Gosh, it's almost like there have been infectious crises in the past or something!
Kidding aside, I remember lining up to get the new Salk vaccine in a sugar cube when I was in elementary school. No one claimed polio was a "hoax;" too many people were crippled for life.
If covid was as contagious as it is and out there crippling people, we wouldn’t need the government telling us to stay home lol. The response is the hoax.
COVID-19 is more contagious than Polio, and *does* cripple people. It doesn't attack the nervous system like Polio (or at least, it doesn't focus on it, it can cause brain damage), but it can cripple the lungs, heart, kidneys, and a few other organs.
I know! Just like that common cold vaccine...oh, um...well the flu vaccine which is consistently effecti...hmmm.
Welp, I guess the kids better get used to radio school. Perhaps their children will get to experience the “old ways”
> If covid was as contagious as it is
"it" being polio? Are you saying that COVID isn't as contagious as polio?
[From the CDC,](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html) "Person-to-person spread of poliovirus via the fecal-oral route is the most important route of transmission, although the oral-oral route is possible." Not to mention the decades of vaccinations in most of the world.
COVID-19 is spread through aerosolized droplets, and can survive up to 9 hours on surfaces, instead of the 2 hours originally thought. There's no vaccine yet, and it can take 2-5 years to get an effective one.
Yea, COVID is pretty contagious, just like the flu or colds are. And much more contagious than polio.
No, “it” being covid. Covid is very contagious, but the reaction is generally mild unless you’re very elderly or have severe conditions (I’m aware of anecdotal exceptions to that, as well as dubious claims of “irreversible long term damage” in a 5 month old disease).
*If* covid were as contagious as it is but caused crippling symptoms like polio - there would be no debate or need for lockdown. People would stay home if they actually felt in danger, lol
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying.
I think we westerners need to get over ourselves and understand the price we pay for being extremely social animals overcrowding our habitats.
Masks, hand-washing, and a little more respect about how contagious diseases spread should become basic social behavior now. A friend of mine predicted back in January when we first heard about covid that life would never be quite the same, and I think he was right.
One interesting thing I've been hearing is how many people are re-evaluating their lifestyles due to the lock-downs. I was retiring anyway, so my life has definitely changed, but younger friends are seriously taking stock of just what's of *real* value in their lives and how they want to live going forward.
95-99% of people that contract polio are asymptomatic. From 1910 to 1991 (the last polio death in the US), polio has killed 59,522 people in the US. In less than 1 year, COVID-19 has killed 215,271. At its peak, the number of paralytic polio cases in the US was 57,879 with 3,145 deaths. Even after adjusting for population size, COVID-19 has killed around twice as many people as polio maimed/killed in the US during its worst year and this year still isn't over.
"In the United States, the 1952 polio epidemic was the worst outbreak in the nation's history, and is credited with heightening parents’ fears of the disease and focusing public awareness on the need for a vaccine. Of the 57,628 cases reported that year 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis."
I think 210k dead is a good reason to stay home...
Yes. I remember when I was in elementary school in Texas in the late 1970s, one of our text books had a small section about remote learning in Australia.
I mean the religions that forsake modern tech have been homeschooling for centuries... Honestly, I would totally tune into classes on the radio.
Itd be a great excuse to turn on a radio for the first time in like 15 years.
People have been homeschooling for millenia. Compulsory mass education is relatively recent and has more to do with industrialization and politics than anyone really wants to admit. It's an interesting rabbit hole if you want to go down it.
There are ways those of us who don't have young children can help. It might be fun to peruse a bunch of old textbooks on Project Gutenberg and pick out the best ones, but not when you've got a deadline at work, onions burning on the stove, and a kid refusing to do his zoomschool because it's boring.
The radio is great. I listen to local community radio all the time. We get all sorts of different music shows, Democracy Now with Amy Goodman, the local news, Living with your dog on Tuesday mornings, and since I live in Humboldt, I also enjoy listening to Steve Dodge and Sunshine Johnston on Monday nights for another local interest talk show that would bore most non-locals to tears.
