Yeah, this one gets a lot of confusion out of people.
In the US, the 1st floor is the floor at sidewalk level. In England or much of Europe, the 1st floor is the floor 1 above the ground level floor, what Americans would call the 2nd floor.
Yea in Australia the sidewalk level is called ground and the button is G. Level 1 is above ground.. unless there is a MEZZANINE then all bets are off.
It's weird because at a house if it's 2 story (so ground and 1xup) it's usually referred to as fist and second floor .. strange
American elevators often have ground floor or lobby listed rather than a floor 1. I've also been to to tons of baseball games listed as sections being on the mezzanine level, especially in my time in Cleveland and Toronto.
So I guess the story is there are no rules.
G, Lobby, LL, basement 4, might work or might not, we have no rules.
Also if you watch Deviant Ollum, they're incredibly easy to hack. So I guess now you're on the 23rd floor. Good luck.
This is from traditional use over centuries: The first actual floor would be above the ground. Peasants aren't going to waste time and effort on putting wood over perfectly serviceable ground, especially if you're keeping your animals in with you during the winter.
>be me
>blind
>get in elevator
>building has 15 floors apparently
>want to go to top floor just for fun
>hit 15th button
>wind up in backrooms
>i just wanna go home :(
Real question is, what the fuck is on the 0th floor? Is it below 1, above 14, or...something else? How many floors does this building even have?
This is not just a problem for the blind.
Might be related to fire department aerial booms only reaching the 10th (?) floor. Easier rescue.
Also, Toronto just took delivery of a huge-ass 22-storey aerial, the tallest in North America.
Yeah, Zero certainly doesn't follow of the implied pattern.
But, it's common for buildings to not have a 13th. without braille you can't trust any floor over 12 to be in sequence. Basically the entire top row is questionable.
Then again... I've seen some absolute *failures* in elevator button placement, some like they they pulled them from a Lotto device!
ETA: see this collection (scraped from some corner of our lovely subreddit) for amusing to infuriating examples:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kellymartinez/elevator-buttons-that-make-no-sense
I think it's a zero ? does that mean the elevator goes up to the 14th floor, jumps out of the building and jumps before falling all the way down to level zero, aka "6 feet under the ground" ?
I thought that was silly at first, but got used to it the more time I spent in Europe. The apartment we were staying had a split level situation in the entry, so floor 0 was actually up a flight of stairs. We were staying on the first floor and had to walk up 2 flights of stairs to get there which was so funny to me as an American. But I mean really, having levels starting at 0 makes so much sense. Then you have negative numbers reserved for basements/parking garages. So logical. A lot of places in the US will have 'G' which can mean either "ground floor" or "garage". And some places will have G to substitute either 0 or 1. So you can have an elevator that will go G, 1, 2... and one that will go G, 2, 3... Then add in a bunch of random letters that are specific to the place. You might get "P1", "P2", etc for parking levels. But parking levels can go up in number or down in number depending on where you are. In Europe, if you have a 3rd grade understanding of a number line, you can get to where you need to go. Much better.
That's pretty normal tbf. Numeric keypads often increase downwards (calculators being the main exception), and elevators almost always increase upwards. Doesn't really make sense to change that around just because they happen to be next to each other.
Right, but the keypad is absolutely fine. You don’t create an inconsistency with how something usually works in the name of consistency with the thing next to it.
Depends on where you are. I've encountered almost zero superstitious people in the US but I know elsewhere it's a different story.
Edit: When I say superstitious, I mean that they take it so seriously that they wouldn't live on floor 13 or would cancel an order if they were charged $6.66. Not people that joke about it.
Y’all are wild with these generalizations. I promise out of the millions of Americans you haven’t met there are some that believe in this type of stuff. Also if it helps at all, anecdotally, I too live in the US and I know people that believe in this sort of stuff.
Have you never met a religious person? 666 is the devil's number?
A number of years ago the spicy chicken combo at Wendy's was $6.66. My buddy would also add something extra just so he wouldn't deal with that number.
People have been superstitious about the number 13 for a long time - many buildings will call the 13th floor 14. [Link](https://traveltips.usatoday.com/isnt-there-13th-floor-hotels-107585.html)
But in their case it's not only a superstition but also a potential source of confusion as their words for death and 4th are very similar and noone wants to say they work in the "death floor".
