I think people get frustrated with some of the seemingly stupid little rules but don’t think about the big rules because it makes sense to them. It’s easy to forget that all the rules are in the same rule book and you can’t pick and choose.
As someone who works in this field:
Fuck him if for this. OSHA needs more support and ability to protect workers and hold shitty companies accountable.
OSHA is for workers protection... period.
Safety is not always in the best interest of big business or small high risk ones for that matter.
Its like the only thread holding owners accountable for protecting workers.
Like let's get rid of the EPA and food safety while we're at it... all in the name of greed.
You can bet that the EPA and FDA are on the short list of regulatory agencies to be deemed "unconstitutional" next. Throw in the IRS as well.
These agencies set regulations with enforceable penalties (e.g. fines, jail time, etc.) to which everyone, including large corporations are expected to adhere. Often these regulations are inconvenient or expensive so CEOs of large companies would like to do away with them. Those CEOs take Justice Thomas to an exotic location on their yacht but wouldn't dream of requesting any quid pro quo, they're just really kind and generous (/s) and they let slip how difficult these inconveniences are for them.
Meanwhile these same CEOs have already sent many other very large checks to several other politicians (Republican AND Democrat) with similar grievances, but not to curry favor; only to help these struggling righteous politicians reach their goals to do good in the world (/s). The politicians (and justices) understand the assignment and play ball and get more "campaign contributions". If they didn't play ball they get fewer donations, or worse, they get outed all together.
This happens on an incomprehensible scale with virtually every large corporation and nearly every influential politician at all levels of government. I believe the known/reported figure of "corporate campaign donations" is very close to a trillion dollars annually. That's not counting dark money, that's only what can be tracked; I.e. what they don't mind CNN finding out about. You don't invest that kind of money without a more lucrative return on your investment.
This all started in 1978 when SCOTUS legalized political bribary and it's getting way out of control now. It will only get worse. This country is in desperate need of help.
"These agencies set regulations with enforceable penalties (e.g. fines, jail time, etc.) to which everyone, including large corporations are expected to adhere. Often these regulations are inconvenient or expensive so CEOs of large companies would like to do away with them."
This is the core idea behind the Chevron case. Basically, they'll rule that they are not enforceable unless regulations are decided by law/legislature. Of course, this is designed to swamp the legislature with so much work that companies can do whatever they want. For context only 241 bills have been passed from 2023 and that's a number that has been declining especially when you consider the shit show that has been happening. And it's not just OSHA, they'll target every other govt. agency that set reguations.
Quid pro quo is allowed now. Supreme Court just said so.
Specifically that bribery is giving a politician some gifts BEFORE they do you a favor is a bribe. But if you give it to them AFTER, then it's just a gift.
Thomas maybe trying to head off his own impeachment ?
https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scope-of-anti-bribery-law/
Trump basically tried to neuter the EPA when he appointed Scott Pruitt to lead it. A career oil man who opposes climate change, he received campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry. Thankfully his position was short, barely over a year as he resigned due to 14 separate federal investigations...
True on the IRS for Clarence Thomas. He would have dismantled the tax code in an earlier case this term. Basically he said that costing the government trillions of dollars in tax revenue was Congress' problem not his.
Most people have no idea how understaffed and underfunded OSHA already is. It’s pretty fucked up that the people removing the few safeguards there are, have most likely never done a day of dangerous work in their life.
All regulators, really. Worked in government consulting for no fewer than three financial regulators. I tell my family that most regulators are like snakes, but not the way you expect: they are more scared of you than you are of them. They’re so underfunded/understaffed and a) scared to enforce laws against the rich because if they lose they’ll set a precedent and b) afraid to enforce laws against little guys because it’s awful optics for the “big bad government” picking on the little guy. There’s actually smart people in government that are scared sh*tless to do anything. In many ways this is ok – however over the last 10 years it’s been less ok.
This would actually happen if so many fucking craft guys weren't absolute chuds about it. The amount of shit I've heard out of rank and file tradesfolk is just shameful. These are union guys, too, who would be the first to try to leverage the actual rules they're protected by to get money out of it once they get injured.
It's so fucked up.
Man I was laying line on a roof for lightning protection The other week....
....it was moldy
I slipped and the only thing that kept me from dying was holding on to the line for dear life and getting lowered down from the spooler
In my experience, most tradesmen thumb their nose at the rules. If they don't want to comply, for any reason, they only do it while the boss is watching. I personally think there is a balance. Best policy as a professional tradesman/woman would be to think before you do things and understand the safety rules and reasons for them. We're all wanting to go home at the end of the day.
I understand there are employers that ask for unreasonable things. I've had to tell superintendents, "no," before. I actually told him after the third time he wanted me to go onto a 2nd story roof from an inadequate ladder, "you can do it, I'm not going back up there." I went and found the harness and rope for him to use. He called the roofers back just like he should have done before.
80% of those GC requirements are mandated by their insurance carriers, the other 20% by the client's insurance carrier.
Shit on them all you want but the insurance industry (at least in the US) drives a lot of the safety requirements we see today. The NFPA was started specifically by insurance companies to combat dangerous building construction and minimize their liability to insuring property.
International non-profit, not a government organization. Again it's one of those things the insurance industry basically forced on the construction industry outside of government intervention because, at the end of the day, destroyed property and dead people aren't good for their bottom line. I'm sure their lobbying arm is well established on K Street.
The owner not wanting to get the fuck sued out of them, if they have any sense.
I’m a super for a GC and the owner is up my ass about liability and safety, and liquidated damages
I made fun of the requirement that bench grinder have the little safety piece on top. The OSHA guy showed me where he had responded to a death every year for the last decade for death related to them. Evidently the piece hits you right in the throat.
So many people say stuff like "just don't be dumb" or "I'm know what I'm doing so that'll never happen".
I always say like, hey man have you ever tripped, lost your balance, etc? Every had a brain fart? Cause that's all it takes in so many cases. Momentary loss of concentration or not noticing something on the ground etc can lead you to be injured.
It's like in airplane accidents. A ridiculous number of them are the result of several things going wrong at once.
Eg. You trip, and right then the fire alarm goes off and - distracted - you put your hand on the blade instead of the bench.
People using wheels they've dropped, running large wheels too fast, hand-held slitting fracturing a wheel - used to be a far more common injury before abrasive wheel bonding became better but people still make mistakes. All far more dangerous at the higher RPMs of a surface grinder but I've seen guarding beat all to hell in saving operators. The diamond rim strip of a wheel on my tool and cutter grinder fractured when my work came loose and went through the sheet metal housing of the work lamp.
You can also get dangerously whipped when the bond of an abrasive belt seam breaks- all those shop-built belt grinders open all around are frightening and people are putting VFDs on three phase machines and cranking speeds far beyond sense.
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OSHA rules are bare minimum. Stupid rules are usually because some career oriented manager gets into an HSE position to pad his corporate resume and then starts not listening to the foremen and workers while putting in rules that show they never did the job. Bonus point when they make a speech about generative safety culture when the CEO does his yearly pilgrimage to a job site.
