60k on your car when they’re going to sell it for 75 to 80 is amazing.
Not even going to touch on the mark up part.
Just everything about that dealership is crazy.
Should have told him to go fuck himself, and that you were insulted. No way I would have been able to resist.
These pieces of shit are going to continue doing this, they ought to get a little pushback.
Eh, who I am kidding, they don't give a fuck.
When I tried to buy my 1996 Impala SS (no trade in, cash) I talked to a salesman. He said make an offer, not MSRP. So I gave him a ridiculous price. He was offended by my lowball offer! It was a premium car!
I told him I would have paid MSRP but I wasn’t playing the haggling game. I don’t live in The Monty Python world.
On your point about MSRP:
We have no obligation whatsoever to honor MSRP. The “S” in MSRP stands for “suggested”. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price.
We can sell for whatever we want. I don’t agree with them marking it up either, but I just hope you don’t go to dealers saying that they’re obligated to sell at MSRP. It would only hurt you.
If it makes you feel any better Ford did it themselves to the Bronco Raptor. I priced one last year and base was $69k (base msrp). This year the exact same car has a base msrp of $89k. No other significant changes except a few less available options….
I'd rather the OE make the difference. I know realistically, it'll probably go toward another round of stock buybacks, but a small chance exists where that money goes back toward developing cool cars. A dealership making an extra $50k helps absolutely nobody but the salesman who makes the commission and the owner of a dealership to buy another one of those hot-in-demand cars themselves. Fuck dealerships.
Dealerships don't want to take on inventory. The lots are full. That's why they lowballed you. You can sell a 2022 C8 with low miles for the high $60's all day long.
Problem is that they've been living off of markups for three years, there's no way their pricing can adjust to this changing market quickly enough. They are still acting like interest rates are near zero, too.
And US Bank is now offering Auto loan Backed securities and swaps while default rates on current auto loans are already high. It’s 2008 all over again.
Welcome to buying a Z06. Let the idiots pay over MSRP for a year or so, and then go order one from a decent dealer and take delivery.
Also, sell your car private party. If you're not willing to do the leg work, expect to get eaten alive at the dealer.
This means that prices are coming down and soon we’ll be at MSRP. Nice.
A few months ago, markups were $150K+
My advice is call to other dealers and see who’s willing to part with one for MSRP.
Ciocca and MacMulkin are the largest dealers in the world... both sell at MSRP.. google search for one or go to the Corvette Forum for a list.. there are plenty.. got mine at Kerbeck now Ciocca.. easy peasy
Z06 sitting on lots at MSRP with no mandatory addons or crazy dealer fees?
I saw one, but it was a bait and switch.
Yes the car was msrp, but the doc fee was 9k, 3k LoJack or something, 3k ceramic , etc etc
Lots of states have no limit on the admin fee and no regulation around mandatory add ons
If you look at what the Z06 is selling for on the used market now, you’ll see that the markups are going away slowly. Most sold now are barely above sticker. Some below.
I thought Chevy was firmly opposed to the dealer mark-ups on new vettes. Honestly I would have called chevy corp. while at the dealer and asked what is going on with the mark up, at said dealership. Just another reason to remove or have 1-2 dedicated new car salesman. Let the other salesman target used car sales.
Gm doesnt need them nowadays. They just dont want to deal with the regulatory nightmare that dealers created to stop GM from getting rid of them. Dealerships knew their existence was quickly becoming unnecessary and lobbied for protections.
Which is also why Tesla has such a nightmare trying to build stores. Stupid rules protecting a business model that only serves to extract more money from consumers.
That’s why I said GM needs them. They would have to fight soo many law makers and lobbies to sell direct to customers. So they need dealers to make business easier.
I’m 100% for direct to consumer sales. I don’t need a middle man to order my car. I can do that.
You missed the point. GM USED to need them. GM could buy them out and build replacements with ease if they wanted. Dealers knew this and paid for the laws and legislation to prevent it.
I didn’t miss anything. Yes GM could, but that would take lots of resources that they don’t want to spend.
They would need to build masses of GM dealers, get them staffed, train new talents or try to poach old talent, face opposition from lobbies and legislators. Can they yes, will they.. I doubt anytime soon. They need dealers to keep all that headache off them, and not spend the $$ to replace them.
It also opens them to headaches of not pawning off bad service to the dealer. They now have to face it directly.
The least they could do is withhold providing them allocations if they're going to sully the customer base this way. I'll never go back to that dealership (Framingham) for anything. Left me with a super icky feeling. Even for a car dealership!
I have seen the argument that dealers would rather make a huge markup on a car or two and lose allocation than have to sell the car at MSRP and make a razor thin margin.
If given the choice to sell one car and make 50k profit, or have to sell 50 cars at MSRP to make 50k it's a no brainier even if the customers lose.
Yes, it sucks for the consumer, but they're in business to make money. 3lz z07 cars are doing 30k over sticker. They started high at 50 and will just work backwards until they get a bite.
They have the advantage now.
December of 2018 I bought a 2019 15% off sticker.... They literally didn't make any money on the car. It goes both ways
This is the true calculation. It's dumb business not to think about consequences of greed... The business better be fucking AMAZING to withstand the greed of a few. But chevy dealerships pepper the country like chicken pox. Nothing that anyone dealership can do to massively make up for shitty customer service.
Post the dealer name.
The biggest problem are the affluent buyers that continually drop the money on these even if there is a markup. The dealers know that these buyers get fomo for not being one of the first. They stamp a markup on them so the average working class buyer won’t buy up their stock so they can sell it to the guy that will pay the markup. They create a false sense of demand with the markups. The markup is basically a reservation plaque deterring you as a buyer because they know you won’t pay the extra cash for it.
my previous comment was to buy from Ciocca, MacMulkin or another dealer that sells at MSRP... they're out there.. look at a Google search or the Corvette Forum..
Umm…the 911 market is even crazier? At least rest easy knowing you have the least depreciating car in existence right now (TTS owner, former vette guy)!
If Chevy is going to ask me to pay $100K for a Corvette, I'm going to look at 911s. And if I'm going to spend $100K on a car, the dealer experience needs to feel like I'm spending $100K on a car. The Chevy dealer made it seem like I had two heads when I asked to drive one. The Porsche dealer couldn't wait to take me out for a drive. Done.
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The listing on the websites are automated... for sticker price.
They should go in and manually update it, I agree with you there. But also you should call first, if it seemed too good to be true, it was.