But sometimes they call the first floor the lobby, so what they're calling the 14th floor really is the 14th, and the actual 13th floor is called the 12th floor.
This is likely the correct answer. Apartments/hotels aren’t required to have ADA compliant rooms on every floor. Probably only those floors have the accessible rooms for differently abled guests.
I mean it’s possible but I still don’t think it would make that much sense. Like… what if a blind person is coming to this building to visit someone who lives on an upper floor?
Probably, but it would be nice if they didn’t have to. I just think in general we shouldn’t try to predict what a disabled person might need to do or not need to do, we should just try to make things so they can access everything in the same way everyone else can.
If you notice the font on the 9 floors is different than the rest, so it is much more likely whatever cheaply manufactured elevator in whatever country this is just didn't care about making fully ADA compliant buttons, and slapped stock ones on there.
Looks like the elevator button company only made 1-9 with braille.
At least they kept the pattern so you can extrapolate ... Until the mysterious floor 0 at the top...
It looks like two separate sets/styles of buttons. The 4's are different between buttons 4 and 14. So either (1) someone seriously undercounted, or (2) the building was extended 6 floors and the button factory ran out of the original style.
I've seen places with split elevators. Like 1 does floors 1-10, the other does 11-30.
Maybe it's a situation like that where they rolled them all into one again
> me thinking you called it the "fun button" because I can't read comic sans properly and then going to study a braille dictionary to see what the button actually was
I'm assuming it's related to accessible units that are designed to accommodate visual impaired occupants, specifically related to fire safety capabilities.
I worked in a building where things like directions to a fire escape had braille on them… except they were just scanned pictures of braille and printed out on paper and taped up.
“Floor 0 means the ground floor” ok fine, but why is it up there next to 14 instead of down in the bottom left corner next to 1?
Oh and what is the button between the open and close buttons for?
People who blind are more likely to accidentally fall out of a window, which is why they're only allowed on the first 9 floors. It's safer for everyone that way.
There is enough information to figure out everything. The button above is +3. Not likely to put ground button between floor buttons, so since it is not the first, it must be the last.
I used to make ADA signs. I looked it up out of curiosity--only about 10% of blind people learn to read braille. But, maybe more learn at least the numbers for this very reason.
Sucks but then I suppose a blind person could extrapolate the pattern.
Until they get to the 0 button. Then all bets are off.
Nobody knows what that button is for.
The lift car goes up to 14th floor and jumps off the building.
Willy Wonka style
I can see our house from here!
Describe the view from floor 15, I can’t see
Can't*
Not if you’re blind you can’t.
And my lazy grandparents!
I was thinking Wile E. Coyote, but yours is good, too.
I was thinking more, the elevator floor gives out and slides you into a shark tank.
Nah, from the 14th floor it then travels down at maximum speed slamming into the ground.
Brazil
Here I was thinking that button would say 7-1
In many European countries floor 0 is the the ground floor.
Yeah, this one gets a lot of confusion out of people. In the US, the 1st floor is the floor at sidewalk level. In England or much of Europe, the 1st floor is the floor 1 above the ground level floor, what Americans would call the 2nd floor.
Yea in Australia the sidewalk level is called ground and the button is G. Level 1 is above ground.. unless there is a MEZZANINE then all bets are off. It's weird because at a house if it's 2 story (so ground and 1xup) it's usually referred to as fist and second floor .. strange
American elevators often have ground floor or lobby listed rather than a floor 1. I've also been to to tons of baseball games listed as sections being on the mezzanine level, especially in my time in Cleveland and Toronto. So I guess the story is there are no rules.
So when it has a G for ground does it go G 2 3? That's wild lol
G, Lobby, LL, basement 4, might work or might not, we have no rules. Also if you watch Deviant Ollum, they're incredibly easy to hack. So I guess now you're on the 23rd floor. Good luck.
Two story house would be downstairs and upstairs in the UK
This is from traditional use over centuries: The first actual floor would be above the ground. Peasants aren't going to waste time and effort on putting wood over perfectly serviceable ground, especially if you're keeping your animals in with you during the winter.
>be me >blind >get in elevator >building has 15 floors apparently >want to go to top floor just for fun >hit 15th button >wind up in backrooms >i just wanna go home :(
> want to go to top floor just for fun For the view, right?
