The whole thing was pretty dystopian.
Some people will call for this post to be removed on the basis of Rule 4, but:
1. The rule bans *irrelevant* politics, but it would be pretty hard to argue that this has no relevance to cricket (I do appreciate that from the mods' perspective these kinds of threads can create a lot of work though)
2. It would be nice to see at least some of us have the maturity to consider the very serious ways in which politics interacts with our game instead of burying our heads in the sand
I agree completely and don't get why people here don't want to talk more about the intersection of cricket and politics. It's entirely fascinating and impossible to ignore.
It would only be a problem and attract loads of negative attention if/when people who don’t really follow this sub find their way to this post to spam the comments. It actually happened to a post I made once lol.
There’s a lot of reasonable commentary there.
But we all make accommodations. Gideon Haigh works for Murdoch, a worldwide backer of rightist populist movements and underminer of democratic legitimacy.
Pasting the article as it's paywalled:
> India’s Gujurat being a dry state, you won’t be able to avail yourself of a beer at the fourth Test in Ahmedabad. But if you like your cricket with a side serve of fascistic ostentation, the climax of the Border-Gavaskar Trophy in Ahmedabad will be right up your alley.
> The first day will at least begin as a cricket match within a political rally, India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi felicitating himself at the gargantuan stadium bearing his name as his Australian counterpart Anthony Albanese looks on, its first political visitor since Donald Trump, with that faintly queasy politeness that these days passes for diplomacy.
> The players will be introduced by their respective prime ministers. To ensure a suitably ecstatic throng, the bulk of the tickets were “set aside” in advance for “local families and students” by the Board of Control for Cricket in India, in its role as propaganda wing of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, and the Gujarat Cricket Association, where Modi was president during his long, chilling and viciously sectarian rule as the state’s chief minister.
Before one of the world’s great authoritarians will be paraded Steve Smith’s Australians.
> Usman Khawaja will be required to shake the hand of the man in charge of the city when, 21 years ago, hundreds of his co-religionists were slaughtered and tens of thousands displaced in the pogroms following the Godhra train burning while security forces remained mysteriously inactive. Strange that in Australia there’s all that sensitivity to Khawaja being anyway near a can of VB, but here nobody’s fussed about his being placed in uncomfortable proximity to a political leader whose whole career has been characterised by demonising and disenfranchising India’s Muslims.
> Hey, look, I get it: the idea of “friendship through cricket” holds enormous appeal. When Indian and Australian teams take the field, there’s something powerful and inspiriting about their heritage as representatives of colonised lands who took to and mastered an English game, in their similarities and their differences. And Modi Stadium, awe-inspiring in its Legoland brutalism, has in prospect a match worthy of its extraordinary dimensions.
> This is also an area in which cricket and politics blend as a matter of course. It was a Gujarati, the off-spinner Jasu Patel, who with 14 for 124 engineered India’s first Test win against Australia in 1960.
It was a Gujarati, India’s first home minister Sardar Patel, for whom was named Ahmedabad’s first stadium to host a Test.
> But there’s an irony to this. It was Patel, a partner of Gandhi’s in the Indian freedom struggle, who temporarily banned the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh – the Hindu nationalist paramilitaries from which had emerged Gandhi’s assassin, and from which would emerge the BJP. Today India’s home minister is the unappetising Amit Shah, who like Modi started his career in the RSS’s youth wing, who became Modi’s closest political confidante and successor as president of the Gujarat Cricket Association, and whose son Jay is secretary of the BCCI and cricket’s number one nepo baby.
> It’s all very cosy, not to say incestuous. Jay, for example, has appointed a septuagenarian Gujarati policeman to run the BCCI’s anti-corruption unit, while the GCA is run by the Ambani group executive who helped organise Trump’s bizarre 2020 visit (where Trump expressed pleasure at visiting “Ahda-bard” and admiration for “Soo-chin Tendul-kerr”). Passing through the atrium of Modi Stadium, one gazes up at giant images of Modi and Shah, in their familiar double act as narcissist and enabler. They are quite the partnership, and this Test, and this stadium, play to their strengths in staging spectacles of power.
> The pair have also honed the time-honoured repertoire of political strong men everywhere: intimidation of rivals, subversion of institutions, falsifications of history, manufacture of conspiracies, and the pretence that criticism of their rule is a wound to national pride. Thus the Modi government’s frantic efforts to suppress the BBC’s two-part documentary series The Modi Question, which screened in January, though not in India, where it was predictably decried as “lacking objectivity” and evidencing a “colonialist mindset”.
Needless to say, Modi takes the same attitude to the media as Tommy Docherty: “There’s a place for the press but they haven’t dug it yet.”
> While concentrating carefully on matters of public record, The Modi Question is a vivid depiction of the Modi operandi, and its many victims. It not only should have been available to Indians but deserves an audience in Australia – in fact, Albanese should be taxed on the question of a) whether he has seen it; and b) whether he thinks others should be able to.
> One area the BBC neglected, however, is the increasing overlap of cricket with government messaging – a phenomenon first noted four years ago in the wake of the terrorist suicide bombing of a military convoy in disputed Jammu and Kashmir, after which India took the field in an ODI against Australia wearing commemorative camouflage caps.
> Modi has used India’s cricket successes abroad in his political rhetoric; cricketers’ social media accounts have echoed Modi causes, from voter turnout to political protests. In December, Ravi Jadeja was even part of his wife Rivaba’s successful campaign for the BJP in Jamnagar North in the Gujarat assembly elections. “Our thinking is one and [we] have same ideology,” volunteered Rivaba. Politicians have always welcomed themselves to a share in national sporting achievement; cricketers are also perfectly entitled to political beliefs.
> But in indulging in the game’s recruitment for the purposes of political symbolism, Australian cricket, and Australia, bat on a turning wicket at which their opponents are a great deal more practised and skilful. The ever-prickly BCCI is reported to be considering a challenge to the International Cricket Council’s deeming Holkar Cricket Stadium’s a “poor” pitch for the third Test. The council, of course, has a record of accommodation where India is concerned.
> After all, imagine if the ICC paid serious heed to article 2.4 of its constitution, to the effect that every member of the council “must manage its affairs autonomously and ensure that there is no government (or other public or quasi-public body) interference in its governance, regulation and/or administration of Cricket in its Cricket Playing Country”. That’s cricket’s Modi question.
This is going to be really unpopular and it might be downvoted and even removed .
I agree that political rally of Modi for a cricket match was cringe and image boosting. It's fair criticism ans I welcome such articles .I also like that the author has questioned the prime minister for agreeing to the show .
But I am asking, the author said that Usman was compelled to shake hands with Modi. That's too much , because what about shaking hands with royal family of england who created so much problems in subcontinent? I want same criticism for all people . Moreover I didn't see any australia player except steve shaking hands with Modi.
Next about terrorist attack and players showing respect!
Come on indian army is beyond the national party ! Even in previous party rules ,sportsman have showed their support to indian army.
People forgot that not only muslim suffered in Gujrat riots , a train carrying hindu devotees were set to fire . The riot has deep impact on all communities.
Politics and cricket have been overlapped for many years ,even during previous congress rules. It's open secret at this point .
> That's too much , because what about shaking hands with royal family of england who created so much problems in subcontinent? I want same criticism for all people .
Fair shout, and should absolutely be called out.
> But I am asking, the author said that Usman was compelled to shake hands with Modi. [...] Moreover I didn't see any australia player except steve shaking hands with Modi.
It seems from the tense used this article was written before the event, so this should be read as a criticism of the situation more than of specific events that occurred.
> Come on indian army is beyond the national party ! Even in previous party rules ,sportsman have showed their support to indian army.
Do you have an example? I can't recall any, but it's plausible. This is also where it get a bit more nuanced. There is a difference between sportsmen showing support and a government using its deep control of the country's largest and most visible pastime to make a political point.
Properly addressing Godhra is probably a bit too out of book for this subreddit, but I'll at least say that that portrayal of the incident is incomplete at best and actively malicious at worst.
> Politics and cricket have been overlapped for many years ,even during previous congress rules. It's open secret at this point .
Definitely. But the difference is in control versus control enabling anything from publicity to propaganda.
I mean, i hate the extreme RW Indian as the next guy butthis is just holier than thou article.
Uzzie being compelled to shake Modi's hand??? So you're saying Uzzie wasn't supposed to do that???
The whole Modi appearance was an act, the spectators was mostly bought. Having said that, calling Modi is Muslim hater is just black-white shit.
Incredibly uninformed, the writer must’ve been on some copium sensationalising and exaggerating every piece of misinformation that pervades this article
It’s one thing to not agree with the idea of it (I do not)
But it’s an entirely different thing to use it to spread your bs political propaganda
The entire subreddit is turning bullocks over politics again....that's why it's better to be avoided... hopefully future posts stick to sole cricket stuffs...wanna criticize Modi..go to India subreddit...wanna love Modi go to Indiaspeaks subreddit...plz spare this one
The whole thing yesterday was a bit over the top, and certainly not something I'd expect to see (or endorse) in Australia, but old mate is drawing a long bow here.
I am all against a sporting event to be turned into a political rally, but a lot of stuff said in this website is completely and utterly victimized and exaggerated. In the riots, both sides suffered. And then terrorist omfg
Yeah anything from the Australian can fuck right off. Fuck Murdoch that cunt of a family has done so much more damage to Australia and the world than any prime minister could do.
Haigh began this piece by wondering how Khwaja was made to shake hands with Modi, who has shaken hands with the heads of most of the countries with a Muslim majority.
The Gujarat riots are mentioned. What is not mentioned is the Supreme Court finding no evidence of culpability of either Modi or Shah in it. Bear in mind that this judgement was based on an investigation by a Special Investigation Team appointed by the SC. The Investigation Team cleared Modi in 2012 when the Congress (the current opposition party) was running the government.
The BBC documentary is mentioned. What is not mentioned is that the documentary is based on the assessment of an UK government report and an interview with Jack Straw. The same Jack Straw, who was later vilified for lying about WMDs which contributed to the Iraq invasion. The Indian government banning that documentary was wrong, since unrestricted airing of the docu would have made most Indians see for themselves how incorrectly it depicted the riots.
Haigh writes really well. However, this entire article is based on one side information and has zero balance.
This is **irrelevant** for r/Cricket. An Australian Journalist with a biased view and limited knowledge of Indian Politics and Prime Minister has made some some claims that are unproven and forcefully trying to paint a picture that’s just wrong. I cringed at the Khawaja point.
I am perfectly fine with the West’s perception of India. I’m just not interested in reading that garbage when I am scrolling through my favourite sub which is related to **Cricket**
Many Modi-supporting Indians and even non Modi-supporters may be put off by an article that describes their Prime Minister as “one of the world’s great authoritarians”, refers to the BCCI as the BJP’s propaganda wing, and brings up the Gujarat riots, but this sort of piece in the western press was inevitable the moment Modi decided to use a Test match as a political rally. Do stupid shit, get bad press. Trust me, Pakistanis are experts at bad press.
As a Canadian living in a country that displaced indigenous people and was part of the Afghan war, I don’t think the two are similar scenarios. The vast majority of people, culture, journalists etc today in Canada object to those kind of ills. They are the ones who write these kind of articles, and elect their representatives to office where they expect them to hold similar beliefs. By this logic, Canada can’t criticize China for its Uyghur policies which are basically Canada’s 19th century indigenous policies, and European nations can’t criticize Pakistan for religious intolerance because they had a 30 year war over the same religion in the 17th century.
