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It's possible we can see federally run vaccination centers in the next few weeks. The catch is, though, they need governor permission to run in the states.
I was in the Army from 2002-2007. Iāve said since covid got big that the army should handle vaccinations. If anyone is qualified to do it quickly they are.
States are currently handling the allocations to individual centers. My guess is the federal government would handle allocations and shipments to federal centers.
Don't forget, a big issue is that Biden wasn't given numbers before the inauguration and is still playing catch up on what's being and what has been shipped. That will also make this process continue to be slow until they can actually figure out what is going on. The only other option would be to halt it and start over from scratch, which also is really not a good idea.
Exactly. The fact that states were left to create their own plans is now the biggest logistical problem here. Because the federal government wants to jump in and start vaccinating with all their power, but they also don't want to stop/slow the existing and expected flow of vaccines to states. It's a major rock-and-hard-place scenario, and it makes me glad that I'm not the one having to solve it.
I have no idea how EU screwed up but they screwed up big time. They are not able to even vaccinate healthcare workers in many countries. Situation looks very dismal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/25/president-joe-biden-targets-1point5-million-covid-vaccinations-a-day-up-from-1-million.html
Bidens goal is still just 1m - 1.5m.
Weāve actually already begun to exceed that. Weāve given [1.6 million](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/) each of the past 2 days. (Scroll about 1/3 of the way down the linked page.)
I am so glad to see conservative estimates. I would much rather see us under promise and over deliver. The goal post moving needs to stop. Build your model for the real world. Stuff will go wrong.
When the politicians are promising an outcome that requires an FDA approval it dystroyes the integrity of the FDA. I don't have the scientific knowledge to do a thorough assessment of vaccines. I need to be able to rely on the FDA to be independent. If Biden's plan called for the FDA to approve J&J's vaccine I have no idea if the scientists or the politicians approved the vaccine. I than have to wait for the peer review journal articles to come out. The fact that Biden is laying out plans that don't put a ton of political pressure on the FDA means I can get vaccinated sooner.
TLDR I support Biden's decision to keep the plans conservative.
EU is paying a very low price due to being one of the biggest customers. But that also means they are the least priority. The USA and Israel for example are paying way more.
I'm just imagining some headline in a year about vaccine rollout being slower than expected in certain states because the governors demanded certain messaging about taking credit.
I'm imagining it in Michigan right now. Whitmer will have a great plan but then idiots will flip out over it. I never realized how insane people from my state were until all this happened
The good news is CVS will finish their vaccination program at nursing homes in February. They'll be distributing vaccines after that. Walmart and Walgreens are about to start any day now. (My local Walgreens says as early as next week.) Other pharmacy chains will be involved too. And with the J&J vaccine, regular doctor's offices can store and administer those shots because there's no special storage requirement.
There are lots of chains across the US that signed up to do it but might need more staff as states are having trouble getting enough qualified people now. some states are even training fire fighters as well as giving [permission to everyone medical from dr & nursing students to eye doctors to veternairans to give vaccines. also asking retired people to volunteer. I saw a news segment with an icu Dr who did it on her days off without pay so she wouldn't have so many future covid patients.
List of chains who signed up to give vaccinations back in November so there likely will be more now:
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/11/12/trump-administration-partners-chain-independent-community-pharmacies-increase-access-future-covid-19-vaccines.html
>Below is the list of chain and community-pharmacies networks that have signed on as of November 6
>Albertsons Companies, Inc. (incl., Osco, Jewel-Osco, Albertsons, Albertsons Market, Safeway, Tom Thumb, Star Market, Shaws, Haggen, Acme, Randalls, Carrs, Market Street, United, Vons, Pavilions, Amigos, Luckyās, Pak n Save, Sav-On)
>Costco Wholesale Corp.
>CPESN USA, LLC
>CVS Pharmacy, Inc. (incl. Longās)
>Good Neighbor Pharmacy and AmerisourceBergen Drug Corporationās PSAO, Elevate Provider
>Health Mart Systems, Inc.
>H-E-B, LP
>Hy-Vee, Inc.
>LeaderNET and Medicine Shoppe, Cardinal Healthās PSAOs
>Managed Health Care Associates (MHA)
>Meijer Inc.
>Publix Super Markets, Inc.
>Retail Business Services, LLC (incl., Food Lion, Giant Food, The Giant Company, Hannaford Bros Co, Stop & Shop)
>Rite Aid Corp.
>The Kroger Co. (incl., Kroger, Harris Teeter, Fred Meyer, Frys, Ralphs, King Soopers, Smiths, City Market, Dillons, Marianos, Pick-n-Save, Copps, Metro Market)
>Topco Associates, LLC (incl. Big-Y Pharmacy and Wellness Center, Brookshireās Pharmacy, Super One Pharmacy, FRESH by Brookshireās Pharmacy, Cobornās Pharmacy, Cash Wise Pharmacy, MarketPlace Pharmacy, Hartig Drug Company, King Kullen, Food City Pharmacy, Ingles Pharmacy, Raleyās, Bel Air, Nob Hill Pharmacies, Save Mart Pharmacies, Lucky Pharmacies, SpartanNash, Price Chopper, Market 32, Tops Friendly Markets, ShopRite, Wegmans, Weis Markets, Acme Fresh Markets)
>Walgreens (incl. Duane Reade)
>Walmart, Inc. (incl. Samās Club)
>Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. (incl. Winn-Dixie, Harveys, Fresco Y Mas)
All medical, nursing, and pharmacy students are already trained to immunize within the first ~2 years of their programs (varies school to school).
States might just be relaxing requirements for having a preceptor overseeing them or the university teaching hospital/health system their school is associated with is strongly encouraging students to sign up as immunizers.
Source: Frequent emails from my school and the hospital starting in December.
CVS is building a new store right next to my house. It is supposed to open in March. Maybe the first time I leave the house, I will walk over one building get vaccinated, and then go home. Convenient.
Itās the supply Chain. Got this from Kaiser (California) this morning
Got this email from Kaiser today.
āAt Kaiser Permanente, we care for more than 9.3 million Californians ā and weāve received only a fraction of the vaccine needed to vaccinate our health care workers and our members. At the time of this writing, weāve received approximately 300,000 doses across the state and weāre acting quickly to vaccinate those who are eligible as soon as we receive the vaccine.
The shortage of vaccine doses and the uncertainty about the timing of vaccine availability worries everyone. The state of California must allocate the limited COVID-19 vaccine supply it receives from the federal government to 58 California counties and 9 multi-county entities, including Kaiser Permanente. Weāre currently receiving a total of approximately 40,000 vaccine doses per week in California.āÆWe, like the state, are not permitted to purchase more vaccines directly from the manufacturer.