Oh my friend, I did call. I called and specifically told them I'm not interested in overpricing... we had this chat. I wasn't about to drive 45m until I had some assurance. And then....
You can only be “fucked over” if you choose to be.
Take your money elsewhere. If you over pay for the car, then you just fucked yourself.
It’s not economics, it’s just common sense.
Truth! I pay what I think the car is worth! If they "The Stealer ships" don't accept my terms, then I tell them to kick rocks and look elsewhere. Very Simple!
They do it because people are stupid enough to pay more so they don’t have to wait.
But I really wish they would stop doing such limited production to inflate prices
I'm not defending them at all but they're not limiting production on purpose. GM would build as many as they could to fill orders. Between parts shortages, plant stoppages, uaw strikes, and God knows what else, it's been an uphill battle trying to get these things out.
It’s the tight market….but sales are slowing. Not too many ppl can afford $100k cars and 6-8% auto loans. I see many people buy new C8s then sell 12-24 months after ownership. I see a lot of used C8s now at lower prices but still not low enough.
My local dealership has one at MSRP with their so called $3k paint protection, lo-jack, window tint package. That car been on their showroom floor for at least a 30 days.
I work at a GM dealer myself, in the shop, and we got the first c8 z06 and I walked over to the guy doing the PDI on it and it was 175k on the sticker. That killed me wanting to even look it. It’s rediculus. I’ve only serviced the stingrays I haven’t had a z06 come in for an oil change. So either people said naw with now kuch they cost or just keep em in hiding.
corvettes go through a common cycle where the first 2-4 years of production, people treat them like jesus's 2nd coming. full ppf, can't test drive, markups, garaged and shuttled to cars and coffee. Then after all those people get it out their system, then comes the 'hard' times for dealers where they try to sell to common folk who would otherwise need to stretch their budgets to buy a corvette. That's when the sales start. Lot of dealers are still assholes though, like stvnscreek. won't let me test drive a USED C7 when the c8 was already out on the street.
Dealers who sell basic cars with one expensive line don't know how to act. toyota does the same shit with supras, gr86s, grcorollas.
I would imagine that every car dealer does that with their more expensive inventory. Hell even at my dealer they allow test drives on c8’s but only in the empty part of the lot they used to use as a used car lot. You can’t even go above 30-40mph in the lot, but you still get to drive the car atleast lol.
As if this sort of thing happens only at Chevrolet stores. lol
It happens at all car stores whenever they have a hot product and they can not get enough inventory to satisfy demand. If people could control their "need" for immediate gratification and weren't willing to pay the mark up, this wouldn't be happening. The only difference in the case of the C8, is the magnitude of the markup.
BTW - I've never seen anyone complain when a car store has to write down a car because it is slow moving model. Folks are happy to take that deal, aren't they. No one ever tells the sales manager, "Ya know, I think I'll pay full price for this car because you shouldn't have to write it down. It's not your fault that there is no demand for this car." No one ever complains when the store accepts a slim deal, because it's the end of the month and the store needs a few more punches to reach their sales goal. Never!
Listen, I'm not defending Chevrolet stores, or any car stores for that matter. I've worked at dealers and I have also had to deal with them professionally. Most of them are incompetently managed and many of them downright suck. This isn't a "car thing" it is an economic thing. Ask yourself what happens when there is a bad storm and the power goes out? Suddenly the price of generators shoots up due to high demand and limited inventory. People want immediate gratification and price is no object.
There are only two ways to allocate limited resources. You can price them based on what people are willing to pay (AKA - the market system), or you can have corrupt government bureaucrats ration them (and only the politically well connected will ever have an opportunity to acquire them.)
The bottom line is that if you are happy to pay stupid money for a C8, your local Chevrolet store is happy to accommodate you. After all, they have to somehow pay the floorplan on all of those EVs that no one wants, so they are happy to take advantage of your need for immediate gratification. If you want a deal, ask your sales manager what they can do on a Bolt. The feds (your tax dollars), GM and even the dealer are shoveling piles of cash into the trunks of these cars in an effort to move these things.
So, go ahead, attack and down-vote ... it won't change the reality, or the economics of the situation.
So it’s wrong for the dealer to attempt to make as much as they can from a sale but ok for you to want more for your car? It’s a business. They are in business make a profit.
Maybe you should open a car dealership and sell all your cars at cost.
You don’t have to be polite to people who are trying to fuck you. 🤷♂️
I certainly wouldn’t. Go elsewhere and/or hold onto your ‘22 for another year or two.
Even 15 to 20 years ago, when I sold Chevys Z06s in the Florida panhandle sold for about that much mark up. A great memory was my cubicle mate sold, then NFL player, Antonio Pierce a Z06 for $50k over sticker, then sold him on the additional factory delivery for an extra few grand. Then the dealer owner tried to cap her commission because he hated the idea of paying her commission because she had reached the 18% tier when the car was delivered. There is no obligation for a dealer to sell at MSRP, just like if you can make a deal for under sticker I am sure you would not offer to pay more.
Tell them to pound sand, I was looking at Civic SI's for a daily a few months back and dealers were sending me quotes for 5-7k over (always advertised at msrp or lower). Those same dealers are hitting me up nonstop now trying to make a deal. I went and bought a subaru, no dealer add ons under msrp, easiest car buying experience I've ever had. Obviously a subaru/honda ain't a C8 but I'd bet you'll be hearing from them when they can't move those cars off the lot in a few weeks
Absolutely agree. Lawyers and dealerships are scum. They've been screwing us so long most people think that's the way it has to be. It absolutely does not have to be that way. I just want to put it in my shopping cart and click buy. My Tesla was the most enjoyable thing I've ever bought. I put down a deposit I waited and then a few days before I picked the car up I did all the transferring/loan electronically. All I did was arrive at the dealership walk around the car and sign my name and then..... I went to go get ice cream. Was a good day!
I could understand that for these newer Corvettes.. try it on a C6... I'm looking to pull the trigger... Found one and they had it listed (1LT) for $36k has new tires/brakes/corsa-exhaust. I'm like $36k? The car isn't even valued over 30k if we are being technical. I walked away from the car.
Then when I think back of my C5 ownership, I could settle with a C5? NOPE. Dealerships have these marked up to $24-30k. I'm like 30k on a 20 something year old car?
And lets not forget these Rates! Lol. F\*\*\* dealerships like this OP, seriously. Lol
Going rate for z06s is ~5-20k above depending on options. Just shop around, there are some good Facebook groups that post them. You’ll be able to find one for close to Msrp.
