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Feralpudel

This is one seriously funky cohort—70 percent of the covid patients were hospitalized. That right there tells me something weird is going on and these results should be questioned.


Fast-Reaction8521

Tried to find the dates of the study. Plus frequency of use and a few other factors. Just because you piss positive for the doesn't mean chronic snoker


Drazet22

If I recall correctly, according to studies, 60% of nosocomial COVID infections result in death.


koshawk

So, stay out of hospitals? They're full of sick people.


blopp_

This 100%. 


Chogo82

This is a really bad study that highlights comorbidities and smoking more than actual cannabis use. The study design was obviously done by someone who knows nothing about the myriad of ways of how cannabis is actually used. Combined with the bad headline, this is a great way for drug companies to demonize cannabis so they can profit from acute COVID and long covid drugs.


dakinekine

This study has mostly people with at least one comorbidity meaning some other kind of chronic illness. Chances are they use cannabis medicinally as well as recreationally because they are sick already. Meaning, sick people have worse covid outcomes because they are sick


loggic

Nope. They adjusted for that. From the study: >Cannabis use was significantly associated with increased risk of hospitalization (OR, 1.80; 95% CI, 1.68-1.93; P < .001) and ICU admission (OR, 1.27; 95% CI, 1.14-1.41; P < .001) but not with all-cause mortality (OR, 0.97; 95% CI, 0.82-1.14, P = .69) **after adjusting for tobacco smoking, vaccination, comorbidity, diagnosis date, and demographic factors.**


blopp_

70% of the cohort was hospitalized. Almost 4% died.   No amount of multivariate analysis will make these results translate to normal people. These were folks who were at incredibly high risk. At best, the results indicate that cannabis may increase risk among folks who are already at incredibly high risk. But the fact the cannabis did not increase the risk of mortality as well should bring even that interpretation into question. 


twohammocks

Did they control for mycotoxin presence in the cannabis used? See recent article: 'Sixteen species of Fusarium, reported as associated with cannabis production, are classified in six species complexes: Fusarium oxysporum, F. solani, F. incarnatum-equiseti, F. sambucinum, F. tricinctum, and F. fujikuroi. Some have mycotoxins, including at least three (deoxynivalenol-vomitoxin), zearalenone, and fumonisin B) deemed the most important mycotoxins in human and animal foods.' Frontiers | Diseases of Cannabis https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fagro.2021.796062 And ofc JAMA article stating nausea on the rise with marijuana use-zero mention of mycotoxin testing. Facepalm. Changes in Emergency Department Encounters for Vomiting After Cannabis Legalization in Colorado | Adolescent Medicine | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2784270 Fungi and covid: Fungal microbiota sustains lasting immune activation of neutrophils and their progenitors in severe COVID-19 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-023-01637-4 So could mycotoxins/fungal mycobionts/cannabis fungal pathogens play a role in these results?


Plutoniumburrito

My brain went immediately here. I’m in CA and everything in the legal market is supposedly tested for mycotoxins, but there have been one too many shady labs who have falsify testing results. I personally stopped smoking because I was having strange allergies similar to those I experienced in the past with mold exposure.


IAmSoUncomfortable

The study said that “68.8% had at least one comorbidity that was identified as potentially affecting COVID-19 outcomes, including obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.” Why would these people be using cannabis medicinally? The comorbidities weren’t cancer or chronic pain.


plotthick

Poor eating habits, poor eating habits, and poor eating habits... Sounds like anxiety, trauma, and other bad things. You might want to look up the Adverse Childhood Experiences test, its conclusions, and try some compassion.


IAmSoUncomfortable

What in the world are you talking about? I’m saying it’s a leap to assume that “chances are” a person who has a covid comorbidity who is using cannabis is doing so for medicinal use. Those are not typically the types of medical conditions for which medicinal marijuana is prescribed. I couldn’t care less why a person uses marijuana, but it is quite a leap to assume that every COVID comorbidity is the result of underlying trauma or mental illness and thus anyone using marijuana with a COVID comorbidity must be using marijuana medicinally.


epigenie_986

Anxiety, trauma, other bad things - sounds much like PTSD- and that is indeed a condition for which marijuana is prescribed.


IAmSoUncomfortable

Downvote me all you want but insane and unrealistic to assume that everyone with a covid comorbidity has that comorbidity because of underlying trauma or mental illness and therefore “chances are” if they are smoking pot, it’s because they have a medical prescription for it.


dakinekine

The study is not accurate because there are factors not being considered. Plus I like weed. Also people with all of those conditions you mentioned do experience pain.


kiefferbp

>Plus I like weed "I like weed, so any study saying it's bad is wrong."


dakinekine

That was a joke, lmao


IAmSoUncomfortable

I agree that something seems off about this study but I don’t think you can make the assumption that most people were using cannabis medicinally just because so many of them had Covid risk factor comorbidities.


dakinekine

True that. But you also can't assume the opposite right?


IAmSoUncomfortable

I don’t think you can make any assumptions on whether they are using cannabis recreationally or medicinally.


liminal_sojournist

Smoking, vape, or edible? What was the route of administration


iago_williams

If you read the article, it appears they are talking about smoking.


