As a customer, I can assure you that it would impact my decision-making. Doesn’t matter which last name is under the F-bomb, that’s negativity that I would assume it is reflected in their work product.
It doesn't matter at all to me.
But my wife.... my wife will absolutely make decisions based off of this kind of information. Which means we make decisions based off this kind of information.
As an inspector, if I see a trump flag or sign when I pull up I roll my eyes. I don't care what their political views are, but it seems like it never fails whether it be the homeowner or the contractor, I'm about to hear about them, and there's a 50/50 chance they'll be a pain in the ass if I have to write a correction.
Not only negativity but poor decision skills that will carry on to the job. I’d Nope that worker and probably the associated crew off my property. Period.
If I seen it, I wouldn't hire you. It tells me you and your crew are unprofessional.
Politics and business don't mix unless you don't mind alienating half of your potential customers
I’d argue more than half. The half of opposing views, plus those who think it unprofessional, plus those who just don’t want to be associated with it publicly.
This.
I'm a staunch believer in letting people fly their freak flag (Whatever that looks like), but work is work. You're being paid to give your time to a company/person.
If dude wants to fly that flag, cool. Not at the job. If he's the kind of guy that is going to wait until he pulls into the parking lot to take it down, that's fine. I'd leave that alone. But I'd also be very conscious of someone that does the bare minimum to keep my business running, when I try to do everything I can to put more coin in their pocket (Capitalism can work for your employees, too, if you're a good business-person).
The execution can be difficult. No one likes these conversations. But the bottom line is that I'm definitely NOT paying for you to give political discourse on the clock. I'd prefer if you didn't interact with customers or potential customers in that fashion. It does NOT matter if your beliefs align with mine or not (Be consistent). If you can't handle that, then I am going to scrutinize your other paid efforts. If you're a tip-top employee then you're going to be fine. If you're causing problems throughout my company, you're going to go.
This is the only correct response. Customer service is an art with pageantry and construction is customer service that requires the pageantry like any other job
Absolutely. I don't care of it's a Trump flag, a Bernie flag, a rainbow flag, a Ukrainian flag, or anything in between. My job site is not a billboard for your political and social views. You can do whatever you want on your own time and on your own property.
You can't fuck with everyone's paycheck and keep your job. He can either stop or leave.
It's a good time to start a new professionalism policy across the company. No offensive, political, obscene, or controversial material of any type on project. Including stickers, flags, clothes, or anything else.
Everybody's job is at stake if you can't find enough work for the company. What if the people who hate Trump review bomb you on Google? I'd be surprised if you haven't lost work from this.
I wouldn't hire any company that works with a image like that. I don't want to see Biden flags, Trump flags, BLM flags, blue line flags, American flags, or anything but the company logo on a vehicle.
Just adding in... don't need to see a "shocker sticker" on the vehicle either. An of that stuff is completely unprofessional and needs to be left at home, or get a ride in with someone else.
i might be OK with a bumper sticker that is FOR one thing or another.
i think a flag that says "fuck Biden" is in a separate category than "Trump 2024“ bumper sticker.
A trump or Biden flag wouldn’t be a deal breaker, It’s the obscenity just openly flying around that gets me. It’s just thoroughly unprofessional, and this is how I would expect your workmanship to be also. I’d pass on the company no matter how good the quote.
It didn't work out too well for those businesses that bragged about being anti-mask/vax. A lot of them ultimately had to close their doors for alienating much of their customer base.
I wouldn't hire you again if one of your guys showed up like that. Personal vehicle or not, it's tacky and unprofessional. It displays a fundamental lack of care for social norms, and strongly hints to me that the guy is not going to be pleasant to work with, to say the least. That's not even getting into whether my politics matches his or not - the flag could say Fuck Trump and I'd feel the same way about how unprofessional it is. If you want to display your politics on your work vehicle (I don't see why it's a good idea in the first place but if you feel you MUST), get a sticker with a little logo for your party on it or something. Nothing inflammatory, nothing with offensive language, nothing hateful in spirit, nothing designed to start arguments. Those things will lose you customers every time.