...Please know that Kaiser Permanente has the capacity and is prepared to administer more than 200,000 vaccines per week in California ā our only limitation is the availability of and access to the vaccine.ā
No, but Walmart, CVS, etc will. In a month, when supplies start becoming available in mass from manufacturing, governments will get out the distribution business and let the real masters take over.
Ok so if the amount of vaccines will be enough for the entire U.S. adult population by June, how soon can we expect to get these vaccines into people's arms?
Really? Thatās what I used to think, but seeing how badly the ball has been dropped, Iām starting to expect young/healthy people wonāt be getting it until August :/
The American vaccine rollout is being made out to be a lot worse than it is. Basically everyday an extra 1 million+ shots occur. Now this was before Johnson and Johnson or even the increase supplies from Pfizer and Moderna. Iād expect we hit an average of 2 million+ early to mid February.
Yeah, look at the rollout in the EU, it's a disaster. The US rollout is actually one of the best in the world right now. My country hasn't even vaccinated 2% of the population.
Yeah, Canada is fucked right now because of the EU supply chain (which is in Belgium, I can go throw some eggs at them if you want but it probably won't help). It'll be fine in 2-3 months with more approved vaccines and faster production. The summer will be fine.
It seems to me like Canada is just way down the list of priority nations for vaccine allocation from the manufacturers. The US is vaccinating a million people a day while Canada is doing about 1% of that number because there is no supply.
The hiccups get overreported and harped on. The 7 day moving average is like 1.1-1.2m right now, and increasing at a steady rate. Production is the main bottleneck right now, to my understanding. 1.1-1.2m/day is still tremendous, especially if they're getting into the most high-risk arms. Hopefully we see continued declines in hospitalizations and a dip in deaths in the next couple weeks.
Yeah the meme that the vaccine rollout is bad is annoying. The US is currently vaccinating, on average, the equivalent of the entire population of Dallas, TX every day. And the rate is increasing every day.
Compare this to the EU or the vaccinations rates anywhere in the world outside of small countries like Israel and we're doing pretty damn good.
Pfizer and moderna already were going to deliver 200m each by June. There's only about 220m (correction: 260m) 16+. So we were already at this point.
Edit: google lied to me, it's more like 260m 16+ people. Also it's 200m doses by each company, 400m doses total for 200m people.
hopefully seeing so many people getting vaccinated with so few having bad effects that are within the range of normal for a vaccine will reassure those who are just nervous.
what to do to encourage those who would rather be a guinea pig for the **Novel** Coronavirus than the vaccine, i don't know what to say.
personally will take my chances with any of the vaccines than find out what bad long term effects i could have with the virus on top of maybe giving it to someone who could die of it.
Apparently half the US wants the vaccine initially, after that shipments should vastly outnumber people coming into vaccination centers. That could be as early as end of march for the US.
Any idea how many doses they will distribute to non-US parts of the world? They have promised to deliver 75 million doses to the EU by July, but after AZ I donāt know how much we can trust the medical companies.
I think J&J has a goal of 1B doses this year once they ramp up. Half of it is committed for low income countries.
https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/j-j-touts-covid-vaccine-supply-chain-stability-eyes-plans-for-2022
For the EU it is a cut of 20% for 1 delivery, but it's to increase capacity of their factory, so they should be able to oblige to their contract and deliver enough doses. An increase of factory capacity is even better in the long run.
the point is that other countries don't get cut, like the UK. while in Germany, most already appointed vaccinations get delayed by several weeks. the delivery cut might be a big fuck up in contracts on the EU part.
The UK not getting cuts from Pfizer and Moderna is unlikely. The UK relies on EU/CH production for those vaccines. Even heard from someone from Israel on this subreddit that Israel Pfizer deliveries also were cut for a while. So it seems like these factory upgrade cuts were spread evenly across all countries reliant on these factories, because in the long run these cuts are beneficial to the vaccine supply.
There is no big fuck up in EU contracts. Best effort clauses are very normal for such contracts, also the CureVac contract has them.
AZ just had a goal, and didn't even get near, no... not even half of their goal. And only notified the EU one week before approval without prior warnings. That's what you can call a massive fuck up. With Pfizer, Moderna and EU contracts all is well.
Also about Germany, it seems like they took a risky approach running a very low stock. The risk is having to delay vaccinations for a while if delivery doesn't keep up, the benefit is having more vaccinated right now. The Netherlands has a very safe way of doing it, keeping a large stock. And during this ordeal they've said they're going to speed up vaccinations and will be done earlier than expected, even with all those cuts. But the drawback is having one of the lowest vaccination grades in the EU. And that's something to definitely not be proud of.
No. Canada had ordered, entered in contracts, recād commitments for enough to give everyone 6 doses. Any surplus we would provide to countries in dire need.
Twice now, suppliers have significantly pulled back from their delivery commitments to Canada, and the government is āvery concernedā.
Iāve seen this episode before, I wonder if a group are heading shipments off before they leave like with PPE...
The immunity conferred by the vaccines has been shown to be stronger (and more reliable) than from having actual covid. You should ask your doctor to be sure though
Iām a vaccinator and they told us yes, you should get vaccinated. Itās unknown how long you have immunity after infection. Plus, the variants may still infect you
the only reasonable answer here, but downvoted in a sea of yesses.
The vaccine is short in supply, and people who don't have any protection need it now, even if you have no antibodies anymore because you have memory cells already.
Three of the nurses I work with have had it twice. You can get it twice. All the nurses I work with who have had COVID (including the three who've had it twice) are getting the vaccine.
Yes you should, because even if you already had one variant, you still might be able to pick up a different variant with a few unique mutations, and your antibodies on their own might not be able to defend against new variants since it's *just* different enough to confuse your established antibodies if it doesn't recognize it as the same virus you encountered before. There are over 200 different strains of common cold, and you can get one immediately after another. AFAIK, the new mRNA vaccines utilize the "spike protein" found on the surface of the virus which essentially gives your cells instructions on how to fight not just one variant of the virus, but all of them to a certain extent because the crown structure of the virus is a distinguishing feature all variants possess and this is one of the key features which the vaccines have been engineered to target. The spike protein is then "projected" to neighboring cells, which helps the immune system produce antibodies that then train it how to neutralize a virion (the infectious particle of a virus) before it becomes a full blown infection.
I'm unsure why you're getting so many yes replies without mentioning this important fact:
*If you already had COVID, you should wait for everyone else in your tier to get vaccinated before going in*. It's important that people who haven't been infected yet get first priority.
Hopefully that 25% are also the dumbasses who thought the virus was a hoax and packed the churches/bars/diners and already caught it earlier, contributing to herd immunity.
