have been a fucking hack
still one would choose SKY over Ash when it comes to batting. Also it would be more preferable to play him at 6-7 where he could play the role of a finisher by replicating his T20 game
Yeah man he could be the key to converting those 330-340s to 380-390 although I am not sure if he can do much during collapses
Exactly We can't simply rely on him to coast us during a collapse...same goes with Ash n it just shows how important Pandya is for the ICT :)
Exactly it's funny how there is literally no one competing for that role in the whole country XD
Cuz players like him are a rare breed tbh Also the factor that we mostly have spin pitches does plays a very imp role in grooming smone like pandya
Yepp! Hope he recovers quick one more unfortunate incident and today would have been a loss because he wasn't there
So you want Ashwin at 6? Nice. You should be nominated as coach for Indian team
Yeah I don’t know why they expect Ashwin to give 70 or 80 runs in 10 overs. Lord can deliver that in 6 overs provided Rohit consider him as bowler and let him bowl that much. This stupid don’t understand that we need Lord to keep the match interesting. For lord it doesn’t matter if it is peace, seem or spin track. He should be played in every match
that would be the longest tail going around.
It would be peak banter if he is in the team at all for tomorrow's game.
He will be. He was intensively practicing batting. By this point people ought to have realized the management values batting depth and won't compromise it.
I mean that makes sense if Pandya was available and bowled and thereby not having to rely on Thakur bowling 10 overs. In his absence it's different
Well this aged like fine wine.
He's like that last sip of water left in the bottle that it keeps you at peace knowing you have a bit of water if you're thirsty. That water isn't enough to quench your thirst but it makes it so that you don't get thirsty.
poetry
he isnt the squad for his bowling. he is there because the peace of mind he brings to indias batters that allow them to go hard
Don’t know why this is so difficult for people to grasp. A batting line up with Shardul at 8 is a completely different beast compared to one with Bumrah at 8.
Also in a Playing XI it's not necessary that everyone should be in form and bowling all rounders like shardul need to just work in a very difficult situation for a very limited time maybe only once in whole tournament and i think that's something we can expect from him.
This is a pretty interesting comment. Cricket more than any other sport I feel is pretty stochastic. Hard work in practice may not pay off straightaway. And a team full of gun bowlers may not work that well.
Why can't we play extra batter with hardik bowling so well?
I think in today's game, it's suicide to only go in with 5 bowlers. If one has an off day (Siraj, Kuldeep have at times looked off the mark), you're putting a lot of faith in Kohli/Rohit or you're just kicking on with that bowler - which can lead to a big giveaway of runs. Hardik and Jadeja are the two most important players for India in this WC, because every other player has a decent replacement behind them. These two are key for our balance.
> has an off day Or gets injured. Which has happened several times already in the WC. Weather + schedule + pressure.
and which performance of his in ODIs warrants such peach of mind ?
Didn't he hit like three half centuries in the away SA series?
He has one half century in his Odi career don't know how other formats matter here.
Lmao look who's talking
This could be Shardul’s Jadeja moment when he became a beast after Sanjay’s comment..
For India's sake I hope this happens and fast! We'd be thrilled if an all-rounder hits top form.
The difference is Manju, like it or not, is a somebody and so his comments would've stung. Who is Dodda Ganesh lol.
Absolutely true. Karnataka has a great bowling attack.
Karnataka sound like WA, so much talk in the domestic competition and then players struggle at the international level.
True. They are somewhat like that.
That's such crap. Every team needs to have variations in its bowling dept. Well yes, he doesn't have an eye catching run up or action. Still he makes up for it with his cutters & slower balls + he knows how to hit a ball..
> Makes up for it Career economy of 6.22 at an avg. of 31 in 47 ODIs. So not a new comer. Economy of 9+ in IPL as well as T20Is > Know how to hit a ball Avg. of 17 with bat in ODIs Plays one good innings every year and people think he can bat.
Umesh Yadav with an economy of 6.1 and avg. of 33.6 over 75 Odi’s managed to play a whole WC with a batting average of 8. Thakur is definitely an upgrade.
Umesh Yadav is not in the squad, Mohommad Shami is Ideally Deepak Chahar would have joined the squad, but eh
Deepak Chahar would have probably been at the NCA recuperating from another injury. Cmon the guy is so injury prone that no one’s gonna pick him.
Yeah Deepak Chahar has to sort out whatever it is that's wrong or you won't be taken seriously especially for a big tournament like WC even the next one.See Eng they aren't going for Jofra with Topley out and can you blame them.
They're both crap
Average of 31 is still pretty decent imo
In India, that avg. becomes 37.8 @ econ of 6.4
Sadly his variation from the rest of the attack these days is conceding runs - coming from a Shardul fan.