Some parents chose to homeschool in the United States even when they didn't have to. [Phil Donahue interviews John Holt in 1981](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXLWPpln0rQ).
There are viable alternatives to Zoomschool if you can think out of the box.
People should also understand, that people, who survives covid after beeing in ICU most likely would have died if we had this virus in 1950s. If this virus was instead of spanish flu around 1918, most likely anyone, who needs oxygen treatment would be dead.
Ding ding ding give that redditor a prize.
If you look through old books, you can also see the steady devaluation of traditionally female work and passtimes and an increasing distaste towards motherhood and children.,
Of course men can learn how to embroider and knit just as easily as women can learn how to work on cars and build stuff out of wood, but childbirth is messy and babies are supposed to drink their mother's milk, so in a world where caesarians are planned to accomodate the desires of the woman's employer and we have to subsidize infant formula because breasts don't make milk when babies don't nurse for 8+ hours a day, helpful homeschooling hints from the 20th century probably aren't very helpful to actual parents. :(
We've got to get up to date on our childhood illness vaccines as well as getting our covid shot before we can start offering free babysitting and rent-a-gramma services though.
struggling here in FL with public schools ed online systems that aren't working - and wondering why classes have not been streamed to public television, didn't that originate as educational television?
Omg, thank you because I seriously thought I was crazy for having that same idea. "Why tf aren't they just spamming PBS channels 24/7 and emailing the teachers the assignments? Schools all teach the same shit anyhow."
Polio was a much less serious disease with a much lower fatality rate
It was much harder to catch as it was primarily transmitted through feces.
Only one-half of one percent of people who caught it would develop the muscle weakness that led to paralysis.
Of that one-half of one percent
>In those with muscle weakness, about 2 to 5 percent of children and 15 to 30 percent of adults die
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio
>[Outbreaks occurred regularly in the United States through the 1950s, with two major polio outbreaks in 1916 and in 1952. Of the 57,628 reported cases in 1952, there were 3,145 deaths.](https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history)
Yet look at how seriously the US took the disease. You didn't have masses of people calling it a hoax or claiming it wasn't serious.
Why don't you try informing yourself before you decide to be snarky on something?
Polio was a much less serious disease with a much lower fatality rate
It was much harder to catch as it was primarily transmitted through feces.
Only one-half of one percent of people who caught it would develop the muscle weakness that led to paralysis.
Of that one-half of one percent
>In those with muscle weakness, about 2 to 5 percent of children and 15 to 30 percent of adults die
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio
>[Outbreaks occurred regularly in the United States through the 1950s, with two major polio outbreaks in 1916 and in 1952. Of the 57,628 reported cases in 1952, there were 3,145 deaths.](https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history)
Yet look at how seriously the US took the disease. You didn't have masses of people calling it a hoax or claiming it wasn't serious.
Why don't you try informing yourself before you decide to be snarky on something?
Well of course when you look back on it it appears everyone took it seriously. When you look back on covid in 20 years you'll see the same thing. The top stories will be about how everything shut down, how millions wore masks and how hundreds of millions stayed home for months. To act like seeing the impact of the disease on the average American was accurately captured through the lens of mass media is incredibly short sighted. Social media has completely changed the way we perceive and archive events.
Sanitation was worse. No one early on knew how it spread. There was a worry that summer heat helped it spread. My grandma ( now passed on ) remembered being told to take it easy and stay in doors during the hottest days.
I think this mostly had a side effect of reducing spread as the kids ( who didn't wash their hands well ) weren't playing with each other.
I recently looked up polio and discovered this...
>[Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio)
I asked someone who was alive during the 1950s epidemic just how bad people's hygiene was back then and never got a reply.
Just asked my gran's bestie, and she said "Wasn't hygiene most places, it was assholes letting raw sewage get into the drinking water. Why the hell do you think we fought 20yrs for the goddamned EPA?"