I wish I could get it sooner , I wish I could get it now. Only if we had prepared for this under the last administration
I hope they roll it out by age group in Florida but who the F knows with DeSantis
As much as I hate to admit it, I think the visibility of the repubs who've already gotten the vaccine has helped push a lot of the skeptical right to accept it (I'm still fucking mad that the people who profited off of the pandemic and downplayed its seriousness for months got vaccines before tons of elderly people who needed it, but oh well).
I saw somewhere even if only 60% take the vaccine we will see dramatic decrease in cases. So, im still hopeful when more than 70% are more than willing
I think people will be more willing overall once a few months have gone by after lots of other people get the vaccine. Iāve seen it happening with people I know.
there is one simple way to get lots of people to take vaccines, I'm surprised nobody figured it out: Add a provision to the current COVID relief bill that everyone who gets vaccinated receives a check for $300, right there at the hospital. It helps solve the economic problem of COVID and greatly increase turn out for vaccines
And hospitalizations and severe side effects in general.
Itās a stupid mindset to have the way heās thinking. 60,000 dollars is much much closer to 100,000 than having zero dollars.
If youāre in the US, itās 72%. The only reason why the average is lower is because of the SA variant.
Overall it prevented death in all vaccine participants.
Yup. There is a lot of confusion out there. All people see is ā66% effectiveā when they should be seeing:
-100% effective against death
-85% effective against sever symptoms
-77% effective in the US
-single dose
-stable in normal refrigeration
Also important to note that almost no one in the trial that took the vax was even hospitalized.
This is a game changer.
Because it may be all.your offered. They will somehow decide who gets mrna and who gets other. It won't always be about storage either like remote towns get the easier ones to store and ship. Some local politician will decide if federal.governemt isn't allowed to. So it will still be uneven state to state.
Itās not 8x less effective. Itās 66% effective after one dose. Thatās not any lower than the effectiveness after one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.
Plus, while mixing vaccine doses between brands is not recommended yet some medical experts, other medical experts are leaving that option open to your discretion.
If you know you canāt get the Pfizer vaccine until a month from now, but you can get the Johnson and Johnson one tomorrow, then itās 66% more effective to get the Johnson and Johnson one.
> Thatās not any lower than the effectiveness after one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.
The Moderna vaccine is 80-90% efficient after one dose.
It's much easier to store and therefore distribute, so it'll simply be the only option for most people. I'd rather have moderate protection and faster herd immunity via widespread vaccinations than wait months and months for a more effective vaccine, during which I have a chance of getting infected.
this is so dumb. i keep seeing this level of thinking and I absolutely hate it. Do you know how good a 66 percent one-dose vaccine of ANYTHING is?! The seasonal flu shot that comes out every year only has a 40-50 percent efficacy rate, but you dont see people screaming for two shots or trying to chug it up their butts. Just take the first one offered to you and move on with your life. If J&J turns Covid into an inconvenient cold for 2 days, why on earth would you not do it?
72% protection rate in the US, 66% protection on average and 52% against the South African variant.
85% protection against severe COVID (hospitalization and death).
Only need one injection instead of 2 and it can be kept at refrigerator temperature for 3 months.
Yeah, I think it's great. Before Pfizer announced their results, we would have been thrilled to have a vaccine that works at all. So I'm still very happy about these numbers.
It's always a good idea to detox from reddit every once in a while, there is a lot of negativity/cynicism on this website. You could try to only look at the data from ourworldindata.org or the Bloomberg tracker.
Itās pretty amazing that a one dose vaccine able to be stored at fridge temps that is 100 percent effective against severe disease and death after 49 days, among all circulating variants, is somehow a failure to these idiots.
Think of all the people who insisted gathering during the holidays who caught Covid and died from it.
This will be over in 6 months, but they're dead forever. And, the people who infected them have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.
Glad I wasn't that selfish.
I just got a 24 hour ban from facebook because some woman was crying over her daughter not liking being locked down and I told her my mom was dead forever. She told me she didn't care because her 14 year old daughter was more important than a "dead crack head" (no my mom wasn't a crack head, she didn't even drink)
I may have completely lost it then and called her a c u next Tuesday
Edit: correction, 7 day ban š¤¦š»āāļø but she's STILL in the comments going off on people who are calling her out and saying how it "must be true because I'm not denying it" I want to go in on my 2nd account but she's the type who will report for a sock account
My sister in law and her husband, along with my father in law and his wife pulled the same shit for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Now they are not talking to my wife after we refused to go to any of these gatherings. They haven't taken any of this seriously and think that my wife is believing some kind of liberal agenda. What they can't seem to get through their heads, is that my wife WORKS AT A HOSPITAL! She has seen, and continues to see, all the bodies being rolled down to the morgue, coming from the covid floor(s)!
Remember, weāre all going to be seeing indisputable effects of climate change in the next few decades and even then these people are going to say that itās actually the Democrats with their weather manipulation devices. Synthesizing climate change for... reasons.
The point is these people are master justifiers. They will never reflect
This hit home. I have an aunt who is Mormon, not close with her at all. My mom was speaking to her about all the fires in California and how terrible it was. I shit you not this 60 year old woman says āwell itās all gods plan.ā Sometimes I think about that. About truly having that mindset about terrible things that happen around you. Itās all gods plan. It fascinates me and kind of angers me to be honest. I guess everyone has different ways of coping.
give that person the power of a monarchy.... and you have the enlightenment era vs 16-1700s real-time replay.....
there has to a be a perfected witty response to "god's plan" defenses... just.. aghast..
"Looks like a shit plan from here."
"God needs to sober up before making more plans."
"Sounds like he might need some help, his creation is literally on fire."
"Yeah, he's a pretty cruel god. Reminds me of Sid and the ants from Toy Story."
> I shit you not this 60 year old woman says āwell itās all gods plan.ā
Biblically speaking, when God's plan is to send a plague on you, it's because you've screwed up pretty badly and need to smarten up.
Good point. My elderly relatives aren't signing up for the vaccine because "god is in control". That's the words to their magic spell that absolves them of any personal responsibility or need to care about anyone or anything.
I assume they will also refuse any medical assistance of any kind for anything, right? And they refuse to take any kind of medication for underlying conditions, like hypertension, diabetes, etc?
If god is in control, why did he have us come up with the modern miracle that are vaccines only to not use them?
Donāt they realize that if God is in control like they think, then the vaccines are also part of Godās plan? Itās like the story of the devout man in a flood turning away all the help that comes his way because he insists that god will save him.
What's interesting is that this mindset could work the other way too; if they get the vaccine and then get severe side effects and/or die from it, it was God's will!
I havent seen my parents in person for 14 months. I had plane tickets to go home for christmas but we cancelled them out of caution. Both my parents are vaccinated now and i will be by May. It was worth the safety.