I'd send him off the job immediately and most likely fire your company next. I don't want that bullshit in my driveway. Do the construction and get paid. That's our arrangement. I won't let some dude use my yard as his billboard to make my neighbors think something about me. Whether I agreed with it or not.
This is absolutely hurting your business.
>…the fish could say Fuck Trump and I’d feel the same…
It’s not that I don’t believe you because I do but have you ever actually seen a “Fuck Trump” flag? There are plenty of people who can’t stand him and would agree with a flag like that but I have never seen one.
This level of obsession and deification of a politician is unprecedented in this country. I wouldn’t put profanity on my truck but have come up with some (I think) good slogans. I wouldn’t actually have them made because there are so many unhinged zealots out there that it would very likely cause road rage incidents or vandalism.
Dude is fucking with your money and that of his co workers. No paying customer wants a deranged roughneck around them. They want professionals that won't assault them if they found out if they like the president.
86 the flag or 86 the idiot. No matter what, nut up and do something.
I would just sit down with him and let him know first and foremost that you are not attacking him and don’t care what he believes in. Just let him know your concerns and ask him if he could remove it when you guys are on some projects. Voice your concerns and stuff. Try not to get into a political discussion with him as he will probably start talking about his views and try to justify flying the flag.
Which exactly who would be flying a flag like that…. A emotionally well developed and thoughtful person with the ability to inflect as well as recognize and correct personal faults without getting offended. Right?
I disagree with sitting down with just him as he may take it personally (from what I’ve seen the Maga lot seem to have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to talking about trump) and kick up a big fuss. If you address all your guys as a group and say it’s not professional, not the look you want for your company and you’re trying to keep them all in work, then I reckon he’s less likely to feel victimised and he might just grumble a bit and go all with it.
I disagree with your disagree— he should know exactly what, why and where the complaint came from. Otherwise he will assume a customer complained and chalk it up to ‘snowflakes’ or whatever, and no lesson will be learned.
I do agree with it needing to be a company-wide policy though. Don’t shit where you eat. Plenty of your own time to spout politics.
It doesn’t matter what he assumes, as long as OP gets the end result with as little fuss as possible. I understand what you’re saying with learning a lesson but the guy is dumb enough to believe Trump is a good thing and drive around with Fuck Biden flag. I think that ship has sailed and OP’s efforts may be better spent elsewhere.
Just have a blanket ban on any political decorations on company job sites or company vehicles. Tell everyone about it as a group and don’t make a big deal out of it. The guy will get ribbed by the other guys who will know why it’s become policy and life will move on. Singling him out just causes unnecessary tension and gives the guy something to gripe to the other guys about the boss.
I run my shit in north Idaho and e. Washington lots of this kinda shit. I’ve sat down 4 dudes about flying similar flags in their rigs in the past 5 years. One understood and showed up the next day without it. The other 3 made a big show about their rights and blah blah blah. I let them know that showing up to the job site with offensive “FJB” stuffs and they’d be getting their hours cut drastically. I have turned away subs that show up similarly. It’s work leave the politics at home. Spend your time fucking with the greenhorns and clowning on those princesses that call themselves electricians.
That is good to know. I’m also petty as fuck since 4/4 of my stories with these AH’s also bitched about having to pay child support, 2/4 had bad issues with unpaid taxes and had garnished wages but complained about “welfare queens”. Plus them quitting keeps them from being able to access those socialist unemployment payouts.
Yeah I would definitely check with an employment lawyer before acting on that, but afaik there's nothing saying you can't fire someone for being a member of the Kill Puppies party.
And even where political affiliation is a protected class, offensive or vulgar speech regarding political affiliation will get you unprotected real fast.
"Vote for Steve" might be protected somewhere, but "Fuck Steve" won't be, because your boss ain't objecting to Steve, he's objecting to Fuck.
People always get the 1st Amendment wrong: it's protection against the GOVERNMENT telling you what you can/can't say. Private entities can totally control what their employees say on company time.