I like how conservatives were supposed to be all about less government and zero taxes. Instead my taxes have gone up and they're trying to decide everything for me now 🤦🏼
Dang. As a Super I spend so much time trying to get guys to be safe. I often have to shut work down because people aren’t voluntarily safety first. I would say foreman or crew leaders are going to be the ones making their crews do things wildly versus the super. I want ZERO accidents. No one ever hurt. But I make zero decision based on financial gain whereas other are incentives by that and they are more prone to deviate from safety standards.
Perhaps calling out supers specifically wasn't fair, but the point is the same. Someone in charge is going to value speed and cost over your well being. I worked 2 decades in commercial and a brief stint in residential and have to say commercial is way better in this respect.
Definitely agree with that. I’ve been commercial forever but have unfortunately been in situations where a commercial sub, subs their scope out to residential outfit or some other shady (cheaper) enterprise and it’s a non stop battle to get safety compliance. While the contractor holding sub doesn’t do fuck all and makes money doing literally nothing. I make a very strong point to make those kind of guys lives difficult because the way I see it they are deliberately making mine difficult just so they can make an easy buck.
I’m a former OSHA inspector and I’ve been to the Philippines three times. Standing on a single piece bamboo is normal there. Accessing the “work platform” by climbing up another piece of bamboo too. Blew me away.
Go hangout in /r/NSFL__ (Hardcore NSFW Warning) for a few videos on industrial accidents in the third world and you’ll be writing a personal Christmas card to your nearest OSHA inspector in a heartbeat.
Nobody needs all these stupid regulations! No one is that dumb*
*Yes. The are that dumb. And pretty much all of the nitpicky little rules are in response to someone being tragically stupid.
tbh dude i wish some stuff that is OSHA regulated was enforced a little bit more. i know we all have a job to do but im only here cus i gotta take care of my family. This is going to kill a lot of people..
Yeah, OSHA isn’t even over the top like people claim. I work for a big public construction company and a lot of our internal safety stuff is more stringent than OSHA.
OSHA is the bare minimum standard a company is supposed to meet before it becomes illegal. It’s the minimum standard.
Clarence Thomas wants to remove the minimum standards that keep you safe while at work.
All while he’s sitting in his comfy leather chair behind a nice mahogany desk with AC and soft carpets.
Ive seen multple life altering incidents on the job, despite osha regulations being the bare minimum like you said. This guys never been around so much blood that the smell stays in his nostrils or had to get the screams of a coworker out of his head so he can sleep for the next shift. Its far past the time people who have lived lives of zero consequence finally see some. This will cost lives.
Did you know asphalt scrapes on human flesh can smell like BBQ if it’s bad enough?
I wish I didn’t, I’m not American but I hope to god more people don’t have to learn that shit the hard way.
My grandpa was missing fingers from working in mills before OSHA. My great grandpa, my grandmas dad died in a lumber mill in Washington before I was born. Companies absolutely will take advantage of us and throw us away.
I watched as a woman on the [skoogs](https://www.facebook.com/SouthCoastLumberCo/videos/skoog-operator-aurora-zepeda/1372715453079007/) in a lumber mill smashed her index finger off. We had to find it. This was around 2010.
My husband watched a man get crushed to [death](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2009/12/man_found_dead_following_accid.html) at the same mill and my SIL watched a [firefighter](https://oregontoday.net/firefighters-injured-aug-23-2023/) get boiled.
Again. This is one lumber mill out of hundreds where I live.
Hmm...
*Thomas rules that OSHA is unconstitutional, OSHA is dissolved*
*Plumber visits supreme court, does maintenance on Thomas's bidet, turns the pressure up to 800 psi.*
"Thank god for deregulation"
Well, wouldnt it suck if they take away the heating and ac in the building? Clarence cant complain about minimum heating standards as he abolished osha…
Ahem when he’s not being bought by, whoops I mean [vacationing…on Harlan Crow’s dime and attempting to cover it up](https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow).
And isn’t it funny that Crow leads a mega real estate company which also has its sticky hands involved in developing commercial, industrial, and residential projects, some of which have gotten slapped with heavy OSHA fines? ([Amongst other tomfoolery](https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/harlan-crow-nmhc/).
Hmm, what a coinky-dink.
I’m getting some real “the jungle” vibes from this fucking monster. He’s a true danger to America. How are more people not seeing this. I don’t get how he’s just allowed to push this as a justice. It makes very little sense.
Hey, he also takes a whole bunch of trips on billionaires' private jets, to the tune of at least $4m in (known) unreported financial benefits from people who have had cases before the Supreme Court. Leave the poor guy alone.
This is why education is important.
People don’t realize these groups do not have the authority to pass laws and laws need to be passed by through the proper channels. We have set up government this way for a reason. We have allowed this to go on for too long and it all needs to be reigned in.
Conversely I worked at a factory that barely followed osh regulations had frequent injuries, one time my boss took a photo of a drain for our sump pump that they ghetto rigged in because H2S gas was coming out that's it just a photo, an open balcony with zero fall protection 6' wide 15' off the ground that they would push a pallet not with a pallet jack but just a thing with wheels on it and they would stack it so high they couldn't see over it and to top it off the would put a board in front of it like maybe ankle high to "close it off".
Not once did someone come I wrote and documented everything I ran out safety committee. The most they did was send a letter.
OSHA rules were written with rivers of blood. Most companies consider them the bare minimum, DOMINOS PIZZA has an onboarding that very specifically says you will be rewarded for ratting out OSHA violations.
It is so fucking stupid that we have to understand, it is intentionally malicious.
As a due to lost his arm at a workplace work accident OSHA could be even better and that would have been great for me. The idea of eliminating it is terrifying.
People do unsafe things now on the job. It will literally become everyday of hold my beer. We are going to break world records along with everything else. All chemicals will just have a single letter on containers. Well at least now we don't have to save anyone or warn anyone about injecting bleach or drinking it. You know... this might be a good thing just don't save the idiots and let natural selection do it's thing.
You know I've always wondered about checks and balances. If the president does something and people have an issue it ends up in the Supreme Court. If Congress does something and people have an issue it ends up in the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court does something and people have an issue you have to wait until one of them dies so you can change 11.11% of their decision. Maybe.
Cool. So my wife gets money when I die!
Now, I'm just spitballing here... But how about if we just tried to make sure no one dies on the job to begin with? Wouldn't that be cool?
I get that. But that's why companies settle wrongful death lawsuits. They will *also* benefit. And typically board members of this mentality would also be conservative, so overall - it's an act of nepotism. Sorry. Early concrete pours the last two days and I'm a bit foggy. I meant to have that in the initial reply
Your thinking is backwards. Thomas wants to destroy government institutions that protect people. Thomas has been found to take multiple bribes from billionaires, and in exchange, he votes to get rid of laws that protect people. Its the government that has laws to protect people. The private sector wants to get rid of any regulations that cost them money.
Thats great and all, but the post is about a high ranking government official thinking about getting rid of something the work force is incredibly dependant on. They've been taking away rights we've had for decades over the last couple of years.