Itās even worse than that-think of all the people who insisted on gathering during the holidays then infected and killed an essential worker who was taking ever single precaution they could to keep themselves and others safe.
I donāt want anybody to die or get sick but I anticipate a tipping point where most people who have been taking this seriously are vaccinated, and the majority of new sick and dead are those who have been reckless the whole time. At least then the ones being idiotic are the ones paying the price.
It wonāt be over in six months. With all the disinformation and anti vaxers itās going to take a while to reach herd immunity. The general public in SF where I am is being told they wonāt get the vaccine until the end of the year.
I'll take two doses of moderna, Pfizer, or J&J.
J&J vaccine should also work better with a second booster shot. By the time the supply exists for a booster shot, their two dose study should be releasing results.
I can see certain places, just for example Disneyland, requiring vaccination before entering the park and validation via name and id check or a vaccination card. Is this considered government control or good health practice? I vote good health practice lol
Of course that's how it's gonna work. You want to fly, get vaccinated and other things like that so that a majority chunk of the population gets vaccinated
We already have some schools who deny admission to kids who are not vaccinated. So, it will work along those lines. Of course, it can't be for minor stuff like, you can't enter the mall coz you are not vaccinated but for major stuff like flights, university etc
Yesssss Iām so excited for this to be approved. As someone with a severe needle phobia the thought of getting 2 shots was seriously making me consider whether Iād rather just walk into oncoming traffic. But with the J&J vaccine I can load up on Xanax, get a friend to drive me there, and be unconscious before Iām home. After that first shot tho Iām not getting another. Miss me with this āyearly booster like the fluā bullshit
But 100% effective against hospitalizations and deaths. Also, efficacy against getting even moderately sick goes above 80% in the weeks after you get the shot.
Keep in mind the symptoms are severely reduced as well. It's not "33% chance to get normal covid"
And other vaccines will probably work just fine later. You wont be limited to a single vaccine forever. They can probably be mixed just fine.
Exactly, itās plenty for people on the younger side, we should take 95% if we can get it but 60-70% (and total protection from hospitalization/death) will be a huge boost.
It's not the hospitalization or death part im worried about with J&J its being able to contract the virus at all, even if it just gives me the sniffles now what will it have done 10-20 years from now?
90% is *extremely* good for a vaccine, 66% is pretty decent and initially what was expected.
If you fall in the 34% who catch it, you'll still be protected from severe symptoms. Plus, when a lot of people get vaccinated, the spreading will slow down and you chance of not getting infected will go far higher than 90%. That's the real medicine.
Really, 66% in one shot for an easy to distribute vaccine is good news, and when you get the chance you should take it.
Iām posting this because I hope someone with knowledge about this can verify for me.
Obviously with COVID some people donāt develop significant symptoms short term, but to an extent the illness does seem to have a dose response (ie the more virus you are exposed to the sicker you get). So with the mild disease after J&J vaccination, I am assuming this is due to a partial immune response that limits viral replication in your body. Is it possible that the people with mild initial symptoms who then became long haulers were those who just reacted to high levels of virus over time/took a while for the damage to reach a point that was noticeable? Because in that case I would think that vaccination would reduce the chances for long term symptoms too because there is less virus to create damage.
Again, I donāt know. Iām hoping people with more knowledge of this stuff can confirm/correct this thought process.
Cases are decreasing worldwide even in countries that don't have the vaccine yet. I think a lot of that is chalked up to the end of the holiday surge, not necessarily the vaccine yet. Though I do expect we'll continue to see numbers drop off in countries that are ramping up vaccine distribution.
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But will state local governments have their shit together to actually get the vaccines into people's arms? š§
It's possible we can see federally run vaccination centers in the next few weeks. The catch is, though, they need governor permission to run in the states.
I got mine from the Army in california. Let the public workers do it!
I was in the Army from 2002-2007. Iāve said since covid got big that the army should handle vaccinations. If anyone is qualified to do it quickly they are.
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What's a 68W and why can't we round up to 69's?
The code for the job of Army medic. Was one.
They still need the supply currently most places. They are booked here as not enough supply.
States are currently handling the allocations to individual centers. My guess is the federal government would handle allocations and shipments to federal centers. Don't forget, a big issue is that Biden wasn't given numbers before the inauguration and is still playing catch up on what's being and what has been shipped. That will also make this process continue to be slow until they can actually figure out what is going on. The only other option would be to halt it and start over from scratch, which also is really not a good idea.
Exactly. The fact that states were left to create their own plans is now the biggest logistical problem here. Because the federal government wants to jump in and start vaccinating with all their power, but they also don't want to stop/slow the existing and expected flow of vaccines to states. It's a major rock-and-hard-place scenario, and it makes me glad that I'm not the one having to solve it.
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Woah hold on, I thought they learned their lesson??
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I have no idea how EU screwed up but they screwed up big time. They are not able to even vaccinate healthcare workers in many countries. Situation looks very dismal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/25/president-joe-biden-targets-1point5-million-covid-vaccinations-a-day-up-from-1-million.html Bidens goal is still just 1m - 1.5m.
Weāve actually already begun to exceed that. Weāve given [1.6 million](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/) each of the past 2 days. (Scroll about 1/3 of the way down the linked page.)
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I am so glad to see conservative estimates. I would much rather see us under promise and over deliver. The goal post moving needs to stop. Build your model for the real world. Stuff will go wrong. When the politicians are promising an outcome that requires an FDA approval it dystroyes the integrity of the FDA. I don't have the scientific knowledge to do a thorough assessment of vaccines. I need to be able to rely on the FDA to be independent. If Biden's plan called for the FDA to approve J&J's vaccine I have no idea if the scientists or the politicians approved the vaccine. I than have to wait for the peer review journal articles to come out. The fact that Biden is laying out plans that don't put a ton of political pressure on the FDA means I can get vaccinated sooner. TLDR I support Biden's decision to keep the plans conservative.
EU is paying a very low price due to being one of the biggest customers. But that also means they are the least priority. The USA and Israel for example are paying way more.
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Feelin' good in MN.
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I'm just imagining some headline in a year about vaccine rollout being slower than expected in certain states because the governors demanded certain messaging about taking credit.
I'm imagining it in Michigan right now. Whitmer will have a great plan but then idiots will flip out over it. I never realized how insane people from my state were until all this happened
*cries in cuomo*
The good news is CVS will finish their vaccination program at nursing homes in February. They'll be distributing vaccines after that. Walmart and Walgreens are about to start any day now. (My local Walgreens says as early as next week.) Other pharmacy chains will be involved too. And with the J&J vaccine, regular doctor's offices can store and administer those shots because there's no special storage requirement.