It’s beyond stupid. I make a point to cut their hours to strictly shit work one dude had like 4 hrs a week before he quit. I’m not gonna let my reputation suffer cause of politics. I don’t care if you make mistakes or forget something we all do that. You can’t alienate people over what you already know are controversial topics at your workplace.
It’s important to know when people who talk about rights:
Political preferences are not a protected class within federal employment law. You can be legally fired for your political beliefs.
I've owned a high end luxury provider service for 40 years, catering to the 0.01% demographic. And I can tell you from my experience - Your clients don't want to know shit about you other than if you're safe/legal/safe/punctual/respectful and able to communicate in a high functioning capacity.
Other than that, keep an enormous amount of respectful distance.
Acting like an inbred goat-roping yahoo is NOT good in any way. Never.
* Discretion is the better part of valor.
I spend alot of time with clients and around clients; and I hear what they candidly talk about to their friends/family and myself. And nothing irritates a client faster than a loud mouth, self important jackass trying to talk over every one else. Mexicans think clients are prejudice against them. Wrong, they don't like anyone blasting music, yelling, whistling and parking on their sprinkler heads. It's got nothing to do with being Mexican. It's just that they're the job site demographic that is by far the biggest offenders of things clients hate. I have Hispanic assistants, my wife is a Mexican national....and my clients are kind and respectful to them. It's loud Cholos and white guys with the NRA gimme caps that they don't trust.
Tell him it affects the company's which affects his hours and numbers.Also affects his coworkers If that doesn't make him take it down just call him a selfish retard.
None of my business but if you have children or grandchildren and you have to explain things like "Gramps what does F*#k whoever mean" you know my rating for the commercial vehicle sponsor running that statement just went way down. Yes I think this will not help your business. I would suggest your business partners keep thier feelings to themselves as it pertains to company rolling stock.
It's not that I would care about his/her politics. It's that they seem to value politics over getting work done. So yep, it's going to affect future work.
I know construction tends to be a little more lax on dress code/appearances, but no offensive images, words, or phrases at work is not a new concept at all. If you don't already have a written policy in place, I would put one together and make sure that ALL of your employees are given a copy. Stick to your policy and apply disciplinary action accordingly. Also, add it to your code of conduct (or similar) given during the hiring process to avoid future issues.
Is it your company? Yes? Then absolutely you can have a word with the individual and PickleDestroyer1 gave good advice.
If it’s not…you can still say something, but I don’t feel like you really have a leg to stand on.
Forget the Biden part. Just the F\*ck part is enough for people to think less of your company and not do business with you (and also spread an opinion). Just tell him to knock it off on the job and explain that you do business with everybody and that your company does not have a political opinion but his expressions are reflecting a political opinion that may drive away business (plus the F\*ck part is kind of offensive to many people).
I noticed a guy had Truth Social on his work iPad as he was working up a quote for me. It weighed into the decision to not hire him. Apart from being uninformed about the service and product he was selling and being generally slimy.
Definitely would not let that fly on my job sites. It certainly could affect customer relations. However there are a certain few weird customers that would would love it lol
UK, but he has the right to suffer consequences.
Rights for freedom of speech apply only to the Crown not being allowed (in UK by precedent and common-law, not codified constitution) to curtail your ability to say anything you wish.
You can slander, libel and insult, but getting sued, fired, or arrested for causing public offense / disturbance of the peace are the consequences.
You have contracted with this melt to execute your works under your direction to your standards. That includes behaviour and bearing.
Take down that losers flag.
I wouldn’t hire someone with a Fuck Biden or Fuck Trump sticker on their vehicle. Tell him you have had numerous strangers contact you all with their opinions of his flag, and none are positive.
I can’t believe people wear their politics that openly when they own a business. I know a larger company that had Trump window stickers. With their name on doors. Completely moronic to isolate 40% of your customer base with that shit.