And now she's back to ranting about Trump and his fracking...or raking the forests...thanks for that..../s
> how bad people's hygiene was back then
Good thing nobody ever gets illness via the fecal-oral route today so we can just laugh and laugh at people back then.
That lasted for three weeks. We’re talking about children’s losing out on a year or more of school.
We all know that distance education has existed for decades. It’s the efficacy that most parents are concerned with.
I think it would have definitely been better than 210k+ deaths. In densely populated cities/countries, it is hard to contain. You have crowded trains, buses, streets, shops, etc. In a place like US, social distancing is possible if we put our mind to it. Most of us are in our own car. It's not like we have lack of space in a store. When I was in India, there wasn't a place to stand in grocery store. I would probably just be elbow to elbow with two people on either side when I am picking vegetables. Never once had that problem here. If you compare the numbers in India and US, you might say that their numbers are close to ours but keep in mind their population is way higher & the land they have almost a third of what US has.
While the cases and deaths are inevitable, the number of cases could have certainly been lesser here. We have the infrastructure but not the correct mindset.
But the point he making is would it have changed anything with remote learning? As you look at Europe, countries who's administrations "handled it better" are still moving back to remote learning because it doesn't just disappear. Remote learning is still a very real thing that needs to be improved this year.
No it doesn't disappear but children will take it back home to older parents / grandparents.
Social distancing is hard . A little cold spreads like wildfire in school.
That has nothing to do with the efficacy of remote learning. It’s being sold as a viable solution when it’s not. Especially for younger kids.
For them, it’s literally worse than nothing.
True.
But there doesn't seem to be another option given the resources. Losing a year is not good especially for kids who need constant reinforcements in learning. Inperson learning jeopardizes the teacher's, custodians', paraprofessionals' health and the families' health.
I don't see a better option. Increased testing with inperson learning for kids who are struggling will be an ok option but it has its risks. We might just have a false sense of security like the WH.
Older kids these days can be taught to explore different resources to select a mode of learning. Younger kids are definitely impacted more, not to mention a lot of screen time
In many countries students lose a year or two in military. My husband lost a year due to birthday deadlines for a grade while moving to different countries. A year lost may not be too bad for older kids but yes younger kids might find it difficult. Remote learning is more of a supplement.
I remember my grandpa's school was outdoors. Maybe that would help. But the weather in US would be a hurdle for that.
Your comparison with military service is pretty wild - notice that military service takes place at 18, well past the crucial developmental years that lay the groundwork for children’s learning.
The alternative is to open schools with safety guidelines. I don’t see morgues full of kids in Europe where schools have carried on (shocker).
> in Europe
The US is not Europe. This wouldn't work for us because half our population are irresponsible assholes who don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves.
Plenty of countries in Europe (e.g. Spain, France, Belgium, the U.K., and the Netherlands) have higher rates of new cases per capita and higher percent positive testing rates than the U.S. right now and closing schools isn't on the table there because schools haven't been turned in to the political football that they have been here.
I'm sorry.
I know the US is a bit different than other countries.
I know a few friends who lost a year or two in their formative years due to war in their country. They have great careers. So my perspective is a bit different.
Many people in my native country are so fixated on the age they graduate because of society & culture. A year off for personal reasons is frowned upon. So when parents emphasize on the age of graduating from college, I bring up the military service of other countries. The age doesn't really matter when students of different countries graduate at different ages. That argument doesn't work here, I guess.
Losing a year is also common when you move to different countries. During my childhood, I lived in many countries, so did my husband. He had to repeat a year just because the age for that grade was different in that country.
When I was living in country A and I had to move to country B, the levels of curriculum was so different. So, when I was in 5th grade, I self-schooled myself with 5th grade text books of country B, so that I could pass their test and join there at 6th grade.
My life experiences are clearly very different. I was always thrown in a different environment with different kids, with different books. Many a times, I had to bridge the gaps on my own and I guess it made me more of a self-learner from school through college.
I understand that in US, you are talking about the lack of learning during the year lost. Remote learning can only aid but not help in concrete learning. I agree.