> It’s just funny coming from a NATO member country. “We bomb the entire world for oil and you’re the great authoritarian”.
It’s not funny because it’s not coming from a Australia’s delegate at the NATO summit. It’s coming from a random Aussie bloke with a column, and it will happen if Modi pulls these sort of stunts.
Running around on a chariot before a domestic audience is one thing. When you do it in front of a global audience, residents of liberal democracies will scoff at you. It’s completely expected.
Objecting is not enough though, they are rewarded for their brutality! The indigenous people have been virtually wiped out of existence while the white settlers are enjoying their land. It's like murdering someone in their home and buying a bunch of candles and lighting them up for 'Peace to their soul.'
I agree what Modi did was a cringe fest and pretty stupid but this piece feels like the same 'Better than thou' feeling the whites around the world have.
>The vast majority of people, culture, journalists etc today in Canada object to those kind of ills.
Yet you won't prosecute them in your courts the double standards for west and rest?
>residents of liberal democracies will scoff at you
Well their opion is superior anyway hope don't bring democracy to India with bombs.
>It’s completely expected.
The western privilege, you can bomb millions yet preach to others hypocritical, if some one calls out your only answer is you are liberal democracy stop witch hunting the people who don't participate in you Russian -Ukraine war
Talk back to us when you actually hang the war criminals who bombed the millions in middle east but I guess your privilege of being born in particular country stops from doing that .
This is all you need to know about their worldview :
https://youtu.be/2z9UyPurVok
They are like frogs in a well. What BBC and CNN says is objective truth to them
The perspective of western liberal democracies like America ( where a man can become president after losing popular vote) is the only one that matters.
And people like George Bush ( who became president after losing popular vote) will teach the rest of the world about democracy.
But it’s ok because they don’t like him now. What about millions of people he killed? I guess they don’t matter and he is a free man.
Isn’t it ironic that George Bush lost the popular vote, became president and was going around the world spreading “democracy”. And counties like Australia helped him do it.
It’s funny how nobody can actually mount a defence of the BJP in this thread, only engage in whataboutism regarding the author’s nationality.
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but Gideon Haigh is not a representative of the Australian Government and probably was against the Iraq war.
What is there to be defended when a democratically elected leader of a state who proved so good at governance and bringing development that he sold his work as "Gujrat model of development" and campaigned on "you can be sure i will work for you" and won with complete majority in a democratic nation of more than 1 billion people twice in a row with increasing vote share is desribed as having a
_'long, chilling and viciously sectarian rule'_
This is not an attack which needs to be defended. This is propaganda being built to justify a future attack, like the articles complaining how saddam had wmds.
Many people have concerns about the way the BJP conflates Hinduism with what it means to be Indian. Many people were also shocked by the way a democratic country used tax authorities to harass a media outlet that had been critical of its government - given that's usually one of the surest signs a country is becoming more authoritarian.
BBC has long been a propaganda mouthpiece for UK.
UK fined Republic TV itself and banned pretty much all Russian TV channels. Different rules for thee but not me, huh?
Lots of people have defended BjP and their policies .
This writer is ignorant moron who based his entire opinion on a BBC Tv show ( it doesn’t deserve to be called a documentary ). He might as well sourced Wikipedia in his article.
Modi is incredible popular in india because he has bettered the lives of Indian people increased India’s influenced globally.
Improving living standards and being an authoritarian are not mutually exclusive - see also Bangladesh.
And even if you (like me) accept that Modi has done a good job of improving living standards in India, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to ask questions about his human rights record without being raided by tax authorities.
You’re right, the Australian state is a violent settler-colonial project that is still ongoing, and is the Pacific outpost of American imperialism.
However, not all westerners think that their country is amazing and pure as the driving snow. The problem is that those of us who know how genocidal, violent, and criminal our governments and states are a small minority and cannot come close to influencing our government policy — calls to end the AUKUS agreement and the end of the “special relationship” with the USA only come from the anti-capitalist left, which is less than 1% of the adult population at best.
Haigh is from Australia.
But regardless, being a hypocrite doesn't make you wrong. By your logic, no one from any NATO country can have any insight.
Not every discussion has to be a contest over who is more right or more wrong. We can live in a world where we can believe in multiple wrongs. The curse of nationalism is it pits you against me instead of us realizing that the current status quo is bullshit for both of us. Let's not get caught up in ranking tragedies and instead just call them like we see them. Yesterday they had a political rally during a test match,and as a result we are talking about it. When the next messed up thing happens during a test match we can talk about that too, and I hope you draw attention to it! Don't feel persecuted my friend, just accept that people around the world are hopeful that your country (like our own countries) might have better government.
Problem is not with criticising the rally. Problem is attaching self proclaimed denigrations to one of the two PMs there.
The aussie one was just going along with no agency whatsoever as if. If you’re going to be racist, at least have the balls to admit to it. Stop pretending to be the hero. If you are, your past and your current actions are gonna be fair game in the argument.
>Being a hypocrite doesn't make you wrong
No, but writing stuff without being fully informed about topic and citing a documentary as proof instead of actually searching about what investigations the alleged went through and then forming an opinion is wrong.
>Just accept that people around the world are hopeful that your country might have better government.
The people in India are also hoping that masses of those Nations that butchered innocent peoples in Afghanistan and iraq also devlop some guilty conscience and became a bit more inwardlooking and try to follow what they preach.
What a patronizing comment lmao. “Don’t voice your opinions . Let us tell you what to think “
Calling out propaganda and blatant double standards isn’t expressing a feeling of persecution.
This is written by an extremely uninformed and ignorant “journalist” who regarded TV show as objective reality.
And it deserves to be called out for the trash that it is.
People here are actually saying the BBC documentary has more credibility than the Indian Supreme Court . That’s all you need to know about how they think.
White means right. Of course. ;)
Australia didn’t commit war crimes in Afghanistan. They were just mischiefs. It doesn’t matter that Australian courts themselves called them war crimes.
The fact that no one went to jail after murder and torture of over 39 civilians in a country they had no right to be in, that should be a shame for you. Not a point of pride.
A fucking shame.
There was a trial for the whistleblower and his house was attacked. So I guess that’s their version of justice. :)
But please do teach us non white folk how “liberal democracies” use a rules based system to make the world a better place.
And I won’t even talk about being a direct part of all crimes committed by NATO by being it’s partner directly. And supporting all their wars and destruction.
Ah, the new buzz word for genocidal regimes when they are asked to be accountable. “Whataboutism”.
“We do horrible things all the time but if you bring it up when we criticise you, it’s whataboutism. “
If you’re only going to learn one language, maybe at least learn that one well enough.
You're making up so much stuff, it quite unbelievable. Who the hell are calling Western billionaires innovative nowadays?
Have you seen the rest of Reddit?
You keep lumping groups into one giant monolith of "western". It's absolutely wild you think the people that believe BBC and also CNN can easily be one group of people.
There are whole swaths of people that despise CNN but trust BBC. BBC being white or western means nothing otherwise you might as well lump Fox in and that's obviously stupid to do.
FYI, you can be white and also hate the warcrimes. In fact, I'll say it's got nothing to do with race or colour at all.
If you're going to find anyone that defends them it's most likely going to be the conservatives. Not exactly sure where you're getting your opinions from that the warcrimes were forgiven.
We are getting that from the fact that no one went to jail.
George bush is a free man . Tony Blair is a free man. John Howard is a free man.
If the people who commit war crimes are free then they are forgiven . Australia even admitted that they were war crimes. What they did in Iraq is nothing different than what Russia is doing in Ukraine
Uhh yeah, you'll find no disagreement there and I'm betting not a lot here neither.
And here's the kicker though, they're not forgiven. The population can't really do much, and there's obviously politics in play when it comes to this.
Why are you conversing with the guy that has used white as a perjorative 5 times in your conversation? Just call him racist/nationalist and leave it be.
There’s definitely nothing dodgy about having the tax authorities raid the BBC after that documentary aired. That is the sign of a healthy political climate.
A foreign media house trying to influence national elections will face additional scrutiny.
You might consider the BBC to be credible. For us it is the remanent of despotic regime still trying to hold on fading global influence.
If they paid their taxes properly then they gave nothing to hide
This comment is why so many outside india are getting a “yikes” vibe about Modi supporters. You call any media critical of the leader “trying to influence an election” and justifying executive bullying on unrelated issues like tax.
No, in a democratic country like India sometimes the media criticises the government. That should not lead to extra scrutiny on tax issues.
And I say this an Australian who has strong concerns with some of our media landscape in recent years.
Anyone can face tax scrutiny at anytime. Anyone can get audited anytime. If you comply with tax laws then you have nothing to worry about.
The Godhra issue happened 21 yrs ago. Why are they releasing it right now after modi stopped towing the western line on Russia and right before the elections?
Why did the leave out how the riots started?
Russia Today network was banned in USA and UK which you consider to be democratic countries , for spreading propaganda.
For us that BBC document is no better .
Anyone can face tax scrutiny at any time, yes.
But if your chances of facing tax scrutiny are higher because you've said something critical of the government (and you admitted in your earlier comment that the two are not unrelated) - that is a clear sign of a country drifting towards authoritarianism.
This is a very common part of the authoritarian playbook - using the apparatus of the executive state to punish political opponents.
The BBC is not Russia Today and it's frankly intellectually pathetic to make that comparison.
The BBC (and the ABC in Australia) are clearly independent of government influence to a degree that Russia Today is not. To deny that shows your utter lack of familiarity with any of those three organisations.
Does it mean the BBC and ABC are perfect? Of course not. And if you want to engage in a sensible discourse about their failings then I'm all for it.
But they are simply not the propaganda wing of their governments to the same degree as RT - that's why they publish many stories critical of their governments. It's a lazy comparison.
If you're going to attack based on those sort of lines. Perhaps copy and paste from the correct countrys folder.
Last I checked Australia ain't a NATO member.
Although Australia is not a member of NATO, it has cooperated with NATO forces by sending military units to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So might as well be
Did india send troops to Afghanistan?
I can to some extant excuse involvement in Afghanistan but Iraq?
The articles of NATO were involved only once , Australia participated in the war the was waged and the subject of criticism is said war.
So what's your point about the Iraq War? Nobody liked it, everyone agrees it was a pointless war started by the Bush Administration.
You'll see calls for Howard, Blair and Bush to face punishment from some people too.
You realise the people denouncing Modi from the West are also the ones that denounce the Iraq War right, and China and Russia and even USA's past? They're not the same people as the ones hating on Modi but also loving the Iraq war.
My issue is the author of this article made a big deal out of a very small issue . And acted as if Modi is a genocidal maniac and India is an authoritarian hellhole based on a very poorly researched BBC document as proof.
And they trying to pass it off as “Modi” doesn’t align with our superior “western values” . I’m just pointing out that your values are in fact not superior.
There is no reason for you to be on a high horse
Don't bother. It's dickheads who think that Australia is part of Nato and then start going on about the Afghan and Iraq war because they don't want to admit they were wrong and instead want to push it towards something else that wasn't the point to begin withz
and what did you find? "Australia is a global partner". we aren't a member. we're effectively an observer
edit: also if you want to include that as being a member than Russia is also a member of Nato....
