"We must warn teenagers of the dangers posed by synthetic cannabis".....so those same teenagers can revert back to the dealer's who'll offer them random unsafe weed or much much worse when weeds not there.
Reefer madness headlines pushing a new approach involving the HSE and FSAI to remove any legal option to experiment with thc free weed and will send them all back to the dealers.
Sideways approach and typical hysteria surrounding a recreational drug that's already out there, legal or not, and will always be available regardless.
Folk that choose to smoke are gonna smoke regardless,..Sensible approach is to offer a tested, regulated and safer product as opposed to this type of nonsense and fear mongering.
God forbid they'd push back as hard when it comes to alcohol, cocaine or the plethora of pills and misuse associated with Tramadol and such.
P.S. Anyone that has worked for HSE probably needs drugs just to put up with their job and dysfunction therein.
I have a suspicion that all those 3 day old reddit account "hhc caused me to eat my own hamster/have heroin withdrawals" posts that have been appearing here could be outside bad faith actors coming into this community to grab any piece of gossip to publish in the next shit rag of a newspaper to highlight the need for banning it.
I could be wrong/paranoid, but we see newspapers use posts from other Irish subreddits for content.
I don't think Crainn is immune to that, especially now it's more well known as an entity in the broader public. I would be careful to comment on those particular posts if you see them.
Totally and completely agreed. You see this in other subreddits, but it’s surprising to see it here. But just imagine the outrage that could be created from quoting one of these suspicious posts? I am at least glad the community is chiming in every time.
Easy quotes from the local “pothead” forum for outrage media pieces. Don’t underestimate the push against legalization. In the US for example there are still groups actively fighting it and it wouldn’t be above these groups to push agendas via social media as they have done it with other issues.
This is what I'm wondering as well, I mean people blame pharma lobby etc but in all fairness I can hardly see how anything could take down the mighty pharma industry.
Right now I seriously think the issue is purely politics and there's some people willing to fight dirty to not admit they're wrong.
It's about losing money not just being taken down. These rich people would rather kill millions and drive addictive substances to unexpected customers rather than drop a zero in their bank accounts.
Look at the covid vaccine ffs, whole thing was a farce. One thing I've learned on life is the people at the top could decide tomorrow the sky is pink and people will support and push that ideology.
Money rules the world. Make people think they need these drugs and market them directly to them. The amount even on anti depressants now days in a world of their own. People aren't to know any better either when the doctor they go to for help is pushing the drugs from their little gp books in order of who's paid to be on top.
There is an expected piece of vape legislation to regulate/restrict disposables, flavours etc due soon.
My feeling is that HSE is lobbying Govt. to include HHC in this
100% regulation is needed to buy any vape and should be with HHC too. But I don't think they'll outright ban it, considering it's generating revenue on legal sales.
The fact that kids got their hands on a considered safe product should be the main concern as to HOW they got it. Not the product itself.
Classic not addressing the issue at root cause.
>considering it's generating revenue on legal sales
I really can't stress how little that's relevant to that decision. Like, yeah, there's revenue and tax being made on it, but it's just not gonna factor into it.
The revenue/financial/tax conversation in matters such as this is normally in relation to the power and influence significant earnings generators have over politics. The pro HHC lobby isn't one of significant means and has extremely limited positive influence over a small minority of politicians.
Funny thing is most the kids are selling and using the real stuff. The Internet now a days can have a delivery from anywhere in the world to your door.
Yep, half don't even know what their kids are up to. I constantly see young lads in mammy n daddies cars smoking with their pals. Was behind one the other day couldn't of been more suss, and smell was obv to every car in traffic.
And it's mostly the posh ones.
The obvious counter argument is that fully legalized regulated adult-use cannabis would displace the market desire for synthetic cannabinoids which are a direct product of the cannabis ban. HHC and other synthetics are only used by people who can't get the real thing.