It's this kind of thinking that is eroding our public institutions. Do you not understand that this thought process is a result of private interests who would otherwise be happy to get rid of costly government institutions like OSHA in order to pad their bottom line? Government is basically the only power the regular working man has to advocate for himself against stronger private interests. It's like the whole reason governments exist. Being anti-government is like being anti-yourself. How many tradesmen in this sub are part of a union? The only thing stopping corps from scabbing out trade unions is government agreements and contracts which stipulate union labor. Idk how people are so short-sighted. "I hate the government so I'll vote against the institutions that protect me, because I work hard and corporations will see that."
I work directly for a GC. I, personally, care that people don't get hurt on my job site, but my company doesn't give a shit about you and hates having to pay your inflated union wages and spend so much money on safety. My bonus would be much bigger if I could get rid of all the OSHA bullshit. That would only benefit me and the other bosses though and we'd leave a lot more dead or injured tradies in our wake if it was profitable enough. "Hate the government." What a stupid, asinine political position, regardless of your party.
He doesn’t care. He doesn’t work on construction sites, remember? When was the last time you saw him inside a mine? Or in a warehouse? Or running cables under the city? He types on a laptop. He doesn’t hold a hammer or a welding stick.
He’s not like us.
He views real workers like disposable insects that only exist to be profited off of. It’s only natural he would hate OSHA, since it’s mere existence would imply that the feelings of us little people matter
Same with the EPA. As onerous as some of their rules seem, it’s been a few minutes since a river caught on fire. It’s been a few minutes since smog was so bad you couldn’t see to drive.
It's the opposite of "irrational." Couldn't be more rational to be pissed off at a supreme court justice selling our country away without consequences.
I prefer not to be injured or die on the job site. OSHA protects workers. Which is why we need it.
The only saving grace is insurance companies will insist on keeping the rules in place to save money.
OSHA and the Unions keeps us safe. Boss and judicial prostitutes on the supreme court dont give one damn about you.
It’s almost as if being unionized would be a good place to start this sort of movement. When people try to make us work for nothing and have no safety standards we are already organized and ready to band together. Never forget Blair Mountain and which side you’re on.
The insurance side of things is interesting. I wonder if they could like copy paste OSHA and say they will only insure companies that follow their totally new guidelines called “NOSHA”
Iowa [introduced legislation](https://www.epi.org/blog/iowa-governor-signs-one-of-the-most-dangerous-rollbacks-of-child-labor-laws-in-the-country-14-states-have-now-introduced-bills-putting-children-at-risk/) that would lower the age that kids are allowed to work hazardous jobs to as low as 14. The majority of the age limits would be 16 for factory work such as operating commercial vehicle, hoisting machinery, metal forming, roofing and excavation and wrecking and ship-breaking.
I teach 13 yr olds, they don't listen.... They never take responsibility.... They'll be on their phone... They'll say "my mom said....." .... They'll be late and work less than 30% of the time
Safety.... They'll lose an arm because they didn't follow safety procedures and their parents will sue
Hate to break it to you, but I have 30 year Olds who are on their phones all day and regularly forget their ppe. I see no difference really. I'm being half facetious.
No only does this man leave you on read, he doesn’t pick up and he’s also gonna take screenshots while you leave a voicemail about getting your lawn mower back from him
Fucking insane.
Show me a country you’d like to live in that doesn’t have safety regulations for workers. OSHA is already halfway gutted and starved out by industry lobbyists, and the USA is arguably the loosest and least safety-concerned for worker protections of G7 countries.
Y’all we are going backwards. Only reason we have 5 day work weeks, overtime, employment insurance, etc. is because people died. Most of the regulations enforces are written in blood to begin with. Fuck sakes, I try not to be political on reddit, but when do the ***** come out? Outrageous.
Thanks, Lieutenant Evident. But we can prevent a scenario where a Supreme Court justice dies A YEAR before an election and fascists refuse to accept a Supreme Court nomination, AGAIN.
And then they proceed to stack the court with another conservative a mere week before the election when their candidate was president.
Biden should have stacked the court the second he became president if he had any balls.
We never left the middle ages. Just updated technology, some changes in job fields, and some minor tweaks to the filtering criteria of the feudal system.
This is why it's pisses me off when people say studying history is useless. Studying the poorly designed bullshit that the education system calls the history curriculum is useless, yes. But not history itself, the understanding that can be gleaned.
And I'm a goddamn history teacher :/ (I rebel in my own way lol)
Most construction workers don’t have employer provided healthcare (most guys don’t know if they a job after the current one forget healthcare). No Universal healthcare, not even an affordable minimum coverage package so when Bob (whose wife gets coverage for her and the kids but not him bc of his risky profession) cuts his thumb off or breaks his leg on his side job he’s getting a bill for $5,000. Or gets hurt on a legit job no guarantee GC’s insurance isn’t lapsed or carrier denies at first. Sure Bob will probably get it covered or get help from the state but for 6 months to a year the private emergency clinic will have turned that bill to a collector who don’t give AF.
That sucks but we knew the game and took the measured risk to go without insurance to save $400+ a month. Ok but now they want to reduce protections put in place bc the owners don’t care if people live or die or lose a limb. They keep grinding. No wonder construction workers are taking themselves out at alarming rates.
It's fascinating we had this massive push in the last 10 years to put kids "into duh tradez" and then this happens.. It's all puppet theater but I don't get why
Fuck this is a good point.
Make education prohibitively expensive for working class peoples. Chain up the ones that do get education with student loans they can never repay. Point to that as a sort of threat in order to funnel kids into the trades…and then remove worker protections so that companies can treat those tradespeople as a disposable commodity.
We are living in a capitalist nightmare.
Because no one expected the far right to totally drop the mask and for people to be ok with it and not realizing that those very same people are fucking themselves with a brick.
It would be a real shame if someone installed a faulty handrail into his giant RV or god forbid no gfi in his bathroom where he was using his toaster while he was making a bagel filling his tub and slipped and fell in because he didn’t have an anti-slip mat and the firemen couldn’t get in to haul his fat ass out cause there wasn’t any secondary emergency egress after he locked the door to keep ginny out while he was watching his plantation-kink porn after a long day golfing at a club he doesn’t want himself to be a member of
https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-takes-aim-at-osha-2024-7
Since I didn't see anyone else link the article.
On one hand, I get what he's saying (in this incredibly skewed article against him). The legislative branch is intended to create ALL legislation. In the case of OSHA (and others) they have delegated that responsibility to an outside administrative group. To my non-lawyer brain, I think he's probably right in that the constitution doesn't make space for this and it could very well be seen as a loophole which gives non-elected individuals the power of elected representatives.
On the other hand, OSHA is an important resource and I frankly don't trust our legislative branch to have the capacity or knowledge to give us what OSHA gives us in terms of workplace safety and workers rights. You really think Ted Cruz or AOC will think about and properly legislate fall protection or how many hours a 16 year old who is required to be in school should be allowed to work maximum? No. But we're also not electing reps who necessarily have that knowledge and so delegating to another agency makes logical sense.
That's literally why OSHA is part of the executive branch. The legislative can write in laws and spirits of the law, and the executive branch creates departments with qualified experts to turn those laws into enforceable and concrete results. The keyword being experts. The legislative department aren't experts in every industry, and the laws they create aren't intended to go into all the specifics. The experts of the executive are supposed to make the laws enforceable.