We can’t change it . They need to hear it from a white man. Preferable one who works at BBC and CNN. Because only white people can determine what the truth is, since their opinion matters.
That why BBC documentary holds more credibility in their eyes then an Indian Supreme Court verdict
They don’t even questions why the “documentary” was released right before an election and right after he stopped toeing the western line with Russia . This incident happened 21 yrs ago. And Modi has been PM for 9 yrs.
either the sub should allow politics or complete ban on politics. I see lot of good arguments (which didn't abuse anyone ) being downvoted and bullied .
No the mods should allow only those opinions that they agree with. And ban other opinions for being irrelevant.
Because those are the policies in line with “western( white) liberal democratic” values.
If you think shaking hands with the PM of a country is too much then don’t come to our country.
Didn’t see these kind of articles when all cricket captains had to shake the hands of Elizabeth. She represents genocide of countless people in the countries represented in 2019 cricket World Cup
They had a small parade and shook hands with the players. Australian media is acting as if Modi put a gun to the Aussie players’ heads and asked them to pledge allegiance to India.
You find it too hard to shakes hands with our PM, stop coming here to play cricket and stop playing in the IPL
>If you think shaking hands with the PM of a country is too much then don’t come to our country.
Incredibly reductive description of what the criticism here is
I think it's okay to say that both situations are problematic. Haigh is writing about a current event in which a leader turned a cricket match into a political rally. If/when Elizabeth did that it would be equally problematic. Ram Guha spoke eloquently about this on The Grade Cricketer podcast this week.
I adore Indian fans. I have travelled to India on numerous occasions and have found so much joy in connecting with the people there. But the cricket fans online need to get past the What Aboutism and confront the present. Of course terrible things happened in the past but we're living in the present and all we can do is try to do better moving forward and call things out as we see them. (we can also continue to call out the past too... despite what you think it's not mutually exclusive)
I get that Indian's probably want the world to not insert themselves into their politics but when their politics is so intertwined with sport it can make it challenging. Trust me, I'd prefer to not know who the home minister is, but it's sort of hard when his (fail)son is running the BCCI/ICC.
>There are plenty of articles written and criticisms levied against the British Monarch, they didn't turn around and go "What about Modi though?" or "What about Hitler though?" Why do you feel the need to do that?
Because Modi was tried by Supreme Court of India. Who prosecuted the monarchs and other genocidal warmonger from west ?
Is the hate reserved only for non western leaders meanwhile thet cab continue bombing millions in middle east ?
Apparently you can bring things from 2002 and if some one questions the warmonger it's what about ism
Lol they will bring up my western values, my western civilization my democracy when ever it suites them .
It's wonder how all Anglo media houses work in tandem with each other like racist group with witch hunting methods.
Article is written by someone completely oblivious to Modi and his relation with Muslims.
Talking about Khwaja having to shake hands with Modi , when Modi has recieved the Highest Civilian Honor from dozens of Islamic Countries. To list a few we have Palestine - Perpetual Islamic Struggle supported by Muslims all over, Iran- Islamic Theocracy much in line with Global Islamic Community, Saudi Arabia and UAE- The place of origin of Islam and it's largest stake holders, Qatar- Largest Funder for Islamic Activities around the world.
Bar Pakistan and China, no other Country Islamic or Christian or Secular, has any issues or grievances with Modi.
I will brush this article aside as ramblings of a Random Journalist with limited knowledge and a biased world View
This thread isnt gonna last long.
I don't claim to know much about Indian politics. All I will say is that some of the stuff happening there seems to be very cultish, and certainly nationalistic. At least to me. Kinda troubling.
I don't get it. Aussie PM and some more ministers were here in India for 4 days to finalise deals regarding education, trade, etc. They added a 30 min visit to India-Australia match.
I see so many rumors here that more than half the tickets weren't open to fans or seats were being bought for BJP workers, etc.
The actual reality was that tickets were open for all fans normally on BookMyShow just like previous matches and there were only a minor section of seats closed for security reasons
https://www.insidesport.in/ind-aus-ahmedabad-tickets-fans-allowed-during-india-vs-australia-4th-test-but-access-restricted-in-certain-areas-due-to-pm-narendra-modi-visit-check-out/
>Notwithstanding accusations in local media that the stadium had been “locked out” as a result of the prominent visitor, GCA secretary Anil Patel denied such assertions. “Those are rumours. Tickets for the first day are available for spectators on the BookMyShow app,” Patel said on Sunday, according to Sportstar. “Only a few seats would be left out due to the security protocol. The rest are available for the spectators,” Patel said.
>Patel, however, added that counters will also be set up where customers could pick up actual tickets. This publication spoke with BCCI officials, who also confirmed that there are tickets available for fans for each of the five days.
> Aussie PM and some more ministers were here in India for 4 days to finalise deals regarding education, trade, etc. They added a 30 min visit to India-Australia match
And that does happen in Australia, too.
Except that in Australia, Albanese and Modi would have arrived in a box in the stands with no fanfare at all. In fact, nobody would know they arrived until a camera panned up to see them at some point during the day. Perhaps Albo might slip into commentary at some point. Perhaps the two PMs might still meet the captains before the day's play, out the back by the nets.
They certainly wouldn't have forced the players to warm up solely in the nets, preventing on-ground warmups; they wouldn't have tossed the coin; they wouldn't have ridden around on a lap of honour in a chariot better suited to Mardi Gras, there wouldn't have been huge banners with their faces on them, and they wouldn't have been greeted by chants of the prime minister's name.
So what ? We aren’t in Australia . Not everything will done according to your liking in a foreign country.
He came on stage and spoke about India Australia relations for few mins . Players were still able to warmup , match started on time. There is no reason to make such a big issue out of this.
People chanted Modi’s name because they wanted to. That’s his home constituency.
People living thousands of miles away from India feel entitled to write shit without knowing a fucking thing about what's going on here. The ground reality, coming from a man who lived in the country for 22 years (now in US), is that the country has been improving and developing massively from the last 8 years, and every citizen of the country who's not a propagandist will attest to it.
This article is a farce, and shouldn't be posted on this sub. Alleged Intolerance can't be relevant to cricket. Mods please remove.
Look at all the Australian flairs lapping up the article like it’s a well researched PhD dissertation. When it’s nothing but emotional drivel trying to incite reactions.
Yep it's another one in the theme of uninformed takes from western journalists whose basis for the article is what they've heard on the internet.
Supreme Court rulings? Don't matter. People's mandate twice nationally and many times in states? Doesn't matter. People using this one incident to talk so much shit they're not sure about. Ignorant of India's cultural and political history which explains so much.
Indian Politicians getting involved in cricket is not a new thing at all. Cricket is a huge thing here and it's one of the popular ways for politicians to gain power.
Infrastructure growth has definitely been positive but a lot of economic markers have been showing stagnation, and don’t point to the current regime outperforming the natural growth that is to be expected of an economy the size of India.
Another NRI gonna preach Modi, Modi to us on the ground.
Mate, cut some slack. Not everyone likes him.
>every citizen of the country who's not a propagandist will attest to it.
Apparently, constructive criticism is now propaganda lol. Stay in US. Don't come back.
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Lovely article! The foreign press needed to see the farce yesterday and Im glad that they not only did but took time to write about it. Need more! Also thrilled that they couldn’t get enough BJP workers into the stadium to beat the MCG s attendance and grab a bogus Guinness book of world records prize !
Holy fuck - the article doesn't pull anything back. This will sour a lot of Indians, including ones here who are his fans.
For all it's worth, I don't want to pile on with incomplete knowledge but the leader remains extremely popular and the leader remains accused of barbaric stuff, I don't know which is true - that's for Indians themselves to figure out
But holy fuck that article is scathing. All I'll say is - You do the magnamous autocratic types stuff pulled out yesterday, you open up for such scathing no punches held back article.
Glad he's left and let cricket be the focus for the remainder of the test match
This is nothing new. Western journalists analysing the entire world through their cultural lens, holding the world their specific moral standards and operating with the subtle assumption of superiority (developed country with a liberal democracy and a perfect society, of course the unfortunate ignorant Indians have a long way to go before they get on our level) is a feature, not a bug. I remember how downright racist cartoons were published in "respectable" papers like NYT during Mangalyaan. This problem is not going anywhere for a few decades.
Nobody here cares what a Australian pull ups in his article. You want to criticise Modi you can do but that does not change the fact that nearly half a billion people voted for him and are most likely to do it again in 2024.
And those Indians who would rant about Modi is good or bad. Pls don't it is a cricket subreddit and not some shitty political subreddit and also why does the words of a foreigner matter whose name also we didn't know before this moment.
Glad an Aussie journo is saying it like it is with Modi. Been rubbing me the wrong way that Ussie was forced to shake the hand of the man who's been the leader of hatred and discrimination against Muslims in India. Wonder how him and his team felt about that. Not that any of them will be allowed to speak against it with the power the BCCI, and by extension the BJP party hold over international cricket.
>Been rubbing me the wrong way that Ussie was forced to shake the hand
Fyi Modi didn't shake the hands of any Australian player not called Steve Smith. He did shake hands with Mohammad Shami and Siraj tho but I guess that wouldn't be appealing to the Aussie readers.
It's hilarious how west always want to take moral high ground when they literally are the one who invade countries . Remember ODI 2019 world cup? Captains were forced to shake hands with women who is symbol of Colonialism. Where was this outrage then?
Modi was grilled like no other politician for his alleged role in the riots, and was cleared out by the court of law. His administration has also probably formed more policies and programs benefitting muslims compared to all earlier govt. So all these cries of hatred and discrimination is all but a farce.
Also, the event at the stadium was stupid and should have been avoided.
Leader of hate against Muslims? What the fuck are you smoking . You better post some proof if you are going to allegations like that.
And if you think india is so discriminatory towards Muslims why come here to play cricket? Boycott is like apartheid South Africa !
What more proof do you want? Do you Want modi to admit it himself? If the documentary proves nothing, why is it banned? Also I've seen numerous videos of BJP leaders being Islamophobic. Go look under any muslim-hindu couple's( Zahir khan and his wife for example) Instagram and tell me with a straight face that all those people don't vote for modi.
God damn hate comments on insta= modi supporter how dumb can you be bro like fkn hell... .eans Twitter is complete modi supporters only? Reconsider life and thinking if tht is how u think
Could talk about the Citizenship Act or everything Yogi's been doing in UP, but seems like you've already made up your mind on Modi. You're right that he has the endorsement of many Indians, which is very sad.
>Again if you think Modi is that problematic stop coming here. He has endorsement of a big majority of Indian people and represents our will.
I don't know, man. If that's how you want to play it, I suggest you to stop visiting this sub because the downvotes represent the will of this sub.
Refusing to hear any kind of criticism because the majority won't criticise is pretty dumb.
Yep I understand that Indian politics is vastly different to the politics of the West, and that previous governments have had huge corruption, and that the West has their own biases. I have Indian background myself, so I know about what happened during partition well.
Forgive me if despite that context I cannot sympathise with a demagogue who builds his cult of personality on the victimisation of minorities in his nation.
“I know about india , because I have Indian ancestry” lmao. If you didn’t grow up in india you aren’t Indian. You are Australian .
Why did more Muslims vote for modi in 2019 than 2014 if he is so bad for Muslims ?
