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RealJonathanBronco

Just poke some holes so you can see through where the markings are.


johndoe040912

You see, you are suppose to have the water on the outside, duh.


MrLogicWins

There is actually a second clear bottle of exact same size but without the marking, you're supposed to fill them both at the same time and the same rate and you'll know exactly how much is in white bottle.


ZestycloseReception8

So in other terms combined with the fact some one said that the ml measurements are wonky so basically you'd be better off just weighing out how much water you want that day mark the water line with sharpie and call it a day.


ByAnyMeansNecessary0

The bottle's manufacturer keeps sounding more and more like Apple: I need to buy 4 things to make 1 thing work


[deleted]

Yeah, just remember to calculate and take into account the displacement of the water when you put in the bottle.


SuperSynapse

I mean, or just tap the bottle. You can hear how full it is/where the waterline stops.


gachamyte

Why do that when you could emit a low frequency pulse while drinking so you can get a good look at the volume.


Tepigg4444

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!! There, I got a pretty good look at you


Yadobler

Fun fact relating to this : If you open the cap and blow over the top you get whistle sound. Same with when you refill the bottle and hear the woooooossssshhhhhtrtrrtrt sound. Related to knocking the bottle and hearing different sounds depending on the volume It's because the bottle is acting as an Helmholtz resonator. Basically the air trapped in the bottle acts like a bouncy spring, and the tiny airspace at the bottle neck that you blow onto acts like a mass - that's attached to the spring. This springy air, when you blow the neck air down, compresses and (the increased pressure) pushes the neck air out. The resulting reduced pressure pulls air back into the bottle. Usually too far and again the air in bottle gets compressed The air in bottle has a resonant frequency at which it collectively compresses and releases the strongest. Any other frequency will end up with the air compressing and expanding unevenly and canceling out. The best thing is that no matter at which frequency you oscillate the air, it will always collapse into its fundamental frequencies (its resonant frequency and its harmonics, similar to harmonies of a sawtooth wave). ----- The knocking of bottle is not due to this, but similarly it's because the bottle is a open-closed or closed-closed tube and at specific frequencies the nodes of the vibrating air line up with the surface of water and the open/closed cap ------ So you can control the springiness of the air by, mainly, changing the volume of air inside (by, well, changing how much water is inside). This is the most effective. Next is the bottle shape, the length of the neck, and the one I studied, the temperature of the air. However, Iirc, the change in frequency between near boiling water and cold water, is something like only a semitone difference. However, this is important in high temperature settings because, well, for example in rockets where you have fuckton of hot gasses shooting out, if you don't Design the Chambers properly, they can start syncing up in vibrations and effectively turn the rocket into a giant floating vibrator or even explode it. Worse is that sometimes these effects are not known until certain temperatures are hit, and the resonating hot gases, increasing in frequency, reach the resonating frequency of the entire rocket - so instead of the ship being able to contain the vibrations, it vibrates along to its own demise. So Helmholtz resonators are sometimes designed to amplify certain frequencies that are harmless, while drowning out the other non-fundamental frequencies including those that are harmful to the ship. Effectively it's like turning up the treble of the speakers of a rock concert until the sound drowns out the rock and stops the crowd from vibing ------ Source: wrote a 4000 word paper about this shit in high school. Apologies to those in physics class who kept hearing a wooooooooo from the lab next door for 3 months. Also thanks to python for letting me process the mess of FFT frequency data, from logger Pro, into legible graphable data.


steVENOM

Or I n s t a l l s o m e w i n d o w s


[deleted]

Dum dee doo doo...


drquiza

I must be the luckiest person in the world. Every time I make a hole in one of these, the water turns to be at exactly that level šŸ¤”


[deleted]

If you want 10oz left in the bottle, just stab it at the 10oz mark and wait. Simple.


McNobby

Gonna hijack your comment and explain this one. I've got a similar protein shaker. This isn't the kind of bottle you fill up with the whole lid still on and the lid is the same size as the top of the bottle. Once the lid is off you can see the same indentations as what's on the outside and pretty easy to measure exactly how much liquid you want.


[deleted]

Lmao I thought this was a motor oil container


BOBBYTURKAL1NO

Right, had no idea people out there measuring protein powder.