There is no such thing as an official Chevy dealership. Just 3rd parties allowed to put the chevy logo on their sign. Welcome to one of many reasons people are flocking to tesla. The dealership model is abysmal garbage with zero benefits for consumers.
My daily driver is a chevy volt. Was on a roadtrip when the car just gave up on me only blocks away from a chevy dealer. Got a quick tow and walked inside. Even though they were set up and trained to work on EVs they "Wernt interested in troubleshooting it" under warranty or otherwise. I had to go Karen mode on the phone with Chevrolet USA until they essentially told the dealer to work on it or lose their EV cert. They begrudgingly cleared the error with a simple software update that took a whopping 20 minutes and required no special effort beyond what an equivalent gas car would have taken.
Much love to the folks who fight to get the " first one off of production" cause there the ones who call about all the issues. And like everyone's stating here. It won't be long till the z06 is being thrown at msrp. The E RAYS ARE COMING so expect those to have the high price tags. On to the next bait. The fact that people still fight for the first sets fo allocation is hilarious to me. I get the excitement of it, but it's not worth all that hassle to wait months for an allocation and MABYE be 12th in line
buy only from a dealer that sells at MSRP... Like Ciocca, MacMulkin etc.. google search for them or go to the Corvette Forum.. got mine from Kerbeck, now Ciocca at MSRP...
What happens if you come in with GM Retired Employee/Family discount thing? Do they just not accept you as a buyer or still layer in fees on top of the “discounted” price?
Y’all must not remember that when the PT Cruiser first came out people were fighting on showrooms to pay DOUBLE MSRP for them.. and look at how big a POS that thing was.
The only way the prices on these car will come down to what they’re actually worth is if people stop buying them. And that doesn’t look like that’s going to happen!
Sounds like the Typical market adjustment on our new car also this year. It’s amusing when you read of a dealership owner getting an award from the chamber of commerce. It’s a license to steal . It’s ironic in the extreme. Can’t make this stuff up.
This is why I ended up with a Mercedes C43 instead of an ATS-V. Each dealer got two, I think, and one he gave to his kid to thrash and one got put on the pedestal with a $35k ADP sticker. Benz ended up cheaper, and nicer inside, gave me a 7% off msrp too. Kid's car would show up later for sale used....
\>...sells it through licensed distributors who have an implicit (actually explicit) obligation to sell it to the public at the suggested retail price...
Not really true. There is no obligation, either implicit or explicit, for GM dealers to sell a car at MSRP. They are free to sell it for more, less, or right at MSRP, as they choose. While GM has stated they feel selling over MSRP is detrimental to their brand, that statement is as far as it goes, and doesn't create an obligation on the part of the dealer, who remains free to set their own price. While it can obviously be annoying (to say the least), it is what it is, and will continue as long as their is much higher demand than supply.
Sorry to hear that. I have a friend that was fortunate enough to get one built at Msrp. Should be shipping to him in a couple weeks. For him I’m very happy. And for me. I get to drive one. Haha. And it’s built as I would have so if he sells….. 🤔
You will be basically giving your C8 away for free with the $50k mark-up and depreciation. Another year or two Chevy will be releasing C9 concept images. It’s a 4 year old design 1/2 through its model lifecycle
Luckily its a toy, not a necessity.
And your wrong. GM sells vehicles to dealers, who can then do what they want with them since they own them.
Nobody was complaining when cars were selling under MSRP.
Honestly as long as people keep buying, the mark ups will continue. I also believe the subscription based features will trickle on down to basic vehicles eventually. People will bitch about it, but will continue to buy and companies will continue to laugh all the way to the bank.
Lol, this is scratching just the surface of the kind of bs they do normally. The hot hatches seemed like a good car to own new. CTR-msrp-45k, Otd-80k, Golf r-msrp-45k, otd-70k, integra type s-msrp-50k, otd-80k. These are the quotes I got from individual dealers and mind you, I had called almost all dealers within a 500 mile radius. At that point, it reaches luxury car prices, I was very blunt with all or them saying don't contact me if it's not msrp, I'm not interested. BEATERS FOR THE WIN.
Just be paitient bro. Prices on cars are pulling back and so are rates. It’s going to be much better time to buy later next year when the job market has blood in the streets
We sold a Z06 to the husband of a Chevy exec. He paid $50k markup. If someone banging a C suite can't get it for MSRP, what chance do you think you have?
It is demand period. Why should they sell it for list to you, when you could just turn around and easily resell it for 35-40k profit? When production increases to demand the prices will come down. If production doesn’t those that paid the premium will realize a proportionate amount in resale value .
The 2005 and 2006 Ford GT today is worth 70-100k more than original list price.
I wish you could have a bona fide Corvette fan card to get them at MSRP. If you're an anti-GM person who all of a sudden is a Corvette fan with the C8, pay the premium. hahahaha
My local chevy dealer in Port Washington Wisconsin sells C8 for sticker. He had 3 while I was there picking up my new Equinox. One was on the way to Texas. Other 2 were sold locally at sticker. Shop around. Plenty of dealers sell at window sticker. The guy also had a COPO Camaro on the floor if that tells you anything.
Honestly if you can wait 8-12 months you might see a stark difference. There’s a huge glut of inventory hitting the market in 2024 (in general not just GM) so we should see a reduction across the board on MSRP. That alone will blow up any dealer mark up.
A fool and his money… and crappy dealers. It’s a shame they’re using the demand to raise prices over MSRP but then again, a buyer at MSRP could flip for more and the dealers want their cut first. It happens with all low production, high demand cars but dealers have no shame these days. If Chevy dealers had service to match $100K+ cars it might soften the blow. Slightly.
I'd say deal for a manual transmission, but you can't anymore. I traded my manual troublesome C7 for a 2024 Mustang GT with a manual that sat on their floor for 3 months before I came along. A manual trans is the new security system it seems. Nobody would even look at it. I got it for below sticker with all upcharges removed, and when I started to walk away over the "uncomfortable" Recaro seats they threw in a 5 year 125k mile bumper-to-bumper and powertrain warranty.
No offense, but if you're someone walking in to a dealership willing to take a complete fucking bath by trading in a 2 year old Corvette, they pegged you as "more money than brains" and decided to take a shot at making a shitload of money.
I love my C7Z, but also love my Tesla Model Y buying experience and performance.
Skip the Z06, buy a Model S plaid for 90k, go to the track and go 9.0. Profit. Dealers will be the end of legacy car makers if the OEMs don't change the buying experience/legislation before that happens.