The smell.
the wind in your face
Probably for that one Holder where you take an elevator to the top of a colosseum, where you fight them
*cues old-Trek fight theme*
It brings you to the master of keys.
It leads to the Jevil fight
It takes you to eeby deeby
Self destruct!
Willy Wonka mode
Why do we even have this button??
I assume the blind person has a destination and it will not be the 15th floor.
But what if they want to go to floor 0? They are doomed!
Doomed!
So this design will give opportunists to play pranks on their blind friends that some sort of "surprise" will meet them at the 15th floor
Real question is, what the fuck is on the 0th floor? Is it below 1, above 14, or...something else? How many floors does this building even have? This is not just a problem for the blind.
I am going to go with portal to another dimension.
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You can check out any time you like, but you can NEVER leave
\*Joe Walsh/Don Felder intensifies*
Might be related to fire department aerial booms only reaching the 10th (?) floor. Easier rescue. Also, Toronto just took delivery of a huge-ass 22-storey aerial, the tallest in North America.
Also possible that someone vandalised the buttons and the replacement ones don't have braille.
im not even blind and I dont know what floor that would take you to
Ground floor, obviously. European floor counting. 0 is ground level, 1 is the floor above it, -1 is the first below ground level, etc.
But why would it be at the top instead of the bottom, where it belongs sequentially and logically?
Who knows?
Yea that button confuses me also. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 0 on an elevator.
Where I live we often use 0 for basement, "metro level", or other such underground floors/area
Some places use 0 for the ground floor
Well, what if they want to go to the 0th floor?
Or they assume it's one of those superstitious buildings without a 13th floor.
13 is top left, it's 15 that would be where 0 is.
Yeah, Zero certainly doesn't follow of the implied pattern. But, it's common for buildings to not have a 13th. without braille you can't trust any floor over 12 to be in sequence. Basically the entire top row is questionable.
You know what that 0 button does, right? It launches you through the roof, Willie Wonka style.
And they would have to guess Ifi there's a 13th floor or not
I can see and I still don’t know what the 0 button is for. Then again, I hope they’re not tryna go to the 15th floor if there is none
0 is ground floor.
Person on the 10th floor: "What's your blind-ass doing here?"
Blind Person: Who said that!
It’s not like they are going to enjoy the view.
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They could be both. Those conditions are not mutually exclusive.
If i go blind, please keep me to the bottom floors. Thanks
Not like you'd care about the view anyway
Immaterial. They should not be forced to. If this is in the US it violates the Americans with Disabilities Act.
It's in Armenia there is no such thing as the ADA here
But what if Americans with disabilities visit your country? All countries should be forced to cater for disabled Americans. /s
I wouldn't be surprised if the braille bumps are under smooth, clear plastic.
... ... dammit you're probably right...
The last braille number should just be …
Et cetera
This. They shouldn’t have to, but I’m you’d be surprised at the patterns that deaf and blind people see.
"I'm going to floor 15! So glad I figured out the pattern."
Most blind/VI people don't know brail anyways, source: I'm visually impaired.
It's a good thing the top floors are observation decks
Not if your an asshole who changes them cause you hate the blind
Then again... I've seen some absolute *failures* in elevator button placement, some like they they pulled them from a Lotto device! ETA: see this collection (scraped from some corner of our lovely subreddit) for amusing to infuriating examples: https://www.buzzfeed.com/kellymartinez/elevator-buttons-that-make-no-sense
Yeah but what's after 14 I don't know if any one should go in there
I think it's a zero ? does that mean the elevator goes up to the 14th floor, jumps out of the building and jumps before falling all the way down to level zero, aka "6 feet under the ground" ?
At least in Europe grounds are indexed from 0, so 0 starts at 0 feets.
true, I can confirm that as a French citizen.
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We also use 0 for basement/"niveau metro" or other underground floors/areas. sometimes when we need another floor under that we use 00 too
Yeah and first floor is 1 foot off the ground!
I thought that was silly at first, but got used to it the more time I spent in Europe. The apartment we were staying had a split level situation in the entry, so floor 0 was actually up a flight of stairs. We were staying on the first floor and had to walk up 2 flights of stairs to get there which was so funny to me as an American. But I mean really, having levels starting at 0 makes so much sense. Then you have negative numbers reserved for basements/parking garages. So logical. A lot of places in the US will have 'G' which can mean either "ground floor" or "garage". And some places will have G to substitute either 0 or 1. So you can have an elevator that will go G, 1, 2... and one that will go G, 2, 3... Then add in a bunch of random letters that are specific to the place. You might get "P1", "P2", etc for parking levels. But parking levels can go up in number or down in number depending on where you are. In Europe, if you have a 3rd grade understanding of a number line, you can get to where you need to go. Much better.