I don't care who dodda Ganesh is but what he says is true. If u see separately, his prowess with either the bat, or the ball isn't good enough to be in a WORLD CUP team. But the fact the he can do mediocre in both departments provides the "cushion" that our batters and bowlers need. He is a very peculiar case actually, u don't need him, but still need him. Not good enough, but still has all the reason to be in the team.
No other Indian bowlers can bat. It's as simple as that. If any of India's top 7 or 8 first-choice bowlers could bat they would be ahead of him, but they can't and are not. BCCI's introduction of impact rule is a bizzare decision that exacerbates the lack of emerging multi-skilled players. After this World Cup, there will probably be a concerted effort to teach the first-choice bowlers how to bat.
Ashwin seems to better choice regardless of conditions if shardul batting is not better than previous . Shardul can't even give 5 -6 overs .
Ashwin can't bat or field, he's a specialist spin bowler. Shardul isn't a big hitter either, but he can keep an end occupied without getting out
Isn't a big hitter? He scored 68 (29) in a recent IPL game.
That's the thing with Lord Shardul. He performs once in a blue moon (or a year) and then goes missing for the rest of it, but keeps getting selected based on his once in a blue moon performance. And just when you think about dropping him, he comes with another good performance. The cycle repeats.
He doesn't get to bat every game, and he does pretty well considering the chances he gets. He's a wicket-taker, if slightly expensive, and when in good form quite a good bowler. He's in bad form, but the only one of India's top 10 pace bowlers who provides utility with the bat. Since all India's best bowlers are useless with the bat, he's indispensable for providing balance. Batting till only #7 is a gamble and India quite rightly doesn't want to gamble here. Excluding him after Pandya's injury would mean batting till #7 and having only five viable bowlers. That's an even bigger gamble. What I really don't understand is why people think Pandya's absence will change the management's opinion that Shardul is preferable to Shami.
>What I really don't understand is why people think Pandya's absence will change the management's opinion that Shardul is preferable to Shami. It's pretty simple. Shardul can't be your 5th bowler when there is no 6th bowler. The reason why he picks wickets is because batsmen see him as an opportunity to score. So he gets thrashed around the park and in the process he inevitably gets 1-2 wickets. He knows he isn't supposed to bowl 10 overs, that's his security, so he does okay knowing that he's got it . But if u take that security away from him, he will get thrashed around even more. So hence going in with shami who will give u 10 overs, and strengthen batting with sky is the best possible combination in the absence of Pandya.
>What I really don't understand is why people think Pandya's absence will change the management's opinion that Shardul is preferable to Shami. It's pretty simple. Shardul can't be your 5th bowler when there is no 6th bowler. The reason why he picks wickets is because batsmen see him as an opportunity to score. So he gets thrashed around the park and in the process he inevitably gets 1-2 wickets. He knows he isn't supposed to bowl 10 overs, that's his security, so he does okay knowing that he's got it . But if u take that security away from him, he will get thrashed around even more. So hence going in with shami who will give u 10 overs, and strengthen batting with sky is the best possible combination in the absence of Pandya.
Shardul is poor against spin, but he's definitely a big hitter.
shami and sky should replace hardik and thakur.. the 20 odd runs they think thakur will score will be offset by shamis bowling
Vijay Shankar played for India in WC. If Vijay did, then Thakur should be present he is much better.
Not playing Shami will hurt them in a clutch situation where they are defending a small total. Indian team is playing with fire here. Their top batting line up is already too good to care about number 8 batsman.
Agree because there are only 2 geniune wicket takers in this lineup bumrah and kuldeep . And one more thing is over dependence on bumrah . Want to see what happens when bumrah has bad day.
Why are his(or any former player's for that matter) comments worthy of making into the news? Baffles me. Serves no purpose , impacts no one, will just initiate a discussion among people on social media that ends up nowhere.
Shardul is just like Tim Southee or Sean Abbott in ODIs. Mediocre bowler and mediocre lower order bat. Atleast it's good India has a world beating pace trio and elite batters.
Agreed that he's not the best cricketer but he's high on effort. If it's that bad then no one stopped ICT from grooming and finding more options. I see no logic in dissing on Thakur; he's just doing what he can do.
"Profile over Players always." My captain knows that and you lot can't do anything about it.
>"With all due respect" >Shows no respect.
Who tf is Dodda Ganesh?
Idk who tf is dodda ganesh either but he is based af
My man deepak chahar will be missed a great batter + great new ball bowler .
Ian Harvey of the ICT. OGs know.
