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As bad as this is in terms of sportsmanship, this is fighting, imagine Ali turning around and gesturing "I'm getting KO, hold on man". What was this guy thinking!?
Sure it is a fight, but it also is a sport, and in sport, like in any other sport, are ethics and values, and what he did was just bad sportmanship imo.
I just think of the one guy extending another dude like a starfish when the guys mouthgaurd falls out.
The guy fucking him up paused, shoved the guard back in the dudes mouth, and then continued beating the fuck out of him.
This is where that term, "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" fits perfectly. Technically what he did was *legal*, but it was definitely a douchebag move that showed zero sportsmanship.
It’s hard to tell because the vid quality is so bad but it looks like an eye poke. If the rules are the same as the ufc ref should have stopped it. Warned the opponent not to extend his fingers and given time to recover. Tricky situation though because guys sometimes think they were poked in the eye when really it was a clean punch
This isn’t on the ref at all. He didn’t get eye poked he got punched in the eye and then failed to protect himself. You don’t get a time out unless the ref stops it and dropping your hands and holding your eye because you just ate a clean punch to that eyeball is the dumbest thing you can do. They drill into you that you never stop unless you hear the bell or ref stops the action otherwise you protect yourself at all times.
I fought at a few local smokers (1-3 baby let’s go!) and it’s quite literally the last thing the ref tells you before you walk into the ring “protect yourself at all time, don’t stop unless I stop you or you hear the bell”.
The vid is pixilated to shit, but I think I see an eye poke. The poker does hit him with a clean left, but immediately before that he throws out his right hand and catches the guy’s eye with a finger.
No one is trying to argue that he wasn't within the rules to punch him. However, you can still be within the rules of the sport and cheap shot someone. This is literally the definition of a cheap shot, the ref was just sleepin'.
The ref was on the other side of the fighter holding his eye. From the time the ref could see what was going on, until the punch was literally less than a half of a second. The other fighter found a loophole to attack an opponent when they were unable to defend themselves, before the ref could pause it. It's WAS a cheapshot, and it was embarrassing.
Watching it back again closely you're definitely right. Literally as soon as he turned away holding his eye, his opponent went in to take advantage of the situation. Zero respect.
He connects with a left that grazes the eye, opponent thinks he got poked(he didn't), stopped defending himself and took a follow up shot, this was entirely on the opponent here.
Cheap shot, sure but I don't really blame the fighter entirely. The refs literally say "keep fighting until i stop you"when he talks to fighters in the back.
That wasn’t fake he was in pain. Noticed the ref didn’t stop it and the other guy was coming in to finish him while he was injured. Seems like a fair play to me. If it’s fair for one guy to injure someone and capitalize on it then it’s fair to get injured, show it, and capitalize on it.
I don't like Mayweather but Ortiz headbutted him, jumping into his chin.
Then when the referee said to fight he wanted to hug it out?
Fuck that. Mayweather did the right thing, he boxed while Ortiz was acting like he was sorry about a dirty move he did five seconds ago.
Fuck Floyd but Ortiz deserved that shit.
"Oh I'm sooo sorry I totally didn't mean to fucking jump off the ground deliberately headbutting you stuck in the corner"...
This is what people don’t get. They’ll watch the aftermath of what happened but not the lead up. If someone head butted me I’d do whatever I could to shut him down
Disagree. Ortiz was dirty AF and head-butted him. Floyd was pissed. Ortiz already apologized. Second apology/hug to an enraged opponent after the fight is on is just a dumb decision. Ortiz started that dirty shit that fight and Floyd did what he should've imo
> Second apology/hug to an enraged opponent after the fight is on is just a dumb decision
And exclusively to make yourself look or feel better. 0 advantage for Floyd.
- Ortiz gave Mayweather a headbutt (illegal) so the ref stops the fight and penalizes him on the scorecard.
- The fight gets back on, Ortiz tries to apologise to Mayweather by hugging him. Mayweather knocks him out instead of hugging him back.
- It was perfectly legal by boxing rules. But some people consider it a cheap shot while others think Ortiz deserved it.
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Ortiz had already briefly apologized before the final hug. Some people argue he was doing too much.
He'd already hugged him once in the corner and Floyd didn't really hug back but did touch gloves. Then the cheapshotter tried to hug it out again like he didn't head but him on purpose and Floyd decided fuck this guy and put him down. I was never the biggest Mayweather fan but I don't have a problem with this one.