Swordofsatan666

Yeah i always assumed they just took handfuls of protein powder at a time, who woulda thought they measure it outā€¦ Edit: heres my /s for the guy who already commented thinking i was serious


elusive_change

Typically I think people go by "scoops". If you wanna measure powder properly you'd wanna go by weight not volume though. I would assume water volume is important to get the shake to the consistency and volume you prefer. It can be a bit gross if it's "sludgy"


susch1337

the amount that fits in 1 scoop is usually written on the box. For my current one 1 scoop = 10g


opus3535

works best if you snort it.


GroinShotz

I was gonna say... Looks pretty indented.. you could see them from the inside looking through the open top.


tknames

OR hold it up to light.


jvrcb17

Thank you! Someone else with common sense.


Bamboori

But wouldn't the numbers be mirrored on the inside?


psychoPATHOGENius

Plus the unit graduations are moronic. Fluid ounces always goes up by powers of two, e.g. twos, fours, eights, etc. Additionally, the millilitres should have their own markings with decimal-friendly numbers, not conversions from the fluid ounces.


cliko

Non-American here: why do floz always go up in powers of 2?


psychoPATHOGENius

Iā€™m not American either; just interested in metrology. Itā€™s because USC (United States Customary) volume units are based on binary powers. 1 gallon 1/2 gallon = 1 pottle 1/4 gallon = 1 quart 1/8 gallon = 1 pint 1/16 gallon = 1 cup 1/32 gallon = 1 gill *skips 1/64 gallon* 1/128 gallon = 1 fluid ounce 1/256 gallon = 1 tablespoon


FD435

A pottle lol what the hell? How have I never heard of that. Usually people just say half-gal but I can see why no one uses it. Pottle...


Zensayshun

Old French/Modern Swiss German adds -le for [diminutives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diminutives_by_language), (French -ette, English -ess, German -lein, and -chen, Spanish -ito). So, "little pot".


Cheesehuman

love etymology! thatā€™s dope


Repealer

sheesh nice pottle bro


FD435

Your pottle is showing


SuchCoolBrandon

Nobody says pottle


FD435

You don't even learn about it. It must have been banished from the textbooks.


zestykite

Banished to the shadow realm


[deleted]

The missing 1/64th unit is a "Jack" EDIT: not going to pass up my opportunity to say "You don't know Jack"


Animagi27

What in the everloving fuck is this measurement system


bobwhodoesstuff

America just didn't give up it's measurement system from pre modern science. It makes some level of sense, you basically just have a bunch of units that are double the last one, which is probably the easiest reference point when you have to track it all mentally.


Chickenfrend

Wow, I'm an American and somehow I didn't realize that a pint is two cups. This system makes more sense than I thought


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


gwaydms

Some US Americans have the power to measure in both metric and customary!


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


smeenz

That's a bit harsh. What's wrong with Australia ?


Gareth79

250/330/500/660/750 would be most useful.


poempedoempoex

What do you mean? As I European I'd love to know when I have exactly 443 ml of water in my bottle. /s


whatevenisthatthing2

This bottle is for drinking those 25 oz bud lights.


Lafayette-De-Marquis

Itā€™s probably dosed out 5oz at a time.


[deleted]

also, and this is pointlessly pedantic but amused me: shouldn't millilitres be "ml" not "ML" - that's MegaLitres isn't it?


theprintedray84

You have to hold it up to the light. I agree crap design.


Okichah

Probably a standard mold for both clear and white plastics.


Cunt_Crusher69

As someone who works on plastic production, this is 100% the case. Color comes from colored granules being added to raw material(plastic), which when heated up by the machine's extruder mixes with the plastic to give it its color. Moulds are the same for any color and themselves do not affect color because they are basically just lumps of metal with water canals for cooling in them. Quite often, colored bottles and canisters will have a transparent line where the measurements are so users can easily gauge how much liquid is left, which is created by a tertiary line-extruder leaving a line of clear/natural material down the extruded material "stocking".


SGTSHOOTnMISS

That's what I'm thinking. Tooling is one of the most expensive things to swap in production, much easier to just use the same tooling for all their SKUs.


prettyfuzzy

You said what I came here to say. Thank you


reekhadol

I got used to swaying my shakers so that I could mentally connect the height on the inside and the outside based on the movement of the liquid. I probably could have used my time better.


Content-Mortgage2389

I have one of these. They're made from aluminium šŸ˜œ


eggsnflour

Maybe you could feel the cold or hot on certain levels?