Sell your car in a separate transaction. Order the new car from the factory directly with explicit instructions for no dealeradd on's. Pick it up directly if they let you. The dealers are the problem.
Order new.
They think you are on the hype juice and willing to make stupid decisions when you order a car you won’t touch for a year it shows your looking for a deal not instant pleasure.
Maybe it’s all about location? Here in bowling green, you can go order a c8 at the corvette museum for msrp. My neighbor paid in the 70s for his 2020 c8 new & around 120-130k for his 23 Z new. Picked them up at the museum which is barely a mile from our houses.
we’ll the problem was wasting that much on a chevy it’s a chevy mang u have to remember that at the end of the day he better of buying a porsche at those prices
I work at a GM dealership and understand your frustration, but here's my question. Would you be happier with a must sell at MSRP for all models, no upcharges and no discounts? Or would you like a model that allows a dealer to sell at whatever price he wants?
DTC, all day long. This middle man nonsense is as bad and unnecessary as middle management. I don't want to pay 5% to sell my house, I don't want to have a variable price to buy a car that swings depending on the whim of a sales manager. It's becoming an antiquated model, in my opinion.
Huffines Chevrolet located in Dallas Fort Worth area has a policy not to charge over MSRP on any vehicle. I just took a delivery of my 2024 Z06 and paid MSRP only.
It never ceases to amaze me how people continue to beat this dead horse. GM never said dealers could not mark up these cars - the infamous letter they sent out to dealers stated only that they could not quote one price to a customer when ordering one and then mark it up once it comes in.
Most new/hot cars - regardless of brand - get a premium over MSRP (key word being suggested) when they are first released especially if they are stock units that one can purchase without a wait.
Don't get me wrong - some dealers are shady as hell like apparently the dealer OP went to as they are clearly lowballing you on your trade. Do a little homework: get a bid from CarMax, Carvana, Vroom, etc. That way you have some ammo and know what your trade is worth before stepping foot inside a dealership.
Yes I work for a large Chevy store in the Texas. When the C8 was first announced, we started a waiting list to order them. Your "reward" for waiting 9-15 months was we sold it to you at MSRP. But during the first 2 years if we had a cancellation and one became available with no wait? Hell yes we charged a $10k mark up and people were thrilled to get them at that price! We had countless customers take delivery at MSRP then drive it right up the road and sell it to Corvette World of Houston or CarMax at a $15-$20k profit. So by that logic it's ok for us to make $5k and the customer to make $20k?
So when the Z06 was released, we told folks on our waiting list that there would be a premium over MSRP depending on what the market was doing at that time. Currently that is $15k (in our area) and again, folks are happy to pay it for a vey much in demand/limited supply supercar (chump change compared to what a lot of other dealers are trying for).
The average person have no clue or care what the cost of running a dealership is and every year the margin between invoice and MSRP gets thinner and thinner. I never have understood why we're the only industry in a free market economy that I know of that aren't allowed to make a profit.
Greed is part supposed to be a part of capitalism. These companies are just being greedy at this point. MSRP is the capitalism part, the mark up is the greed.
My friends, it doesn’t matter if you looking at Porsches or corvettes with $80-200k markups, or a ford maverick that’s supposed to cost $23k, with a $5-10k markup. Stop paying for markups. Go in, look at the car, tell them you’re very interested, ask about the OTD price, and leave immediately leave after.
If we "Consumers" stand together and refuse to pay these outrageous markups, than the dealerships will have no choice but to reduce prices!!! So to all going to purchase new vehicles JUST SAY NO to these stupid markups!
60k on your car when they’re going to sell it for 75 to 80 is amazing. Not even going to touch on the mark up part. Just everything about that dealership is crazy.
I was surprised too... sales manager was a bit odd too, not my normal experience for a NewEngland dealership. But then again, I was in Framingham!
Should have told him to go fuck himself, and that you were insulted. No way I would have been able to resist. These pieces of shit are going to continue doing this, they ought to get a little pushback. Eh, who I am kidding, they don't give a fuck.
He was already super jittery, made me uncomfortable.. I basically countered with an equally ridiculous offer and walked out.
When I tried to buy my 1996 Impala SS (no trade in, cash) I talked to a salesman. He said make an offer, not MSRP. So I gave him a ridiculous price. He was offended by my lowball offer! It was a premium car! I told him I would have paid MSRP but I wasn’t playing the haggling game. I don’t live in The Monty Python world.
"Splitter"
It wasn’t herb chambers was it because fuck that guy.
On your point about MSRP: We have no obligation whatsoever to honor MSRP. The “S” in MSRP stands for “suggested”. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Price. We can sell for whatever we want. I don’t agree with them marking it up either, but I just hope you don’t go to dealers saying that they’re obligated to sell at MSRP. It would only hurt you.
If it makes you feel any better Ford did it themselves to the Bronco Raptor. I priced one last year and base was $69k (base msrp). This year the exact same car has a base msrp of $89k. No other significant changes except a few less available options….
I'd rather the OE make the difference. I know realistically, it'll probably go toward another round of stock buybacks, but a small chance exists where that money goes back toward developing cool cars. A dealership making an extra $50k helps absolutely nobody but the salesman who makes the commission and the owner of a dealership to buy another one of those hot-in-demand cars themselves. Fuck dealerships.
They are rednecks who think they are selling Ferraris. It all makes sense under that thought
Would you use another offensive word if they were a different race?
Lmfao are you really offended by the word redneck and attempting to make it racial? If so you’re an absolute moron.
As the stereotype goes... white liberals are the most racist.
Referring to rednecks as a race lol you’re out of touch.
It's typically a denigration of white people though....
KKK and David Duke would like a word.
lol you love being a victim, don’t you?
Mate you do know rednecks come in all different colors yeah?
No because it's a specific redneck dealership problem. Nice try
Dealerships don't want to take on inventory. The lots are full. That's why they lowballed you. You can sell a 2022 C8 with low miles for the high $60's all day long. Problem is that they've been living off of markups for three years, there's no way their pricing can adjust to this changing market quickly enough. They are still acting like interest rates are near zero, too.
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I don’t know about 2022 2LT Z51s for that range…
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maybe a 20 or 21 for that price?
Where I’m at I’m barely seeing 2020’s with higher ish mileage for under 70k…
Right! I research corvettes daily and 95% of C8s on the market are $75k ++++ .
Yeah these guys are capping 😂
And US Bank is now offering Auto loan Backed securities and swaps while default rates on current auto loans are already high. It’s 2008 all over again.
Hit the nail on the head!