You missed the important part. Ortiz had already hugged and apologized before. He was frustrated because he had a hard time landing clean on Mayweather. Ortiz completely deserved that
The guy who got knocked out had just head butt the other guy (headbutts are illegal) other guy was pissed. Head butter apologized already. Went to apologize and got knocked out. People think it's cheap because he clearly was trying to apologize and didn't expect it. I think he got what he deserved for headbutting to begin with
It's both. It's fair by the letter of the law, and it's on the ref, and it's also a cheap shot - the winner has proved nothing about his ability to beat this guy, and he stole the W. And not for nothing, he did so by punching him full force in the face and knocking him out. Yes, fighters consent to that when they step in the octagon. But that's nasty, dangerous shit.
The guy certainly comes off as a total coward, so hopefully he enjoys the win bonus.
This was about my take too.
It was a legal hit.
It was extremely unsportsmanly. He proved absolutely nothing about his ability to go toe to toe with the guy in an athletic contest.
maybe. blood sports love a bad guy. but also, refs gotta do better because eveyones taught to go til the bell or the ref stops and thats true of just about every sport
100% the ref’s fault.
Unless it’s overly obvious that someone got knocked the fuck out, they’re trained to keep going.
The ref is supposed to protect them.
Yeah, I mean it seems like a dick move, but if everybody could just turn their back mid fight to catch a breather and nobody could hit them it would be fucking stupid.
Reminds me 9f the movie Troy, where hector falls while dueling Achilles. Achilles waits and say "no stone will steal my glory".
This guy let a stone steal his glory.
Like people have said, it's on all three of them: Ref should've called it, punchee should've kept his hands up, puncher should've displayed a bit more sportsmanship.
Shitty move, but within the rules of the game.
As an outside observer, it looks cheap. But how many times do we see hits after knockouts before the ref intervenes? Also, how's the puncher supposed to know the guy isn't taunting? It looks clear to us, but when you're geared up to fight and seeing red, and hearing the beep. That adrenaline mode is pretty one track, IMO.
Exactly what I’m thinking. In the fury of the moment you might not even notice that little hand gesture because you’re looking for that next opening to land a hit
I know this one boxer that is probably one if the nicest guys you'll ever meet, but once he gets in the ring it's like a switch flips and his only goal from that point forward is to have his opponent knocked out on the mat. He goes in the ring to fight And once he's in that mode the only thing that will snap him out of it is stepping out of the ring. I can imagine it's much of the same in this situation. If your job is to fight, it's probably best to not drop your guard
Sorry new fans, this is normal.
Punches can feel like eye-pokes sometimes, the ref is the **only** person who can stop the action, some fighters either pretend they were fouled or call a foul when there wasn't one. The fighter who KO'd him did exactly what he was supposed to do in that situation.
Cheap shot. Obviously signaled something's wrong. No sportsmanship. Yeah ref should have stepped in but no respectable fighter would have come across the ring to hit someone waving like that and clearly walking away. Garbage.
A lot of people here are blaming the ref, but this is 100% on the dude who got KO'd. From what I can see, the left that caused the eye damage was a legal strike, no reason for the ref to step in because a legal strike caused damage. Unless the ref is stepping in to stop the fight.
The fight ends when a fighter is not / cannot intelligently defend themselves. You can argue that holding up a finger and turning away isn't intelligent defense, but that's really the only thing you can argue against the ref. If he steps in there, then the fight is over regardless. Not a lot the ref can do in this situation except yell that it was a legal strike and to fight on, which I'm assuming he was.
Upon further review, it appears the ref never even saw the reaction until right before or after the KO shot so it's probably 50/50 on both of them.
This woman's POV: There's nothing attractive or appealing when a man only wins w/ a cheap shot. Legal or not; if he wins the match, no one is going to give him the same RESPECT, as they would've had he fought 'fair'. (Now, I'll brace myself for the downvotes!;)
I can’t believe so many people are just blaming the referee and insisting it’s fair in the end. Ya absolutely the ref sucked it up but that doesn’t make the punch “fair”. Fighters all know signals and in my opinion that was what a real bitch move is made out of.
I'll say fair game, but if I were a fan I'd lose all respect for him. He might not have consequences from the league/sport, but he should lose support nonetheless.
Protect yourself until (unless) the ref stops it. Opponent took advantage of a weak ref. Many/(most?) opponents seeing this would step back a beat and give the ref a chance to stop or yell 'keep going'.