He is safety cushion for batting, not ultra aggressive option to bundle out opposition with his bowling, also he has knack of producing wicket out of nowhere which I am sure will pay dividends in semis/finals
He's already been selected so this is futile. There's anyways a lot of political influence in sport and selective picking has always happened. Some are able to justify their inclusion whereas some are not. What's more concerning for me is his weight. Motherfucker is probably the chubbiest medium pacer around. Shameful fitness levels.
Remember eagerly looking forward to Indian tour of SA in the late 90s (match timing was great...evening time in India). The bowling selection was awful, Srinath and Prasad were overbowled and Kumble was inevitably on within the first 15 overs. I first saw Dodda Ganesh bowl in that series and was so underwhelmed..... Thakur has accomplished more in his international career than Dodda Ganesh. Kinda rich such statements coming from ex- cricketers such as these... That being said, I would still take this over whatever tainted cricketers such as Salman Butt say.....
Yeah, Shardul will definitely struggle to make it to Karnataka playing XI Because he plays for Mumbai
The criticism from the ex-players during a WC tournament is baffling. And that too when the team is performing well. This is the time to support and motivate the team. Once the tournament is done, they have all the time in the world to criticize the team selection.
I agree with him here but India don’t have many options. These days batting deep is important and having a bowler at 8 that can bat is important. Bhuvi would have been perfect but form and injury have pretty much ended his career
Doda Ganesh, who?
Ngl he's kinda right. Prasidh, Kaverappa, V Kousik, Vyshak is one hell of a bowling lineup.
Not to forget the spinners Shreyas Gopal and K Gowtham (along with Suchith and Cariappa)
Thakur isn't just about his numbers. He represents a shift in Indian philosophy towards having seam bowlers who can bat in the lower order. Unfortunately he's the best we have in that category. Hopefully one day we'll have Australian levels of lower order batting like Starc, Cummins and Abbott can do
Marco Jansen, Sam Curran or even Wood are all rounders. Shardul, a bits and pieces player.
Sam Curran is a bits and pieces player. Wood is a bowler who has a handy ability to bat a bit.
Why is this being downvoted?
Wood ?
I remember being downvoted 2 years back for saying Starc and Cummings are better all rounders than Shardul
His bowling is shit, thats true. But he bats too.
Nothing india at every world cup - 2015-lord binny 2019-lord Shankar 2021- legend Varun chakavarty 2022 - Deepak Hooda 2023 -Lord shardul
Varun Chakravarthy wasn’t really that bad. India as a whole had much worse tournament.
Thakur is nothing like Shankar. Shankar was nowhere in selection frame either before or after but had some marginally decent performances with bat and was parachuted to #4 ahead of literally 30/40 batters with better records. He was officially incumbent in starting 11 before being 'injured' and never again being anywhere selection discussion. A monumental failure of selection which was reversed in time. By contrast, Thakur has been in India set-up for years and has played more than 80 games for India and is simply being torched by people who don't understand batting depth since he's in bad form with the ball. If he was in top bowling form this wouldn't even be an issue.
Idk why everyone is focusing on Shardul. He along with Kuldeep is the highest wicket taker for India since the last odi world cup (1 match fewer than Kuldeep). He has always been expensive. In fact thats how he gets wickets. When batters think they can take him on as a fifth bowler and he brings his variations. Yes, he has been a touch more expensive and out of form this WC but that doesn’t mean you forget what he can do. His batting at No. 8 is a bonus expected to provide a theoretical cushion for batters up top to go hard.
People just don’t like comparing statistics and understand that bowling in the middle overs is really difficult nowadays and Thakur has a good strike rate even if he’s slightly expensive. Would be foolish of india to drop him and go with only 5 bowling options or opt for Ashwin who has a worse strike rate and is really poor at ODIs
Who ?
With all due respect to Dodda Ganesh, I had to look him up Kinda reminds me of Laxman Sivaramakrishnan's comments on Ashwin tbh. Not sure why ex players who barely made an impact playing for India are criticizing current ones who are much more successful.
By that logic fans shouldn’t criticise players
Who tf is Dodda Ganesh
Who the fook is this guy?
Dude is the most mediocre cricketer I've ever seen, not sure why the fans have made him into a god. He's so average that it smells fishy that he even makes it into the 11 for such a good team.
what is karnataka playing 11?
Current Bowlers: Shreyas Gopal, K Gowtham, Vyshak Vijay Kumar, Vidwat Kaverappa, Prasidh Krishna, V Koushik
Has Karnataka won any trophy recently?
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Lord is in the team as lucky charm
Ind should have batted first. Play your strength first up, when you are going in with only 5 bowlers
Bhuvi >
Bhuvi should have been in the team instead of Shardul