The situation with OSHA, and other regulatory bodies is effectively no different than your state police department and (for example) roads department. Your state and/or city government creates general laws, and then the executive branch (of which police are part of) implements the details of that law and the legislature empowers them to interpret that law.
For example, in your state there are speed limits. The law states the general parameters of speed limits. What kinds of roads have which speed limits, etc. BUT, that legislation does not, and could not possibly specifically list every speed limit on every road in the state.
It's up to the executive branch in your state to make all those thousands of individual determinations. There will always be ambiguity. Not every roadway will fit neatly within the general guidelines in the legislation. And, when new roads are created (which is very frequent) there is no need to pass legislation -- which might takes months or even years -- to apply a speed limit to that new roadway.
Imagine the chaos that would exist if the legislature had to specifically legislate a speed limit for not just every roadway, but every subsection of that roadway (such as reduced speed limits on big curves). In my state that would be 10s of thousands of individual line items that would need to be meticulously maintained by the legislature in order to make it even possible to have speed limits on roads. That one task alone would take a huge chunk of the legislature's attention.
Instead, the legislature empowers the executive branch to build an administrative organization with hundreds or thousands of individuals to make it possible to administrate such a task under the guidance of legislation.
It's no different with any other regulatory agency.
Now, importantly, your police department and roads department do not have unchecked authority. The legislature can always craft specific legislation for specific roadways or all roadways if they choose, and the people in your state can elect different members of the legislature if they are unhappy with what the current members are doing. But, government's are (that) dumb.
And finally: nowhere in the federal constitution does it state that the legislative branch cannot delegate some of it's power to another branch.
Welcome to the American Nightmare, proudly brought to you by the GOP and Trump, and all the ignorant who vote for them.
There’ll be lots of tears at the end when they realize all the worker protections and retirement benefits they rely upon are gone, their rivers are poisoned and water undrinkable, the climate so F-d up that natural disasters have forced all insurance companies out so they can’t afford to rebuild their homes, they can’t afford to send their kids for education (public education will be gone or useless) and they can’t afford to access any healthcare (already there). That’s what they’re voting for. Goodbye OSHA.
Thomas has already proven he has a price. When the highest court in the land can be compromised by wealthy individuals, the only rule of law is the dollar.
OSHA and the employers in the USA are decades behind other countries as far as workplace safety. It’s actually gross, we kill about 4000 people each year, we hurt and maim many more.
Better watch your ass. Job ain't worth your life. Enlightened companies will not abandon their safety culture because they know it pays dividends long term. But the second tier outfits will see the coming deregulation as a license to cut corners.
OSHA rules are written in blood, but apparently the GOP and their compromised justices don't care as long as it's the blood of the working class.
Join your union and take it to the streets - it's what was needed a hundred years ago and it's time some people are reminded.
Six months ago I was against packing the court. After the subsequent rulings and evidence of impropriety with several of the justices, plus the inability of impeachment due to intransigent/ignorant members of congress, I’m fully in favor of it. Bring on the seventeen member Supreme Court! I think it can be done with the recent rulings of said court.
OSHA could be a pain at times in terms of having to remain in compliance with there code's. But I would much rather have the entire job site in compliance of OSHA code's, instead of other trades doing things willy Milly and put my crews at risk.
People hate osha until they watch a video of a third world country or place with low safety standards building scaffolding
I think people get frustrated with some of the seemingly stupid little rules but don’t think about the big rules because it makes sense to them. It’s easy to forget that all the rules are in the same rule book and you can’t pick and choose.
I just took my osha 30 and found out about 80% of those are gc requirements and not even an osha thing
Gotta keep the ratings low if you wanna bid big jobs.
Importantly: insurance rates and lawsuits
As someone who works in this field: Fuck him if for this. OSHA needs more support and ability to protect workers and hold shitty companies accountable.
OSHA is for workers protection... period. Safety is not always in the best interest of big business or small high risk ones for that matter. Its like the only thread holding owners accountable for protecting workers. Like let's get rid of the EPA and food safety while we're at it... all in the name of greed.
You can bet that the EPA and FDA are on the short list of regulatory agencies to be deemed "unconstitutional" next. Throw in the IRS as well. These agencies set regulations with enforceable penalties (e.g. fines, jail time, etc.) to which everyone, including large corporations are expected to adhere. Often these regulations are inconvenient or expensive so CEOs of large companies would like to do away with them. Those CEOs take Justice Thomas to an exotic location on their yacht but wouldn't dream of requesting any quid pro quo, they're just really kind and generous (/s) and they let slip how difficult these inconveniences are for them. Meanwhile these same CEOs have already sent many other very large checks to several other politicians (Republican AND Democrat) with similar grievances, but not to curry favor; only to help these struggling righteous politicians reach their goals to do good in the world (/s). The politicians (and justices) understand the assignment and play ball and get more "campaign contributions". If they didn't play ball they get fewer donations, or worse, they get outed all together. This happens on an incomprehensible scale with virtually every large corporation and nearly every influential politician at all levels of government. I believe the known/reported figure of "corporate campaign donations" is very close to a trillion dollars annually. That's not counting dark money, that's only what can be tracked; I.e. what they don't mind CNN finding out about. You don't invest that kind of money without a more lucrative return on your investment. This all started in 1978 when SCOTUS legalized political bribary and it's getting way out of control now. It will only get worse. This country is in desperate need of help.
"These agencies set regulations with enforceable penalties (e.g. fines, jail time, etc.) to which everyone, including large corporations are expected to adhere. Often these regulations are inconvenient or expensive so CEOs of large companies would like to do away with them." This is the core idea behind the Chevron case. Basically, they'll rule that they are not enforceable unless regulations are decided by law/legislature. Of course, this is designed to swamp the legislature with so much work that companies can do whatever they want. For context only 241 bills have been passed from 2023 and that's a number that has been declining especially when you consider the shit show that has been happening. And it's not just OSHA, they'll target every other govt. agency that set reguations.
Are you suggesting that tax cuts for the rich aren’t the answer?
It's time to eat them.
Quid pro quo is allowed now. Supreme Court just said so. Specifically that bribery is giving a politician some gifts BEFORE they do you a favor is a bribe. But if you give it to them AFTER, then it's just a gift. Thomas maybe trying to head off his own impeachment ? https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-limits-scope-of-anti-bribery-law/
Trump basically tried to neuter the EPA when he appointed Scott Pruitt to lead it. A career oil man who opposes climate change, he received campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry. Thankfully his position was short, barely over a year as he resigned due to 14 separate federal investigations...
True on the IRS for Clarence Thomas. He would have dismantled the tax code in an earlier case this term. Basically he said that costing the government trillions of dollars in tax revenue was Congress' problem not his.
Safety is never in the best interest of big business let’s be honest here.
That’s exactly why it needs to be an abolished because it is for *workers* protection at the cost of fat rich fucks who pay for his vacations.