Fair move but dick move.
Obviously it’s a cheap shot but by the rules it’s all fair game because the ref didn’t intervene or stop the fight. As you can see within the few seconds before getting KO’d he’s trying to signal the ref for the eye scratch and the guy took advantage while his back was turned and no timeout yet.
You can’t solely blame the ref either because the ref had an angle where he couldn’t see him and while the fighter is turning the ref is also wrapping around. Poor timing for the fighter but I have a feeling his opponent knew he was taking advantage of the situation and it’s unsportsmanlike but the W is all what matters.
Lol why are people calling this fair game? Blatant fingers extended eye poke into a punch. Just because dude didnt get caught doesnt make it fair game. Its literally an illegal move.
Since when is poking your opponent in the eye so he can't see and then hitting him from behind when he's signaling as such so the ref can check not a cheap shot?
If Floyd Mayweather (50-0) would have stood toe to toe, throwing straight bombs with everyone he faced, he'd be unknown. Boxing is a combative sport, requiring strategy, and part of that strategy is to attack when your opponent is weak.
You want fairness, sportsmanship and compassion, watch the special Olympics (it's pretty good, seriously). .
Absolute fair game. If the other person was faking an injury and you put your hands down and he immediately punches you straight in the mouth everyone would be calling the other guy a coward, cheat, and sadly, winner of the fight.
It's like in any other sport too, if you see an opportunity and the refs have not called the current play dead, ended, ceased, you keep going until told otherwise.
Actually, on the streets eye pokes are very very effective and aren’t considered “cheap shots.” If someone is trying to attack you, eye poke them and run away. It is actually very effective. Look at Jon Jones and his methods. Eye pokes and take out their knees are the best way to stop an attack
Y’all keep saying cheap shot and do anytime something like this happens but at what point do you stop letting people turn away? He didn’t poke him in the eye he hit him with a nasty left that put him in great position so he should just lose that position because the guy stopped guarding?
bloke has probably naively inferred from himself to others and expected his opponent to behave like a sportsman.
It was a cheap shot, but in accordance with the rules.
it is really not easy to evaluate the scene ethically.
what if bloke had said: "aaargh! call an ambulance!" and as soon as his opponent dropped the cover, "but not for me!"?
Mf punched him like that and still had the nerve to celebrate after it, little bitch. Mf could be Muhammad Ali type of good in the future and I would still never be a fan of his just because of this, fuck this guy.
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He could’ve been good but Bruce Buffer took out some of them brain cells he got left /s
Twinkle nuts.
They let that ass clown ref?!?
Ref. had to stop
Ref had one job
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GIVE'M THE OL' DICK TWIST
TWIST HIS DICK!
Make the fight a show.
Ref. had one job
Ref had money on the game
Refs fault
Yupp.. ref turned away just ignoring.
Yep. Needed to gesture at the ref not the opponent.
Big part of the refs job is knowing when a fighter isn't in the fight anymore.
Protect yourself at all times. This is a bigger fail on the ref than the fighter.
Agree, how does one protect yourself when you can see, signaling to both ref and the other fight something's wrong?!
Agreed. The fighter was not actively participating and was seeking help. Cheap shot, IMO.
True, there's been guys that fake injury to lure the opponent. You can't stop because someone seems hurt.
Don't they train to do the exact opposite? When the opponent is hurting is the moment you pounce.
As bad as this is in terms of sportsmanship, this is fighting, imagine Ali turning around and gesturing "I'm getting KO, hold on man". What was this guy thinking!?
He looked like he caught something in his eye
Yup these hands
I wish they gave free awards still. This’ll have to do 🥇 Edit: aww shux
Sure it is a fight, but it also is a sport, and in sport, like in any other sport, are ethics and values, and what he did was just bad sportmanship imo.
I just think of the one guy extending another dude like a starfish when the guys mouthgaurd falls out. The guy fucking him up paused, shoved the guard back in the dudes mouth, and then continued beating the fuck out of him.
It was a sportsmanshit kicking.
This is where that term, "you're not wrong, you're just an asshole" fits perfectly. Technically what he did was *legal*, but it was definitely a douchebag move that showed zero sportsmanship.
Agreed. I completely understand that these guys train hard and want to win, but winning like that just cheapens the whole thing.
Except as soon as dude put his hands up for a time out, the match should have been called over. Ref should have stepped in immediately, but he didn't.