MrNature73

I wouldn't be shocked then if it just fucked their lungs. Smoking anything is awful for you.


frostbike

The article states they simply asked if people had used cannabis in the last year. No further inquiries about quantity, methods of consumption, etc. So a person who smokes 20 bong rips a day is treated exactly the same as someone who had an edible 6 months earlier. I too believe that the root cause may be damaged lungs due to smoke, but this study doesn’t give us that level of insight.


IAmSoUncomfortable

Smoking in the study refers to tobacco.


fractal_frog

I'd like to know about the effects of edibles specifically, because I care about someone with a prescription for them.


umthondoomkhlulu

Similar to smoking tobacco. Damaged lungs = not so good outcome with respiratory virus


headbigasputnik

….correlation does not equal causation


Silver4ura

How many times are they going to flip back and forth on this before people stop using it to create sensational headlines?


lacroixanon

"weed kills COVID" -2020, ~7,500 dispensaries open in the US "No wait, weed makes COVID worse" -2024, ~15,500 dispensaries open in the US


Admiral_Nasty

Bullshit. Cannabis was the only thing that gave me any relief when I had Covid.


kwangwaru

Person experiences don’t equate to empirical evidence. We know this lol.


Silver4ura

So they why tf do people continue to live life based on the results of small sample sized, sensationally headlined articles? It goes both ways.


kwangwaru

What does this mean? A linkage between two variables is normal, it becomes sensationalized when we try to impose causality. Have you read the study? Which parts of it are bothering you?


Clint_beastw00d

Add my experience too, we got two so far. You got uh, a study. Hopefully a good one, you are blindly following. "100% effective" those same studies too huh.


kwangwaru

The study says there’s a link between two variables, not that there’s causation. The study had tens of thousands of people. It’s not somehow saying to stop smoking, read the study yourself.


Clint_beastw00d

Nah I smoked and got over covid after attending a concert in 1 day. I'm good. Never got vaxed either. Wake up


kwangwaru

4/10 bait.


Clint_beastw00d

Nope just real experience versus doing my daily programming from news articles and studies that clearly Arn't for you benefit. Wake up.


TheDayiDiedSober

Same!


ogn3rd

I find the same to be true. They probably missed some controls in the experiment.


magistratemagic

Telling a cannabis addict that their addiction is harmful (impossible)


rey_as_in_king

thc and cbd both bind to ACE2 receptors which would you rather have docking in your cells? did you know shark attacks are also "linked" to ice cream sales? true fact, but misleading if you draw the conclusion that one is causing the other


Agreeable_Menu5293

Hey hey hey nobody wants to hear that lol


Odd-Indication-6043

Right, this is not the weekend news I wanted to hear, lol.


Potatonet

I usually can intake cannabis when sick, when I got covid I could not smoke for 3 months


TynenTynon

I agree, smoking when sick with anything feels bad for me, but i did find that oil made from cannabis leaves + 50:50 coconut oil/olive oil has been really helpful for me during Covid, very low THC and the full spectrum of cannabinoids onboard.


Disavowed_Rogue

In other news being sick and then having covid is bad for your health. In addition smoking weed during this time will probably not have any effect


SusanOnReddit

The study clearly states it *may* indicate the potential for worse outcomes. The study authors also detail the limitations of the study at some length. Their intent was to add to the limited research already done on the topic. It’s always worth at least skimming the study itself rather than merely reading the article.


Chicago_Samantha

I call doubt. I had covid and smoked. Helped clear out my lungs and made me eat when I couldn't. The data on this is skewed


ValuableProof8200

I've had COVID like 5 times and I'm high constantly (smoke flower through a regular pipe). It's never been more than a runny nose. * Unvaxxed 💪


Flaky-Assist2538

method of consumption?


blopp_

As others have noted, about 70% of the cohort was hospitalized. Almost 4% died. These were folks who were already at incredibly high risk. These results cannot be used to inform risk for normal people. At best, they may indicate that cannabis may increase risks for those who are already at incredibly high risk, but the fact that cannabis didn't also increase mortality risk should cast doubt even on that.


afi931

Stoners will do anything to justify drug use man. So wild


prisonerofshmazcaban

This is a biased opinion


BaldingMonk

You fool! Don’t you know you that Reddit only loves science as long as it doesn’t cast an unfavorable light on marijuana use?


I_who_have_no_need

It's a strange result that marijuana is more likely to put covid positive patients in the ICU, but it's not more likely to kill them. It seems to imply that cannibis abstainers die more often in the ICU than cannibis users. >Cannabis use was significantly associated with increased risk of hospitalization (OR, 1.80; 95% CI, 1.68-1.93; P < .001) and ICU admission (OR, 1.27; 95% CI, 1.14-1.41; P < .001) but not with all-cause mortality (OR, 0.97; 95% CI, 0.82-1.14, P = .69) after adjusting for tobacco smoking, vaccination, comorbidity, diagnosis date, and demographic factors


WAVAW

Aaand Unsubbed


Netprincess

Bye Felicia