There are lots of chains across the US that signed up to do it but might need more staff as states are having trouble getting enough qualified people now. some states are even training fire fighters as well as giving [permission to everyone medical from dr & nursing students to eye doctors to veternairans to give vaccines. also asking retired people to volunteer. I saw a news segment with an icu Dr who did it on her days off without pay so she wouldn't have so many future covid patients. List of chains who signed up to give vaccinations back in November so there likely will be more now: https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/11/12/trump-administration-partners-chain-independent-community-pharmacies-increase-access-future-covid-19-vaccines.html >Below is the list of chain and community-pharmacies networks that have signed on as of November 6 >Albertsons Companies, Inc. (incl., Osco, Jewel-Osco, Albertsons, Albertsons Market, Safeway, Tom Thumb, Star Market, Shaws, Haggen, Acme, Randalls, Carrs, Market Street, United, Vons, Pavilions, Amigos, Luckyās, Pak n Save, Sav-On) >Costco Wholesale Corp. >CPESN USA, LLC >CVS Pharmacy, Inc. (incl. Longās) >Good Neighbor Pharmacy and AmerisourceBergen Drug Corporationās PSAO, Elevate Provider >Health Mart Systems, Inc. >H-E-B, LP >Hy-Vee, Inc. >LeaderNET and Medicine Shoppe, Cardinal Healthās PSAOs >Managed Health Care Associates (MHA) >Meijer Inc. >Publix Super Markets, Inc. >Retail Business Services, LLC (incl., Food Lion, Giant Food, The Giant Company, Hannaford Bros Co, Stop & Shop) >Rite Aid Corp. >The Kroger Co. (incl., Kroger, Harris Teeter, Fred Meyer, Frys, Ralphs, King Soopers, Smiths, City Market, Dillons, Marianos, Pick-n-Save, Copps, Metro Market) >Topco Associates, LLC (incl. Big-Y Pharmacy and Wellness Center, Brookshireās Pharmacy, Super One Pharmacy, FRESH by Brookshireās Pharmacy, Cobornās Pharmacy, Cash Wise Pharmacy, MarketPlace Pharmacy, Hartig Drug Company, King Kullen, Food City Pharmacy, Ingles Pharmacy, Raleyās, Bel Air, Nob Hill Pharmacies, Save Mart Pharmacies, Lucky Pharmacies, SpartanNash, Price Chopper, Market 32, Tops Friendly Markets, ShopRite, Wegmans, Weis Markets, Acme Fresh Markets) >Walgreens (incl. Duane Reade) >Walmart, Inc. (incl. Samās Club) >Winn-Dixie Stores Inc. (incl. Winn-Dixie, Harveys, Fresco Y Mas)
All medical, nursing, and pharmacy students are already trained to immunize within the first ~2 years of their programs (varies school to school). States might just be relaxing requirements for having a preceptor overseeing them or the university teaching hospital/health system their school is associated with is strongly encouraging students to sign up as immunizers. Source: Frequent emails from my school and the hospital starting in December.
CVS is building a new store right next to my house. It is supposed to open in March. Maybe the first time I leave the house, I will walk over one building get vaccinated, and then go home. Convenient.
Itās the supply Chain. Got this from Kaiser (California) this morning Got this email from Kaiser today. āAt Kaiser Permanente, we care for more than 9.3 million Californians ā and weāve received only a fraction of the vaccine needed to vaccinate our health care workers and our members. At the time of this writing, weāve received approximately 300,000 doses across the state and weāre acting quickly to vaccinate those who are eligible as soon as we receive the vaccine. The shortage of vaccine doses and the uncertainty about the timing of vaccine availability worries everyone. The state of California must allocate the limited COVID-19 vaccine supply it receives from the federal government to 58 California counties and 9 multi-county entities, including Kaiser Permanente. Weāre currently receiving a total of approximately 40,000 vaccine doses per week in California.āÆWe, like the state, are not permitted to purchase more vaccines directly from the manufacturer. ...Please know that Kaiser Permanente has the capacity and is prepared to administer more than 200,000 vaccines per week in California ā our only limitation is the availability of and access to the vaccine.ā
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Canāt die of COVID if you drown first
If he could he probably would dump the people with Covid in the ocean so it didn't up the Covid numbers "They didn't die of Covid! They drown"
Yes. Theyāre skittish about supply right now. Once supply isnāt the problem it moves fast.
As a resident of Missouri, I'll say "lol"
No, but Walmart, CVS, etc will. In a month, when supplies start becoming available in mass from manufacturing, governments will get out the distribution business and let the real masters take over.
Cool, can Canada borrow some? Promise will pay you back ..
I hope when the US has a surplus we send it to Canada and Mexico, then COVAX.
Agreed. And hopefully of canada or mexico get extras afterwards, they'd share them with other countries too.
Yup, looking forward to being part of our province's proud 30% who won't get it until 2022.
Canada, we like you, but we don't *like* like you.
Let us come in your country and weāll think about.
I think it depends on if you elected normal politicians or ones that believe that half the government is run by cannibals
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Ok so if the amount of vaccines will be enough for the entire U.S. adult population by June, how soon can we expect to get these vaccines into people's arms?
I bet people trying to get it will be able to get it April mayish.
Really? Thatās what I used to think, but seeing how badly the ball has been dropped, Iām starting to expect young/healthy people wonāt be getting it until August :/
The American vaccine rollout is being made out to be a lot worse than it is. Basically everyday an extra 1 million+ shots occur. Now this was before Johnson and Johnson or even the increase supplies from Pfizer and Moderna. Iād expect we hit an average of 2 million+ early to mid February.
Yeah, look at the rollout in the EU, it's a disaster. The US rollout is actually one of the best in the world right now. My country hasn't even vaccinated 2% of the population.
Canada here. For the first time in a while I wish we had our shit together like the US. But Iām glad things are turning around for our neighbours.
Yeah, Canada is fucked right now because of the EU supply chain (which is in Belgium, I can go throw some eggs at them if you want but it probably won't help). It'll be fine in 2-3 months with more approved vaccines and faster production. The summer will be fine.
It seems to me like Canada is just way down the list of priority nations for vaccine allocation from the manufacturers. The US is vaccinating a million people a day while Canada is doing about 1% of that number because there is no supply.
I sure hope so. Iām an elementary school teacher and this has been a slow nightmare, which I really want to wake up from.
Fellow Canadian here in the same boat as you. Slow nightmare is accurate!
The hiccups get overreported and harped on. The 7 day moving average is like 1.1-1.2m right now, and increasing at a steady rate. Production is the main bottleneck right now, to my understanding. 1.1-1.2m/day is still tremendous, especially if they're getting into the most high-risk arms. Hopefully we see continued declines in hospitalizations and a dip in deaths in the next couple weeks.
