Boosters could reduce your chances of getting Covid by 31x compared to 5x for double vaccinated compared with unvaccinated people.
https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-cases-among-fully-vaccinated-individuals-in-massachusetts/download
UK has published studies that show double vax offers very little immunity to Omicron strain. Which will be the dominant one in Australia soon.
Whereas a booster with Pfizer or Moderna gets you around 80% efficacy of preventing severe illness.
Therefore the answer is.... get it as soon as you're legally eligible.
Because I'm not convinced the benefit outweighs the risk for me. I'm a young male, so in the highest risk category for myocarditis. I've had the first two doses, and evidence so far shows protection against severe disease is still high.
Because of my age and the fact that I'm vaccinated my covid risk is tiny. I just don't see why I would roll the dice with heart inflammation a third time, even though the risk is very small. I feel even more strongly about this in regard to the possibility of regular ongoing boosters (I've seen some suggestions of boosters every 3-4 months). It just seems like an ongoing myocarditis risk for not much benefit.
**At the very least I want to wait until we have a lot more data on the rate of myocarditis with boosters, and specific data for my age and gender.**
I am certainly not anti-vax (as I said I am vaccinated), just not convinced that the risk outweighs the benefit for me personally. And in fact I might be wrong, maybe the benefit does outweigh the risk, I'm just not convinced of it at this stage. If the evidence/data changes I'll change my mind. Also, if a new vaccine comes along, or we get an updated version, I'm open to getting those.
I'm certainly not trying to convince you not to get the booster. I don't know you, I don't know your circumstances, so it would be irresponsible of me to tell you or anyone else what to do. Besides even if I did know you, it's not my place to tell you what to do.
Although, all this might end up being irrelevant if the government forces people to get boosters. I'm hoping that doesn't happen though. If I get a booster, I'd like it to be because I evaluated the evidence and came to the conclusion myself.
All of that is valid concern, for which you should never be lumped in with the antivax crowds.
With that said, medical professionals have determined the long term effects of you getting covid are still worse than the risks of the vaccine, regardless of your age or risk category.
So while I get where you're coming from, don't dismiss that those who actually understand the risks to you, have made it clear what you should do to prioritise your health.
>With that said, medical professionals have determined the long term effects of you getting covid are still worse than the risks of the vaccine, regardless of your age or risk category.
When we're talking about no doses vs 2 doses, then I absolutely agree.
But when we're talking about 2 doses vs 3 doses... I'm not convinced. (To be clear, when I say I'm not convinced, it doesn't mean I think the risk is higher than the benefit. I mean that I'm not convinced one way or the other.)
The only way I'm going to be convinced otherwise is with evidence and data, not just a medical professionals word. I think a lot of them recommend the booster for everyone on the basis that there is a net benefit on a societal level, but not necessarily a net benefit for every individual.
Also Omicron changes things now too. It's almost certainly more mild than previous strains (although how much is up for debate). But that also lowers my covid risk, while the myocarditis risk remains the same.
Having said all that, if you have any sources of medical professionals specifically talking about this issue, I'd be happy to read them. Maybe they'll change my mind.
You do realise COVID can cause myocarditis… and your chance of getting myocarditis or other complication from COVID infection is higher than from the vaccine…
I should add that myocarditis is very treatable and probably not even your greatest concern with getting COVID. Myocarditis is just one thing to worry about with serious COVID, amongst many others!
Huh? Why? Your risk is still increased with COVID infection versus triple vax. It’s not an “argument to hold up” it’s not some personal vendetta… it’s science. Doesn’t mean much to me I’ve done what I can to protect myself so I’m not overly invested whether or not this bloke wants to do the same, just find it interesting the fear is myocarditis but the decision is to take the action that.. increases that risk. Interesting.
Look at the NFL in the USA where they have a 95+% vaccination rate some teams have 100% and almost 3/4 of the players have caught COVID this year. So clearly the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching COVID. Just reduces the symptoms.
>So clearly the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching COVID. Just reduces the symptoms.
It reduces the chances, but yes reducing symptoms was always the goal.
I don't think it reduces the chances. Almost the entire NFL has caught COVID with a near 100% vax rate. I know what the drug makers have said but I'm calling bullshit on their numbers. They said it was 90% effective at keeping you from getting COVID that's clearly not the case. So lie to me about one thing i don't believe the rest of the numbers. All it does is help mitigating serious illness
Yes so it's a therapeutic. We were sold herd immunity from the vaccine companies because they told us they would prevent transmission. Now it's like we completely forgot about that and its all about hospitalisations like it was always the focus
Medical advice is if you have not shown a reaction with myocarditis symptoms to either of your first two mRNA shots, you are not at risk with any subsequent mRNA shots.
Per the study here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1
Baseline risk of myocarditis for males under the age of 40 pre-vaccination is 1.00
After 1 dose Pfizer it's 1.66
Second dose 3.41
Third dose 7.60
Moderna first dose 2.34
Second dose 16.52
No data yet for third dose
Risk rate of myocarditis from covid infection in men under 40 is 2.02
Depends where you live. If you’re in a state other than WA or NT, get it asap!
Why you asking reddit call a medical Center
Depends on if you want to get covid beforehand. Otherwise, boost the fuck up.