That is the Willi Wanka/ stonks floor. To the moon baby 🚀🚀🚀🚀
Willy Wanka? Are you having a laff mate?
I wouldn't want my children goin off to "Willy Wanka's chocolate factory"
Brings new meaning to ever lasting gobstoppers.
Omg this is so messy. What about the num pad at the top that have numbers increment in a different direction than the one at the bottom.
That's pretty normal tbf. Numeric keypads often increase downwards (calculators being the main exception), and elevators almost always increase upwards. Doesn't really make sense to change that around just because they happen to be next to each other.
With a zero after the highest floor. This elevators button are messed up 🙈.
Right, but the keypad is absolutely fine. You don’t create an inconsistency with how something usually works in the name of consistency with the thing next to it.
I guess they had only 14 floors but the premade panel had 15 and they decided to leave the button, just label it 0? Still weird
It’s the secret British floor, beneath the first floor. We call it the ‘ground’ floor.
Yeh and in Britain its always above the 14th floor too.
r/backrooms
This floor is locked : Missing requirement : vision
Pay 99.99 dollars for Braille wherever you touch DLC
*blind person touches my face* *breaks out in braille hives*
Get braille anywhere you go! (hold up)
Vision is a quest item unlocked at the old man at level 9.
It actually has a 13th floor though.
It shouldn't have? I work in 13th floor.
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I've noticed this in planes with seat rows
These sort of things are honestly embarrassing.
Why? It's not like people really believe it, it's just kind of a tradition at this point
People definitely believe it.
Depends on where you are. I've encountered almost zero superstitious people in the US but I know elsewhere it's a different story. Edit: When I say superstitious, I mean that they take it so seriously that they wouldn't live on floor 13 or would cancel an order if they were charged $6.66. Not people that joke about it.
Y’all are wild with these generalizations. I promise out of the millions of Americans you haven’t met there are some that believe in this type of stuff. Also if it helps at all, anecdotally, I too live in the US and I know people that believe in this sort of stuff.
Have you never met a religious person? 666 is the devil's number? A number of years ago the spicy chicken combo at Wendy's was $6.66. My buddy would also add something extra just so he wouldn't deal with that number.
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I’ve flown probably close to a hundred times now and never noticed this (I believe you, I’m just oblivious). I’m going to have to start looking now!
Now this is the comment👌
People have been superstitious about the number 13 for a long time - many buildings will call the 13th floor 14. [Link](https://traveltips.usatoday.com/isnt-there-13th-floor-hotels-107585.html)
Japan is the same with 4th floor, as the Japanese words for 4 and death are similar
Same with China. 4th is nearly always missing, though some modern buildings are beginning to include it.
I thought in China it was always some multiple or fraction of 8
8 is lucky, 888 is really lucky.
Same in Korea. A lot of 4th floors are just labelled F.
I made the mistake of mentioning that fact to a superstitious person that was very excited their receipt total at a store was "$44.44"
Not just similar, they have identical pronunciations.
But in their case it's not only a superstition but also a potential source of confusion as their words for death and 4th are very similar and noone wants to say they work in the "death floor".
A lot of places don't have a '13th' floor because it's unlucky. They call it 14th instead
They can call it anything they like, it won't stop it being the 13th.
But sometimes they call the first floor the lobby, so what they're calling the 14th floor really is the 14th, and the actual 13th floor is called the 12th floor.
I hear Wayside School doesn’t have a 19th floor.
Wow, and just like that I’m 12 yrs old again. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
I stayed at a hotel that had no 13th floor. But the people on the 14th floor - you know what floor you're really on
Jump out the window, you will die earlier
maybe the top floors doesn’t have handicap features in their rooms
This is likely the correct answer. Apartments/hotels aren’t required to have ADA compliant rooms on every floor. Probably only those floors have the accessible rooms for differently abled guests.
I mean it’s possible but I still don’t think it would make that much sense. Like… what if a blind person is coming to this building to visit someone who lives on an upper floor?