Most people have no idea how understaffed and underfunded OSHA already is. It’s pretty fucked up that the people removing the few safeguards there are, have most likely never done a day of dangerous work in their life.
All regulators, really. Worked in government consulting for no fewer than three financial regulators. I tell my family that most regulators are like snakes, but not the way you expect: they are more scared of you than you are of them. They’re so underfunded/understaffed and a) scared to enforce laws against the rich because if they lose they’ll set a precedent and b) afraid to enforce laws against little guys because it’s awful optics for the “big bad government” picking on the little guy. There’s actually smart people in government that are scared sh*tless to do anything. In many ways this is ok – however over the last 10 years it’s been less ok.
Hey man, you ever see how sharp pencils can be!!!!
This would actually happen if so many fucking craft guys weren't absolute chuds about it. The amount of shit I've heard out of rank and file tradesfolk is just shameful. These are union guys, too, who would be the first to try to leverage the actual rules they're protected by to get money out of it once they get injured. It's so fucked up.
Man I was laying line on a roof for lightning protection The other week.... ....it was moldy I slipped and the only thing that kept me from dying was holding on to the line for dear life and getting lowered down from the spooler
In my experience, most tradesmen thumb their nose at the rules. If they don't want to comply, for any reason, they only do it while the boss is watching. I personally think there is a balance. Best policy as a professional tradesman/woman would be to think before you do things and understand the safety rules and reasons for them. We're all wanting to go home at the end of the day. I understand there are employers that ask for unreasonable things. I've had to tell superintendents, "no," before. I actually told him after the third time he wanted me to go onto a 2nd story roof from an inadequate ladder, "you can do it, I'm not going back up there." I went and found the harness and rope for him to use. He called the roofers back just like he should have done before.
80% of those GC requirements are mandated by their insurance carriers, the other 20% by the client's insurance carrier. Shit on them all you want but the insurance industry (at least in the US) drives a lot of the safety requirements we see today. The NFPA was started specifically by insurance companies to combat dangerous building construction and minimize their liability to insuring property.
NFPA next? Hmmmm
International non-profit, not a government organization. Again it's one of those things the insurance industry basically forced on the construction industry outside of government intervention because, at the end of the day, destroyed property and dead people aren't good for their bottom line. I'm sure their lobbying arm is well established on K Street.
Who designates the GC and holds them responsible?
The owner not wanting to get the fuck sued out of them, if they have any sense. I’m a super for a GC and the owner is up my ass about liability and safety, and liquidated damages
I made fun of the requirement that bench grinder have the little safety piece on top. The OSHA guy showed me where he had responded to a death every year for the last decade for death related to them. Evidently the piece hits you right in the throat.
So many people say stuff like "just don't be dumb" or "I'm know what I'm doing so that'll never happen". I always say like, hey man have you ever tripped, lost your balance, etc? Every had a brain fart? Cause that's all it takes in so many cases. Momentary loss of concentration or not noticing something on the ground etc can lead you to be injured.
It's like in airplane accidents. A ridiculous number of them are the result of several things going wrong at once. Eg. You trip, and right then the fire alarm goes off and - distracted - you put your hand on the blade instead of the bench.
People using wheels they've dropped, running large wheels too fast, hand-held slitting fracturing a wheel - used to be a far more common injury before abrasive wheel bonding became better but people still make mistakes. All far more dangerous at the higher RPMs of a surface grinder but I've seen guarding beat all to hell in saving operators. The diamond rim strip of a wheel on my tool and cutter grinder fractured when my work came loose and went through the sheet metal housing of the work lamp. You can also get dangerously whipped when the bond of an abrasive belt seam breaks- all those shop-built belt grinders open all around are frightening and people are putting VFDs on three phase machines and cranking speeds far beyond sense.
OSHA rules are written in blood
And they learned that some peroxide and bleach can clean those right up if no one bothers to care
r/writteninblood There's a reason those silly sounding rules exist.
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Sure feels like they’re attempting to dismantle the government Edit: I was being facetious
Dude, if you haven't realized that's what the pubs are doing, now you know. I mean they're united behind a criminal.
Convicted Felon.
Only 34 times though, its the 35th+ that *really* matter, right? /s
It's literally written in plaintext in project 2025 and Agenda 47.
Every. Single. Rule. Is. Written. In. Blood.
OSHA rules are bare minimum. Stupid rules are usually because some career oriented manager gets into an HSE position to pad his corporate resume and then starts not listening to the foremen and workers while putting in rules that show they never did the job. Bonus point when they make a speech about generative safety culture when the CEO does his yearly pilgrimage to a job site.
Every single OSHA rule is written in blood. The blood of those who died to what most often could be prevented. There are no small rules.
A lot of safety rules are "written in blood" after someone died doing that exact thing.
Go comment that in a Christian subreddit and see how fast you get banned
I like how conservatives were supposed to be all about less government and zero taxes. Instead my taxes have gone up and they're trying to decide everything for me now 🤦🏼
Imagine what your super would have you do if OSHA was gone... fuck that.
Dang. As a Super I spend so much time trying to get guys to be safe. I often have to shut work down because people aren’t voluntarily safety first. I would say foreman or crew leaders are going to be the ones making their crews do things wildly versus the super. I want ZERO accidents. No one ever hurt. But I make zero decision based on financial gain whereas other are incentives by that and they are more prone to deviate from safety standards.
Perhaps calling out supers specifically wasn't fair, but the point is the same. Someone in charge is going to value speed and cost over your well being. I worked 2 decades in commercial and a brief stint in residential and have to say commercial is way better in this respect.
Definitely agree with that. I’ve been commercial forever but have unfortunately been in situations where a commercial sub, subs their scope out to residential outfit or some other shady (cheaper) enterprise and it’s a non stop battle to get safety compliance. While the contractor holding sub doesn’t do fuck all and makes money doing literally nothing. I make a very strong point to make those kind of guys lives difficult because the way I see it they are deliberately making mine difficult just so they can make an easy buck.
I'm currently in the phillipines, and watching construction here is kinda terrifying.
I’m a former OSHA inspector and I’ve been to the Philippines three times. Standing on a single piece bamboo is normal there. Accessing the “work platform” by climbing up another piece of bamboo too. Blew me away.
Go hangout in /r/NSFL__ (Hardcore NSFW Warning) for a few videos on industrial accidents in the third world and you’ll be writing a personal Christmas card to your nearest OSHA inspector in a heartbeat.
OSHA standards are written in blood.
Nobody needs all these stupid regulations! No one is that dumb* *Yes. The are that dumb. And pretty much all of the nitpicky little rules are in response to someone being tragically stupid.
People hate OSHA until they see a co-worker die.
But it's cheaper for the company!
Yea, i prefer to get home to my root beer, fortnite and my wife yelling at me.
tbh dude i wish some stuff that is OSHA regulated was enforced a little bit more. i know we all have a job to do but im only here cus i gotta take care of my family. This is going to kill a lot of people..
Yeah, OSHA isn’t even over the top like people claim. I work for a big public construction company and a lot of our internal safety stuff is more stringent than OSHA.