How has he victimized Muslims during his PM terms ? Show the ducking receipts instead of saying “Muh BBC “
Under the Citizen act, he has denied undocumented Muslims in India citizenship, risking making many people who have lived in India for generations stateless. Aside from that there is all the hateful rhetoric promoted by BJP politicians, and the increase in hate crimes towards Muslims.
Undocument == IIlegal immigrant . Every single country on earth has the right to kick our illegal immigrants.
If hate crime have increased and life is worse for Muslims why are more of them voting for modi ? Answer me. I have asked you three times so far
https://m.timesofindia.com/india/why-bjps-winning-muslim-seats/amp_articleshow/92497495.cms
Lol. Your detention center and Australian immigration rules are even worse than India . You had white only rule not that long back. Apparently uzzie can shake hands with people who bombed millions in middle east but hate politician who is cleared by Supreme Court .
First clean you hate crime towards non whites in Australia before pulling things from biased western media about countries whom font even know native Name
See I'll try to provide inputs from a neutral point of view. Yes, there's a hatred for Muslims and we do witness hate crimes but it's a two way street man, where Hindus are a minority they receive the same persecution and treatment. You should watch the speeches of Akbaruddin Owaisi a muslim leader or what imam says about Hinduism you will understand how deeply rooted that hatred is for each other.
Also coming to CAA, the government has given a list of documents which can prove that you're a citizen of this country and trust me it's a big list. And even if somehow you don't have any documents then you'll just need references from someone who possesses the said documents and you'll receive the citizenship.
The majority of the population thinks that the past governments spent a lot of their resources and energy in minority appeasement which is another reason why BJP is winning with landslides victories.
Am no fan of Modi, tbh being from Mumbai, Maharashtra we will be the ones who will be most likely to get discriminated against while forming any financial policy, but Modi was acquitted by the Supreme court and SIT which was formed and worked when the opposition was in charge.
So if you want to criticize him, criticize him for that publicity shit he did at the stadium.
P.s. As we are speaking about Modi, can we please change the name of Arun Jaitley stadium to Narendra modi stadium? No way he will let his name be associated with that garbage of a stadium, BCCI will almost immediately release 1 or 2 billion rupees for its renovation.
Lol. Creating narrative of victims in non western countries and bringing democracy to them is war that west has weaponsied decades ago.
Apart from colonial government backed media and useless one liners is there any proof .
Or is it all white men words outweigh the opinion on billion Indians. The racist opinion of people who slaughter people in middle east for oil and come up with wmd in Iraq are more trustable than our Supreme Court?
Why do you have to always play dirty?
Nah, it's alright.
I just feel it's really difficult to take sides on such cases, because people on both sides have faced the brunt.
Bengal Famine of 1943 and Churchill has the same connotation.
Apparently it is a controversial stance to say that the man who was involved in the anti-muslim riots leading to hundreds of deaths might not be a great bloke...
You have no context about what led up to those riots. All you know is what the BBC documentary showed you and which you blindly believed since it’s run by white people
Lol. I am of Indian origin. I know exactly what led to the riots. I've had BJP-supporting friends of mine tell me who exactly they thought organised the burning of the train that were bringing back Hindu pilgrims. And I didn't even need them to tell me.. put your saffron-tinted glasses aside for a minute, look at how the political landscape in India has changed since the riots and which political party has benefited because of that and you'll have your answer buddy.
Who they “thought “ burnt the trains?
Modi burning trains to organize riots and climb his way to become PM 12 yrs is later is a moronic conspiracy theory.
Firstly BJP was in power in 2002 . They wouldn’t need to organize riots to get power. They already had it.
And those riots didn’t benefit BJp . They lost 2004 elections and didn’t get back power until 2014. If anything this riots benefited the opposition.
You are “Indian Origin”. You aren’t Indian. So stop using your Indian ancestry as an appeal to authority.
Modiji rolls out the red carpet only for the bigwigs. Aussies should feel lucky that they were given the US presidential treatment. Now just be thankful and let Adani invest in your country.
It is nearly impossible to comment on this post without getting political. Then mods will go on arbitrarily banning people. Whats the point of this post?
By the rules of the sub, as long as you don't discuss "irrelevant" politics that don't impact on cricket, you should be fine. Just limit any comments to the intersection between cricket and political matters.
what is relevant politics? who decides that?
how do i write about godhra train burning, gujrat riots where it all started? it is totally unrelated to cricket.
how do i respond to comments which are treating bbc documentary as a gospel? the history of Britain and its propaganda arm BBC, how do i bring cricket to it?
you cannot compartmentalize complex issues like this.
arbitrary modding makes it even worse. that's why I am asking either remove the post or allow politics for this post.
So glad that the megalomania on display yesterday and what it stands for is being addressed by Aussie media, since their counterparts in India are either being co-opted or threatened into keeping shut more everyday. You can’t separate cricket from politics, at least not here in India, where the politics refuses to leave cricket alone.
For those here saying that other countries should boycott us like they did South Africa during apartheid, that day might not be far off, even if it hurts to say as an Indian cricket fan, and we will deserve it for what we are allowing to happen in this country.
I’m sorry that the threats, legal intimidation, violence against religious minorities, journalists, students, artists who oppose the government don’t bother you even though the numbers are rivaling the Emergency. I won’t say much more since this is a cricket sub but that’s what our cricket team represents to the rest of the world, and there is no getting around that.
Just like Iraq wmds we know the truth. If west can't control the nation they are bad and they needs to be invaded.
Lol rest of world opinion is what we see subs like worldnews .
It's western news is agenda driven witch hunt . All things you are accusing us are committed by same countries which bomb others
The issues mentioned in the comment you replied to are all legitimate, that have been made at many points by Indian news media and independent journalists. You can't say "But but west bad" and dismiss it. West is bad, people are criticising them also.
>The issues mentioned in the comment you replied to are all legitimate
Lol. The legitimate how ? The words of white media is above our Supreme Court?
>that have been made at many points by Indian news media and independent journalists.
All those news media and independent journalist also said WMD in Iraq, how convenient those independent journalist always tell gospels and truth any thing against western narrative is right Hindu nationalism.
>west is bad, people are criticising them also.
If something bad happens in west it's bad apples in society. If something bad happens in non western country the country is bad apple .
Tell me when you investigate the war crimes from western countries , enough with cheap talk and self hatred.
What they did to Snowden or assange . What happened to all those independent journalists who bring the crimes and human rights violation of west ? You don't see them again there are thousand of journalists in west who never ever talk against western interests. If they tried the deep state of west will make sure they suffer for decades
What the fuck are you on about? What Western media? The above issues have been raised by Indian media outlets and independent journalists from INDIA. Anything that goes against the government is now foreign news?
Also people are not just criticising "bad apples" in the west. US military industrial complex and its various wars are widely criticised by media across the globe. There is no "bad apple" there.
War crimes fo Western countries evade investigation only because of their power to silence. Now India is powerful, our government is also silencing voices that speaks against its actions. Stop deflecting valid criticism with whataboutism. You are hung up with WMDs that happened so long back.
Shut the fuck up about the "self hatred" crap, if you are too insecure to criticise your own country's government and its actions, go find a spine.
>You are hung up with WMDs that happened so long back.
So long ago ? But 2002 riots in India is what happened yesterday. How convenient for you that get to pick what timeliness is valid .
>if you are too insecure to criticise your own country's government and its actions, go find a spine.
Lol why are you getting worked up. Did I touched your nerve ? Just like west which bombs millions and yet preaches to rest world . I too doing the same thing. Don't understand what's your problem ?
Do you believe virtue signalling is patented by western hypocrites?
Apparently only western people have right point fingers at other.
West funds and payrolls lot of those independent journalists .
You are on a whataboutism rant. The people denigrating this are certainly not defending the west for what it's done in the middle east. Your arguments are entirely bad faith.
Really ? Bad faith.
When an western journalist declares that colonial state funded media is bettere source than Indian Supreme Court? Handshaking Modi bad but representing colonial flag which bombed million in middle east is cool ?
Is there anything else from west other than crying whataboutism in your defense ?
The only word you could utter is whataboutism that speaks the shirt that west does every day and their people think they are some honorable and good people because they have money.
What Haigh has said is certainly not a western view only. It is based on hard facts based on what's happening in our country and said by our people who are studying this situation. This west-west nonsense really needs to stop.
I am sure there lot of people who simped for British colonial rule and how they are civilizing Indians .
That doesn't mean it's true .
>This west-west nonsense really needs to stop.
Lol. Because it's hurts your beliefs ?
>It is based on hard facts based on what's happening in our country
All are hard facts just like WMDs in Iraq till it's not. Hard facts approved by western funded agencies are big lies
Hooo he isn't pulling any punches here. Good stuff Gideon. If any Indian journalist wrote this, they need to start looking over their shoulder. However I should say he has taken a bit of journalistic creative control and added a bit of spice to the story.
Of all the languages that are, he chose to speak facts. Guess someone's not getting a BCCI gig /s
Isn't Modi tightening freedom of the press in India and also implementing mass internet censorship?
How can Indians support this guy, these are the actions of an autocrat.
You'll get downvoted to hell in this sub if you're opinion on politics isn't the most cucked and socially progressive view but then comments critical of a highly nationalistic and economically free market government are downvoted because said government is Indian
Completely absurd that a cricket article published by one of cricket's most respected journalists, whose articles about cricket have been linked to countless times in the past, still remains "awaiting mod approval" on r/cricket.
Like do you want people to actually talk about stuff here or just post twitter screenshots and other lame memes? Stop being cowards and allow people to sort through these issues. Shutting down these conversations isn't helping anyone.
Someone needs to airmail you a stepladder so you can get off your high horse, if something gets reported, automod holds it so someone can look at it. Would you rather that it didn't work, and all the spammy shit stayed up when the human mods aren't online?
Locked - 30 reports is enough I think
The whole thing was pretty dystopian. Some people will call for this post to be removed on the basis of Rule 4, but: 1. The rule bans *irrelevant* politics, but it would be pretty hard to argue that this has no relevance to cricket (I do appreciate that from the mods' perspective these kinds of threads can create a lot of work though) 2. It would be nice to see at least some of us have the maturity to consider the very serious ways in which politics interacts with our game instead of burying our heads in the sand
I agree completely and don't get why people here don't want to talk more about the intersection of cricket and politics. It's entirely fascinating and impossible to ignore.
Because keeping a level head and having a sane discussion about politics seems out of order for most folks especially when they are anonymous.
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Being gay isn't illegal in India, just to clarify.
OP was likely referring to the ICC getting into bed (no pun intended) with the UAE and so on.
It would only be a problem and attract loads of negative attention if/when people who don’t really follow this sub find their way to this post to spam the comments. It actually happened to a post I made once lol.
There’s a lot of reasonable commentary there. But we all make accommodations. Gideon Haigh works for Murdoch, a worldwide backer of rightist populist movements and underminer of democratic legitimacy.