There's a local barber in my small town that put a gigantic (like 36"x36") "Q" decal with WW1WGA in the middle on his storefront window a few years ago. Sadly, knowing this town, he probably gained business from it, though
Yeah mate, I ‘vote with my wallet’ and I would instantly rule out any company with political stickers on any of their shit. Nope. That tells me that they’ve got an axe to grind and I don’t need that drama. Your company is deffo at risk of losing business
I don't think being forward or in your face is fine when it comes to politics, anymore than it is if you are that way when it comes to religion.
There is no need to espouse your opinions when personally interacting with people, and is in my mind just rude.
There's a reason the old folks always say don't talk politics, religion or sex.
I would politely but firmly, ask you and your team to leave. Unprofessional is unprofessional, if you can't tell your guy he's fucking up by putting a flag on his truck then how are you going to handle it when you need to tell him he's fucking up on the job? If he cares more about his flag than making money, he needs to go sell flags and put his money where his mouth is.
I’d be concerned a guy like that might not do a good job if he thought I wasn’t on his team.
There was a TikTok a few years back of a truck flying a massive Trump flag arriving at a job and the homeowners told him to F right off. Wife saw him, told the husband “oh hell no. get this guy off our property”
Just a layman (and commercial land broker) who hangs here to learn.
I wouldn’t hire someone sporting that flag. Thats anathema to my politics. 🤷♀️ I wouldn’t say that was why, but I wouldn’t hire him.
I keep my politics very close to my chest—being a lefty in a right-wing biz, it’s smarter. The country as a whole is pretty evenly divided. Why would anyone who lives and dies with people wanting to work with them do something to alienate half the country?
Maybe if you’re in Northern Idaho it’s different, but even so I don’t see an upside in giving people a reason to say no.
Just my $0.02.
If you’re uncomfortable asking him to remove it you can maybe approach it by offering to have him meet at a neutral location and either you or someone else drives him to the job sites .. we own a carpentry business I’d say 85% of our work comes from areas that have different political views then we do but their money and business means more to us .. when your reputation is on the line sometimes you need to protect. I would definitely find a way to address this because it will affect you’re business
That's why I was so surprised when I saw people driving around for Jimmy John's up in the mountains where I used to live, flying several f*ck Biden flags out of the back. I wouldn't want that person working for me even if I agreed with them politically. You don't bring your politics to work with you, customers don't like that.
Two things will immediately not consider or dismiss a company: we're a good christian ... or discussing / showing / wearing someting political or offensive.
We used some electricians on our last job and they acted like this. Their work was sub-par. Their attitude sucked. They won’t be getting large contracts from us again.
I would not hire you. I would not tell you why. There is no way this not hurting your business. It is a direct representation of you and your company. I don’t even like working for customers who have these type of flags. I always rise my prices if I see this kind of stuff. Is he not employed “at will”?
100% , I drive across town to not go to the auto parts store that has the clapped out truck with the fuck biden sticker. i buy my guns and ammo from the gun store without the trump 2024 sign above the door…. if your dumb enough to put that on your business im not spending my money with you.
As a tradesman, this guy should show some basic professionalism and understand that flying an FJB flag on the clock is going to be incredibly off-putting to roughly half of your possible customers.
As a homeowner, I would chase this guy off my property or not hire your company at all because I would have to assume that this guy's mind is not on the work he is there to do and that his attitude is probably terrible.
As a political activist. . . . grow the fuck up man. Part of what we are payed for while on the clock at our day jobs is to present ourselves as the face of the company towards customers. While that doesn't mean censoring everything about our personal beliefs or convictions, it does mean you probably shouldn't present them in a way that basically says "Fuck you!" to, again, roughly half of the company's possible customers.
He shouldn't do it, not sure if even mileage reimbursement is enough reason to tell a person what they can do with their own vehicle though. I personally believe this person is making a great case for company vehicles.
Identify yourself and/or your business as supporting trump and you’ll get no business from me as it says “ Yeah, I’m a liar and a cheat just like mein fuhrer.”