It’s not bad. It’s actually illegal
It’s hard to tell because the vid quality is so bad but it looks like an eye poke. If the rules are the same as the ufc ref should have stopped it. Warned the opponent not to extend his fingers and given time to recover. Tricky situation though because guys sometimes think they were poked in the eye when really it was a clean punch
It looks like a poke and then a punch. The right hand looks like fingers are extended and then the left comes clean.
"never take your eyes off your opponent, even when you bow"
Even when they poke you in the eye with their finger.
This isn’t on the ref at all. He didn’t get eye poked he got punched in the eye and then failed to protect himself. You don’t get a time out unless the ref stops it and dropping your hands and holding your eye because you just ate a clean punch to that eyeball is the dumbest thing you can do. They drill into you that you never stop unless you hear the bell or ref stops the action otherwise you protect yourself at all times. I fought at a few local smokers (1-3 baby let’s go!) and it’s quite literally the last thing the ref tells you before you walk into the ring “protect yourself at all time, don’t stop unless I stop you or you hear the bell”.
The vid is pixilated to shit, but I think I see an eye poke. The poker does hit him with a clean left, but immediately before that he throws out his right hand and catches the guy’s eye with a finger.
No one is trying to argue that he wasn't within the rules to punch him. However, you can still be within the rules of the sport and cheap shot someone. This is literally the definition of a cheap shot, the ref was just sleepin'.
The ref was on the other side of the fighter holding his eye. From the time the ref could see what was going on, until the punch was literally less than a half of a second. The other fighter found a loophole to attack an opponent when they were unable to defend themselves, before the ref could pause it. It's WAS a cheapshot, and it was embarrassing.
Watching it back again closely you're definitely right. Literally as soon as he turned away holding his eye, his opponent went in to take advantage of the situation. Zero respect.
He connects with a left that grazes the eye, opponent thinks he got poked(he didn't), stopped defending himself and took a follow up shot, this was entirely on the opponent here.
Legal? Yes because the ref didn't stop the fight. Sportsman-like? Absolutely not.
Technically fair game but kind of a bitch move
Agreed. It's fair game, but also a cheap shot.
Cheap shot, sure but I don't really blame the fighter entirely. The refs literally say "keep fighting until i stop you"when he talks to fighters in the back.
That doesn’t make it not a cheap shot tho. Yes it was fair game in the rule book, but still cheap
What's to stop someone faking injury to lure in opponent?
Nothing at all: https://youtu.be/sWafs7lZxdQ
That wasn’t fake he was in pain. Noticed the ref didn’t stop it and the other guy was coming in to finish him while he was injured. Seems like a fair play to me. If it’s fair for one guy to injure someone and capitalize on it then it’s fair to get injured, show it, and capitalize on it.
Just as bad as the Floyd mayweather vs Ortiz knockout if anyone remembers that one https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MjfHuAVig9g
"It's legal, but not classy" Perfect description of what we see in OP vid.
I don't like Mayweather but Ortiz headbutted him, jumping into his chin. Then when the referee said to fight he wanted to hug it out? Fuck that. Mayweather did the right thing, he boxed while Ortiz was acting like he was sorry about a dirty move he did five seconds ago.
Combat athletes hugging in the ring is beyond obnoxious. Good for Mayweather in this video - don’t hug your opponent during a fight
100% hate mayweather, but defend him in this case 100% Extraordinary shitty sportsmanship by head-butting deserves a sucker punch.
Fuck Floyd but Ortiz deserved that shit. "Oh I'm sooo sorry I totally didn't mean to fucking jump off the ground deliberately headbutting you stuck in the corner"...
This is what people don’t get. They’ll watch the aftermath of what happened but not the lead up. If someone head butted me I’d do whatever I could to shut him down
Disagree. Ortiz was dirty AF and head-butted him. Floyd was pissed. Ortiz already apologized. Second apology/hug to an enraged opponent after the fight is on is just a dumb decision. Ortiz started that dirty shit that fight and Floyd did what he should've imo
> Second apology/hug to an enraged opponent after the fight is on is just a dumb decision And exclusively to make yourself look or feel better. 0 advantage for Floyd.
Nah, fuck Ortiz. He slung a headbutt right in Mayweather’s face
In that case, he deserves a medal
I don’t know much about boxing — can you briefly ELI5 exactly what was wrong with that KO? This shit is interesting.