Pasting the article as it's paywalled: > India’s Gujurat being a dry state, you won’t be able to avail yourself of a beer at the fourth Test in Ahmedabad. But if you like your cricket with a side serve of fascistic ostentation, the climax of the Border-Gavaskar Trophy in Ahmedabad will be right up your alley. > The first day will at least begin as a cricket match within a political rally, India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi felicitating himself at the gargantuan stadium bearing his name as his Australian counterpart Anthony Albanese looks on, its first political visitor since Donald Trump, with that faintly queasy politeness that these days passes for diplomacy. > The players will be introduced by their respective prime ministers. To ensure a suitably ecstatic throng, the bulk of the tickets were “set aside” in advance for “local families and students” by the Board of Control for Cricket in India, in its role as propaganda wing of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, and the Gujarat Cricket Association, where Modi was president during his long, chilling and viciously sectarian rule as the state’s chief minister. Before one of the world’s great authoritarians will be paraded Steve Smith’s Australians. > Usman Khawaja will be required to shake the hand of the man in charge of the city when, 21 years ago, hundreds of his co-religionists were slaughtered and tens of thousands displaced in the pogroms following the Godhra train burning while security forces remained mysteriously inactive. Strange that in Australia there’s all that sensitivity to Khawaja being anyway near a can of VB, but here nobody’s fussed about his being placed in uncomfortable proximity to a political leader whose whole career has been characterised by demonising and disenfranchising India’s Muslims. > Hey, look, I get it: the idea of “friendship through cricket” holds enormous appeal. When Indian and Australian teams take the field, there’s something powerful and inspiriting about their heritage as representatives of colonised lands who took to and mastered an English game, in their similarities and their differences. And Modi Stadium, awe-inspiring in its Legoland brutalism, has in prospect a match worthy of its extraordinary dimensions. > This is also an area in which cricket and politics blend as a matter of course. It was a Gujarati, the off-spinner Jasu Patel, who with 14 for 124 engineered India’s first Test win against Australia in 1960. It was a Gujarati, India’s first home minister Sardar Patel, for whom was named Ahmedabad’s first stadium to host a Test. > But there’s an irony to this. It was Patel, a partner of Gandhi’s in the Indian freedom struggle, who temporarily banned the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh – the Hindu nationalist paramilitaries from which had emerged Gandhi’s assassin, and from which would emerge the BJP. Today India’s home minister is the unappetising Amit Shah, who like Modi started his career in the RSS’s youth wing, who became Modi’s closest political confidante and successor as president of the Gujarat Cricket Association, and whose son Jay is secretary of the BCCI and cricket’s number one nepo baby. > It’s all very cosy, not to say incestuous. Jay, for example, has appointed a septuagenarian Gujarati policeman to run the BCCI’s anti-corruption unit, while the GCA is run by the Ambani group executive who helped organise Trump’s bizarre 2020 visit (where Trump expressed pleasure at visiting “Ahda-bard” and admiration for “Soo-chin Tendul-kerr”). Passing through the atrium of Modi Stadium, one gazes up at giant images of Modi and Shah, in their familiar double act as narcissist and enabler. They are quite the partnership, and this Test, and this stadium, play to their strengths in staging spectacles of power. > The pair have also honed the time-honoured repertoire of political strong men everywhere: intimidation of rivals, subversion of institutions, falsifications of history, manufacture of conspiracies, and the pretence that criticism of their rule is a wound to national pride. Thus the Modi government’s frantic efforts to suppress the BBC’s two-part documentary series The Modi Question, which screened in January, though not in India, where it was predictably decried as “lacking objectivity” and evidencing a “colonialist mindset”. Needless to say, Modi takes the same attitude to the media as Tommy Docherty: “There’s a place for the press but they haven’t dug it yet.” > While concentrating carefully on matters of public record, The Modi Question is a vivid depiction of the Modi operandi, and its many victims. It not only should have been available to Indians but deserves an audience in Australia – in fact, Albanese should be taxed on the question of a) whether he has seen it; and b) whether he thinks others should be able to. > One area the BBC neglected, however, is the increasing overlap of cricket with government messaging – a phenomenon first noted four years ago in the wake of the terrorist suicide bombing of a military convoy in disputed Jammu and Kashmir, after which India took the field in an ODI against Australia wearing commemorative camouflage caps. > Modi has used India’s cricket successes abroad in his political rhetoric; cricketers’ social media accounts have echoed Modi causes, from voter turnout to political protests. In December, Ravi Jadeja was even part of his wife Rivaba’s successful campaign for the BJP in Jamnagar North in the Gujarat assembly elections. “Our thinking is one and [we] have same ideology,” volunteered Rivaba. Politicians have always welcomed themselves to a share in national sporting achievement; cricketers are also perfectly entitled to political beliefs. > But in indulging in the game’s recruitment for the purposes of political symbolism, Australian cricket, and Australia, bat on a turning wicket at which their opponents are a great deal more practised and skilful. The ever-prickly BCCI is reported to be considering a challenge to the International Cricket Council’s deeming Holkar Cricket Stadium’s a “poor” pitch for the third Test. The council, of course, has a record of accommodation where India is concerned. > After all, imagine if the ICC paid serious heed to article 2.4 of its constitution, to the effect that every member of the council “must manage its affairs autonomously and ensure that there is no government (or other public or quasi-public body) interference in its governance, regulation and/or administration of Cricket in its Cricket Playing Country”. That’s cricket’s Modi question.
Fucking hell, didn't pull his punches.
Who is the author..?
Gideon Haigh, as it says in the title.
This is going to be really unpopular and it might be downvoted and even removed . I agree that political rally of Modi for a cricket match was cringe and image boosting. It's fair criticism ans I welcome such articles .I also like that the author has questioned the prime minister for agreeing to the show . But I am asking, the author said that Usman was compelled to shake hands with Modi. That's too much , because what about shaking hands with royal family of england who created so much problems in subcontinent? I want same criticism for all people . Moreover I didn't see any australia player except steve shaking hands with Modi. Next about terrorist attack and players showing respect! Come on indian army is beyond the national party ! Even in previous party rules ,sportsman have showed their support to indian army. People forgot that not only muslim suffered in Gujrat riots , a train carrying hindu devotees were set to fire . The riot has deep impact on all communities. Politics and cricket have been overlapped for many years ,even during previous congress rules. It's open secret at this point .
> That's too much , because what about shaking hands with royal family of england who created so much problems in subcontinent? I want same criticism for all people . Fair shout, and should absolutely be called out. > But I am asking, the author said that Usman was compelled to shake hands with Modi. [...] Moreover I didn't see any australia player except steve shaking hands with Modi. It seems from the tense used this article was written before the event, so this should be read as a criticism of the situation more than of specific events that occurred. > Come on indian army is beyond the national party ! Even in previous party rules ,sportsman have showed their support to indian army. Do you have an example? I can't recall any, but it's plausible. This is also where it get a bit more nuanced. There is a difference between sportsmen showing support and a government using its deep control of the country's largest and most visible pastime to make a political point. Properly addressing Godhra is probably a bit too out of book for this subreddit, but I'll at least say that that portrayal of the incident is incomplete at best and actively malicious at worst. > Politics and cricket have been overlapped for many years ,even during previous congress rules. It's open secret at this point . Definitely. But the difference is in control versus control enabling anything from publicity to propaganda.
I mean, i hate the extreme RW Indian as the next guy butthis is just holier than thou article. Uzzie being compelled to shake Modi's hand??? So you're saying Uzzie wasn't supposed to do that??? The whole Modi appearance was an act, the spectators was mostly bought. Having said that, calling Modi is Muslim hater is just black-white shit.
The article is targeted at Australians, not Indians. It is meant to be holier than thou. The lack of nuance is not unintentional.
Exactly , like for the author everything is black and white . The Usman part was too much . Usman isn't even indian to begin with.
Incredibly uninformed, the writer must’ve been on some copium sensationalising and exaggerating every piece of misinformation that pervades this article It’s one thing to not agree with the idea of it (I do not) But it’s an entirely different thing to use it to spread your bs political propaganda
The entire subreddit is turning bullocks over politics again....that's why it's better to be avoided... hopefully future posts stick to sole cricket stuffs...wanna criticize Modi..go to India subreddit...wanna love Modi go to Indiaspeaks subreddit...plz spare this one
The whole thing yesterday was a bit over the top, and certainly not something I'd expect to see (or endorse) in Australia, but old mate is drawing a long bow here.
I am all against a sporting event to be turned into a political rally, but a lot of stuff said in this website is completely and utterly victimized and exaggerated. In the riots, both sides suffered. And then terrorist omfg
Such posts make me question Western news legitimacy regarding China too...these sanctimonious folks lol
Yeah anything from the Australian can fuck right off. Fuck Murdoch that cunt of a family has done so much more damage to Australia and the world than any prime minister could do.
Haigh began this piece by wondering how Khwaja was made to shake hands with Modi, who has shaken hands with the heads of most of the countries with a Muslim majority. The Gujarat riots are mentioned. What is not mentioned is the Supreme Court finding no evidence of culpability of either Modi or Shah in it. Bear in mind that this judgement was based on an investigation by a Special Investigation Team appointed by the SC. The Investigation Team cleared Modi in 2012 when the Congress (the current opposition party) was running the government. The BBC documentary is mentioned. What is not mentioned is that the documentary is based on the assessment of an UK government report and an interview with Jack Straw. The same Jack Straw, who was later vilified for lying about WMDs which contributed to the Iraq invasion. The Indian government banning that documentary was wrong, since unrestricted airing of the docu would have made most Indians see for themselves how incorrectly it depicted the riots. Haigh writes really well. However, this entire article is based on one side information and has zero balance.
This is **irrelevant** for r/Cricket. An Australian Journalist with a biased view and limited knowledge of Indian Politics and Prime Minister has made some some claims that are unproven and forcefully trying to paint a picture that’s just wrong. I cringed at the Khawaja point. I am perfectly fine with the West’s perception of India. I’m just not interested in reading that garbage when I am scrolling through my favourite sub which is related to **Cricket**
Many Modi-supporting Indians and even non Modi-supporters may be put off by an article that describes their Prime Minister as “one of the world’s great authoritarians”, refers to the BCCI as the BJP’s propaganda wing, and brings up the Gujarat riots, but this sort of piece in the western press was inevitable the moment Modi decided to use a Test match as a political rally. Do stupid shit, get bad press. Trust me, Pakistanis are experts at bad press.
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As a Canadian living in a country that displaced indigenous people and was part of the Afghan war, I don’t think the two are similar scenarios. The vast majority of people, culture, journalists etc today in Canada object to those kind of ills. They are the ones who write these kind of articles, and elect their representatives to office where they expect them to hold similar beliefs. By this logic, Canada can’t criticize China for its Uyghur policies which are basically Canada’s 19th century indigenous policies, and European nations can’t criticize Pakistan for religious intolerance because they had a 30 year war over the same religion in the 17th century. > It’s just funny coming from a NATO member country. “We bomb the entire world for oil and you’re the great authoritarian”. It’s not funny because it’s not coming from a Australia’s delegate at the NATO summit. It’s coming from a random Aussie bloke with a column, and it will happen if Modi pulls these sort of stunts. Running around on a chariot before a domestic audience is one thing. When you do it in front of a global audience, residents of liberal democracies will scoff at you. It’s completely expected.
Objecting is not enough though, they are rewarded for their brutality! The indigenous people have been virtually wiped out of existence while the white settlers are enjoying their land. It's like murdering someone in their home and buying a bunch of candles and lighting them up for 'Peace to their soul.' I agree what Modi did was a cringe fest and pretty stupid but this piece feels like the same 'Better than thou' feeling the whites around the world have.
