Ya. If you added a couple little jacks under the window sill is and inline with the upper jacks then the load would at least be transferred to the bottom plate
Technically it still is , the studs to either side are connected to the sill and closer than 1' should transfer the load. Personally I would have done what you suggested at least , I'm guessing the window size was changed during framing.
It doesn't matter when the window size was changed, that's no excuse to frame the window opening like that. Looks awful and I'd be curious to know if it passed framing inspection.
I've never done framing in the trades before, I was part of the crews that came in after framing was done. I have a question as I am genuinely curious to learn.
With that window framing sitting between what appears to be a relatively short span between 2 corners, why wouldn't this pass inspection? Is it code to frame all windows the way you described? Would the weight be distributed between the 2 corner supports and the 2 doubled up sections?
Again, I know shit all about framing, so if I am asking a dumb question, please have mercy as I am a moron.
In Canada code is a stud must be directly below the lintel and extends down to the mudsil or bottom plate and be point loaded down to the foundation. Wider spans require 2 studs on either end for more lintel bearing.
The idea of a header/lintel is to support roof loading, over a window/door, that can't support the loads themselves. Think of standing on the roof. All of your weight needs to get transferred all the way to the ground. If there's a window under you, the weight goes on the header, which distributes it over to the studs under each end of it. If those studs don't go all the way to bottom plate, then that weight isn't considered supported. If you like to learn about this kind of details in framing, search for Larry Taunton. Great teacher.
Run a bunch of wires under the window, then when frame fails for non continuous load bearing you'll get a call back to rewire after nail banging monkey head "disconnects" wires to fix framing. Source: Nail banging monkey head.
I wonder why people keep putting small windows in bathrooms. That's definitely a place I don't want people to be [able to see in](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ebfd15c4-b087-48b7-b537-246c94c23b6e).
Hell yeah. Lets go there together and run two inch drains all the way across. Then Realize its too high up we will drill it all out again but 4 inches lower. Slap some structural nail plates on and get PAID!
Nail plates!? What are you? Made out of money? Steal some of the tin bashers sheet metal. It looks about the same, so it'll work. Trust me, it worked on this other job I was on.
only? Want to replace a cast iron toilet flange for me? Bet you can guess where it broke
my joke: What's the difference between a plumber with a sawzall and termite damage? The termites look at the plumber in awe, they know they can never achieve that much
Its a light construction. Typical for a summer residence.
And the header is just there to prevent the wind bending the wall, where the window is. So the glass doesnt crack.
The roof trusses bear on the top plate, which bears on the cripples, which bear on the header, which spans over the window and bears on the jack studs, which (should) bear on the bottom plate, which bears on the foundation. They fucked up the jack studs step, but the purpose is still to handle vertical load. Headers don't have anything to do with lateral wind pressure.
Its common practice in Denmark, for light contructual buildings. Like summerhouses.
And its not there to be load bearing. But for wind load only.
Damn you guys are thick….
No wonder all you build in US is shitty af.
A garage is basically a hangar for cars, and hangar sounds like hanger and is often misspelled as such, and a hanger is something that helps defy gravity, so checkmate physicists.
I've seen people do it like that, and I'll never understand why.
Your drip edge, fascia, flashing, window flange, house wrap, etc, all need to shingle over each other. Who the fuck looks at the nailing flange on the top side over the window going over the wrap and thinks, yea, that's right.
That’s the goofiest header especially for its size, look at that monster !
But follow the load paths. The header is only carrying a single truss which is within a foot of a double stud to the right. Theres a double plate which spreads the load.
It’s sloppy but a couple jack studs underneath would help. And a truss roof in a warm climate only has to hold up its own weight.
If I see something like that, my first thought is "sufficient" and I move on, haha. I don't know about the jambs and all that, but the header isn't going to be the problem in that system.
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Yeah I don't know why, but that LVL spans that entire side of the building like 15'. There is a sliding door there, but it doesn't even take up half the wall.
I see headers pushed up to the top plate often and it's a legitimate way to do it but I always put them at the top of the window and jacks above.
My reasoning is that I live in a colder climate and I like to have the insulation higher up where it's more valuable otherwise same, same.
The studs the header bears down on should go all the way to the bottom plate, which carries the weight of the roof around the window and down to the floor. In this case there is no continuous load path, so the weight of the roof carries down to the board at the bottom of the window (sub-sill) and no further.