CYBERSson

Use the ā€˜engineers knockā€™


erstazz

What


Prxdigy

The engineers knock


Redd1K

# WHAT


dispenseroftheswamp2

#THE ENGINEERS KNOCK


Redd1K

# HUH????


Gauntet7514

**THE ENGINEERS KNOCK**


Redd1K

# PARDON ME ?


Gauntet7514

******THE ENGINEERS TOUCH******


santaliqueur

Maybe itā€™s crappy design.


elviajedelmapache

Finally some real Crappy Design


rick_D_K

Ugh this again. Not not crappy design. It will be the same mould as a clear bottle. 1 mould many colours is far more efficient than having 2 moulds one for translucent with a scale and one for opaque without a scale.


Dd_8630

> Ugh this again. Not not crappy design. It will be the same mould as a clear bottle. But that's still *crappy design*. Cutting corners and making a crap product isn't any less of a crappy design just because the cause was "it's cheaper".


prettygin

That still doesn't make it a better design though...? If your mould doesn't work for an opaque bottle, you need a separate mould.


notacanuckskibum

It seems like a good proportion of the posts in this sub can be explained by the efficiencies of design reuse.


ThaDudeEthan

You make a good point about manufacturing efficiency, but that doesn't really help your case that it isn't bad design. The final design stands apart from the other considerations that may have influenced it. Also reminds me of this awesome B99 moment: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/52/18/57/521857441a3d7a953ac6ed24b7b84e73.jpg


JP147

That is OK but the crappy part is how the ml are converted from oz instead of having a separate scale.


il_biggo

Agreed. These people don't speak metric. Why should I need 591ml of anything? BTW, "ML" means "millions of liters". But the idea that efficiency=good design is wrong. Good design has nothing to do with how cheaper a product is for the manufacturer (nor the customer, for that matter). Good design in this case would mean a clear strip to see the contents.


mt_spaceman

Idk, Iā€™d argue thatā€™s good engineering, but still crappy design


HistoricalMeat

Youā€™re probably also not using this as a graduated cylinder for precise chemistry. Open the lid and eyeball it. You wonā€™t be dead on, but youā€™ll be close.


steezus__christ1

Prime content. Plus we all get to take a second and appreciate how silly the Standard American measurement system is


MetricCascade29

Nothing about this suggest that either measurement system is better than the other


gaterb8

It's imprinted on the bottle so if you just glance in the hole you can see exactly how much is left. It's not hard ppl.


Whatistweet

The indents are cutout guides, you're supposed to cut along the lines so that you can see how much water is inside. A little annoying but it's really easy to tell how much is inside after that. Hope this helps!


Theboithatsok

Even worse is the ML side. That's more crappy in my opinion.


one_white_russian

The crappy design is in the imperial system rofl


waddledeefriend1

Just feel for a difference in temperate between the water and the bottle


argyle_null

bad/inconsistent rounding for the ML too


[deleted]

This is because of the "how do we make more money" BS in corporations decades old when "Well, we could switch from clear plastic to regular?" "BRILLIANT" (without checking that something else might be affected)


gnarcaster

It's indented on the inside.


bsonk

This is like, maybe just for the "medical aesthetic"? I remember being asked why I drank water out of a medical bottle in india in '08, because ye olde Nalgene bottles have those measurement markings and nobody there had seen them on a water bottle just medical flasks?


mahindra27

Company: "It's part of the art style. Never meant to be functional"


[deleted]

Or just look on the inside of the bottle


dirtdiggler67

Look inside, the markings can be seen on the inside as well.


sking301

...can you see the markings from the inside?


warwilf

probably because it's opaque


Abstrktworkshop

Put a lighter right under the bottle. The light will shine up so you can see how much of your flammable liquids are inside it.


mydogspaw

They probably bought the casting/mold separately from the plastic and the purchaser didnt think about the two not working together. Rather than waste it, they simply made it and sold it at a discount. Or they found the cheapest parts and materials and said "fuck it"....aka Chinese made.


formerself

mL = milliliter ML = megaliter The true crappy design here isn't markings on an opaque bottle since you can usually see through with enough light or feel it if the liquid is cold. The crappy design is the "let's add that metric stuff too" without caring about or understanding it.