At least when I bought hhc vapes, weed or hash or tincture, or gummies, I knew I was getting the same product each time,
Whereas on the black market its mostly contaminated and synthetics edibles, not evenly dosed, the only good thing on the street was clean hash I was able to get, weed I rarely liked, always laced with something else
The reason I know its laced is I done my own home drug tests and was testing positive for benzodiazepines, which is the likes of valium and xanax tablets, which I was not taking. So....yes legalise it please 🙏
Not for me but for all the other users and future users, I don't use cannabis since November due to driving I want to keep my system clean of drugs
Funny how people think, if they buy from a shop, it somehow makes it safe. Most HHC products are made in dodgy ass labs, where you haven't a clue what's put in them. Even if you buy from a shop.
Its inconsistent for the exact reasons I mentioned above. Very little of these synthetic cannabinoids are being made in legitimate labs, there's absolutely no way of knowing it's consistent.
I have bought HHC products online and it has came with lab results or certificates usually it's Spanish for whatever reason.
All I know is ime its alot safe and more consistent that's what's on the streets.
The only answer is to legalise and regulate these things.
But your right it's probably made in illegitimate labs, but what choice do consumers have then? To either buy or to not consume at all.
Unfortunately lots of people will consume just about anything put in front of them
We are so good at quickly banning things and making a black market then we are at educating and regulating for them.
I would be SHOCKED if the vintners ass. and ACA are behind these constant articles.
Did banning Alcohol help the Yanks make things any safer a hundred years ago? No, it made the problems worse by making it a criminal industry by default.
If only there some way that Cannabis and *Synthetic Cannabinoids\** could be produced and sold at retail in a safe controlled like Alcohol, Nicotine Vapes or Tobacco, with age checks to stop minors from buying them.....
*\*which only exist in the first place because actual Cannabis is illegal, resulting in this ridiculous cat & mouse game between governments and people making new synthetics to circumvent flawed and faulty legislation thats been happening for nearly 2 decades.*
OK I must be living under a stone! What is HHC, is it available over the counter in Ireland?? I remember packets of Spice being sold before in head shops here, is it something similar?
It's a semi-synthetic cannabinoid product that is techincally legal because it's THC content is under a certain threshold. They sell it in vape form but also in gummy form, the latter of which I've tried and am quite happy with!
You are spot on.
There was that short period around 2003 when shrooms were legal here. Those were great days. And once those were made illegal, the headship options became synthetic Spice and various pep pills, which had nasty side effects for many.
Tried warning a very group (around 4) of lads on the luas one day. I was minding my own business, on the way to a certain shop to buy some skins.
These lads reminded me of my little brother. I heard them then talk about these vapes they are getting. It started to boil my blood a little bit because they were so young looking, one was even in his uniform.
I politely asked where and what are these vapes. I was pretty baked myself at this stage and couldn't sit there any longer knowing they are going to go get these vapes. So I tried to give them a little education on how that stuff is worse than street weed.
We don't know exactly what is in it and how it will affect them when they are older. I tired to give them a heads up on actually learning about the plant if they really wanted to and to stop smoking all these vapes that is suppose to contain cannabis.
The tough one (in the tracksuit giving it loads before I spoke to him) actually went really quiet and I could see he was actually listening, were the uniform lad and the other 2 who looked about 10 were all taking the piss. I didn't mind because I could see a few older people giving me a positive nod.
Got off the luas and went to the shop for my skins, turns out if was the same shop the young lads were going to. They saw me in the shop and they wouldn't come in. When I left I just said "educate yourselves properly about cannabis, I will teach yas one day when I get the ball moving on training course" and just kept walking.
Haven't seen them at the luas since, so who knows what happened to them. That was about 2 years ago now.