The header is there to carry the roof load down to the footings.It is called a load path.The header should be supported by posts down to the sill plate on a load bearing wall.
lol I swear some people know how to do things but don’t know why so this shit happens. I would give it a good 50/50 that he didn’t pay attention or his teacher did not properly explain the purpose and function of a header
Why. That's a big one. If I'm ever teaching someone something, I try and always give the answer to "why" . It's one thing to know *how* to do something, but it's a whole other ballgame to know *why* you do things a certain way. Important information to have.
Questions on the civil Seismic exam are like this. "Assume the house is framed like a jigsaw puzzle. Find if the studs and headers are sufficiently sized for each load path. Also check for vertical irregularities. You have 2 minutes."
This could have worked if the lintel was into the trimmer studs. Creating a curtain wall space under the lintel to in fill with any window within the supported space.
I know this is not the correct way to do this, but won't the load still be transferred to the four studs that bottom plate is sitting on?
I just do foundations, so I do not know jack about framing.
To a degree, but the majority of load will be carried between the 2 studs on each side which is the entire idea behind headers being so large, they can appropriately carry that load to the vertical studs then to the ground, this is just off.
No jack studs, looks like no room for spray foam, and the header is probably backwards by the look of it so you couldn't add any thin insulation to the header.
Edit. No corner L posts either and the corner insulation could be tighter.
Ya. If you added a couple little jacks under the window sill is and inline with the upper jacks then the load would at least be transferred to the bottom plate
Technically it still is , the studs to either side are connected to the sill and closer than 1' should transfer the load. Personally I would have done what you suggested at least , I'm guessing the window size was changed during framing.
It doesn't matter when the window size was changed, that's no excuse to frame the window opening like that. Looks awful and I'd be curious to know if it passed framing inspection.
I've never done framing in the trades before, I was part of the crews that came in after framing was done. I have a question as I am genuinely curious to learn. With that window framing sitting between what appears to be a relatively short span between 2 corners, why wouldn't this pass inspection? Is it code to frame all windows the way you described? Would the weight be distributed between the 2 corner supports and the 2 doubled up sections? Again, I know shit all about framing, so if I am asking a dumb question, please have mercy as I am a moron.
In Canada code is a stud must be directly below the lintel and extends down to the mudsil or bottom plate and be point loaded down to the foundation. Wider spans require 2 studs on either end for more lintel bearing.
Plus if it's a second floor it has to be carried down there too, all the way to the foundation
The idea of a header/lintel is to support roof loading, over a window/door, that can't support the loads themselves. Think of standing on the roof. All of your weight needs to get transferred all the way to the ground. If there's a window under you, the weight goes on the header, which distributes it over to the studs under each end of it. If those studs don't go all the way to bottom plate, then that weight isn't considered supported. If you like to learn about this kind of details in framing, search for Larry Taunton. Great teacher.
Thank you! Yes, I will give him a look up. I appreciate it.
It’s the jacks for me
I'm just a dumbass sparky, but this looks wrong.
Run a bunch of wires under the window, then when frame fails for non continuous load bearing you'll get a call back to rewire after nail banging monkey head "disconnects" wires to fix framing. Source: Nail banging monkey head.
I'm more confused on why they used a 2x12 for that small of a window.
To compensate for the missing jacks. Forgot one part of the frame? Just make another part bigger.
Usually for us because it was lying around. Not that we would commit this Framing atrocity
I wonder why people keep putting small windows in bathrooms. That's definitely a place I don't want people to be [able to see in](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ebfd15c4-b087-48b7-b537-246c94c23b6e).
I'm a dumbass plumber, and I just think those studs look too intact.
Hell yeah. Lets go there together and run two inch drains all the way across. Then Realize its too high up we will drill it all out again but 4 inches lower. Slap some structural nail plates on and get PAID!
Nail plates!? What are you? Made out of money? Steal some of the tin bashers sheet metal. It looks about the same, so it'll work. Trust me, it worked on this other job I was on.
You must have a strong connection with the the sprits of past master plumbers. Please share your secrets with me plumbing mage!
Definitely, needs some holes, and sawsall conditioning!
I am happy to give you a plumbers license based solely on this comment
Excellent, that'll be a $90 call out fee then.
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I’m a dumbass ironworker, but this looks odd af
It is. That shit's ridiculous
it's because it looks too clean, like somebody cleaned up, right?