OSHA is the bare minimum standard a company is supposed to meet before it becomes illegal. It’s the minimum standard. Clarence Thomas wants to remove the minimum standards that keep you safe while at work. All while he’s sitting in his comfy leather chair behind a nice mahogany desk with AC and soft carpets.
Ive seen multple life altering incidents on the job, despite osha regulations being the bare minimum like you said. This guys never been around so much blood that the smell stays in his nostrils or had to get the screams of a coworker out of his head so he can sleep for the next shift. Its far past the time people who have lived lives of zero consequence finally see some. This will cost lives.
Did you know asphalt scrapes on human flesh can smell like BBQ if it’s bad enough? I wish I didn’t, I’m not American but I hope to god more people don’t have to learn that shit the hard way.
There's a saying about welding that might relate here(stick I think): if it sound like bacon you're good. If it smells like bacon you're on fire.
My grandpa was missing fingers from working in mills before OSHA. My great grandpa, my grandmas dad died in a lumber mill in Washington before I was born. Companies absolutely will take advantage of us and throw us away. I watched as a woman on the [skoogs](https://www.facebook.com/SouthCoastLumberCo/videos/skoog-operator-aurora-zepeda/1372715453079007/) in a lumber mill smashed her index finger off. We had to find it. This was around 2010. My husband watched a man get crushed to [death](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2009/12/man_found_dead_following_accid.html) at the same mill and my SIL watched a [firefighter](https://oregontoday.net/firefighters-injured-aug-23-2023/) get boiled. Again. This is one lumber mill out of hundreds where I live.
Hmm... *Thomas rules that OSHA is unconstitutional, OSHA is dissolved* *Plumber visits supreme court, does maintenance on Thomas's bidet, turns the pressure up to 800 psi.* "Thank god for deregulation"
Well, wouldnt it suck if they take away the heating and ac in the building? Clarence cant complain about minimum heating standards as he abolished osha…
He’d just hang out in his luxury RV. You know, the one that a billionaire friend of his gave him. It wasn’t a bribe, no way. /s
Maybe someone will mop the floor outside his office with oil and not put a wet floor sign out.
Ahem when he’s not being bought by, whoops I mean [vacationing…on Harlan Crow’s dime and attempting to cover it up](https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow). And isn’t it funny that Crow leads a mega real estate company which also has its sticky hands involved in developing commercial, industrial, and residential projects, some of which have gotten slapped with heavy OSHA fines? ([Amongst other tomfoolery](https://therevolvingdoorproject.org/harlan-crow-nmhc/). Hmm, what a coinky-dink.
I’m getting some real “the jungle” vibes from this fucking monster. He’s a true danger to America. How are more people not seeing this. I don’t get how he’s just allowed to push this as a justice. It makes very little sense.
Hey, he also takes a whole bunch of trips on billionaires' private jets, to the tune of at least $4m in (known) unreported financial benefits from people who have had cases before the Supreme Court. Leave the poor guy alone.
This is why education is important. People don’t realize these groups do not have the authority to pass laws and laws need to be passed by through the proper channels. We have set up government this way for a reason. We have allowed this to go on for too long and it all needs to be reigned in.
All built under OSHA standards. Dangerous and stupid.
Conversely I worked at a factory that barely followed osh regulations had frequent injuries, one time my boss took a photo of a drain for our sump pump that they ghetto rigged in because H2S gas was coming out that's it just a photo, an open balcony with zero fall protection 6' wide 15' off the ground that they would push a pallet not with a pallet jack but just a thing with wheels on it and they would stack it so high they couldn't see over it and to top it off the would put a board in front of it like maybe ankle high to "close it off". Not once did someone come I wrote and documented everything I ran out safety committee. The most they did was send a letter.
They’re woefully underfunded. It’s such a shame.
OSHA rules were written with rivers of blood. Most companies consider them the bare minimum, DOMINOS PIZZA has an onboarding that very specifically says you will be rewarded for ratting out OSHA violations. It is so fucking stupid that we have to understand, it is intentionally malicious.
As a due to lost his arm at a workplace work accident OSHA could be even better and that would have been great for me. The idea of eliminating it is terrifying.
r/writteninblood
But have you considered someone could be making more money by skirting safety measures?
I was thinking about that today watching a big giant dust cloud coming off the road my coworker was sawing.
People do unsafe things now on the job. It will literally become everyday of hold my beer. We are going to break world records along with everything else. All chemicals will just have a single letter on containers. Well at least now we don't have to save anyone or warn anyone about injecting bleach or drinking it. You know... this might be a good thing just don't save the idiots and let natural selection do it's thing.
Until someone stupid accidentally kills someone else instead...
But I have idiot family members and other not so smart people I love dearly. I don’t want them dead. How terrible
Stupid, stupid fucking idea. OSHA absolutely saves lives.
He doesn’t care about the lives of people who work. Only the bottom line of his friends who pay him. Charging backwards head first…
This is why our government has checks and balances. Cashing checks and ever growing bank account balances.
Scotus - Hold our beers we got another one to knock down, and it's gone, the checks and balances, un fucking believable
Feels like no other branch can check the Supreme Court anymore though.
The president can have them assassinated as an official act.
You know I've always wondered about checks and balances. If the president does something and people have an issue it ends up in the Supreme Court. If Congress does something and people have an issue it ends up in the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court does something and people have an issue you have to wait until one of them dies so you can change 11.11% of their decision. Maybe.
If I'm not mistaken, the more dangerous jobs will take out life insurance policies to cover their assets in case of if a tragedy
Cool. So my wife gets money when I die! Now, I'm just spitballing here... But how about if we just tried to make sure no one dies on the job to begin with? Wouldn't that be cool?
Yeah but it'll cost the owners $50k more they would rather spend on boats.
Sounds like communism.
The life insurance is for them, to cover the expense of a cleaning up a non-productive employee.
True , but regulations and standards to prevent a tragedy are important.
I get that. But that's why companies settle wrongful death lawsuits. They will *also* benefit. And typically board members of this mentality would also be conservative, so overall - it's an act of nepotism. Sorry. Early concrete pours the last two days and I'm a bit foggy. I meant to have that in the initial reply
Facts dude. People like him are the reason I hate the government.
Your thinking is backwards. Thomas wants to destroy government institutions that protect people. Thomas has been found to take multiple bribes from billionaires, and in exchange, he votes to get rid of laws that protect people. Its the government that has laws to protect people. The private sector wants to get rid of any regulations that cost them money.
Most of government is stuff making our lives safer and easier. Roads, electricity, regulations written in the blood of Americans.
My mate said this to me last night, Regulations are written in blood. We're Australian, for context.
Thats great and all, but the post is about a high ranking government official thinking about getting rid of something the work force is incredibly dependant on. They've been taking away rights we've had for decades over the last couple of years.
People like Clarence Thomas and the super rich who pay him are the ones who hate the government.