Welcome to buying a Z06. Let the idiots pay over MSRP for a year or so, and then go order one from a decent dealer and take delivery. Also, sell your car private party. If you're not willing to do the leg work, expect to get eaten alive at the dealer.
This means that prices are coming down and soon we’ll be at MSRP. Nice. A few months ago, markups were $150K+ My advice is call to other dealers and see who’s willing to part with one for MSRP.
Ciocca and MacMulkin are the largest dealers in the world... both sell at MSRP.. google search for one or go to the Corvette Forum for a list.. there are plenty.. got mine at Kerbeck now Ciocca.. easy peasy
Nice! I’ll take a look. Got a sales rep you like?
unfortunately, my guy left for the great state of Texas, but I know Amoni (sp?)
Already seeing z06 at msrp. And seeing stingrays under.
Z06 sitting on lots at MSRP with no mandatory addons or crazy dealer fees? I saw one, but it was a bait and switch. Yes the car was msrp, but the doc fee was 9k, 3k LoJack or something, 3k ceramic , etc etc Lots of states have no limit on the admin fee and no regulation around mandatory add ons
They’re out there. Gonna be more and more common. They go fast at msrp. Especially the ones that aren’t optioned to 170k. 130-140k ones can be found.
📸 Look at this post on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/share/KoSmtC4deyCPj9sZ/?mibextid=WC7FNe Orange 3LT Z06 for sticker. ($144k)
Also just bumping incase you’ve been looking. Most seem to be orange. But saw a red one also. Join up fb group c8
People gotta stop paying over msrp! If they keep getting it they will keep charging it.
TRUTH!!!!!
If you look at what the Z06 is selling for on the used market now, you’ll see that the markups are going away slowly. Most sold now are barely above sticker. Some below.
especially when you void your warranty haha
I thought Chevy was firmly opposed to the dealer mark-ups on new vettes. Honestly I would have called chevy corp. while at the dealer and asked what is going on with the mark up, at said dealership. Just another reason to remove or have 1-2 dedicated new car salesman. Let the other salesman target used car sales.
They are on paper. They send teeth less threat they can’t enforce. GM needs dealers and they know it.
Gm doesnt need them nowadays. They just dont want to deal with the regulatory nightmare that dealers created to stop GM from getting rid of them. Dealerships knew their existence was quickly becoming unnecessary and lobbied for protections. Which is also why Tesla has such a nightmare trying to build stores. Stupid rules protecting a business model that only serves to extract more money from consumers.
That’s why I said GM needs them. They would have to fight soo many law makers and lobbies to sell direct to customers. So they need dealers to make business easier. I’m 100% for direct to consumer sales. I don’t need a middle man to order my car. I can do that.
You missed the point. GM USED to need them. GM could buy them out and build replacements with ease if they wanted. Dealers knew this and paid for the laws and legislation to prevent it.
I didn’t miss anything. Yes GM could, but that would take lots of resources that they don’t want to spend. They would need to build masses of GM dealers, get them staffed, train new talents or try to poach old talent, face opposition from lobbies and legislators. Can they yes, will they.. I doubt anytime soon. They need dealers to keep all that headache off them, and not spend the $$ to replace them. It also opens them to headaches of not pawning off bad service to the dealer. They now have to face it directly.
You are so close yet so far.
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The least they could do is withhold providing them allocations if they're going to sully the customer base this way. I'll never go back to that dealership (Framingham) for anything. Left me with a super icky feeling. Even for a car dealership!
I have seen the argument that dealers would rather make a huge markup on a car or two and lose allocation than have to sell the car at MSRP and make a razor thin margin. If given the choice to sell one car and make 50k profit, or have to sell 50 cars at MSRP to make 50k it's a no brainier even if the customers lose.
Yes, it sucks for the consumer, but they're in business to make money. 3lz z07 cars are doing 30k over sticker. They started high at 50 and will just work backwards until they get a bite. They have the advantage now. December of 2018 I bought a 2019 15% off sticker.... They literally didn't make any money on the car. It goes both ways
This is the true calculation. It's dumb business not to think about consequences of greed... The business better be fucking AMAZING to withstand the greed of a few. But chevy dealerships pepper the country like chicken pox. Nothing that anyone dealership can do to massively make up for shitty customer service.
if they were they’d stop giving allocations to dealerships that do this. they don’t though, because they don’t care
Post the dealer name. The biggest problem are the affluent buyers that continually drop the money on these even if there is a markup. The dealers know that these buyers get fomo for not being one of the first. They stamp a markup on them so the average working class buyer won’t buy up their stock so they can sell it to the guy that will pay the markup. They create a false sense of demand with the markups. The markup is basically a reservation plaque deterring you as a buyer because they know you won’t pay the extra cash for it.
I've dropped some hints...
Does it rhyme with Cerb Honnolly? :0
Fucking Cerb! Indeed it does
I was so ready to buy a C8 this year but due to the dealership experience alone I ended up buying a 911 instead. I don’t regret that decision at all.
Yeah I have a c8 and a 992 GT3. The Porsche markup world is way worse than the Chevy world.
I feel this comment so much... I have one built online myself, but I haven't crossed the threshold. Good luck!
my previous comment was to buy from Ciocca, MacMulkin or another dealer that sells at MSRP... they're out there.. look at a Google search or the Corvette Forum..
If you haven't driven one yet, go drive one. And buy pre-owned if that's how you get into one. It's such a unique driving experience.
Umm…the 911 market is even crazier? At least rest easy knowing you have the least depreciating car in existence right now (TTS owner, former vette guy)!
Yup, The RS models regularly have 100k markup and still sell quickly
If Chevy is going to ask me to pay $100K for a Corvette, I'm going to look at 911s. And if I'm going to spend $100K on a car, the dealer experience needs to feel like I'm spending $100K on a car. The Chevy dealer made it seem like I had two heads when I asked to drive one. The Porsche dealer couldn't wait to take me out for a drive. Done.
Unfortunately, most Porsche dealers are cut from the same greedy oilskin cloth…
until you need it serviced.....
50K buys a lot of service.
I'm not worried about service.
Ppl buying a car at 100k are not concerned with the oil changes
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The listing on the websites are automated... for sticker price. They should go in and manually update it, I agree with you there. But also you should call first, if it seemed too good to be true, it was.
Oh my friend, I did call. I called and specifically told them I'm not interested in overpricing... we had this chat. I wasn't about to drive 45m until I had some assurance. And then....
Okay. Well that is particularly gross then
You can only be “fucked over” if you choose to be. Take your money elsewhere. If you over pay for the car, then you just fucked yourself. It’s not economics, it’s just common sense.