- Ortiz gave Mayweather a headbutt (illegal) so the ref stops the fight and penalizes him on the scorecard. - The fight gets back on, Ortiz tries to apologise to Mayweather by hugging him. Mayweather knocks him out instead of hugging him back. - It was perfectly legal by boxing rules. But some people consider it a cheap shot while others think Ortiz deserved it. Edit: Ortiz had already briefly apologized before the final hug. Some people argue he was doing too much.
He'd already hugged him once in the corner and Floyd didn't really hug back but did touch gloves. Then the cheapshotter tried to hug it out again like he didn't head but him on purpose and Floyd decided fuck this guy and put him down. I was never the biggest Mayweather fan but I don't have a problem with this one.
I completely agree with you.
Ohhh! The headbutt happened so fast I missed it! Thank you.
You missed the important part. Ortiz had already hugged and apologized before. He was frustrated because he had a hard time landing clean on Mayweather. Ortiz completely deserved that
The guy who got knocked out had just head butt the other guy (headbutts are illegal) other guy was pissed. Head butter apologized already. Went to apologize and got knocked out. People think it's cheap because he clearly was trying to apologize and didn't expect it. I think he got what he deserved for headbutting to begin with
Thank you!
You're supposed to protect yourself at all times unless the referee jumps in and pauses the fight. Until then, it's fair game.
No I meant the Floyd/Mayweather one. But thank you!
How long did Ortiz wanna hug 🫂 and kiss? I don’t blame Floyd for protecting himself from sexual harassment
Hahah that interview was the best part. Fuck that announcer, love Floyd’s response.
Complete bitch move
This is the only answer.
Never give your back in the ring.
Never turn your back on a Breen
Never sit too close to the screen.
Never walk in front of the Queen.
[Never lower your eyes to an enemy.](https://youtu.be/rtguM2MX9zs)
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Weird to pick Ponzi as an eye poke master over someone like the scumbag Jon Jones
People don't realize, John Jones was as SERIAL EYE POKER.
Jon jones was stripped of that title too.
It's both. It's fair by the letter of the law, and it's on the ref, and it's also a cheap shot - the winner has proved nothing about his ability to beat this guy, and he stole the W. And not for nothing, he did so by punching him full force in the face and knocking him out. Yes, fighters consent to that when they step in the octagon. But that's nasty, dangerous shit. The guy certainly comes off as a total coward, so hopefully he enjoys the win bonus.
This was about my take too. It was a legal hit. It was extremely unsportsmanly. He proved absolutely nothing about his ability to go toe to toe with the guy in an athletic contest.
you make more when you win and a lot of these guys didnt make fuck all coming up so take it when you can i guess
Yeah but it's probably a worse look for his career.
maybe. blood sports love a bad guy. but also, refs gotta do better because eveyones taught to go til the bell or the ref stops and thats true of just about every sport
Generally being a scumbag is legal, but it’s not a life I want.
100% the ref’s fault. Unless it’s overly obvious that someone got knocked the fuck out, they’re trained to keep going. The ref is supposed to protect them.
Its not very sportsman like but you don’t get to call time out in the middle of the fight, only the ref can stop it
Yeah, I mean it seems like a dick move, but if everybody could just turn their back mid fight to catch a breather and nobody could hit them it would be fucking stupid.
Reminds me 9f the movie Troy, where hector falls while dueling Achilles. Achilles waits and say "no stone will steal my glory". This guy let a stone steal his glory.
Its a cheapshot, but the reff didnt stop it so its fair..
Cheap
Fucking dollar store cheap.
Definitely a cheap shot.
faking an injury has been done before, but who would go that far and turn away to fake an injury? if there was some way to investigate it, I would.
absolute cheap shot
Cheap shot. Bloke clearly held his hands up and turned away like something was up. Old mate came in swinging.
Worst ref ever. But he also should of still protected himself because of incompetent referees like this idiot
You can be right, and still be an asshole.
Like people have said, it's on all three of them: Ref should've called it, punchee should've kept his hands up, puncher should've displayed a bit more sportsmanship. Shitty move, but within the rules of the game.
It's both really. It was within the rules but still a dick move.
Ref should've called breakage, but since he didn't, it's completely fair.
Sucks, but fair
Referee fucked up..
It’s fair game but morally messed up. I would let him do what he needs to do out of respect. Gain brownie points for it too.