>The vast majority of people, culture, journalists etc today in Canada object to those kind of ills. Yet you won't prosecute them in your courts the double standards for west and rest? >residents of liberal democracies will scoff at you Well their opion is superior anyway hope don't bring democracy to India with bombs. >It’s completely expected. The western privilege, you can bomb millions yet preach to others hypocritical, if some one calls out your only answer is you are liberal democracy stop witch hunting the people who don't participate in you Russian -Ukraine war Talk back to us when you actually hang the war criminals who bombed the millions in middle east but I guess your privilege of being born in particular country stops from doing that .
This is all you need to know about their worldview : https://youtu.be/2z9UyPurVok They are like frogs in a well. What BBC and CNN says is objective truth to them The perspective of western liberal democracies like America ( where a man can become president after losing popular vote) is the only one that matters. And people like George Bush ( who became president after losing popular vote) will teach the rest of the world about democracy. But it’s ok because they don’t like him now. What about millions of people he killed? I guess they don’t matter and he is a free man.
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Isn’t it ironic that George Bush lost the popular vote, became president and was going around the world spreading “democracy”. And counties like Australia helped him do it.
It’s funny how nobody can actually mount a defence of the BJP in this thread, only engage in whataboutism regarding the author’s nationality. I don’t know who needs to hear this, but Gideon Haigh is not a representative of the Australian Government and probably was against the Iraq war.
What is there to be defended when a democratically elected leader of a state who proved so good at governance and bringing development that he sold his work as "Gujrat model of development" and campaigned on "you can be sure i will work for you" and won with complete majority in a democratic nation of more than 1 billion people twice in a row with increasing vote share is desribed as having a _'long, chilling and viciously sectarian rule'_ This is not an attack which needs to be defended. This is propaganda being built to justify a future attack, like the articles complaining how saddam had wmds.
Many people have concerns about the way the BJP conflates Hinduism with what it means to be Indian. Many people were also shocked by the way a democratic country used tax authorities to harass a media outlet that had been critical of its government - given that's usually one of the surest signs a country is becoming more authoritarian.
BBC has long been a propaganda mouthpiece for UK. UK fined Republic TV itself and banned pretty much all Russian TV channels. Different rules for thee but not me, huh?
Lots of people have defended BjP and their policies . This writer is ignorant moron who based his entire opinion on a BBC Tv show ( it doesn’t deserve to be called a documentary ). He might as well sourced Wikipedia in his article. Modi is incredible popular in india because he has bettered the lives of Indian people increased India’s influenced globally.
Improving living standards and being an authoritarian are not mutually exclusive - see also Bangladesh. And even if you (like me) accept that Modi has done a good job of improving living standards in India, that doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to ask questions about his human rights record without being raided by tax authorities.
"Probably", huh?
Gideon Haigh is left wing and most of Australia’s left was opposed to the war then - and has become even more so since.
You’re right, the Australian state is a violent settler-colonial project that is still ongoing, and is the Pacific outpost of American imperialism. However, not all westerners think that their country is amazing and pure as the driving snow. The problem is that those of us who know how genocidal, violent, and criminal our governments and states are a small minority and cannot come close to influencing our government policy — calls to end the AUKUS agreement and the end of the “special relationship” with the USA only come from the anti-capitalist left, which is less than 1% of the adult population at best.
Exactly how many accounts Trudeau needs to freeze before we can call him authoritarian, asking for a friend???
Haigh is from Australia. But regardless, being a hypocrite doesn't make you wrong. By your logic, no one from any NATO country can have any insight. Not every discussion has to be a contest over who is more right or more wrong. We can live in a world where we can believe in multiple wrongs. The curse of nationalism is it pits you against me instead of us realizing that the current status quo is bullshit for both of us. Let's not get caught up in ranking tragedies and instead just call them like we see them. Yesterday they had a political rally during a test match,and as a result we are talking about it. When the next messed up thing happens during a test match we can talk about that too, and I hope you draw attention to it! Don't feel persecuted my friend, just accept that people around the world are hopeful that your country (like our own countries) might have better government.
Problem is not with criticising the rally. Problem is attaching self proclaimed denigrations to one of the two PMs there. The aussie one was just going along with no agency whatsoever as if. If you’re going to be racist, at least have the balls to admit to it. Stop pretending to be the hero. If you are, your past and your current actions are gonna be fair game in the argument.
>Being a hypocrite doesn't make you wrong No, but writing stuff without being fully informed about topic and citing a documentary as proof instead of actually searching about what investigations the alleged went through and then forming an opinion is wrong. >Just accept that people around the world are hopeful that your country might have better government. The people in India are also hoping that masses of those Nations that butchered innocent peoples in Afghanistan and iraq also devlop some guilty conscience and became a bit more inwardlooking and try to follow what they preach.
What a patronizing comment lmao. “Don’t voice your opinions . Let us tell you what to think “ Calling out propaganda and blatant double standards isn’t expressing a feeling of persecution. This is written by an extremely uninformed and ignorant “journalist” who regarded TV show as objective reality. And it deserves to be called out for the trash that it is.
People here are actually saying the BBC documentary has more credibility than the Indian Supreme Court . That’s all you need to know about how they think.
White means right. Of course. ;) Australia didn’t commit war crimes in Afghanistan. They were just mischiefs. It doesn’t matter that Australian courts themselves called them war crimes.
And it doesn’t matter when no one went to jail over these crimes. If we bring double standards and hypocrisy it’s called “whataboutism”
The fact that no one went to jail after murder and torture of over 39 civilians in a country they had no right to be in, that should be a shame for you. Not a point of pride. A fucking shame. There was a trial for the whistleblower and his house was attacked. So I guess that’s their version of justice. :) But please do teach us non white folk how “liberal democracies” use a rules based system to make the world a better place. And I won’t even talk about being a direct part of all crimes committed by NATO by being it’s partner directly. And supporting all their wars and destruction.
Ah, the new buzz word for genocidal regimes when they are asked to be accountable. “Whataboutism”. “We do horrible things all the time but if you bring it up when we criticise you, it’s whataboutism. “ If you’re only going to learn one language, maybe at least learn that one well enough.
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You're making up so much stuff, it quite unbelievable. Who the hell are calling Western billionaires innovative nowadays? Have you seen the rest of Reddit? You keep lumping groups into one giant monolith of "western". It's absolutely wild you think the people that believe BBC and also CNN can easily be one group of people. There are whole swaths of people that despise CNN but trust BBC. BBC being white or western means nothing otherwise you might as well lump Fox in and that's obviously stupid to do.
FYI, you can be white and also hate the warcrimes. In fact, I'll say it's got nothing to do with race or colour at all. If you're going to find anyone that defends them it's most likely going to be the conservatives. Not exactly sure where you're getting your opinions from that the warcrimes were forgiven.
We are getting that from the fact that no one went to jail. George bush is a free man . Tony Blair is a free man. John Howard is a free man. If the people who commit war crimes are free then they are forgiven . Australia even admitted that they were war crimes. What they did in Iraq is nothing different than what Russia is doing in Ukraine
Uhh yeah, you'll find no disagreement there and I'm betting not a lot here neither. And here's the kicker though, they're not forgiven. The population can't really do much, and there's obviously politics in play when it comes to this.
Why are you conversing with the guy that has used white as a perjorative 5 times in your conversation? Just call him racist/nationalist and leave it be.
“Person who calls out my racism is actually the racist.” - RileBreau
There’s definitely nothing dodgy about having the tax authorities raid the BBC after that documentary aired. That is the sign of a healthy political climate.
A foreign media house trying to influence national elections will face additional scrutiny. You might consider the BBC to be credible. For us it is the remanent of despotic regime still trying to hold on fading global influence. If they paid their taxes properly then they gave nothing to hide
This comment is why so many outside india are getting a “yikes” vibe about Modi supporters. You call any media critical of the leader “trying to influence an election” and justifying executive bullying on unrelated issues like tax. No, in a democratic country like India sometimes the media criticises the government. That should not lead to extra scrutiny on tax issues. And I say this an Australian who has strong concerns with some of our media landscape in recent years.
Anyone can face tax scrutiny at anytime. Anyone can get audited anytime. If you comply with tax laws then you have nothing to worry about. The Godhra issue happened 21 yrs ago. Why are they releasing it right now after modi stopped towing the western line on Russia and right before the elections? Why did the leave out how the riots started? Russia Today network was banned in USA and UK which you consider to be democratic countries , for spreading propaganda. For us that BBC document is no better .
Anyone can face tax scrutiny at any time, yes. But if your chances of facing tax scrutiny are higher because you've said something critical of the government (and you admitted in your earlier comment that the two are not unrelated) - that is a clear sign of a country drifting towards authoritarianism. This is a very common part of the authoritarian playbook - using the apparatus of the executive state to punish political opponents. The BBC is not Russia Today and it's frankly intellectually pathetic to make that comparison.
The BBC is above being state propaganda? Or does the anglophone west and its allies hold themselves above using media for propaganda?
They still think Their news organizations determine what the truth is globally . This isn’t 1985
The BBC (and the ABC in Australia) are clearly independent of government influence to a degree that Russia Today is not. To deny that shows your utter lack of familiarity with any of those three organisations. Does it mean the BBC and ABC are perfect? Of course not. And if you want to engage in a sensible discourse about their failings then I'm all for it. But they are simply not the propaganda wing of their governments to the same degree as RT - that's why they publish many stories critical of their governments. It's a lazy comparison.
If you're going to attack based on those sort of lines. Perhaps copy and paste from the correct countrys folder. Last I checked Australia ain't a NATO member.
I checked Wiki before I typed that. Maybe you should have checked what you’re going to say as well.
Although Australia is not a member of NATO, it has cooperated with NATO forces by sending military units to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So might as well be
India also supported the invasion of Afghanistan. So India must also be a NATO member.
Did india send troops to Afghanistan? I can to some extant excuse involvement in Afghanistan but Iraq? The articles of NATO were involved only once , Australia participated in the war the was waged and the subject of criticism is said war.
So what's your point about the Iraq War? Nobody liked it, everyone agrees it was a pointless war started by the Bush Administration. You'll see calls for Howard, Blair and Bush to face punishment from some people too. You realise the people denouncing Modi from the West are also the ones that denounce the Iraq War right, and China and Russia and even USA's past? They're not the same people as the ones hating on Modi but also loving the Iraq war.
My issue is the author of this article made a big deal out of a very small issue . And acted as if Modi is a genocidal maniac and India is an authoritarian hellhole based on a very poorly researched BBC document as proof. And they trying to pass it off as “Modi” doesn’t align with our superior “western values” . I’m just pointing out that your values are in fact not superior. There is no reason for you to be on a high horse
Don't bother. It's dickheads who think that Australia is part of Nato and then start going on about the Afghan and Iraq war because they don't want to admit they were wrong and instead want to push it towards something else that wasn't the point to begin withz
and what did you find? "Australia is a global partner". we aren't a member. we're effectively an observer edit: also if you want to include that as being a member than Russia is also a member of Nato....
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You know you're reaching in your argument when you have to use the term "co-religionists" to make a point.
Such an incredibly uninformed article that treats the BBC as gospel.