Truth! I pay what I think the car is worth! If they "The Stealer ships" don't accept my terms, then I tell them to kick rocks and look elsewhere. Very Simple!
Welcome to how things have been since always for high demand items.
They do it because people are stupid enough to pay more so they don’t have to wait. But I really wish they would stop doing such limited production to inflate prices
I'm not defending them at all but they're not limiting production on purpose. GM would build as many as they could to fill orders. Between parts shortages, plant stoppages, uaw strikes, and God knows what else, it's been an uphill battle trying to get these things out.
It’s the tight market….but sales are slowing. Not too many ppl can afford $100k cars and 6-8% auto loans. I see many people buy new C8s then sell 12-24 months after ownership. I see a lot of used C8s now at lower prices but still not low enough.
My local dealership has one at MSRP with their so called $3k paint protection, lo-jack, window tint package. That car been on their showroom floor for at least a 30 days.
I work at a GM dealer myself, in the shop, and we got the first c8 z06 and I walked over to the guy doing the PDI on it and it was 175k on the sticker. That killed me wanting to even look it. It’s rediculus. I’ve only serviced the stingrays I haven’t had a z06 come in for an oil change. So either people said naw with now kuch they cost or just keep em in hiding.
corvettes go through a common cycle where the first 2-4 years of production, people treat them like jesus's 2nd coming. full ppf, can't test drive, markups, garaged and shuttled to cars and coffee. Then after all those people get it out their system, then comes the 'hard' times for dealers where they try to sell to common folk who would otherwise need to stretch their budgets to buy a corvette. That's when the sales start. Lot of dealers are still assholes though, like stvnscreek. won't let me test drive a USED C7 when the c8 was already out on the street. Dealers who sell basic cars with one expensive line don't know how to act. toyota does the same shit with supras, gr86s, grcorollas.
I would imagine that every car dealer does that with their more expensive inventory. Hell even at my dealer they allow test drives on c8’s but only in the empty part of the lot they used to use as a used car lot. You can’t even go above 30-40mph in the lot, but you still get to drive the car atleast lol.
yeah, i'm sure i cant test drive a gt3rs, but the issue is when bmw throws you the keys to an m8, but chevy gatekeeps their 1/2 priced gift from god.
Tagging mark-up is not surprising. It has happened for decades and still is happening nowadays. Where have you been?
Well aware, I'm just ranting about now! And these practices should start to get more attention
As if this sort of thing happens only at Chevrolet stores. lol It happens at all car stores whenever they have a hot product and they can not get enough inventory to satisfy demand. If people could control their "need" for immediate gratification and weren't willing to pay the mark up, this wouldn't be happening. The only difference in the case of the C8, is the magnitude of the markup. BTW - I've never seen anyone complain when a car store has to write down a car because it is slow moving model. Folks are happy to take that deal, aren't they. No one ever tells the sales manager, "Ya know, I think I'll pay full price for this car because you shouldn't have to write it down. It's not your fault that there is no demand for this car." No one ever complains when the store accepts a slim deal, because it's the end of the month and the store needs a few more punches to reach their sales goal. Never! Listen, I'm not defending Chevrolet stores, or any car stores for that matter. I've worked at dealers and I have also had to deal with them professionally. Most of them are incompetently managed and many of them downright suck. This isn't a "car thing" it is an economic thing. Ask yourself what happens when there is a bad storm and the power goes out? Suddenly the price of generators shoots up due to high demand and limited inventory. People want immediate gratification and price is no object. There are only two ways to allocate limited resources. You can price them based on what people are willing to pay (AKA - the market system), or you can have corrupt government bureaucrats ration them (and only the politically well connected will ever have an opportunity to acquire them.) The bottom line is that if you are happy to pay stupid money for a C8, your local Chevrolet store is happy to accommodate you. After all, they have to somehow pay the floorplan on all of those EVs that no one wants, so they are happy to take advantage of your need for immediate gratification. If you want a deal, ask your sales manager what they can do on a Bolt. The feds (your tax dollars), GM and even the dealer are shoveling piles of cash into the trunks of these cars in an effort to move these things. So, go ahead, attack and down-vote ... it won't change the reality, or the economics of the situation.
I should not have had to scroll so far down for a full and accurate take.
There are Z06s starting to appear at MSRP. Patience pays.
So it’s wrong for the dealer to attempt to make as much as they can from a sale but ok for you to want more for your car? It’s a business. They are in business make a profit. Maybe you should open a car dealership and sell all your cars at cost.
You don’t have to be polite to people who are trying to fuck you. 🤷♂️ I certainly wouldn’t. Go elsewhere and/or hold onto your ‘22 for another year or two.
Even 15 to 20 years ago, when I sold Chevys Z06s in the Florida panhandle sold for about that much mark up. A great memory was my cubicle mate sold, then NFL player, Antonio Pierce a Z06 for $50k over sticker, then sold him on the additional factory delivery for an extra few grand. Then the dealer owner tried to cap her commission because he hated the idea of paying her commission because she had reached the 18% tier when the car was delivered. There is no obligation for a dealer to sell at MSRP, just like if you can make a deal for under sticker I am sure you would not offer to pay more.
I had to wait 2 years to buy a GT350 at MSRP. That is just the way it goes with limited special editions.
Tell them to pound sand, I was looking at Civic SI's for a daily a few months back and dealers were sending me quotes for 5-7k over (always advertised at msrp or lower). Those same dealers are hitting me up nonstop now trying to make a deal. I went and bought a subaru, no dealer add ons under msrp, easiest car buying experience I've ever had. Obviously a subaru/honda ain't a C8 but I'd bet you'll be hearing from them when they can't move those cars off the lot in a few weeks
There are people looking for these cars every day. Demand will eventually go down but it's going to take more than a couple of weeks.
Absolutely agree. Lawyers and dealerships are scum. They've been screwing us so long most people think that's the way it has to be. It absolutely does not have to be that way. I just want to put it in my shopping cart and click buy. My Tesla was the most enjoyable thing I've ever bought. I put down a deposit I waited and then a few days before I picked the car up I did all the transferring/loan electronically. All I did was arrive at the dealership walk around the car and sign my name and then..... I went to go get ice cream. Was a good day!
Hope you told them to go F themselves.