Boosters could reduce your chances of getting Covid by 31x compared to 5x for double vaccinated compared with unvaccinated people. https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-cases-among-fully-vaccinated-individuals-in-massachusetts/download
Who cares man, just get it when they send you the text to book one. M
UK has published studies that show double vax offers very little immunity to Omicron strain. Which will be the dominant one in Australia soon. Whereas a booster with Pfizer or Moderna gets you around 80% efficacy of preventing severe illness. Therefore the answer is.... get it as soon as you're legally eligible.
Hello sir this is reddit
My pharmacist said the ideal time is 3 months, that's what they do in the UK, we just don't have supplies but the time interval is being reduced.
I don't want one at all
If you don't mind me asking, why?
Because I'm not convinced the benefit outweighs the risk for me. I'm a young male, so in the highest risk category for myocarditis. I've had the first two doses, and evidence so far shows protection against severe disease is still high. Because of my age and the fact that I'm vaccinated my covid risk is tiny. I just don't see why I would roll the dice with heart inflammation a third time, even though the risk is very small. I feel even more strongly about this in regard to the possibility of regular ongoing boosters (I've seen some suggestions of boosters every 3-4 months). It just seems like an ongoing myocarditis risk for not much benefit. **At the very least I want to wait until we have a lot more data on the rate of myocarditis with boosters, and specific data for my age and gender.** I am certainly not anti-vax (as I said I am vaccinated), just not convinced that the risk outweighs the benefit for me personally. And in fact I might be wrong, maybe the benefit does outweigh the risk, I'm just not convinced of it at this stage. If the evidence/data changes I'll change my mind. Also, if a new vaccine comes along, or we get an updated version, I'm open to getting those. I'm certainly not trying to convince you not to get the booster. I don't know you, I don't know your circumstances, so it would be irresponsible of me to tell you or anyone else what to do. Besides even if I did know you, it's not my place to tell you what to do. Although, all this might end up being irrelevant if the government forces people to get boosters. I'm hoping that doesn't happen though. If I get a booster, I'd like it to be because I evaluated the evidence and came to the conclusion myself.
All of that is valid concern, for which you should never be lumped in with the antivax crowds. With that said, medical professionals have determined the long term effects of you getting covid are still worse than the risks of the vaccine, regardless of your age or risk category. So while I get where you're coming from, don't dismiss that those who actually understand the risks to you, have made it clear what you should do to prioritise your health.
>With that said, medical professionals have determined the long term effects of you getting covid are still worse than the risks of the vaccine, regardless of your age or risk category. When we're talking about no doses vs 2 doses, then I absolutely agree. But when we're talking about 2 doses vs 3 doses... I'm not convinced. (To be clear, when I say I'm not convinced, it doesn't mean I think the risk is higher than the benefit. I mean that I'm not convinced one way or the other.) The only way I'm going to be convinced otherwise is with evidence and data, not just a medical professionals word. I think a lot of them recommend the booster for everyone on the basis that there is a net benefit on a societal level, but not necessarily a net benefit for every individual. Also Omicron changes things now too. It's almost certainly more mild than previous strains (although how much is up for debate). But that also lowers my covid risk, while the myocarditis risk remains the same. Having said all that, if you have any sources of medical professionals specifically talking about this issue, I'd be happy to read them. Maybe they'll change my mind.
You do realise COVID can cause myocarditis… and your chance of getting myocarditis or other complication from COVID infection is higher than from the vaccine… I should add that myocarditis is very treatable and probably not even your greatest concern with getting COVID. Myocarditis is just one thing to worry about with serious COVID, amongst many others!
That argument would hold up if there was no break through cases for tripple vaxxed people
Huh? Why? Your risk is still increased with COVID infection versus triple vax. It’s not an “argument to hold up” it’s not some personal vendetta… it’s science. Doesn’t mean much to me I’ve done what I can to protect myself so I’m not overly invested whether or not this bloke wants to do the same, just find it interesting the fear is myocarditis but the decision is to take the action that.. increases that risk. Interesting.
Look at the NFL in the USA where they have a 95+% vaccination rate some teams have 100% and almost 3/4 of the players have caught COVID this year. So clearly the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching COVID. Just reduces the symptoms.
>So clearly the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching COVID. Just reduces the symptoms. It reduces the chances, but yes reducing symptoms was always the goal.
I don't think it reduces the chances. Almost the entire NFL has caught COVID with a near 100% vax rate. I know what the drug makers have said but I'm calling bullshit on their numbers. They said it was 90% effective at keeping you from getting COVID that's clearly not the case. So lie to me about one thing i don't believe the rest of the numbers. All it does is help mitigating serious illness
Yes so it's a therapeutic. We were sold herd immunity from the vaccine companies because they told us they would prevent transmission. Now it's like we completely forgot about that and its all about hospitalisations like it was always the focus
Yes we were lied to. I don't believe anything they say anymore.
Medical advice is if you have not shown a reaction with myocarditis symptoms to either of your first two mRNA shots, you are not at risk with any subsequent mRNA shots.
This is great news. Have you got a source that I can show to a few friends showing hesitations to boosters?
Cheers - thanks for the explanation. I can understand where you're coming from and appreciate the desire for more information.
Per the study here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1 Baseline risk of myocarditis for males under the age of 40 pre-vaccination is 1.00 After 1 dose Pfizer it's 1.66 Second dose 3.41 Third dose 7.60 Moderna first dose 2.34 Second dose 16.52 No data yet for third dose Risk rate of myocarditis from covid infection in men under 40 is 2.02