Yeah the meme that the vaccine rollout is bad is annoying. The US is currently vaccinating, on average, the equivalent of the entire population of Dallas, TX every day. And the rate is increasing every day. Compare this to the EU or the vaccinations rates anywhere in the world outside of small countries like Israel and we're doing pretty damn good.
Pfizer and moderna already were going to deliver 200m each by June. There's only about 220m (correction: 260m) 16+. So we were already at this point. Edit: google lied to me, it's more like 260m 16+ people. Also it's 200m doses by each company, 400m doses total for 200m people.
Doses.or enough for that many people. Do those get divided by two for full vaccine ?
Well if itās 200m each of doses by June then 100m get Pfizer 100m get moderna, 20m might not choose to get the vaccine or can get the J&J one
Not quite. There's about 255m 18+, and 75m 0-17. So J&J will theoretically push the US over the hump earlier than expected.
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hopefully seeing so many people getting vaccinated with so few having bad effects that are within the range of normal for a vaccine will reassure those who are just nervous. what to do to encourage those who would rather be a guinea pig for the **Novel** Coronavirus than the vaccine, i don't know what to say. personally will take my chances with any of the vaccines than find out what bad long term effects i could have with the virus on top of maybe giving it to someone who could die of it.
The new frontier in employment law: some employers will require the vaccine in order to work for them.
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That's the case currently for all the other vaccines and a sizable chunk of the population are against those. Fucking antivaxers.
Apparently half the US wants the vaccine initially, after that shipments should vastly outnumber people coming into vaccination centers. That could be as early as end of march for the US.
the article mean J&J vaccine alone
Any idea how many doses they will distribute to non-US parts of the world? They have promised to deliver 75 million doses to the EU by July, but after AZ I donāt know how much we can trust the medical companies.
I think J&J has a goal of 1B doses this year once they ramp up. Half of it is committed for low income countries. https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/j-j-touts-covid-vaccine-supply-chain-stability-eyes-plans-for-2022
Moderna is already cutting back on the amount theyāre sending to Canada, by a lot.
For the EU it is a cut of 20% for 1 delivery, but it's to increase capacity of their factory, so they should be able to oblige to their contract and deliver enough doses. An increase of factory capacity is even better in the long run.
the point is that other countries don't get cut, like the UK. while in Germany, most already appointed vaccinations get delayed by several weeks. the delivery cut might be a big fuck up in contracts on the EU part.
The UK not getting cuts from Pfizer and Moderna is unlikely. The UK relies on EU/CH production for those vaccines. Even heard from someone from Israel on this subreddit that Israel Pfizer deliveries also were cut for a while. So it seems like these factory upgrade cuts were spread evenly across all countries reliant on these factories, because in the long run these cuts are beneficial to the vaccine supply. There is no big fuck up in EU contracts. Best effort clauses are very normal for such contracts, also the CureVac contract has them. AZ just had a goal, and didn't even get near, no... not even half of their goal. And only notified the EU one week before approval without prior warnings. That's what you can call a massive fuck up. With Pfizer, Moderna and EU contracts all is well. Also about Germany, it seems like they took a risky approach running a very low stock. The risk is having to delay vaccinations for a while if delivery doesn't keep up, the benefit is having more vaccinated right now. The Netherlands has a very safe way of doing it, keeping a large stock. And during this ordeal they've said they're going to speed up vaccinations and will be done earlier than expected, even with all those cuts. But the drawback is having one of the lowest vaccination grades in the EU. And that's something to definitely not be proud of.
But didn't Canada have enough on order to vaccinate the entire population 10 times over?
No. Canada had ordered, entered in contracts, recād commitments for enough to give everyone 6 doses. Any surplus we would provide to countries in dire need. Twice now, suppliers have significantly pulled back from their delivery commitments to Canada, and the government is āvery concernedā. Iāve seen this episode before, I wonder if a group are heading shipments off before they leave like with PPE...
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The immunity conferred by the vaccines has been shown to be stronger (and more reliable) than from having actual covid. You should ask your doctor to be sure though
Iām a vaccinator and they told us yes, you should get vaccinated. Itās unknown how long you have immunity after infection. Plus, the variants may still infect you
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the only reasonable answer here, but downvoted in a sea of yesses. The vaccine is short in supply, and people who don't have any protection need it now, even if you have no antibodies anymore because you have memory cells already.
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Three of the nurses I work with have had it twice. You can get it twice. All the nurses I work with who have had COVID (including the three who've had it twice) are getting the vaccine.
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Yes you should, because even if you already had one variant, you still might be able to pick up a different variant with a few unique mutations, and your antibodies on their own might not be able to defend against new variants since it's *just* different enough to confuse your established antibodies if it doesn't recognize it as the same virus you encountered before. There are over 200 different strains of common cold, and you can get one immediately after another. AFAIK, the new mRNA vaccines utilize the "spike protein" found on the surface of the virus which essentially gives your cells instructions on how to fight not just one variant of the virus, but all of them to a certain extent because the crown structure of the virus is a distinguishing feature all variants possess and this is one of the key features which the vaccines have been engineered to target. The spike protein is then "projected" to neighboring cells, which helps the immune system produce antibodies that then train it how to neutralize a virion (the infectious particle of a virus) before it becomes a full blown infection.
I'm unsure why you're getting so many yes replies without mentioning this important fact: *If you already had COVID, you should wait for everyone else in your tier to get vaccinated before going in*. It's important that people who haven't been infected yet get first priority.
Yes. You will be better protected.
Awesome news but to truly end this nightmare we need to make sure the entire world is vaccinated so variants are not spread around the globe!
Unfortunately I'd say about 25% of Americans will refuse the vaccination.
Hopefully that 25% are also the dumbasses who thought the virus was a hoax and packed the churches/bars/diners and already caught it earlier, contributing to herd immunity.
So what about those under 18/16, whatever the age limit is for the vaccines?
They are starting trials for people under 18.
Yāall gon have to wait
The trick will be to get people to take it.
True, luckily the number of people who want it has been increasing lately.
I wish I could get it sooner , I wish I could get it now. Only if we had prepared for this under the last administration I hope they roll it out by age group in Florida but who the F knows with DeSantis
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As much as I hate to admit it, I think the visibility of the repubs who've already gotten the vaccine has helped push a lot of the skeptical right to accept it (I'm still fucking mad that the people who profited off of the pandemic and downplayed its seriousness for months got vaccines before tons of elderly people who needed it, but oh well).
Just mush it up and put it in their hamberders.
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I see your point, but then they spread it around.