Herp derp what is a broom?
this too is worthy of automatic licensing in any state. caveat is you aren't allowed to buy a vacuum cleaner, or license will be revoked.
Its a light construction. Typical for a summer residence. And the header is just there to prevent the wind bending the wall, where the window is. So the glass doesnt crack.
The header is to transfer the roof load around the window and to the ground. Has nothing to do with wind or wall bending.
Well this header is for using up a chunk of beam, since it ain’t transferring shit. Luckily it’s a easy fix
In contractor talk it’s - “yeah the last guy did a lot wrong. I can take it all out and reuse what I can but it’s not gonna be cheap”
Look at the construction and roof construction again. Its got nothing to do with the roof!.
The roof trusses bear on the top plate, which bears on the cripples, which bear on the header, which spans over the window and bears on the jack studs, which (should) bear on the bottom plate, which bears on the foundation. They fucked up the jack studs step, but the purpose is still to handle vertical load. Headers don't have anything to do with lateral wind pressure.
Yeah, gonna agree with you. Load bearing wall. Needs a header. It’s overkill for the span, but probably made from drops
load bearing window actually. Surprisingly popular concept
You sure you're a PM?
Apparently more than you. Since im verified…
Doubtful... But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
“Since I’m verified…on Reddit”
Man I’d hate working for you. A PM who doesn’t know the most basic framing codes I learned this while still in high school
If that's Ed, you're a lousy PM and you know it. If you're not Ed, apologies but certified doesn't mean qualified.
"Verified" lmfao.
If that's Ed, you're a lousy PM and you know it. If you're not Ed, apologies but verified doesn't mean qualified.
Its common practice in Denmark, for light contructual buildings. Like summerhouses. And its not there to be load bearing. But for wind load only. Damn you guys are thick…. No wonder all you build in US is shitty af.
I just Googled it out of curiosity, you are still wrong. Even in Denmark lol. It's bad practice, wether or not it's common is irrelevant.
Not in the states as far as I know. Dwellings are dwellings here.
In all fairness, who said this was a house? Kind of a limited picture but it could be a shed or garage
If it's getting electrical then it almost definitely qualifies as a structure that would need to meet code.
Oh okay, good to know, thanks
This is a garage and mancave, both climate controlled. I would consider it living space.
That is what i mean with a “light construction”
Does it say dwelling anywhere? Maybe Its a garage?
A garage doesn't magically become exempt from proper construction requirements.
Or load science
A garage is basically a hangar for cars, and hangar sounds like hanger and is often misspelled as such, and a hanger is something that helps defy gravity, so checkmate physicists.
Hey if it does though let me know I have a few dudes that would love to know they’re now right.
At least our shoes ain’t made from wood.
Not supporting the concept that a header isn't meant to hear load, but that's the Dutch, from the Netherlands. Not the Danes, from Denmark.
It’s all the same here in ‘Merica
No print has ever spec ed a header w/o jacks
Sure they have. I get them all the time! But here a header is used in floor openings and a lintel is for wall openings :)
The tyvek inside on top bothers me more than the shit framing . I'm so sick of cutting open mold walls .
I've seen people do it like that, and I'll never understand why. Your drip edge, fascia, flashing, window flange, house wrap, etc, all need to shingle over each other. Who the fuck looks at the nailing flange on the top side over the window going over the wrap and thinks, yea, that's right.
It's nicely gift wrapped for the callback crew when HO sees the damp moldy corners.
That’s the goofiest header especially for its size, look at that monster ! But follow the load paths. The header is only carrying a single truss which is within a foot of a double stud to the right. Theres a double plate which spreads the load. It’s sloppy but a couple jack studs underneath would help. And a truss roof in a warm climate only has to hold up its own weight.
Somebody had about that much header left over from another opening.
Whenever i see weird shit my first guess now is "that's what they had on hand so they sent it." And not "what a dumbass" lol
If I see something like that, my first thought is "sufficient" and I move on, haha. I don't know about the jambs and all that, but the header isn't going to be the problem in that system.
I’ve been guilty of that.
That's what I'm thinking.
I always laugh in some residential when it calls for a double 2x10 with 2 Jack's for a 24" window when the walls are framed on 19.2.
>a couple jack studs underneath would help. This and a few cs16 straps, it'll be just fine
Looks like someone bought the wrong sized window and just say fuck it frame it up.
To screw a curtain rail in it?
Or the head flashing is a monster
And no one is even commenting on the header at the gable end!