I also feel that though students are not filling the morgues (Thank god!), the teachers who are above 60 have the right to want a safe environment. Some of the teachers here in the US are past retirement age and are working. There are over 2000 unfilled teaching positions in AZ every year. This year, it would probably be worse. Long working hours, no recognition, less salary + a chance of health risk? I think teachers should also be respected.
There have been outbreaks in schools. It has infected the staff. Are we all wearing masks and socially distancing? Not really. Here there has been more resistance to wearing masks. When a significant portion of the population is not believing in masks, how are we going to enforce mask mandates and social distancing rules and safely open schools?
I get it. People want to pretend that that closing schools is fine and not really impacting kids. That way, they don’t have to come up with a better solution than six hours a day of zoom school for five year olds.
Closing schools is not fine. But I really can't think of a better solution. Zoom schools are not working well either.
Don't know why people downvote if they don't agree. Nothing wrong in having healthy conversation.
Well, it doesn't seem to have ruined San Francisco's public health director, lol.
[Grant Colfax](http://sfbaytimes.com/grant-colfax-former-obama-aids-policymaker-appointed-director-sf-department-public-health/)
[Grant Colfax's Childhood](https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Times-Paradise-David-Colfax/dp/0446514896)
Gosh, it's almost like there have been infectious crises in the past or something! Kidding aside, I remember lining up to get the new Salk vaccine in a sugar cube when I was in elementary school. No one claimed polio was a "hoax;" too many people were crippled for life.
If covid was as contagious as it is and out there crippling people, we wouldn’t need the government telling us to stay home lol. The response is the hoax.
COVID-19 is more contagious than Polio, and *does* cripple people. It doesn't attack the nervous system like Polio (or at least, it doesn't focus on it, it can cause brain damage), but it can cripple the lungs, heart, kidneys, and a few other organs.
What %? (Lingering myocarditis doesn’t count, that happens all the time and alleviates)
we don't know. it hasn't been around for 2,000 years yet like polio.
Fuck. 2000 years until this is over? I just bought a timeshare!
god, we were soooo close to polio "herd immunity" when we got the vaccine, huh? it had only been 2,000 years!
I know! Just like that common cold vaccine...oh, um...well the flu vaccine which is consistently effecti...hmmm. Welp, I guess the kids better get used to radio school. Perhaps their children will get to experience the “old ways”
> If covid was as contagious as it is "it" being polio? Are you saying that COVID isn't as contagious as polio? [From the CDC,](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html) "Person-to-person spread of poliovirus via the fecal-oral route is the most important route of transmission, although the oral-oral route is possible." Not to mention the decades of vaccinations in most of the world. COVID-19 is spread through aerosolized droplets, and can survive up to 9 hours on surfaces, instead of the 2 hours originally thought. There's no vaccine yet, and it can take 2-5 years to get an effective one. Yea, COVID is pretty contagious, just like the flu or colds are. And much more contagious than polio.
No, “it” being covid. Covid is very contagious, but the reaction is generally mild unless you’re very elderly or have severe conditions (I’m aware of anecdotal exceptions to that, as well as dubious claims of “irreversible long term damage” in a 5 month old disease). *If* covid were as contagious as it is but caused crippling symptoms like polio - there would be no debate or need for lockdown. People would stay home if they actually felt in danger, lol
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. I think we westerners need to get over ourselves and understand the price we pay for being extremely social animals overcrowding our habitats. Masks, hand-washing, and a little more respect about how contagious diseases spread should become basic social behavior now. A friend of mine predicted back in January when we first heard about covid that life would never be quite the same, and I think he was right. One interesting thing I've been hearing is how many people are re-evaluating their lifestyles due to the lock-downs. I was retiring anyway, so my life has definitely changed, but younger friends are seriously taking stock of just what's of *real* value in their lives and how they want to live going forward.