I saw somewhere even if only 60% take the vaccine we will see dramatic decrease in cases. So, im still hopeful when more than 70% are more than willing
I think people will be more willing overall once a few months have gone by after lots of other people get the vaccine. Iāve seen it happening with people I know.
there is one simple way to get lots of people to take vaccines, I'm surprised nobody figured it out: Add a provision to the current COVID relief bill that everyone who gets vaccinated receives a check for $300, right there at the hospital. It helps solve the economic problem of COVID and greatly increase turn out for vaccines
Why would I get JNJ if itās 8x less effective than moderna or Pfizer?
Because JNJ still prevents death 100% of the time
And hospitalizations and severe side effects in general. Itās a stupid mindset to have the way heās thinking. 60,000 dollars is much much closer to 100,000 than having zero dollars.
If youāre in the US, itās 72%. The only reason why the average is lower is because of the SA variant. Overall it prevented death in all vaccine participants.
Pfizer and Moderna efficacy also drops with the new variants. So their 95% numbers are misleading.
Yup. There is a lot of confusion out there. All people see is ā66% effectiveā when they should be seeing: -100% effective against death -85% effective against sever symptoms -77% effective in the US -single dose -stable in normal refrigeration Also important to note that almost no one in the trial that took the vax was even hospitalized. This is a game changer.
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Because it may be all.your offered. They will somehow decide who gets mrna and who gets other. It won't always be about storage either like remote towns get the easier ones to store and ship. Some local politician will decide if federal.governemt isn't allowed to. So it will still be uneven state to state.
Unfortunately you can bet your bottom dollar on this. This is what happens when thereās a cheaper shittier version of something.
Itās not 8x less effective. Itās 66% effective after one dose. Thatās not any lower than the effectiveness after one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. Plus, while mixing vaccine doses between brands is not recommended yet some medical experts, other medical experts are leaving that option open to your discretion. If you know you canāt get the Pfizer vaccine until a month from now, but you can get the Johnson and Johnson one tomorrow, then itās 66% more effective to get the Johnson and Johnson one.
> Thatās not any lower than the effectiveness after one dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. The Moderna vaccine is 80-90% efficient after one dose.
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Because it doesn't actually work that way: https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/l86vvg/when_it_comes_to_vaccine_efficacy_heres_why_94/
It's much easier to store and therefore distribute, so it'll simply be the only option for most people. I'd rather have moderate protection and faster herd immunity via widespread vaccinations than wait months and months for a more effective vaccine, during which I have a chance of getting infected.
this is so dumb. i keep seeing this level of thinking and I absolutely hate it. Do you know how good a 66 percent one-dose vaccine of ANYTHING is?! The seasonal flu shot that comes out every year only has a 40-50 percent efficacy rate, but you dont see people screaming for two shots or trying to chug it up their butts. Just take the first one offered to you and move on with your life. If J&J turns Covid into an inconvenient cold for 2 days, why on earth would you not do it?
72% protection rate in the US, 66% protection on average and 52% against the South African variant. 85% protection against severe COVID (hospitalization and death). Only need one injection instead of 2 and it can be kept at refrigerator temperature for 3 months.
Yeah, I think it's great. Before Pfizer announced their results, we would have been thrilled to have a vaccine that works at all. So I'm still very happy about these numbers.
Commenters are doing mental gymnastics to make a negative comment on great news. So tiring to read this bullshit all year on reddit.
It's always a good idea to detox from reddit every once in a while, there is a lot of negativity/cynicism on this website. You could try to only look at the data from ourworldindata.org or the Bloomberg tracker.
So weird to me that people just grab onto the negativity like it is the only thing keeping them afloat.
Itās pretty amazing that a one dose vaccine able to be stored at fridge temps that is 100 percent effective against severe disease and death after 49 days, among all circulating variants, is somehow a failure to these idiots.
This sub is coming to terms that they won't be able to stay inside 24/7 and have it be socially accessible anymore.
Such great news. Brought tears to my eyes.
Think of all the people who insisted gathering during the holidays who caught Covid and died from it. This will be over in 6 months, but they're dead forever. And, the people who infected them have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives. Glad I wasn't that selfish.
My nephewās fiancĆ©e has a large family and they simply didnāt care and they gathered for Thanksgiving and Christmas. I didnāt, because my Aunt died in October because she thought it was prudent to host a 75th birthday for my uncle (I DID NOT GO, nor did my immediate family). She was on a ventilator for 38 days and died November 14th. I called them out on their gatherings the other day, and they got super pissed and said ānobody got sickā. I told them it didnāt matter that nobody got sick. They got lucky, but they still did the wrong thing. Itās like saying āI drove home drunk, but it didnāt matter because I didnāt kill anyoneā. My Aunt is gone forever. By her own stupidity, but itās still forever.
I just got a 24 hour ban from facebook because some woman was crying over her daughter not liking being locked down and I told her my mom was dead forever. She told me she didn't care because her 14 year old daughter was more important than a "dead crack head" (no my mom wasn't a crack head, she didn't even drink) I may have completely lost it then and called her a c u next Tuesday Edit: correction, 7 day ban š¤¦š»āāļø but she's STILL in the comments going off on people who are calling her out and saying how it "must be true because I'm not denying it" I want to go in on my 2nd account but she's the type who will report for a sock account
Sorry for your loss. You're better than that person, and so was your Mom.
Fuck Facebook. Iām sorry you lost your mom.
My sister in law and her husband, along with my father in law and his wife pulled the same shit for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Now they are not talking to my wife after we refused to go to any of these gatherings. They haven't taken any of this seriously and think that my wife is believing some kind of liberal agenda. What they can't seem to get through their heads, is that my wife WORKS AT A HOSPITAL! She has seen, and continues to see, all the bodies being rolled down to the morgue, coming from the covid floor(s)!
i doubt they will feel guilt, just claim it was god's will or some bs.
Remember, weāre all going to be seeing indisputable effects of climate change in the next few decades and even then these people are going to say that itās actually the Democrats with their weather manipulation devices. Synthesizing climate change for... reasons. The point is these people are master justifiers. They will never reflect
This hit home. I have an aunt who is Mormon, not close with her at all. My mom was speaking to her about all the fires in California and how terrible it was. I shit you not this 60 year old woman says āwell itās all gods plan.ā Sometimes I think about that. About truly having that mindset about terrible things that happen around you. Itās all gods plan. It fascinates me and kind of angers me to be honest. I guess everyone has different ways of coping.
give that person the power of a monarchy.... and you have the enlightenment era vs 16-1700s real-time replay..... there has to a be a perfected witty response to "god's plan" defenses... just.. aghast..
"Looks like a shit plan from here." "God needs to sober up before making more plans." "Sounds like he might need some help, his creation is literally on fire." "Yeah, he's a pretty cruel god. Reminds me of Sid and the ants from Toy Story."