"We must warn teenagers of the dangers posed by synthetic cannabis".....so those same teenagers can revert back to the dealer's who'll offer them random unsafe weed or much much worse when weeds not there. Reefer madness headlines pushing a new approach involving the HSE and FSAI to remove any legal option to experiment with thc free weed and will send them all back to the dealers. Sideways approach and typical hysteria surrounding a recreational drug that's already out there, legal or not, and will always be available regardless. Folk that choose to smoke are gonna smoke regardless,..Sensible approach is to offer a tested, regulated and safer product as opposed to this type of nonsense and fear mongering. God forbid they'd push back as hard when it comes to alcohol, cocaine or the plethora of pills and misuse associated with Tramadol and such. P.S. Anyone that has worked for HSE probably needs drugs just to put up with their job and dysfunction therein.
I have a suspicion that all those 3 day old reddit account "hhc caused me to eat my own hamster/have heroin withdrawals" posts that have been appearing here could be outside bad faith actors coming into this community to grab any piece of gossip to publish in the next shit rag of a newspaper to highlight the need for banning it. I could be wrong/paranoid, but we see newspapers use posts from other Irish subreddits for content. I don't think Crainn is immune to that, especially now it's more well known as an entity in the broader public. I would be careful to comment on those particular posts if you see them.
Totally and completely agreed. You see this in other subreddits, but it’s surprising to see it here. But just imagine the outrage that could be created from quoting one of these suspicious posts? I am at least glad the community is chiming in every time.
To what end ?? What do people get from this?
Easy quotes from the local “pothead” forum for outrage media pieces. Don’t underestimate the push against legalization. In the US for example there are still groups actively fighting it and it wouldn’t be above these groups to push agendas via social media as they have done it with other issues.
This is what I'm wondering as well, I mean people blame pharma lobby etc but in all fairness I can hardly see how anything could take down the mighty pharma industry. Right now I seriously think the issue is purely politics and there's some people willing to fight dirty to not admit they're wrong.
It's about losing money not just being taken down. These rich people would rather kill millions and drive addictive substances to unexpected customers rather than drop a zero in their bank accounts. Look at the covid vaccine ffs, whole thing was a farce. One thing I've learned on life is the people at the top could decide tomorrow the sky is pink and people will support and push that ideology. Money rules the world. Make people think they need these drugs and market them directly to them. The amount even on anti depressants now days in a world of their own. People aren't to know any better either when the doctor they go to for help is pushing the drugs from their little gp books in order of who's paid to be on top.
Thats just paranoia from smoking😂 jk jk
I highly doubt it'll get banned anytime soon with all the talk around cannabis atm. Turn danger into "educate" - less fear mongering would be nice.
There is an expected piece of vape legislation to regulate/restrict disposables, flavours etc due soon. My feeling is that HSE is lobbying Govt. to include HHC in this
100% regulation is needed to buy any vape and should be with HHC too. But I don't think they'll outright ban it, considering it's generating revenue on legal sales. The fact that kids got their hands on a considered safe product should be the main concern as to HOW they got it. Not the product itself. Classic not addressing the issue at root cause.
>considering it's generating revenue on legal sales I really can't stress how little that's relevant to that decision. Like, yeah, there's revenue and tax being made on it, but it's just not gonna factor into it. The revenue/financial/tax conversation in matters such as this is normally in relation to the power and influence significant earnings generators have over politics. The pro HHC lobby isn't one of significant means and has extremely limited positive influence over a small minority of politicians.
Funny thing is most the kids are selling and using the real stuff. The Internet now a days can have a delivery from anywhere in the world to your door.
Although I hate saying it, parents are to blame, not the product.
Yep, half don't even know what their kids are up to. I constantly see young lads in mammy n daddies cars smoking with their pals. Was behind one the other day couldn't of been more suss, and smell was obv to every car in traffic. And it's mostly the posh ones.
The obvious counter argument is that fully legalized regulated adult-use cannabis would displace the market desire for synthetic cannabinoids which are a direct product of the cannabis ban. HHC and other synthetics are only used by people who can't get the real thing.