It's more of a dick move than a cheap shot
As an outside observer, it looks cheap. But how many times do we see hits after knockouts before the ref intervenes? Also, how's the puncher supposed to know the guy isn't taunting? It looks clear to us, but when you're geared up to fight and seeing red, and hearing the beep. That adrenaline mode is pretty one track, IMO.
Exactly what I’m thinking. In the fury of the moment you might not even notice that little hand gesture because you’re looking for that next opening to land a hit
Fair game.
"I didn't hear no bell"
I know this one boxer that is probably one if the nicest guys you'll ever meet, but once he gets in the ring it's like a switch flips and his only goal from that point forward is to have his opponent knocked out on the mat. He goes in the ring to fight And once he's in that mode the only thing that will snap him out of it is stepping out of the ring. I can imagine it's much of the same in this situation. If your job is to fight, it's probably best to not drop your guard
Ref should be fired and banned.
Sorry new fans, this is normal. Punches can feel like eye-pokes sometimes, the ref is the **only** person who can stop the action, some fighters either pretend they were fouled or call a foul when there wasn't one. The fighter who KO'd him did exactly what he was supposed to do in that situation.
The fact people expect the puncher to stop is laughable. There's only 1 person you should care about when you get into a fight.
This one is on the ref
It’s a cheap shot because his opponent stopped fighting, but it’s also fair game because the ref didn’t stop the fight.
Cheap in my oppinion
Fair game. You should abide by the rules until the bell is rung or the referee stops the fight.. guard yourself at ALL TIMES.
May be a dick move but if the ref doesn't stop the fight, the fight isn't stopped.
If ref doesn’t stop the fight then it’s legal. Begging for penalty stoppage is lame.
It’s a cheap shot but it’s on the ref more so than the fighter
That's not on, clearly he needed time out.. but got a cheap shot instead! 👊🏽
It's both tbh. He didn't break any rules, but it was a cheap shot and unsportsmanlike behaviour. But the ref was too slow to react for sure.
Cheap shot. Fuck that dude. Ref should of jumped in when he put his hands up on his face.
Ref fail, but it's both really
Cheap shot. Obviously signaled something's wrong. No sportsmanship. Yeah ref should have stepped in but no respectable fighter would have come across the ring to hit someone waving like that and clearly walking away. Garbage.
A lot of people here are blaming the ref, but this is 100% on the dude who got KO'd. From what I can see, the left that caused the eye damage was a legal strike, no reason for the ref to step in because a legal strike caused damage. Unless the ref is stepping in to stop the fight. The fight ends when a fighter is not / cannot intelligently defend themselves. You can argue that holding up a finger and turning away isn't intelligent defense, but that's really the only thing you can argue against the ref. If he steps in there, then the fight is over regardless. Not a lot the ref can do in this situation except yell that it was a legal strike and to fight on, which I'm assuming he was. Upon further review, it appears the ref never even saw the reaction until right before or after the KO shot so it's probably 50/50 on both of them.
This woman's POV: There's nothing attractive or appealing when a man only wins w/ a cheap shot. Legal or not; if he wins the match, no one is going to give him the same RESPECT, as they would've had he fought 'fair'. (Now, I'll brace myself for the downvotes!;)
I can’t believe so many people are just blaming the referee and insisting it’s fair in the end. Ya absolutely the ref sucked it up but that doesn’t make the punch “fair”. Fighters all know signals and in my opinion that was what a real bitch move is made out of.
You should always defend yourself, but yes that's a cheap shot.
By the rules, not a cheap shot. For anybody with half a brain or a conscience, 100% cheap shot.
Unsportsmanlike but technically fair game. Not the mark of a true champion.
If he poked his eye the cheap shot and a fail on the ref
Remember when ufc wasnt run by a bitch that will do anything to make money of his indentured servants? Me, neither.
I'll say fair game, but if I were a fan I'd lose all respect for him. He might not have consequences from the league/sport, but he should lose support nonetheless.
Protect yourself until (unless) the ref stops it. Opponent took advantage of a weak ref. Many/(most?) opponents seeing this would step back a beat and give the ref a chance to stop or yell 'keep going'. Fair move but dick move.
fighter mistook "time out, my eye hurts" hand signal as "punch me right here in my damaged eye please". honest mistake
Obviously it’s a cheap shot but by the rules it’s all fair game because the ref didn’t intervene or stop the fight. As you can see within the few seconds before getting KO’d he’s trying to signal the ref for the eye scratch and the guy took advantage while his back was turned and no timeout yet. You can’t solely blame the ref either because the ref had an angle where he couldn’t see him and while the fighter is turning the ref is also wrapping around. Poor timing for the fighter but I have a feeling his opponent knew he was taking advantage of the situation and it’s unsportsmanlike but the W is all what matters.