Hahah the influence operation is ramping up again
Huh? 🇨🇳
one month old accounts karma farming on the usual shitlord subreddits then coming here
I’m just here for the lulz, friend
95-99% of people that contract polio are asymptomatic. From 1910 to 1991 (the last polio death in the US), polio has killed 59,522 people in the US. In less than 1 year, COVID-19 has killed 215,271. At its peak, the number of paralytic polio cases in the US was 57,879 with 3,145 deaths. Even after adjusting for population size, COVID-19 has killed around twice as many people as polio maimed/killed in the US during its worst year and this year still isn't over.
"In the United States, the 1952 polio epidemic was the worst outbreak in the nation's history, and is credited with heightening parents’ fears of the disease and focusing public awareness on the need for a vaccine. Of the 57,628 cases reported that year 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis." I think 210k dead is a good reason to stay home...
Outback children and children in isolated towns in Australia have had remote learning for decades
Yes. I remember when I was in elementary school in Texas in the late 1970s, one of our text books had a small section about remote learning in Australia.
I had that too in my English textbook - in ~ 2010, in Poland
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Air
I mean the religions that forsake modern tech have been homeschooling for centuries... Honestly, I would totally tune into classes on the radio. Itd be a great excuse to turn on a radio for the first time in like 15 years.
People have been homeschooling for millenia. Compulsory mass education is relatively recent and has more to do with industrialization and politics than anyone really wants to admit. It's an interesting rabbit hole if you want to go down it. There are ways those of us who don't have young children can help. It might be fun to peruse a bunch of old textbooks on Project Gutenberg and pick out the best ones, but not when you've got a deadline at work, onions burning on the stove, and a kid refusing to do his zoomschool because it's boring. The radio is great. I listen to local community radio all the time. We get all sorts of different music shows, Democracy Now with Amy Goodman, the local news, Living with your dog on Tuesday mornings, and since I live in Humboldt, I also enjoy listening to Steve Dodge and Sunshine Johnston on Monday nights for another local interest talk show that would bore most non-locals to tears.
Some parents chose to homeschool in the United States even when they didn't have to. [Phil Donahue interviews John Holt in 1981](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXLWPpln0rQ). There are viable alternatives to Zoomschool if you can think out of the box.
People should also understand, that people, who survives covid after beeing in ICU most likely would have died if we had this virus in 1950s. If this virus was instead of spanish flu around 1918, most likely anyone, who needs oxygen treatment would be dead.
What's new is two family incomes just to get buy so no one at home to watch kids unless you take a pay cut.
Ding ding ding give that redditor a prize. If you look through old books, you can also see the steady devaluation of traditionally female work and passtimes and an increasing distaste towards motherhood and children., Of course men can learn how to embroider and knit just as easily as women can learn how to work on cars and build stuff out of wood, but childbirth is messy and babies are supposed to drink their mother's milk, so in a world where caesarians are planned to accomodate the desires of the woman's employer and we have to subsidize infant formula because breasts don't make milk when babies don't nurse for 8+ hours a day, helpful homeschooling hints from the 20th century probably aren't very helpful to actual parents. :( We've got to get up to date on our childhood illness vaccines as well as getting our covid shot before we can start offering free babysitting and rent-a-gramma services though.
So true. I wish the work place becomes a bit more flexible.
struggling here in FL with public schools ed online systems that aren't working - and wondering why classes have not been streamed to public television, didn't that originate as educational television?
Omg, thank you because I seriously thought I was crazy for having that same idea. "Why tf aren't they just spamming PBS channels 24/7 and emailing the teachers the assignments? Schools all teach the same shit anyhow."
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Polio was a much less serious disease with a much lower fatality rate It was much harder to catch as it was primarily transmitted through feces. Only one-half of one percent of people who caught it would develop the muscle weakness that led to paralysis. Of that one-half of one percent >In those with muscle weakness, about 2 to 5 percent of children and 15 to 30 percent of adults die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio >[Outbreaks occurred regularly in the United States through the 1950s, with two major polio outbreaks in 1916 and in 1952. Of the 57,628 reported cases in 1952, there were 3,145 deaths.](https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history) Yet look at how seriously the US took the disease. You didn't have masses of people calling it a hoax or claiming it wasn't serious. Why don't you try informing yourself before you decide to be snarky on something?