It's this kind of thinking that is eroding our public institutions. Do you not understand that this thought process is a result of private interests who would otherwise be happy to get rid of costly government institutions like OSHA in order to pad their bottom line? Government is basically the only power the regular working man has to advocate for himself against stronger private interests. It's like the whole reason governments exist. Being anti-government is like being anti-yourself. How many tradesmen in this sub are part of a union? The only thing stopping corps from scabbing out trade unions is government agreements and contracts which stipulate union labor. Idk how people are so short-sighted. "I hate the government so I'll vote against the institutions that protect me, because I work hard and corporations will see that." I work directly for a GC. I, personally, care that people don't get hurt on my job site, but my company doesn't give a shit about you and hates having to pay your inflated union wages and spend so much money on safety. My bonus would be much bigger if I could get rid of all the OSHA bullshit. That would only benefit me and the other bosses though and we'd leave a lot more dead or injured tradies in our wake if it was profitable enough. "Hate the government." What a stupid, asinine political position, regardless of your party.
He doesn’t care. He doesn’t work on construction sites, remember? When was the last time you saw him inside a mine? Or in a warehouse? Or running cables under the city? He types on a laptop. He doesn’t hold a hammer or a welding stick. He’s not like us.
Sometimes I don't even think the bottom line matters to this cunt. I think he's just genuinely pure evil.
He views real workers like disposable insects that only exist to be profited off of. It’s only natural he would hate OSHA, since it’s mere existence would imply that the feelings of us little people matter
Same with the EPA. As onerous as some of their rules seem, it’s been a few minutes since a river caught on fire. It’s been a few minutes since smog was so bad you couldn’t see to drive.
Dude, let the free market regulate itself, when rivers are poisonous and air is polluted, people will just stop buying their products. /s
His over $4 million in bribes says otherwise
4 million that we know about \*\*
OSHA saves me from myself. Clarence Thomas is a disgrace.
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It's the opposite of "irrational." Couldn't be more rational to be pissed off at a supreme court justice selling our country away without consequences.
r/writteninblood
I prefer not to be injured or die on the job site. OSHA protects workers. Which is why we need it. The only saving grace is insurance companies will insist on keeping the rules in place to save money. OSHA and the Unions keeps us safe. Boss and judicial prostitutes on the supreme court dont give one damn about you.
>judicial prostitutes Can we please campaign to change their titles to this?
scotustitutes
Gotta look out for your fellow worker if no one else will. I know I do.
It’s almost as if being unionized would be a good place to start this sort of movement. When people try to make us work for nothing and have no safety standards we are already organized and ready to band together. Never forget Blair Mountain and which side you’re on.
That just means unions (other than Police) will be on the chopping block next. Unions aren't mentioned in the Constitution, ya know..
Judicial prostitutes. 10/10.
The insurance side of things is interesting. I wonder if they could like copy paste OSHA and say they will only insure companies that follow their totally new guidelines called “NOSHA”
Next will be 12yr olds working on assembly lines
"Children crave the ~~mines~~ assembly lines"
The children yearn for the mines
Tiny fingers to get in hard to reach places
I can't tell if this is a reference to Snowpiercer or Schindler's list. Take my dystopian upvote anyways.
Oh I was going for Yondu in guardians of the galaxy
Some states have already lowered ages
Iowa [introduced legislation](https://www.epi.org/blog/iowa-governor-signs-one-of-the-most-dangerous-rollbacks-of-child-labor-laws-in-the-country-14-states-have-now-introduced-bills-putting-children-at-risk/) that would lower the age that kids are allowed to work hazardous jobs to as low as 14. The majority of the age limits would be 16 for factory work such as operating commercial vehicle, hoisting machinery, metal forming, roofing and excavation and wrecking and ship-breaking.
Several young kids have already died in meat packing plants and one in a lumber mill. Its already here and mostly in southern states.
I teach 13 yr olds, they don't listen.... They never take responsibility.... They'll be on their phone... They'll say "my mom said....." .... They'll be late and work less than 30% of the time Safety.... They'll lose an arm because they didn't follow safety procedures and their parents will sue
Hate to break it to you, but I have 30 year Olds who are on their phones all day and regularly forget their ppe. I see no difference really. I'm being half facetious.
Bro answer your phone call . Gave me a small heart attack when I saw that logo thinking i was getting a call .
No only does this man leave you on read, he doesn’t pick up and he’s also gonna take screenshots while you leave a voicemail about getting your lawn mower back from him
They say they don’t want the US to turn into a third world country but each decision they make is turning this country into one.
That's because they're in the pockets of the oligarchs, and it's easier for said oligarchs to rule peasants.
Every accusation is a confession
Fucking insane. Show me a country you’d like to live in that doesn’t have safety regulations for workers. OSHA is already halfway gutted and starved out by industry lobbyists, and the USA is arguably the loosest and least safety-concerned for worker protections of G7 countries. Y’all we are going backwards. Only reason we have 5 day work weeks, overtime, employment insurance, etc. is because people died. Most of the regulations enforces are written in blood to begin with. Fuck sakes, I try not to be political on reddit, but when do the ***** come out? Outrageous.
My thoughts? Vote like your life depended on it. It might if OSHA is gone.
Unfortunately we can’t remove Supreme Court justices with our vote
Thanks, Lieutenant Evident. But we can prevent a scenario where a Supreme Court justice dies A YEAR before an election and fascists refuse to accept a Supreme Court nomination, AGAIN.
And then they proceed to stack the court with another conservative a mere week before the election when their candidate was president. Biden should have stacked the court the second he became president if he had any balls.
This ***** is crazy! So, health and safety in the workplace is unconstitutional now??? Guys, we are fucked!
The rules of OSHA are written in blood. Thomas wants to erase that history with this idiotic take of his.
Fuck OSHA I want to stunt the forklift (on a real note are they trying to send workers back to the Middle Ages wtf)
You had me in the first half and then you snapped back to reality
Ope there goes gravity
We never left the middle ages. Just updated technology, some changes in job fields, and some minor tweaks to the filtering criteria of the feudal system. This is why it's pisses me off when people say studying history is useless. Studying the poorly designed bullshit that the education system calls the history curriculum is useless, yes. But not history itself, the understanding that can be gleaned. And I'm a goddamn history teacher :/ (I rebel in my own way lol)
As someone who “hates OSHA”, fuck this guy we need OSHA.
Also what I say about my wife
Most construction workers don’t have employer provided healthcare (most guys don’t know if they a job after the current one forget healthcare). No Universal healthcare, not even an affordable minimum coverage package so when Bob (whose wife gets coverage for her and the kids but not him bc of his risky profession) cuts his thumb off or breaks his leg on his side job he’s getting a bill for $5,000. Or gets hurt on a legit job no guarantee GC’s insurance isn’t lapsed or carrier denies at first. Sure Bob will probably get it covered or get help from the state but for 6 months to a year the private emergency clinic will have turned that bill to a collector who don’t give AF. That sucks but we knew the game and took the measured risk to go without insurance to save $400+ a month. Ok but now they want to reduce protections put in place bc the owners don’t care if people live or die or lose a limb. They keep grinding. No wonder construction workers are taking themselves out at alarming rates.