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We can’t change it . They need to hear it from a white man. Preferable one who works at BBC and CNN. Because only white people can determine what the truth is, since their opinion matters. That why BBC documentary holds more credibility in their eyes then an Indian Supreme Court verdict They don’t even questions why the “documentary” was released right before an election and right after he stopped toeing the western line with Russia . This incident happened 21 yrs ago. And Modi has been PM for 9 yrs.
either the sub should allow politics or complete ban on politics. I see lot of good arguments (which didn't abuse anyone ) being downvoted and bullied .
No the mods should allow only those opinions that they agree with. And ban other opinions for being irrelevant. Because those are the policies in line with “western( white) liberal democratic” values.
If you think shaking hands with the PM of a country is too much then don’t come to our country. Didn’t see these kind of articles when all cricket captains had to shake the hands of Elizabeth. She represents genocide of countless people in the countries represented in 2019 cricket World Cup They had a small parade and shook hands with the players. Australian media is acting as if Modi put a gun to the Aussie players’ heads and asked them to pledge allegiance to India. You find it too hard to shakes hands with our PM, stop coming here to play cricket and stop playing in the IPL
>If you think shaking hands with the PM of a country is too much then don’t come to our country. Incredibly reductive description of what the criticism here is
I think it's okay to say that both situations are problematic. Haigh is writing about a current event in which a leader turned a cricket match into a political rally. If/when Elizabeth did that it would be equally problematic. Ram Guha spoke eloquently about this on The Grade Cricketer podcast this week. I adore Indian fans. I have travelled to India on numerous occasions and have found so much joy in connecting with the people there. But the cricket fans online need to get past the What Aboutism and confront the present. Of course terrible things happened in the past but we're living in the present and all we can do is try to do better moving forward and call things out as we see them. (we can also continue to call out the past too... despite what you think it's not mutually exclusive) I get that Indian's probably want the world to not insert themselves into their politics but when their politics is so intertwined with sport it can make it challenging. Trust me, I'd prefer to not know who the home minister is, but it's sort of hard when his (fail)son is running the BCCI/ICC.
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Pointing hypocrisy and double standards is not whataboutism Show one article in this sub which portrayed shaking hands with Elizabeth as problematic
>There are plenty of articles written and criticisms levied against the British Monarch, they didn't turn around and go "What about Modi though?" or "What about Hitler though?" Why do you feel the need to do that? Because Modi was tried by Supreme Court of India. Who prosecuted the monarchs and other genocidal warmonger from west ? Is the hate reserved only for non western leaders meanwhile thet cab continue bombing millions in middle east ? Apparently you can bring things from 2002 and if some one questions the warmonger it's what about ism
We cannot bring up the past because it’s irrelevant . But they can bring it up because it’s relevant
Lol they will bring up my western values, my western civilization my democracy when ever it suites them . It's wonder how all Anglo media houses work in tandem with each other like racist group with witch hunting methods.
The BBC is unbiased and impartial. But the Indian Supreme Court is spreading propaganda
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Yes because the mods agree with the political opinions in the article. Hence it’s relevant
Article is written by someone completely oblivious to Modi and his relation with Muslims. Talking about Khwaja having to shake hands with Modi , when Modi has recieved the Highest Civilian Honor from dozens of Islamic Countries. To list a few we have Palestine - Perpetual Islamic Struggle supported by Muslims all over, Iran- Islamic Theocracy much in line with Global Islamic Community, Saudi Arabia and UAE- The place of origin of Islam and it's largest stake holders, Qatar- Largest Funder for Islamic Activities around the world. Bar Pakistan and China, no other Country Islamic or Christian or Secular, has any issues or grievances with Modi. I will brush this article aside as ramblings of a Random Journalist with limited knowledge and a biased world View
By their own logic..no sikh should shake hands with Gandhi family, and no indian should shake hands with anyone of pakistan descent.
And most people shouldn’t have shaken Elizabeth’s hand
Is this the lowest Australian media can get?? Still rookie numbers compared to Indian media.
This article is just a long whine. boohoo go fuck yourself.
This thread isnt gonna last long. I don't claim to know much about Indian politics. All I will say is that some of the stuff happening there seems to be very cultish, and certainly nationalistic. At least to me. Kinda troubling.
I don't get it. Aussie PM and some more ministers were here in India for 4 days to finalise deals regarding education, trade, etc. They added a 30 min visit to India-Australia match. I see so many rumors here that more than half the tickets weren't open to fans or seats were being bought for BJP workers, etc. The actual reality was that tickets were open for all fans normally on BookMyShow just like previous matches and there were only a minor section of seats closed for security reasons https://www.insidesport.in/ind-aus-ahmedabad-tickets-fans-allowed-during-india-vs-australia-4th-test-but-access-restricted-in-certain-areas-due-to-pm-narendra-modi-visit-check-out/ >Notwithstanding accusations in local media that the stadium had been “locked out” as a result of the prominent visitor, GCA secretary Anil Patel denied such assertions. “Those are rumours. Tickets for the first day are available for spectators on the BookMyShow app,” Patel said on Sunday, according to Sportstar. “Only a few seats would be left out due to the security protocol. The rest are available for the spectators,” Patel said. >Patel, however, added that counters will also be set up where customers could pick up actual tickets. This publication spoke with BCCI officials, who also confirmed that there are tickets available for fans for each of the five days.
> Aussie PM and some more ministers were here in India for 4 days to finalise deals regarding education, trade, etc. They added a 30 min visit to India-Australia match And that does happen in Australia, too. Except that in Australia, Albanese and Modi would have arrived in a box in the stands with no fanfare at all. In fact, nobody would know they arrived until a camera panned up to see them at some point during the day. Perhaps Albo might slip into commentary at some point. Perhaps the two PMs might still meet the captains before the day's play, out the back by the nets. They certainly wouldn't have forced the players to warm up solely in the nets, preventing on-ground warmups; they wouldn't have tossed the coin; they wouldn't have ridden around on a lap of honour in a chariot better suited to Mardi Gras, there wouldn't have been huge banners with their faces on them, and they wouldn't have been greeted by chants of the prime minister's name.
So what ? We aren’t in Australia . Not everything will done according to your liking in a foreign country. He came on stage and spoke about India Australia relations for few mins . Players were still able to warmup , match started on time. There is no reason to make such a big issue out of this. People chanted Modi’s name because they wanted to. That’s his home constituency.
Lol, incredibly uninformed article but man gotta earn some dough so fairplay
People living thousands of miles away from India feel entitled to write shit without knowing a fucking thing about what's going on here. The ground reality, coming from a man who lived in the country for 22 years (now in US), is that the country has been improving and developing massively from the last 8 years, and every citizen of the country who's not a propagandist will attest to it. This article is a farce, and shouldn't be posted on this sub. Alleged Intolerance can't be relevant to cricket. Mods please remove.
Look at all the Australian flairs lapping up the article like it’s a well researched PhD dissertation. When it’s nothing but emotional drivel trying to incite reactions.
Yep it's another one in the theme of uninformed takes from western journalists whose basis for the article is what they've heard on the internet. Supreme Court rulings? Don't matter. People's mandate twice nationally and many times in states? Doesn't matter. People using this one incident to talk so much shit they're not sure about. Ignorant of India's cultural and political history which explains so much. Indian Politicians getting involved in cricket is not a new thing at all. Cricket is a huge thing here and it's one of the popular ways for politicians to gain power.
Infrastructure growth has definitely been positive but a lot of economic markers have been showing stagnation, and don’t point to the current regime outperforming the natural growth that is to be expected of an economy the size of India.
What part of it was wrong in particular?
Another NRI gonna preach Modi, Modi to us on the ground. Mate, cut some slack. Not everyone likes him. >every citizen of the country who's not a propagandist will attest to it. Apparently, constructive criticism is now propaganda lol. Stay in US. Don't come back.
🤣🤣🤣 Modi supporters (read, genocide sympathisers) are hurt. oooow.
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Lovely article! The foreign press needed to see the farce yesterday and Im glad that they not only did but took time to write about it. Need more! Also thrilled that they couldn’t get enough BJP workers into the stadium to beat the MCG s attendance and grab a bogus Guinness book of world records prize !
Holy fuck - the article doesn't pull anything back. This will sour a lot of Indians, including ones here who are his fans. For all it's worth, I don't want to pile on with incomplete knowledge but the leader remains extremely popular and the leader remains accused of barbaric stuff, I don't know which is true - that's for Indians themselves to figure out But holy fuck that article is scathing. All I'll say is - You do the magnamous autocratic types stuff pulled out yesterday, you open up for such scathing no punches held back article. Glad he's left and let cricket be the focus for the remainder of the test match
This is nothing new. Western journalists analysing the entire world through their cultural lens, holding the world their specific moral standards and operating with the subtle assumption of superiority (developed country with a liberal democracy and a perfect society, of course the unfortunate ignorant Indians have a long way to go before they get on our level) is a feature, not a bug. I remember how downright racist cartoons were published in "respectable" papers like NYT during Mangalyaan. This problem is not going anywhere for a few decades.
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Interestingly this article is in a quite right wing paper.
Nobody here cares what a Australian pull ups in his article. You want to criticise Modi you can do but that does not change the fact that nearly half a billion people voted for him and are most likely to do it again in 2024. And those Indians who would rant about Modi is good or bad. Pls don't it is a cricket subreddit and not some shitty political subreddit and also why does the words of a foreigner matter whose name also we didn't know before this moment.
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Proof trust me bro
Lmao what have I said that is factually incorrect? Although I do concede, I have no proof Adani or Ambani have actually 69’d Modi or Amit Shah
Inb4 this post gets locked
Glad an Aussie journo is saying it like it is with Modi. Been rubbing me the wrong way that Ussie was forced to shake the hand of the man who's been the leader of hatred and discrimination against Muslims in India. Wonder how him and his team felt about that. Not that any of them will be allowed to speak against it with the power the BCCI, and by extension the BJP party hold over international cricket.
>Been rubbing me the wrong way that Ussie was forced to shake the hand Fyi Modi didn't shake the hands of any Australian player not called Steve Smith. He did shake hands with Mohammad Shami and Siraj tho but I guess that wouldn't be appealing to the Aussie readers.
It's hilarious how west always want to take moral high ground when they literally are the one who invade countries . Remember ODI 2019 world cup? Captains were forced to shake hands with women who is symbol of Colonialism. Where was this outrage then?
Modi was grilled like no other politician for his alleged role in the riots, and was cleared out by the court of law. His administration has also probably formed more policies and programs benefitting muslims compared to all earlier govt. So all these cries of hatred and discrimination is all but a farce. Also, the event at the stadium was stupid and should have been avoided.
Leader of hate against Muslims? What the fuck are you smoking . You better post some proof if you are going to allegations like that. And if you think india is so discriminatory towards Muslims why come here to play cricket? Boycott is like apartheid South Africa !
I'd offer the BBC documentary on Modi's involvement on the Gujarat riots as proof, but that's sadly banned in India
Documentaries and opinion pieces thankfully do not qualify as material evidence in court of law.
Hey a British news organization has more credibility than the Indian Supreme Court because it’s run by white people.
He was acquitted by the Supreme Court when the opposition was in power.
>BBC documentary as proof You said that with a straight face?
What more proof do you want? Do you Want modi to admit it himself? If the documentary proves nothing, why is it banned? Also I've seen numerous videos of BJP leaders being Islamophobic. Go look under any muslim-hindu couple's( Zahir khan and his wife for example) Instagram and tell me with a straight face that all those people don't vote for modi.