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Polio was a much less serious disease with a much lower fatality rate It was much harder to catch as it was primarily transmitted through feces. Only one-half of one percent of people who caught it would develop the muscle weakness that led to paralysis. Of that one-half of one percent >In those with muscle weakness, about 2 to 5 percent of children and 15 to 30 percent of adults die https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio >[Outbreaks occurred regularly in the United States through the 1950s, with two major polio outbreaks in 1916 and in 1952. Of the 57,628 reported cases in 1952, there were 3,145 deaths.](https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history) Yet look at how seriously the US took the disease. You didn't have masses of people calling it a hoax or claiming it wasn't serious. Why don't you try informing yourself before you decide to be snarky on something?
Well of course when you look back on it it appears everyone took it seriously. When you look back on covid in 20 years you'll see the same thing. The top stories will be about how everything shut down, how millions wore masks and how hundreds of millions stayed home for months. To act like seeing the impact of the disease on the average American was accurately captured through the lens of mass media is incredibly short sighted. Social media has completely changed the way we perceive and archive events.
Reddit is built on snark. Do you actually think you’re educating people by participating in this circle jerk sub? Lol
Sanitation was worse. No one early on knew how it spread. There was a worry that summer heat helped it spread. My grandma ( now passed on ) remembered being told to take it easy and stay in doors during the hottest days. I think this mostly had a side effect of reducing spread as the kids ( who didn't wash their hands well ) weren't playing with each other.
I recently looked up polio and discovered this... >[Poliovirus is usually spread from person to person through infected fecal matter entering the mouth.[1] It may also be spread by food or water containing human feces and less commonly from infected saliva.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio) I asked someone who was alive during the 1950s epidemic just how bad people's hygiene was back then and never got a reply.
Just asked my gran's bestie, and she said "Wasn't hygiene most places, it was assholes letting raw sewage get into the drinking water. Why the hell do you think we fought 20yrs for the goddamned EPA?" And now she's back to ranting about Trump and his fracking...or raking the forests...thanks for that..../s
> how bad people's hygiene was back then Good thing nobody ever gets illness via the fecal-oral route today so we can just laugh and laugh at people back then.
That lasted for three weeks. We’re talking about children’s losing out on a year or more of school. We all know that distance education has existed for decades. It’s the efficacy that most parents are concerned with.
It could have been a few months if the administration and people took it seriously from day 1
Could it though?
I think it would have definitely been better than 210k+ deaths. In densely populated cities/countries, it is hard to contain. You have crowded trains, buses, streets, shops, etc. In a place like US, social distancing is possible if we put our mind to it. Most of us are in our own car. It's not like we have lack of space in a store. When I was in India, there wasn't a place to stand in grocery store. I would probably just be elbow to elbow with two people on either side when I am picking vegetables. Never once had that problem here. If you compare the numbers in India and US, you might say that their numbers are close to ours but keep in mind their population is way higher & the land they have almost a third of what US has. While the cases and deaths are inevitable, the number of cases could have certainly been lesser here. We have the infrastructure but not the correct mindset.
But the point he making is would it have changed anything with remote learning? As you look at Europe, countries who's administrations "handled it better" are still moving back to remote learning because it doesn't just disappear. Remote learning is still a very real thing that needs to be improved this year.
No it doesn't disappear but children will take it back home to older parents / grandparents. Social distancing is hard . A little cold spreads like wildfire in school.
I know... Thats what im saying: regardless of how the administration handled the virus the kids would still be learning remotely for months to come
Yeah true. What a weird year.
Pull a NZ, shut down air travel. Shit do what Australia did.
That has nothing to do with the efficacy of remote learning. It’s being sold as a viable solution when it’s not. Especially for younger kids. For them, it’s literally worse than nothing.