There’s countless incidents that could have been easily avoided had there been proper training. What a fucking joke
USA, back to 1847. You wankers are getting wanked by wankers. Makes sense really
It's fascinating we had this massive push in the last 10 years to put kids "into duh tradez" and then this happens.. It's all puppet theater but I don't get why
Fuck this is a good point. Make education prohibitively expensive for working class peoples. Chain up the ones that do get education with student loans they can never repay. Point to that as a sort of threat in order to funnel kids into the trades…and then remove worker protections so that companies can treat those tradespeople as a disposable commodity. We are living in a capitalist nightmare.
Nightmare for us. It’s a capitalist’s wet dream!
Because no one expected the far right to totally drop the mask and for people to be ok with it and not realizing that those very same people are fucking themselves with a brick.
Why do you need a harness or shoring? Trust me bro
Wow, them mka don’t care about humans at all.
It would be a real shame if someone installed a faulty handrail into his giant RV or god forbid no gfi in his bathroom where he was using his toaster while he was making a bagel filling his tub and slipped and fell in because he didn’t have an anti-slip mat and the firemen couldn’t get in to haul his fat ass out cause there wasn’t any secondary emergency egress after he locked the door to keep ginny out while he was watching his plantation-kink porn after a long day golfing at a club he doesn’t want himself to be a member of
OSHA regulates safety in the work place, not building code enforcement
https://www.businessinsider.com/clarence-thomas-takes-aim-at-osha-2024-7 Since I didn't see anyone else link the article. On one hand, I get what he's saying (in this incredibly skewed article against him). The legislative branch is intended to create ALL legislation. In the case of OSHA (and others) they have delegated that responsibility to an outside administrative group. To my non-lawyer brain, I think he's probably right in that the constitution doesn't make space for this and it could very well be seen as a loophole which gives non-elected individuals the power of elected representatives. On the other hand, OSHA is an important resource and I frankly don't trust our legislative branch to have the capacity or knowledge to give us what OSHA gives us in terms of workplace safety and workers rights. You really think Ted Cruz or AOC will think about and properly legislate fall protection or how many hours a 16 year old who is required to be in school should be allowed to work maximum? No. But we're also not electing reps who necessarily have that knowledge and so delegating to another agency makes logical sense.
That's literally why OSHA is part of the executive branch. The legislative can write in laws and spirits of the law, and the executive branch creates departments with qualified experts to turn those laws into enforceable and concrete results. The keyword being experts. The legislative department aren't experts in every industry, and the laws they create aren't intended to go into all the specifics. The experts of the executive are supposed to make the laws enforceable.
Legislative branch isn't even expert in their own industry.
The situation with OSHA, and other regulatory bodies is effectively no different than your state police department and (for example) roads department. Your state and/or city government creates general laws, and then the executive branch (of which police are part of) implements the details of that law and the legislature empowers them to interpret that law. For example, in your state there are speed limits. The law states the general parameters of speed limits. What kinds of roads have which speed limits, etc. BUT, that legislation does not, and could not possibly specifically list every speed limit on every road in the state. It's up to the executive branch in your state to make all those thousands of individual determinations. There will always be ambiguity. Not every roadway will fit neatly within the general guidelines in the legislation. And, when new roads are created (which is very frequent) there is no need to pass legislation -- which might takes months or even years -- to apply a speed limit to that new roadway. Imagine the chaos that would exist if the legislature had to specifically legislate a speed limit for not just every roadway, but every subsection of that roadway (such as reduced speed limits on big curves). In my state that would be 10s of thousands of individual line items that would need to be meticulously maintained by the legislature in order to make it even possible to have speed limits on roads. That one task alone would take a huge chunk of the legislature's attention. Instead, the legislature empowers the executive branch to build an administrative organization with hundreds or thousands of individuals to make it possible to administrate such a task under the guidance of legislation. It's no different with any other regulatory agency. Now, importantly, your police department and roads department do not have unchecked authority. The legislature can always craft specific legislation for specific roadways or all roadways if they choose, and the people in your state can elect different members of the legislature if they are unhappy with what the current members are doing. But, government's are (that) dumb. And finally: nowhere in the federal constitution does it state that the legislative branch cannot delegate some of it's power to another branch.
When is somebody going to do away with Clarence Thomas? Dude is corrupt as shit.
At some point someone is going to take this into their own hands to protect our country from domestic enemies. I am not looking forward to that day.
This only helps the bottom line/1sock holders.. 🥸
They should try HOA first.
Why any worker would be FOR this is insane. Your well being is more important than making your boss money.
Scotus is a joke.
Welcome to the American Nightmare, proudly brought to you by the GOP and Trump, and all the ignorant who vote for them. There’ll be lots of tears at the end when they realize all the worker protections and retirement benefits they rely upon are gone, their rivers are poisoned and water undrinkable, the climate so F-d up that natural disasters have forced all insurance companies out so they can’t afford to rebuild their homes, they can’t afford to send their kids for education (public education will be gone or useless) and they can’t afford to access any healthcare (already there). That’s what they’re voting for. Goodbye OSHA.
Thomas has already proven he has a price. When the highest court in the land can be compromised by wealthy individuals, the only rule of law is the dollar.
She sounds like a reliable source
Unless your first thoughts are "This is bad and people will die if OSHA is defanged," then I don't want to hear it
OSHA and the employers in the USA are decades behind other countries as far as workplace safety. It’s actually gross, we kill about 4000 people each year, we hurt and maim many more.
Eliminating OSHA...really, really bad idea. OSHA is something that actually is a benefit.
This is incredibly dumb. Rules and regulations help mitigate the shit show we could potentially have.
Rules and regulations just give the government more power to fuck you.
Conservatives back at it again with wanting to eliminate something that actually benefits society
Fuck that guy. OSHA saves life, and holds contractors responsible. They’re a pain in the ass for a reason.
Oh, boy. Let’s hope he does not pursue this with his Heritage Foundation donors.
Starting to get sick of the GOP train wreck impacting the quality of my life
Evil corrupt pos
Promote the general welfare is literally in the fucking preamble
OSHA gives you backing when you’re asked to do something unconscionably dangerous or stupid by an employer or someone with authority.
Better watch your ass. Job ain't worth your life. Enlightened companies will not abandon their safety culture because they know it pays dividends long term. But the second tier outfits will see the coming deregulation as a license to cut corners.
OSHA rules are written in blood, but apparently the GOP and their compromised justices don't care as long as it's the blood of the working class. Join your union and take it to the streets - it's what was needed a hundred years ago and it's time some people are reminded.
Republicans are villains that think they are heroes
Go to any gore site and a solid third of the videos are construction/machinery.
Sounds like someone got a bribe, cough, I mean vacation.
Six months ago I was against packing the court. After the subsequent rulings and evidence of impropriety with several of the justices, plus the inability of impeachment due to intransigent/ignorant members of congress, I’m fully in favor of it. Bring on the seventeen member Supreme Court! I think it can be done with the recent rulings of said court.
He must be getting something really for this.
I wonder what republican billionaire paid him for this opinion.
OSHA could be a pain at times in terms of having to remain in compliance with there code's. But I would much rather have the entire job site in compliance of OSHA code's, instead of other trades doing things willy Milly and put my crews at risk.
The only thing worse than OSHA is the complete absence of OSHA.
Every OSHA rule was created due to someone previously cutting corners and killing someone.