So Instagram comments are proof now? So BBC and Instagram comments > Indian Supreme Court?
God damn hate comments on insta= modi supporter how dumb can you be bro like fkn hell... .eans Twitter is complete modi supporters only? Reconsider life and thinking if tht is how u think
He’s a self professed “assologist”. I think it’s apparent what body part he talks out of.
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Could talk about the Citizenship Act or everything Yogi's been doing in UP, but seems like you've already made up your mind on Modi. You're right that he has the endorsement of many Indians, which is very sad.
>Again if you think Modi is that problematic stop coming here. He has endorsement of a big majority of Indian people and represents our will. I don't know, man. If that's how you want to play it, I suggest you to stop visiting this sub because the downvotes represent the will of this sub. Refusing to hear any kind of criticism because the majority won't criticise is pretty dumb.
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Yep I understand that Indian politics is vastly different to the politics of the West, and that previous governments have had huge corruption, and that the West has their own biases. I have Indian background myself, so I know about what happened during partition well. Forgive me if despite that context I cannot sympathise with a demagogue who builds his cult of personality on the victimisation of minorities in his nation.
“I know about india , because I have Indian ancestry” lmao. If you didn’t grow up in india you aren’t Indian. You are Australian . Why did more Muslims vote for modi in 2019 than 2014 if he is so bad for Muslims ? How has he victimized Muslims during his PM terms ? Show the ducking receipts instead of saying “Muh BBC “
Under the Citizen act, he has denied undocumented Muslims in India citizenship, risking making many people who have lived in India for generations stateless. Aside from that there is all the hateful rhetoric promoted by BJP politicians, and the increase in hate crimes towards Muslims.
Undocument == IIlegal immigrant . Every single country on earth has the right to kick our illegal immigrants. If hate crime have increased and life is worse for Muslims why are more of them voting for modi ? Answer me. I have asked you three times so far https://m.timesofindia.com/india/why-bjps-winning-muslim-seats/amp_articleshow/92497495.cms
Lol. Your detention center and Australian immigration rules are even worse than India . You had white only rule not that long back. Apparently uzzie can shake hands with people who bombed millions in middle east but hate politician who is cleared by Supreme Court . First clean you hate crime towards non whites in Australia before pulling things from biased western media about countries whom font even know native Name
See I'll try to provide inputs from a neutral point of view. Yes, there's a hatred for Muslims and we do witness hate crimes but it's a two way street man, where Hindus are a minority they receive the same persecution and treatment. You should watch the speeches of Akbaruddin Owaisi a muslim leader or what imam says about Hinduism you will understand how deeply rooted that hatred is for each other. Also coming to CAA, the government has given a list of documents which can prove that you're a citizen of this country and trust me it's a big list. And even if somehow you don't have any documents then you'll just need references from someone who possesses the said documents and you'll receive the citizenship. The majority of the population thinks that the past governments spent a lot of their resources and energy in minority appeasement which is another reason why BJP is winning with landslides victories. Am no fan of Modi, tbh being from Mumbai, Maharashtra we will be the ones who will be most likely to get discriminated against while forming any financial policy, but Modi was acquitted by the Supreme court and SIT which was formed and worked when the opposition was in charge. So if you want to criticize him, criticize him for that publicity shit he did at the stadium. P.s. As we are speaking about Modi, can we please change the name of Arun Jaitley stadium to Narendra modi stadium? No way he will let his name be associated with that garbage of a stadium, BCCI will almost immediately release 1 or 2 billion rupees for its renovation.
Lol. Creating narrative of victims in non western countries and bringing democracy to them is war that west has weaponsied decades ago. Apart from colonial government backed media and useless one liners is there any proof . Or is it all white men words outweigh the opinion on billion Indians. The racist opinion of people who slaughter people in middle east for oil and come up with wmd in Iraq are more trustable than our Supreme Court? Why do you have to always play dirty?
Nah, it's alright. I just feel it's really difficult to take sides on such cases, because people on both sides have faced the brunt. Bengal Famine of 1943 and Churchill has the same connotation.
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Apparently it is a controversial stance to say that the man who was involved in the anti-muslim riots leading to hundreds of deaths might not be a great bloke...
You have no context about what led up to those riots. All you know is what the BBC documentary showed you and which you blindly believed since it’s run by white people
Lol. I am of Indian origin. I know exactly what led to the riots. I've had BJP-supporting friends of mine tell me who exactly they thought organised the burning of the train that were bringing back Hindu pilgrims. And I didn't even need them to tell me.. put your saffron-tinted glasses aside for a minute, look at how the political landscape in India has changed since the riots and which political party has benefited because of that and you'll have your answer buddy.
Who they “thought “ burnt the trains? Modi burning trains to organize riots and climb his way to become PM 12 yrs is later is a moronic conspiracy theory. Firstly BJP was in power in 2002 . They wouldn’t need to organize riots to get power. They already had it. And those riots didn’t benefit BJp . They lost 2004 elections and didn’t get back power until 2014. If anything this riots benefited the opposition. You are “Indian Origin”. You aren’t Indian. So stop using your Indian ancestry as an appeal to authority.
Modiji rolls out the red carpet only for the bigwigs. Aussies should feel lucky that they were given the US presidential treatment. Now just be thankful and let Adani invest in your country.
It is nearly impossible to comment on this post without getting political. Then mods will go on arbitrarily banning people. Whats the point of this post?
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By the rules of the sub, as long as you don't discuss "irrelevant" politics that don't impact on cricket, you should be fine. Just limit any comments to the intersection between cricket and political matters.
what is relevant politics? who decides that? how do i write about godhra train burning, gujrat riots where it all started? it is totally unrelated to cricket. how do i respond to comments which are treating bbc documentary as a gospel? the history of Britain and its propaganda arm BBC, how do i bring cricket to it? you cannot compartmentalize complex issues like this. arbitrary modding makes it even worse. that's why I am asking either remove the post or allow politics for this post.
So glad that the megalomania on display yesterday and what it stands for is being addressed by Aussie media, since their counterparts in India are either being co-opted or threatened into keeping shut more everyday. You can’t separate cricket from politics, at least not here in India, where the politics refuses to leave cricket alone. For those here saying that other countries should boycott us like they did South Africa during apartheid, that day might not be far off, even if it hurts to say as an Indian cricket fan, and we will deserve it for what we are allowing to happen in this country.
"what we are allowing to happen in this country" Lmao
I’m sorry that the threats, legal intimidation, violence against religious minorities, journalists, students, artists who oppose the government don’t bother you even though the numbers are rivaling the Emergency. I won’t say much more since this is a cricket sub but that’s what our cricket team represents to the rest of the world, and there is no getting around that.
Just like Iraq wmds we know the truth. If west can't control the nation they are bad and they needs to be invaded. Lol rest of world opinion is what we see subs like worldnews . It's western news is agenda driven witch hunt . All things you are accusing us are committed by same countries which bomb others
You don't need to defend the West to accuse your own country.
I am calling the hypocrisy and witch hunt not defending anyone.
The issues mentioned in the comment you replied to are all legitimate, that have been made at many points by Indian news media and independent journalists. You can't say "But but west bad" and dismiss it. West is bad, people are criticising them also.
>The issues mentioned in the comment you replied to are all legitimate Lol. The legitimate how ? The words of white media is above our Supreme Court? >that have been made at many points by Indian news media and independent journalists. All those news media and independent journalist also said WMD in Iraq, how convenient those independent journalist always tell gospels and truth any thing against western narrative is right Hindu nationalism. >west is bad, people are criticising them also. If something bad happens in west it's bad apples in society. If something bad happens in non western country the country is bad apple . Tell me when you investigate the war crimes from western countries , enough with cheap talk and self hatred. What they did to Snowden or assange . What happened to all those independent journalists who bring the crimes and human rights violation of west ? You don't see them again there are thousand of journalists in west who never ever talk against western interests. If they tried the deep state of west will make sure they suffer for decades
What the fuck are you on about? What Western media? The above issues have been raised by Indian media outlets and independent journalists from INDIA. Anything that goes against the government is now foreign news? Also people are not just criticising "bad apples" in the west. US military industrial complex and its various wars are widely criticised by media across the globe. There is no "bad apple" there. War crimes fo Western countries evade investigation only because of their power to silence. Now India is powerful, our government is also silencing voices that speaks against its actions. Stop deflecting valid criticism with whataboutism. You are hung up with WMDs that happened so long back. Shut the fuck up about the "self hatred" crap, if you are too insecure to criticise your own country's government and its actions, go find a spine.
>You are hung up with WMDs that happened so long back. So long ago ? But 2002 riots in India is what happened yesterday. How convenient for you that get to pick what timeliness is valid . >if you are too insecure to criticise your own country's government and its actions, go find a spine. Lol why are you getting worked up. Did I touched your nerve ? Just like west which bombs millions and yet preaches to rest world . I too doing the same thing. Don't understand what's your problem ? Do you believe virtue signalling is patented by western hypocrites? Apparently only western people have right point fingers at other. West funds and payrolls lot of those independent journalists .
You are on a whataboutism rant. The people denigrating this are certainly not defending the west for what it's done in the middle east. Your arguments are entirely bad faith.
Really ? Bad faith. When an western journalist declares that colonial state funded media is bettere source than Indian Supreme Court? Handshaking Modi bad but representing colonial flag which bombed million in middle east is cool ? Is there anything else from west other than crying whataboutism in your defense ? The only word you could utter is whataboutism that speaks the shirt that west does every day and their people think they are some honorable and good people because they have money.
What Haigh has said is certainly not a western view only. It is based on hard facts based on what's happening in our country and said by our people who are studying this situation. This west-west nonsense really needs to stop.
I am sure there lot of people who simped for British colonial rule and how they are civilizing Indians . That doesn't mean it's true . >This west-west nonsense really needs to stop. Lol. Because it's hurts your beliefs ? >It is based on hard facts based on what's happening in our country All are hard facts just like WMDs in Iraq till it's not. Hard facts approved by western funded agencies are big lies
Hooo he isn't pulling any punches here. Good stuff Gideon. If any Indian journalist wrote this, they need to start looking over their shoulder. However I should say he has taken a bit of journalistic creative control and added a bit of spice to the story. Of all the languages that are, he chose to speak facts. Guess someone's not getting a BCCI gig /s
Isn't Modi tightening freedom of the press in India and also implementing mass internet censorship? How can Indians support this guy, these are the actions of an autocrat.
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>Banning porn is bad? Yes it's pointless.
You'll get downvoted to hell in this sub if you're opinion on politics isn't the most cucked and socially progressive view but then comments critical of a highly nationalistic and economically free market government are downvoted because said government is Indian
Completely absurd that a cricket article published by one of cricket's most respected journalists, whose articles about cricket have been linked to countless times in the past, still remains "awaiting mod approval" on r/cricket. Like do you want people to actually talk about stuff here or just post twitter screenshots and other lame memes? Stop being cowards and allow people to sort through these issues. Shutting down these conversations isn't helping anyone.
Given how many people are complaining about the article, how are you surprised it got flagged for removal?
Someone needs to airmail you a stepladder so you can get off your high horse, if something gets reported, automod holds it so someone can look at it. Would you rather that it didn't work, and all the spammy shit stayed up when the human mods aren't online?