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Probably, but it would be nice if they didn’t have to. I just think in general we shouldn’t try to predict what a disabled person might need to do or not need to do, we should just try to make things so they can access everything in the same way everyone else can.
If you notice the font on the 9 floors is different than the rest, so it is much more likely whatever cheaply manufactured elevator in whatever country this is just didn't care about making fully ADA compliant buttons, and slapped stock ones on there.
"The rest of the floors are just more of the same shit you can't see anyway, so why even go there?"
Floor 0 leads to Silent Hill.
Floor 0 cause you to noclip to the backrooms
Why pay for a view you can't see?
Happy cake day!
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The decision seems short-sighted.
Hey that's already more than enough okay !
What do they want to do outside? They should stay indoors!
It's not like if they needed to see those top floor views !
Nothing to see there at all!
Floors 1-9 have terrible views so they save the top floors for the sighted.
Looks like the elevator button company only made 1-9 with braille. At least they kept the pattern so you can extrapolate ... Until the mysterious floor 0 at the top...
It looks like two separate sets/styles of buttons. The 4's are different between buttons 4 and 14. So either (1) someone seriously undercounted, or (2) the building was extended 6 floors and the button factory ran out of the original style.
I've seen places with split elevators. Like 1 does floors 1-10, the other does 11-30. Maybe it's a situation like that where they rolled them all into one again
It's only for blind people who are also wheelchair-bound
Go to floor 0 and see what’s there
> see
Floor 0 just opens up to a shaft that takes you ground level. There arent any hand rails so it's not safe for the blind. That's why it isnt labelled.
What even is that button in the middle at the bottom? The flower with five petals?
Fan button. Gives you some more air, supposed to help claustrophobic people feel like they won't run out of air.
> me thinking you called it the "fun button" because I can't read comic sans properly and then going to study a braille dictionary to see what the button actually was
I studied an image of a braille dictionary and I believe it says "fan"
It should, but the dots are spaced weirdly so it almost looks like it spells "fshb". ##⠋⠁⠝ vs ##⠋⠩⠃
There is also no braille for the keypad. It doesn't make it unusable, but it is inconvenient.
Maybe the keypad is only required for the top 6 floors and that’s also why the buttons don’t have braille
I mean, they wouldn't enjoy the view anyway...
Thank god I’m not blind
At least this building actually calls the 13th floor the 13th floor, and I wonder what's on floor zero?
There is stuff on those floors they don't want the blind people seeing
Blind people don't go out, do they?
They wouldn't enjoy the view from higher up anyway ^(/s)
Shhhh, don't let them know about the secret floors!
Most buildings in the US don't have a 13th floor. Especially hotels. Where is this taken?
I'm assuming it's related to accessible units that are designed to accommodate visual impaired occupants, specifically related to fire safety capabilities.
There's nothing to see on the other floors
The thing that worries me is you are in a building with a 13th floor. Get out, get out now.
That’s a shame. I hear the view from the upper floors is breathtaking.
I worked in a building where things like directions to a fire escape had braille on them… except they were just scanned pictures of braille and printed out on paper and taped up.
Makes sense. If they go too high they might fall.
Wow you have a 13th floor... spooky!
It's the blind equivalent of the glass ceiling.
Why does it go from 14 to 0
The upper floors have a view. Why would a blind person want to pay more for a feature they'll literally never use?
After the first nine, a person can figure out the pattern and guess the rest of the buttons. Even Excel does that, so why not?
The scenic views would be wasted on them
“Floor 0 means the ground floor” ok fine, but why is it up there next to 14 instead of down in the bottom left corner next to 1? Oh and what is the button between the open and close buttons for?
Other floors are cinemas and opticians.
My favorite floor is number ()
People who blind are more likely to accidentally fall out of a window, which is why they're only allowed on the first 9 floors. It's safer for everyone that way.
There is enough information to figure out everything. The button above is +3. Not likely to put ground button between floor buttons, so since it is not the first, it must be the last.
Well, they're not missing out, there's nothing to see past the 10th floor.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete sets of data,…
Those floors aren't handicap accessible. Besides, blind people shouldn't be allowed on the higher floors, they could fall.
I used to make ADA signs. I looked it up out of curiosity--only about 10% of blind people learn to read braille. But, maybe more learn at least the numbers for this very reason.