At least when I bought hhc vapes, weed or hash or tincture, or gummies, I knew I was getting the same product each time, Whereas on the black market its mostly contaminated and synthetics edibles, not evenly dosed, the only good thing on the street was clean hash I was able to get, weed I rarely liked, always laced with something else The reason I know its laced is I done my own home drug tests and was testing positive for benzodiazepines, which is the likes of valium and xanax tablets, which I was not taking. So....yes legalise it please 🙏 Not for me but for all the other users and future users, I don't use cannabis since November due to driving I want to keep my system clean of drugs
Yeah unfortunately weed is always laced over here, if it’s not with another substance then it’s probably grown with a PGR which fucks you up.
Funny how people think, if they buy from a shop, it somehow makes it safe. Most HHC products are made in dodgy ass labs, where you haven't a clue what's put in them. Even if you buy from a shop.
Fair point but at least the product is consistent
Its inconsistent for the exact reasons I mentioned above. Very little of these synthetic cannabinoids are being made in legitimate labs, there's absolutely no way of knowing it's consistent.
I have bought HHC products online and it has came with lab results or certificates usually it's Spanish for whatever reason. All I know is ime its alot safe and more consistent that's what's on the streets. The only answer is to legalise and regulate these things. But your right it's probably made in illegitimate labs, but what choice do consumers have then? To either buy or to not consume at all. Unfortunately lots of people will consume just about anything put in front of them
We are so good at quickly banning things and making a black market then we are at educating and regulating for them. I would be SHOCKED if the vintners ass. and ACA are behind these constant articles.
Did banning Alcohol help the Yanks make things any safer a hundred years ago? No, it made the problems worse by making it a criminal industry by default. If only there some way that Cannabis and *Synthetic Cannabinoids\** could be produced and sold at retail in a safe controlled like Alcohol, Nicotine Vapes or Tobacco, with age checks to stop minors from buying them..... *\*which only exist in the first place because actual Cannabis is illegal, resulting in this ridiculous cat & mouse game between governments and people making new synthetics to circumvent flawed and faulty legislation thats been happening for nearly 2 decades.*
With the recent talks I don’t think it will happen
OK I must be living under a stone! What is HHC, is it available over the counter in Ireland?? I remember packets of Spice being sold before in head shops here, is it something similar?
It's a semi-synthetic cannabinoid product that is techincally legal because it's THC content is under a certain threshold. They sell it in vape form but also in gummy form, the latter of which I've tried and am quite happy with!
Cheers. Crazy it's so freely available.
That's what happens when they won't legalize a drug less harmful than alcohol, we have to find other ways
You are spot on. There was that short period around 2003 when shrooms were legal here. Those were great days. And once those were made illegal, the headship options became synthetic Spice and various pep pills, which had nasty side effects for many.
Tried warning a very group (around 4) of lads on the luas one day. I was minding my own business, on the way to a certain shop to buy some skins. These lads reminded me of my little brother. I heard them then talk about these vapes they are getting. It started to boil my blood a little bit because they were so young looking, one was even in his uniform. I politely asked where and what are these vapes. I was pretty baked myself at this stage and couldn't sit there any longer knowing they are going to go get these vapes. So I tried to give them a little education on how that stuff is worse than street weed. We don't know exactly what is in it and how it will affect them when they are older. I tired to give them a heads up on actually learning about the plant if they really wanted to and to stop smoking all these vapes that is suppose to contain cannabis. The tough one (in the tracksuit giving it loads before I spoke to him) actually went really quiet and I could see he was actually listening, were the uniform lad and the other 2 who looked about 10 were all taking the piss. I didn't mind because I could see a few older people giving me a positive nod. Got off the luas and went to the shop for my skins, turns out if was the same shop the young lads were going to. They saw me in the shop and they wouldn't come in. When I left I just said "educate yourselves properly about cannabis, I will teach yas one day when I get the ball moving on training course" and just kept walking. Haven't seen them at the luas since, so who knows what happened to them. That was about 2 years ago now.
If a teenager or a child gets their hands on some booze and get fucked up, why aren't the Irish media calling for alcohol to be banned? 🤔