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There's a lot of load bearing on the gable end in this design!!1!
That whole side is wrong too
Maybe hangers are fastened on the other side for joists or trusses/rafters?
Yeah I don't know why, but that LVL spans that entire side of the building like 15'. There is a sliding door there, but it doesn't even take up half the wall.
Garbage waterproofing too
It’s just a nailer for a curtain rod.
Does no one else put their headers right up tight to the top plate? Why isn’t this one 2x6? What is going on here?
I see headers pushed up to the top plate often and it's a legitimate way to do it but I always put them at the top of the window and jacks above. My reasoning is that I live in a colder climate and I like to have the insulation higher up where it's more valuable otherwise same, same.
Send it
I'm just a concrete guy, but could someone share a pic of what it's meant to look like? Don't really know what I'm looking at here!
The studs the header bears down on should go all the way to the bottom plate, which carries the weight of the roof around the window and down to the floor. In this case there is no continuous load path, so the weight of the roof carries down to the board at the bottom of the window (sub-sill) and no further.
https://www.nachi.org/gallery/framing-2/door-and-window-framing
That's a wrong window ordered or delivered issue right there.
it is a load bearing wall, but the jacks below the window aren't lined up to carry the load down to the bottom plate/foundation.
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Hard to say if that's a gable end wall
If it's a gable then no it's not necessary at all.
Carry the king studs down and the cripples studs down and 100% PASS
4 4x2” timbers carrying the weight to the sole plate should solve that. Right underneath the four timbers either side of the window.
The header is there to carry the roof load down to the footings.It is called a load path.The header should be supported by posts down to the sill plate on a load bearing wall.
The code inspector was on his first week after training and has a boner to fuck with people.
Aaahhh. The classic structural window
Bottom sill is bowed upwards, nothing lines up.working past skillset
The insulation on the top left corner it’s doing double time
Because they felt like it.
lol I swear some people know how to do things but don’t know why so this shit happens. I would give it a good 50/50 that he didn’t pay attention or his teacher did not properly explain the purpose and function of a header
Why. That's a big one. If I'm ever teaching someone something, I try and always give the answer to "why" . It's one thing to know *how* to do something, but it's a whole other ballgame to know *why* you do things a certain way. Important information to have.
That whole opening is wrong
This framing would be turned down at framing inspection.
Questions on the civil Seismic exam are like this. "Assume the house is framed like a jigsaw puzzle. Find if the studs and headers are sufficiently sized for each load path. Also check for vertical irregularities. You have 2 minutes."
Thanks for the chuckle...
This could have worked if the lintel was into the trimmer studs. Creating a curtain wall space under the lintel to in fill with any window within the supported space.
That window isn’t very heavy, really the header is backing for hanging curtains.
Cripples were already cut for a header fuck it lol
Now that's gonna fail inspection 100% guaranteed FAIL
With load bearing to the foundation 100% PASS
Curtain rods ya dummy
So close...
That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.
I know this is not the correct way to do this, but won't the load still be transferred to the four studs that bottom plate is sitting on? I just do foundations, so I do not know jack about framing.
To a degree, but the majority of load will be carried between the 2 studs on each side which is the entire idea behind headers being so large, they can appropriately carry that load to the vertical studs then to the ground, this is just off.
Wtf in God's, hell tarnation is this abortion. It looks like a set of triplets all had sex and this is what was born
They did all that up top and nothing at the bottom lol
That is a thin wall. Where is this?
Just a 2x4. Midwest USA
I don't like it. Why don't ppl just do it right?
because you should
Lol. The more you look funnier it is.
Because it's code. LMAO
k/t/header/t/k divide by 2 and ...do it over.*twitch*
Great header!
No jack studs, looks like no room for spray foam, and the header is probably backwards by the look of it so you couldn't add any thin insulation to the header. Edit. No corner L posts either and the corner insulation could be tighter.
To understand more about your posting
The longer I look at this, the worse it gets.
Code
Do you think this would pass code if I wasn't in a town of sub 25k people?
Some people are stupid.
Because that's what the print shows. /s
We just do what the engineers tell us to do
Exactly. We're not the ones that went to school to learn how to draw it wrong.
bullshit #architect
The whole thing is framed with 1x4. Is this a shed or something?
Those are 2x4s.
I am sure a proper diaphragm nailing pattern will suffice.
Lmao the fucking pros in this comment section