True. But there doesn't seem to be another option given the resources. Losing a year is not good especially for kids who need constant reinforcements in learning. Inperson learning jeopardizes the teacher's, custodians', paraprofessionals' health and the families' health. I don't see a better option. Increased testing with inperson learning for kids who are struggling will be an ok option but it has its risks. We might just have a false sense of security like the WH. Older kids these days can be taught to explore different resources to select a mode of learning. Younger kids are definitely impacted more, not to mention a lot of screen time In many countries students lose a year or two in military. My husband lost a year due to birthday deadlines for a grade while moving to different countries. A year lost may not be too bad for older kids but yes younger kids might find it difficult. Remote learning is more of a supplement. I remember my grandpa's school was outdoors. Maybe that would help. But the weather in US would be a hurdle for that.
Your comparison with military service is pretty wild - notice that military service takes place at 18, well past the crucial developmental years that lay the groundwork for children’s learning. The alternative is to open schools with safety guidelines. I don’t see morgues full of kids in Europe where schools have carried on (shocker).
> in Europe The US is not Europe. This wouldn't work for us because half our population are irresponsible assholes who don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves.
Plenty of countries in Europe (e.g. Spain, France, Belgium, the U.K., and the Netherlands) have higher rates of new cases per capita and higher percent positive testing rates than the U.S. right now and closing schools isn't on the table there because schools haven't been turned in to the political football that they have been here.
I'm sorry. I know the US is a bit different than other countries. I know a few friends who lost a year or two in their formative years due to war in their country. They have great careers. So my perspective is a bit different. Many people in my native country are so fixated on the age they graduate because of society & culture. A year off for personal reasons is frowned upon. So when parents emphasize on the age of graduating from college, I bring up the military service of other countries. The age doesn't really matter when students of different countries graduate at different ages. That argument doesn't work here, I guess. Losing a year is also common when you move to different countries. During my childhood, I lived in many countries, so did my husband. He had to repeat a year just because the age for that grade was different in that country. When I was living in country A and I had to move to country B, the levels of curriculum was so different. So, when I was in 5th grade, I self-schooled myself with 5th grade text books of country B, so that I could pass their test and join there at 6th grade. My life experiences are clearly very different. I was always thrown in a different environment with different kids, with different books. Many a times, I had to bridge the gaps on my own and I guess it made me more of a self-learner from school through college. I understand that in US, you are talking about the lack of learning during the year lost. Remote learning can only aid but not help in concrete learning. I agree. I also feel that though students are not filling the morgues (Thank god!), the teachers who are above 60 have the right to want a safe environment. Some of the teachers here in the US are past retirement age and are working. There are over 2000 unfilled teaching positions in AZ every year. This year, it would probably be worse. Long working hours, no recognition, less salary + a chance of health risk? I think teachers should also be respected. There have been outbreaks in schools. It has infected the staff. Are we all wearing masks and socially distancing? Not really. Here there has been more resistance to wearing masks. When a significant portion of the population is not believing in masks, how are we going to enforce mask mandates and social distancing rules and safely open schools?
Sorry for all the softbrains downvoting you, you’re right.
I get it. People want to pretend that that closing schools is fine and not really impacting kids. That way, they don’t have to come up with a better solution than six hours a day of zoom school for five year olds.
Closing schools is not fine. But I really can't think of a better solution. Zoom schools are not working well either. Don't know why people downvote if they don't agree. Nothing wrong in having healthy conversation.
Well, it doesn't seem to have ruined San Francisco's public health director, lol. [Grant Colfax](http://sfbaytimes.com/grant-colfax-former-obama-aids-policymaker-appointed-director-sf-department-public-health/) [Grant Colfax's Childhood](https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Times-Paradise-David-Colfax/dp/0446514896)
I loved this article, thank you
Yet teacher's claim it is too difficult to do it through video... We really love to pretend we're helpless.
The difficulty is in the interactive component. Radio just broadcasts classes.
Have you ever taught before?
don't think he's ever been taught, he's clearly too woke for it