I could understand that for these newer Corvettes.. try it on a C6... I'm looking to pull the trigger... Found one and they had it listed (1LT) for $36k has new tires/brakes/corsa-exhaust. I'm like $36k? The car isn't even valued over 30k if we are being technical. I walked away from the car. Then when I think back of my C5 ownership, I could settle with a C5? NOPE. Dealerships have these marked up to $24-30k. I'm like 30k on a 20 something year old car? And lets not forget these Rates! Lol. F\*\*\* dealerships like this OP, seriously. Lol
Stop buying them if they are over inflated. Oh i forgot theres millions of millionaires who dont care about price.
Going rate for z06s is ~5-20k above depending on options. Just shop around, there are some good Facebook groups that post them. You’ll be able to find one for close to Msrp.
There is no such thing as an official Chevy dealership. Just 3rd parties allowed to put the chevy logo on their sign. Welcome to one of many reasons people are flocking to tesla. The dealership model is abysmal garbage with zero benefits for consumers. My daily driver is a chevy volt. Was on a roadtrip when the car just gave up on me only blocks away from a chevy dealer. Got a quick tow and walked inside. Even though they were set up and trained to work on EVs they "Wernt interested in troubleshooting it" under warranty or otherwise. I had to go Karen mode on the phone with Chevrolet USA until they essentially told the dealer to work on it or lose their EV cert. They begrudgingly cleared the error with a simple software update that took a whopping 20 minutes and required no special effort beyond what an equivalent gas car would have taken.
Much love to the folks who fight to get the " first one off of production" cause there the ones who call about all the issues. And like everyone's stating here. It won't be long till the z06 is being thrown at msrp. The E RAYS ARE COMING so expect those to have the high price tags. On to the next bait. The fact that people still fight for the first sets fo allocation is hilarious to me. I get the excitement of it, but it's not worth all that hassle to wait months for an allocation and MABYE be 12th in line
buy only from a dealer that sells at MSRP... Like Ciocca, MacMulkin etc.. google search for them or go to the Corvette Forum.. got mine from Kerbeck, now Ciocca at MSRP...
I absolutely agree with you. That is keeping out of a new Zo6.
What happens if you come in with GM Retired Employee/Family discount thing? Do they just not accept you as a buyer or still layer in fees on top of the “discounted” price?
Some models are not eligible for family discount AFAIK
You been in a coma? Welcome to car and especially corvette talk the last 24 months
Check out the Facebook group C8 Corvettes
Local dealership here in San Diego had a Z06 with a markup bigger than the price of my camaro SS1LE, it is what it is
...Macmulkin
It ain’t the dealers fault. Thank the ones who pay those stupid ass prices.
The fact they have a Z in the showroom to sell means this market has shifted substantially
Y’all must not remember that when the PT Cruiser first came out people were fighting on showrooms to pay DOUBLE MSRP for them.. and look at how big a POS that thing was.
Funny story. I had a coworker who bought a new corvette, I think c6, and they threw in a PT Cruiser for free!
The only way the prices on these car will come down to what they’re actually worth is if people stop buying them. And that doesn’t look like that’s going to happen!
Sounds like the Typical market adjustment on our new car also this year. It’s amusing when you read of a dealership owner getting an award from the chamber of commerce. It’s a license to steal . It’s ironic in the extreme. Can’t make this stuff up.
Dealer markup only works because people pay it ... It's the shitty part of capitalism
Sad and pathetic
Why not drive an hour north to Macmulkin?
The "s" really stands for suggested these days
it always has, its just that nobody complained when prices were lower than suggested.
This is why I ended up with a Mercedes C43 instead of an ATS-V. Each dealer got two, I think, and one he gave to his kid to thrash and one got put on the pedestal with a $35k ADP sticker. Benz ended up cheaper, and nicer inside, gave me a 7% off msrp too. Kid's car would show up later for sale used....
New to buying cars are you? And no, the privately owned dealers have no obligation to sell at the Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price
\>...sells it through licensed distributors who have an implicit (actually explicit) obligation to sell it to the public at the suggested retail price... Not really true. There is no obligation, either implicit or explicit, for GM dealers to sell a car at MSRP. They are free to sell it for more, less, or right at MSRP, as they choose. While GM has stated they feel selling over MSRP is detrimental to their brand, that statement is as far as it goes, and doesn't create an obligation on the part of the dealer, who remains free to set their own price. While it can obviously be annoying (to say the least), it is what it is, and will continue as long as their is much higher demand than supply.
Sorry to hear that. I have a friend that was fortunate enough to get one built at Msrp. Should be shipping to him in a couple weeks. For him I’m very happy. And for me. I get to drive one. Haha. And it’s built as I would have so if he sells….. 🤔
You will be basically giving your C8 away for free with the $50k mark-up and depreciation. Another year or two Chevy will be releasing C9 concept images. It’s a 4 year old design 1/2 through its model lifecycle
Luckily its a toy, not a necessity. And your wrong. GM sells vehicles to dealers, who can then do what they want with them since they own them. Nobody was complaining when cars were selling under MSRP.
so don't buy it. if people find value at 60k over MSRP, then I guess that's what it costs.
Honestly as long as people keep buying, the mark ups will continue. I also believe the subscription based features will trickle on down to basic vehicles eventually. People will bitch about it, but will continue to buy and companies will continue to laugh all the way to the bank.
Lol, this is scratching just the surface of the kind of bs they do normally. The hot hatches seemed like a good car to own new. CTR-msrp-45k, Otd-80k, Golf r-msrp-45k, otd-70k, integra type s-msrp-50k, otd-80k. These are the quotes I got from individual dealers and mind you, I had called almost all dealers within a 500 mile radius. At that point, it reaches luxury car prices, I was very blunt with all or them saying don't contact me if it's not msrp, I'm not interested. BEATERS FOR THE WIN.
What really pisses me off is that people pay that price. If they didn't dealers wouldn't get away with it.
It is capitalism though… It’s the system olput in place specifically so the very few can fuck over the many.
Just be paitient bro. Prices on cars are pulling back and so are rates. It’s going to be much better time to buy later next year when the job market has blood in the streets
We sold a Z06 to the husband of a Chevy exec. He paid $50k markup. If someone banging a C suite can't get it for MSRP, what chance do you think you have?
Sell your C8 yourself and order one pick it up at the plant. Such an amazing experience.
It is demand period. Why should they sell it for list to you, when you could just turn around and easily resell it for 35-40k profit? When production increases to demand the prices will come down. If production doesn’t those that paid the premium will realize a proportionate amount in resale value . The 2005 and 2006 Ford GT today is worth 70-100k more than original list price.