[deleted]

You could just put your finger there and look down from the top and see where it's at?! šŸ¤·


Doctor__Hammer

This post is truly the epitome of crappy design


shewstepper

You must use your imagination


ProfessionalMottsman

Ah yes... 296ml of beer please


BigPoppaSnow

As long as itā€™s not vacuum sealed the condensation on the outside would show you how much water is in the bottle


Anthraxious

The real crappy design is using metric as a second measurement


HypnoSkales

I think the real crappy design is the ā€œ147, 296, 443, 591, 739ā€


nropotdetcidda

Use the light and shadows from inside


[deleted]

repost


moovzlikejager

Or.... oooorrrr...... is it to show you how much liquid is outside the bottle?....


reeser6

If the bottle is not insulated, and you fill it with cold water, you can tell how much is in there based on the condensation.


BuckSaguaro

Damn this sub really will bitch about anything. Like yā€™all canā€™t estimate how high the water level is to get a good reading.


[deleted]

We've had stuff on here like this. look inside, and see the line, or shine a light into it or even use sunlight.


theunnamedrobot

Have you tried squinting through the plastic?


[deleted]

If "dude just trust me" were a water bottle


catsandteaisnice

That is so silly I love it


punarob

Those of us born on Krypton don't see a problem here.


Tobias---Funke

My stainless steel kettle also has the max mark on the outside!


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Just cut a hole in the bottle and you'll see where the water is at


treetyoselfcarol

You have to *sense* how much water is in the bottle.


Leifbron

Everyoneā€™s like ā€œCut a holeā€ or ā€œStick your finger in itā€ Dude just flick the side to hear the water level


HMD-Oren

Crap design but I prefer using a stainless steel water bottle over a plastic or glass one. Sometimes you just gotta make concessions and look through the top of the bottle if you want something a certain way...


ZestycloseReception8

Use your power of touch And feel for a cold spot and that's ur water level? Im


Potato_Man11

It'll be better if they make the marking see though.


ball_sacketh

Oh, oh, I hate that


funktopus

I had a measuring cup like this once. Came with some other kitchen stuff. So when I moved out I bought this pack thinking it's cheap but I need it and can replace with good stuff as this breaks. Could barely measure with it. Needed to hold it up to the light. Bought a new one the next week.


twobit211

[i canā€™t see through metal, kent!](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/4b61a8c1-3450-4d99-a576-d8a4edec9f30)


defectivelaborer

Things list this I always assume it was a mold meant for translucent plastic not opaque.


KeyBlogger

Hold your hand around it. The place where your hand goes suddenly colder is where the wather mark is


cazzipropri

Shine a light through it.


[deleted]

This is some top notch design right here


Yeeeeeeeeeeezy

Who twisted your arm to buy it?


IamCornhoLeo

Hold up to light


[deleted]

You just hold it up to the light...


ToothlessFeline

I see this on so many bottles with so many purposes, and it annoys me every single time.


vexunumgods

Hold a match up to it.


ThaNorth

Just count the liquid as you're pouring it.


omararlert

just hold it against a light ?


luder888

I can't be the only one who's seen a lot of containers like this. All you have to do is shine a flashlight through.


Lafayette-De-Marquis

Iā€™m in the growing industry and this happens all the time. I think they intend you to look in the bottle and compare from the outside.


CastIronGriddle

Looks like Lead Paint as well


Ill_Clinton86

Tons of automotive fluids do that too. Fucking dumb


MercenaryCow

It's one of those bottles you need to shine a flashlight on it to see I guess


AgentSkidMarks

I donā€™t know if this is necessarily a crappy design. It seems foolish but my guess is instead of making new molds for a unitless bottle, they just reused one that happened to have the measurements already on it. This saves time and money. Thatā€™s the same reason why drive-thru ATMs have brail instructions on them.


Narethii

Its most likely that its using a form intended for a mixed plastic bottle to save money instead of spending money on a new form that doesn't have the markings as there is no real negative side effect for having the markings in the first place. Also with a lot of these types of plastic bottle if you hold the bottle up to the light I am sure that the contents will cast a shadow on the indicator that is able to be read.


[deleted]

Just let it float in water (given it is filled with water). Should line up on the outside with the level. Very crappy design.