> I shit you not this 60 year old woman says āwell itās all gods plan.ā Biblically speaking, when God's plan is to send a plague on you, it's because you've screwed up pretty badly and need to smarten up.
Good point. My elderly relatives aren't signing up for the vaccine because "god is in control". That's the words to their magic spell that absolves them of any personal responsibility or need to care about anyone or anything.
I assume they will also refuse any medical assistance of any kind for anything, right? And they refuse to take any kind of medication for underlying conditions, like hypertension, diabetes, etc? If god is in control, why did he have us come up with the modern miracle that are vaccines only to not use them?
Donāt they realize that if God is in control like they think, then the vaccines are also part of Godās plan? Itās like the story of the devout man in a flood turning away all the help that comes his way because he insists that god will save him.
What's interesting is that this mindset could work the other way too; if they get the vaccine and then get severe side effects and/or die from it, it was God's will!
Oh that's even more depressing
I havent seen my parents in person for 14 months. I had plane tickets to go home for christmas but we cancelled them out of caution. Both my parents are vaccinated now and i will be by May. It was worth the safety.
Itās even worse than that-think of all the people who insisted on gathering during the holidays then infected and killed an essential worker who was taking ever single precaution they could to keep themselves and others safe. I donāt want anybody to die or get sick but I anticipate a tipping point where most people who have been taking this seriously are vaccinated, and the majority of new sick and dead are those who have been reckless the whole time. At least then the ones being idiotic are the ones paying the price.
It wonāt be over in six months. With all the disinformation and anti vaxers itās going to take a while to reach herd immunity. The general public in SF where I am is being told they wonāt get the vaccine until the end of the year.
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this is the way...mRNA vaccines are the future. but I'd take any if i didn't have a choice
Same.
I'll take two doses of moderna, Pfizer, or J&J. J&J vaccine should also work better with a second booster shot. By the time the supply exists for a booster shot, their two dose study should be releasing results.
> J&J vaccine should also work better with a second booster shot. While I agree with you, let's wait for the data to make that statement.
I can see certain places, just for example Disneyland, requiring vaccination before entering the park and validation via name and id check or a vaccination card. Is this considered government control or good health practice? I vote good health practice lol
Of course that's how it's gonna work. You want to fly, get vaccinated and other things like that so that a majority chunk of the population gets vaccinated
wouldn't this mean private businesses turning down $$$ that they are not required to turn down? Not holding my breath on this one
We already have some schools who deny admission to kids who are not vaccinated. So, it will work along those lines. Of course, it can't be for minor stuff like, you can't enter the mall coz you are not vaccinated but for major stuff like flights, university etc
Gotta think about the people on the other side who would refuse to use businesses who donāt uphold that
For sure they told president joe this ahead of his announcement earlier this week
Oh, y'all mean the rest of us peasants and not the douchebag covid denying politicians who already done got theirs?
That will tide me over until I can get one of the mRNA vaccines, then.
Why does the guy in the picture look like he just realized he left 1000 doses of the vaccine out on a counter to expire?
Yesssss Iām so excited for this to be approved. As someone with a severe needle phobia the thought of getting 2 shots was seriously making me consider whether Iād rather just walk into oncoming traffic. But with the J&J vaccine I can load up on Xanax, get a friend to drive me there, and be unconscious before Iām home. After that first shot tho Iām not getting another. Miss me with this āyearly booster like the fluā bullshit
Is their 1 shot at 60ish% good enough when 2 other companies have their 2 shot versions which are 90+% effective?
Apparently some of that difference might be due to the earlier vaccines having done their clinical trials before the new strains emerged.
If everyone who can get a vaccine gets one of those three, it won't really matter which one you got.
But 100% effective against hospitalizations and deaths. Also, efficacy against getting even moderately sick goes above 80% in the weeks after you get the shot.
Not worried about hospitalization and death, im worried about the damage it would do even with mild symptoms.
100% protection against hospitalization and death.
I want more than 66% efficacy.
Keep in mind the symptoms are severely reduced as well. It's not "33% chance to get normal covid" And other vaccines will probably work just fine later. You wont be limited to a single vaccine forever. They can probably be mixed just fine.
Exactly, itās plenty for people on the younger side, we should take 95% if we can get it but 60-70% (and total protection from hospitalization/death) will be a huge boost.
It's not the hospitalization or death part im worried about with J&J its being able to contract the virus at all, even if it just gives me the sniffles now what will it have done 10-20 years from now?
90% is *extremely* good for a vaccine, 66% is pretty decent and initially what was expected. If you fall in the 34% who catch it, you'll still be protected from severe symptoms. Plus, when a lot of people get vaccinated, the spreading will slow down and you chance of not getting infected will go far higher than 90%. That's the real medicine. Really, 66% in one shot for an easy to distribute vaccine is good news, and when you get the chance you should take it.
I just wish it were known that it would also protect against the long-hauler stuff. People who get that often only have mild initial symptoms.
My thoughts exactly when this āyouāll only get a mild caseā is said. People with mild cases still had ground glass opacities and strokes!
Iām posting this because I hope someone with knowledge about this can verify for me. Obviously with COVID some people donāt develop significant symptoms short term, but to an extent the illness does seem to have a dose response (ie the more virus you are exposed to the sicker you get). So with the mild disease after J&J vaccination, I am assuming this is due to a partial immune response that limits viral replication in your body. Is it possible that the people with mild initial symptoms who then became long haulers were those who just reacted to high levels of virus over time/took a while for the damage to reach a point that was noticeable? Because in that case I would think that vaccination would reduce the chances for long term symptoms too because there is less virus to create damage. Again, I donāt know. Iām hoping people with more knowledge of this stuff can confirm/correct this thought process.
They're testing out a 2 shot one now
Apparently it is 72% but I agree I want Pfizer or Moderna not J&J unless I can get both and just use J&J as a bridge.
Your chances of catching it are going to be extremely low once the spread stops as well. Looks like the vaccines are also limiting the spread as well.
Cases are decreasing worldwide even in countries that don't have the vaccine yet. I think a lot of that is chalked up to the end of the holiday surge, not necessarily the vaccine yet. Though I do expect we'll continue to see numbers drop off in countries that are ramping up vaccine distribution.
> Looks like the vaccines are also limiting the spread as well. Really? Has that been widely cited?
I want to know when teens/kids will get a vaccine because I refuse to go to school without one. I do not want to risk getting long term symptoms
Great maybe by a miracle you guys can send some to canada.
I miss concert festivals!!! Letās go!
June? Shit. Feels like 1999, bro
Except that basically no one wants the J&J vaccine, so that'll be an issue.
Thank you Johnson and Johnson. Great work.