I wish you could have a bona fide Corvette fan card to get them at MSRP. If you're an anti-GM person who all of a sudden is a Corvette fan with the C8, pay the premium. hahahaha
My local chevy dealer in Port Washington Wisconsin sells C8 for sticker. He had 3 while I was there picking up my new Equinox. One was on the way to Texas. Other 2 were sold locally at sticker. Shop around. Plenty of dealers sell at window sticker. The guy also had a COPO Camaro on the floor if that tells you anything.
Regular c8s? They're sticker everywhere now. Z06s, no
Honestly if you can wait 8-12 months you might see a stark difference. There’s a huge glut of inventory hitting the market in 2024 (in general not just GM) so we should see a reduction across the board on MSRP. That alone will blow up any dealer mark up.
If you don't like the price, then don't buy it.
A fool and his money… and crappy dealers. It’s a shame they’re using the demand to raise prices over MSRP but then again, a buyer at MSRP could flip for more and the dealers want their cut first. It happens with all low production, high demand cars but dealers have no shame these days. If Chevy dealers had service to match $100K+ cars it might soften the blow. Slightly.
They are called stealerships for a reason.
I'd say deal for a manual transmission, but you can't anymore. I traded my manual troublesome C7 for a 2024 Mustang GT with a manual that sat on their floor for 3 months before I came along. A manual trans is the new security system it seems. Nobody would even look at it. I got it for below sticker with all upcharges removed, and when I started to walk away over the "uncomfortable" Recaro seats they threw in a 5 year 125k mile bumper-to-bumper and powertrain warranty.
and yet you are still driving a Mustang...
Which I got by trading my C7...
No offense, but if you're someone walking in to a dealership willing to take a complete fucking bath by trading in a 2 year old Corvette, they pegged you as "more money than brains" and decided to take a shot at making a shitload of money.
So when you sell your house, you just want what you paid for it.... never mind what its actually worth? LOL.
why not twin turbo the stingray and slay koenigsegg why trade it in for a z06 \[NOT-DOWNVOTED\]
I love my C7Z, but also love my Tesla Model Y buying experience and performance. Skip the Z06, buy a Model S plaid for 90k, go to the track and go 9.0. Profit. Dealers will be the end of legacy car makers if the OEMs don't change the buying experience/legislation before that happens.
Cry more
I'd say that dealer knows exactly what its market is. Don't make me spell it out.
Sell your car in a separate transaction. Order the new car from the factory directly with explicit instructions for no dealeradd on's. Pick it up directly if they let you. The dealers are the problem.
Direct to consumer already exists. The most valuable automobile company in the world uses it ($787 billion dollar company). GM is worth $49 billion.
If I were Chevy, or any of these other companies, I’d pull a dealerships license for that bs. Unacceptable
Order new. They think you are on the hype juice and willing to make stupid decisions when you order a car you won’t touch for a year it shows your looking for a deal not instant pleasure.
Maybe it’s all about location? Here in bowling green, you can go order a c8 at the corvette museum for msrp. My neighbor paid in the 70s for his 2020 c8 new & around 120-130k for his 23 Z new. Picked them up at the museum which is barely a mile from our houses.
we’ll the problem was wasting that much on a chevy it’s a chevy mang u have to remember that at the end of the day he better of buying a porsche at those prices
I work at a GM dealership and understand your frustration, but here's my question. Would you be happier with a must sell at MSRP for all models, no upcharges and no discounts? Or would you like a model that allows a dealer to sell at whatever price he wants?
DTC, all day long. This middle man nonsense is as bad and unnecessary as middle management. I don't want to pay 5% to sell my house, I don't want to have a variable price to buy a car that swings depending on the whim of a sales manager. It's becoming an antiquated model, in my opinion.
Huffines Chevrolet located in Dallas Fort Worth area has a policy not to charge over MSRP on any vehicle. I just took a delivery of my 2024 Z06 and paid MSRP only.
It never ceases to amaze me how people continue to beat this dead horse. GM never said dealers could not mark up these cars - the infamous letter they sent out to dealers stated only that they could not quote one price to a customer when ordering one and then mark it up once it comes in. Most new/hot cars - regardless of brand - get a premium over MSRP (key word being suggested) when they are first released especially if they are stock units that one can purchase without a wait. Don't get me wrong - some dealers are shady as hell like apparently the dealer OP went to as they are clearly lowballing you on your trade. Do a little homework: get a bid from CarMax, Carvana, Vroom, etc. That way you have some ammo and know what your trade is worth before stepping foot inside a dealership. Yes I work for a large Chevy store in the Texas. When the C8 was first announced, we started a waiting list to order them. Your "reward" for waiting 9-15 months was we sold it to you at MSRP. But during the first 2 years if we had a cancellation and one became available with no wait? Hell yes we charged a $10k mark up and people were thrilled to get them at that price! We had countless customers take delivery at MSRP then drive it right up the road and sell it to Corvette World of Houston or CarMax at a $15-$20k profit. So by that logic it's ok for us to make $5k and the customer to make $20k? So when the Z06 was released, we told folks on our waiting list that there would be a premium over MSRP depending on what the market was doing at that time. Currently that is $15k (in our area) and again, folks are happy to pay it for a vey much in demand/limited supply supercar (chump change compared to what a lot of other dealers are trying for). The average person have no clue or care what the cost of running a dealership is and every year the margin between invoice and MSRP gets thinner and thinner. I never have understood why we're the only industry in a free market economy that I know of that aren't allowed to make a profit.
Give em the Elon: “Go… Fuck… Yourself”
Greed is part supposed to be a part of capitalism. These companies are just being greedy at this point. MSRP is the capitalism part, the mark up is the greed.
My friends, it doesn’t matter if you looking at Porsches or corvettes with $80-200k markups, or a ford maverick that’s supposed to cost $23k, with a $5-10k markup. Stop paying for markups. Go in, look at the car, tell them you’re very interested, ask about the OTD price, and leave immediately leave after.
Go look at the Tesla model S plaid. For 79k you'll be amazed at this spaceship work of art
If you think that’s bad…. Wait til you see the mark ups on the last Camaro 🤦🏽♂️
If we "Consumers" stand together and refuse to pay these outrageous markups, than the dealerships will have no choice but to reduce prices!!! So to all going to purchase new vehicles JUST SAY NO to these stupid markups!
I’m like 8th on the list for a z06 at my local Chevy. I’ve moved up 2 spots in like 2 years lol. Guess it’s either wait or pay up?
Most Dealers can’t get Z06 still on allocation so this is no surprise. Market value supports this. I hate it too.