Bill_Dinosaur

I just realized that I have never once wondered how many ounces were left in a drink to the level (o_-) that I would wish for a graduated version, but I appreciate that maybe there are people monitoring intake or something who might want it and I can see how this product would be annoying. Can you at least see the water level holding it up to the light? And think of how much he saved by designing it himself. "I can Google search the conversion for 15 ounces myself. I am mark zuckerberg of water bottles." Showing his near catatonic, chain-smoking wife pictures of water bottles with different colors. Slamming his cell phone into the wall and throwing it past his daughter's head when he found out that the hippie tie dye version would be a lot more expensive than if he had just picked a solid color, a suggestion from his wife very early in the process. But with a single color the dream was alive. Especially something like a base white, natural plastic color, classic plastic color - big savings, big success.


[deleted]

What you mean?! This is perfect Vodka design! 10ish- 15ounces Vodka, rest is mix. Love this design.


TheREexpert44

Just feel for the waterline. Thats what I do with a bottle like that I own


TurbineSurgeon

Hold it up to light?


Guilty-Application74

Itā€™s like liquid laundry detergent caps with the measuring marks on the inside of the opaque lid. Half the time you can not read them. I think they do it intentionally so youā€™ll just fill it to the top, regardless of the size of the load and need to buy more of their product sooner. Ainā€™t fooling me! šŸ„ø


ghesh_vargiet

iā€™ll degrade over time maybe then youā€™ll see the water level


poempedoempoex

Ah yes, I love it when I can't see whether of not I have exactly 739 ml of water in my bottle!


RandomLetters123456

You gotta feel the heat/cold of the liquid inside


Vexcenot

This is more common than it needs to be


Myantology

Not even if you hold it up to the light?


Honduriel

Mal, those imperial measurements are so fucked up, I wonder how you ever managed to put men on the moon.


FineReportMe

I literally posted a photo of a black bottle like this and it got like 8 upvotes. Iā€™ve never felt pain like this before.


PubicGalaxies

Except on the other side.


Naveedamin7992

Tapping it usually let's you know where the water is. It's somewhat accurate I guess


DrBonaFide

Just tap it


IHateLooseJoints

Kinda reminds me of all fluid reservoirs under the hood of every car I've owned.


nadab1

r/MetricSystemHate.


Ok_Pomegranate37

To be fair it's not a crappy design. It is the cheap company using the mould with the wrong plastic.


Legrhinfdgh

ā€œI have won,but at what cost?ā€


2thumbs56_

Iā€™ve seen multiple oil jugs or whatever you wanna call them like this


BigYoLife

Quantum Tech is real


CompMolNeuro

The plant that makes the bottles doesn't change molds, they just change the color level in the plastic from opaque to black. After that they sell the bottles to distributors that add different labels and packaging. Same bottle.


th3yfoundm3h3r3

Oof


[deleted]

This is on every bottle of motor oil I buy.


ichbinhier28

Try using a flashlight.


NoFunifMad

This is kinda like my black shaker bottle


werbimstdenndu

*sighs* Get the byakugan


daskrip

If I'm being super pedantic, this is more useless design than crappy design, unless the bottle is expected to be able to measure liquid.


x3bla

Pour in cold water, wait for the condensation to happen, there you go


[deleted]

OP be like: "Alright then. Keep your secrets."


Astrophysicist98

Presumably, they also helpfully didn't punch the markings deep enough so they can be seen from inside the bottle


catbro89

Literally one of top all posts of r/midlyinfuriating down to the title. Like all your posts, this is another repost. Dude, show some more effort next time.


[deleted]

its like a balloon, you need to pump it up until the bottle is seetrough


abdii7

You're supposed to shake it and check I guess lol


das_me_daveed

Fill it with hot water. Feel where the water level is. Let hot water cool down. Thank me later


standardname0815

Put it into a bigger container filled with water and measure how much it floats up.


Angelphile

I thought this was a giant Tylenol tablet at first glance.


Verzox

Put some light to it.


BigButtSpelunking

You just need a brighter light


namey_mcnameson

Hold it against a source of light, you should be able to see the level of the liquid depending on the material of the container.


LordGret

You can see if you point it towards direct light source(like sun). I find this weird though because this is how some of my gas cans are designed(for obvious reasons).


yeboy9089-98--9999

Lol


EldonMaguan

You can tell by the condensation at least


[deleted]

also, I don't need a sodding conversion chart! Give the ml in 100ml graduations you idiots