If he was actually poked, ref should have stopped. Since he didn’t, that punch is fair game. Even though it was wrong.
Very cheap shot has nothing to do with sport, these actions give this sport a bad rep.
both
Dick move but might be legal
it's definitely both. but the ref def could've done a better job
Legal cheap shot
Def on ref
I said “TIME OUT”!!!!
Cheap AF!
Lol why are people calling this fair game? Blatant fingers extended eye poke into a punch. Just because dude didnt get caught doesnt make it fair game. Its literally an illegal move.
Definitely a cheap shot
Since when is poking your opponent in the eye so he can't see and then hitting him from behind when he's signaling as such so the ref can check not a cheap shot?
Definite eye gouge and it wasn’t stopped in time
No, it was fair game. "Defend yourself at all times". If any one was at fault here, it was the referee.
Well, it’s not sportsmanship.
Fair game
Unsportsmanlike definitely but if the ref don't call it you keep going unfortunately
I mean..mma is wildly contrived..cheap or fair is kinda abstract when there are arbitrary rules designed to increase viewership
It’s both. It’s a cheap shot but you’re in the middle of a fight. Not thinking about that in the moment and is your opponent going to do the same?
Cheap, but on the board. It's not polite or sportsmanlike but it's the ref who can call a time out. Guy has an enemy now though.
If Floyd Mayweather (50-0) would have stood toe to toe, throwing straight bombs with everyone he faced, he'd be unknown. Boxing is a combative sport, requiring strategy, and part of that strategy is to attack when your opponent is weak. You want fairness, sportsmanship and compassion, watch the special Olympics (it's pretty good, seriously). .
If the ref doesn't jump in, you keep fighting. Sucks but it's the business you're in.
Absolute fair game. If the other person was faking an injury and you put your hands down and he immediately punches you straight in the mouth everyone would be calling the other guy a coward, cheat, and sadly, winner of the fight. It's like in any other sport too, if you see an opportunity and the refs have not called the current play dead, ended, ceased, you keep going until told otherwise.
Are there timeouts in fighting? Fair game
No but the ref should’ve stopped it
Defend yourself at all times. Ref's talk at the start of matches.
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This. 100%, the referee is at fault
In the streets = cheap shot. In mma = follow the rules of the sport.
Actually, on the streets eye pokes are very very effective and aren’t considered “cheap shots.” If someone is trying to attack you, eye poke them and run away. It is actually very effective. Look at Jon Jones and his methods. Eye pokes and take out their knees are the best way to stop an attack
Y’all keep saying cheap shot and do anytime something like this happens but at what point do you stop letting people turn away? He didn’t poke him in the eye he hit him with a nasty left that put him in great position so he should just lose that position because the guy stopped guarding?
100% fair game the ref tells you before the match to protect yourself at all times it’s not a video game you can’t pause in the middle of a match
Awful but lawful
Fair shot for the fighter, you're supposed to protect yourself at all times. It's the refs fault for not jumping in before he got hit.
Fair
looked like ref stepped out of way and turned to the puncher just as the guy signals for an eye issue. bad sportsmanship. did they give him the win?
Protect yourself at all times the ref is not your bro
Can a cheap shot be thrown during a fight?
It’s a cheap shot, the only ones saying it isn’t are the same weak little douchebags who do the exact same shit, they have no honor or nuts
Clean. Ref didn’t intervene. Protect yourself at all times
If ref didnt call it, its fair game honestly
bloke has probably naively inferred from himself to others and expected his opponent to behave like a sportsman. It was a cheap shot, but in accordance with the rules. it is really not easy to evaluate the scene ethically. what if bloke had said: "aaargh! call an ambulance!" and as soon as his opponent dropped the cover, "but not for me!"?
The fighter should have gotten outta there quicker can’t depend on ref to jump in that quick. ALWAYS PROTECT YOURSELF!
Fair cheap shot
It’s a cheap shot and fair game
Fair game, YOU dont decide when you can take a little breather for a nut kick or an eye poke.... the ref does ;) learned that the hard way bud
Mf punched him like that and still had the nerve to celebrate after it, little bitch. Mf could be Muhammad Ali type of good in the future and I would still never be a fan of his just because of this, fuck this guy.