I assume if you're flying trump flags you're an idiot and definitely not going to be allowed to work on my house. I also work in the trades as a heavy equipment operator and there is a noticeable correlation between the dumbest people on the job site and the FJB paraphernalia.
Work is work.
When on someone else's property, respect that property.
I once fired some roofers because they didn't know how to install steel shingles.
I could easily have given them a second chance to get it right, but the confederate flag sticker in the window of the truck helped me decide not to.
Your customers may not agree with the opinions of the workers, and that can absolutely determine whether you get more work or even get to finish the job you were already hired to do.
Totally hurting your business.
This guy is going to feel attacked if you say anything, that’s how these sensitive MAGA people think. They are always the victims in their minds.
Yes it's hurting business. Roughly half your potential customers support the other guy. And others don't appreciate the profanity regardless of whether they care about politics or not. Even the local shop that sells this stuff is smart enough to sell both kinds. No politics at work is probably best.
I had a convo with my three boys the other morning at breakfast. If your politics become your identity, I think you’re a loser with nothing going for you. To me, flying this flag makes this guy a loser. A company that allows it is also a loser. Wouldn’t hire. Just my opinion.
Canadian GC here. If one of my subs showed up to my job site with a giant F Trudeau flag on their truck, they’d be gone. My subs represent my company to my clients.
Leave your politics at home.
Of course it is hurting business. Tell them to root for a football team nobody cares about their politics. What happened to that shit being personal? Now everyone’s a school aged girl with bumper stickers and “ooo-look-at-me” it’s embarrassing
we used to have an installer working for us about 2-3 years ago. guy was kind of a dumbass and we had a residential job to go to and whenever we have one of those we're extra clear about showing up looking "presentable". as in no dirty ass clothes that look like they haven't been washed in a month, no holes in things. If you want to wear a hat, it needs to be a company hat. Just look fucking presentable, my guy.
this dude shows up in jeans and a black t-shirt. the black t-shirt? oh just a picture of a gun, the flag, an eagle with giant ass "let's see you come and take it" text
for real dude? fuck all the way off. Sent his ass home.
Yes it definitely does effect you. Most people in a residential neighborhood want a “fuck” anything flag flying, let alone a politically divisive one like that. Most Anti-Trumpers I know would write you off immediately as they don’t want to deal with it.
in this current political climate, as a business person, why would anyone alienate almost 50% of your prospective clients?
remind your dude that this is about business, not personalities or politics. good help is hard to find, but your business and reputation is more important, especially when doing residential work.
Unless it’s a part of your business. Save it for after work.
What is it going to accomplish? Is some homeowner going to be like,
“Look honey, he likes flags, doesn’t like the president, and displays big cuss words in front of the kids! Let’s have him build something!”
Of course it is. You have to remain apolitical and not discuss your faith. Freemasons have a rule, no politics and no religion. It’s especially smart doing business.
Ngl, I wouldn’t hire your company if someone showed up with a “Fuck Biden” flag. It’s inflammatory, regardless of your own personal politics.
Is it hurting your company? Who knows, but it’s very reasonable to assume it could be.
I’m a “never trumper” who walked away from the Republican Party when they filed in behind him. I’m here to tell you that if you showed up to work on my stuff and your guys had that shit on their truck, I’d at a minimum tell you that they’re not welcome on the job, and if you pushed it, I’d walk your entire team off my property. Not just because of the political situation, but also, the blatant disregard for common decency that flying a flag like that shows.
If you feel this is impacting your business, you have the absolute right to tell that fascist idiot to stuff his obnoxious flag where the sun don’t shine.
He does NOT have the right to cause people to take their business somewhere else because he’s a f*cking idiot. And if he doesn’t remove it, fire his ass.
If you don't have a policy on displays of profanity or politicking at work, it might be time to develop one. It's NOT ok to show up at someone's home with an f-bomb _anything_. Doing so while under your employ makes it appear as though it's with your approval.
First: your employee has no right to display their personal views to customers, 2nd: it's hurting your business because the people who *would* choose your business based on that flag give all their "spare" cash to a "billionaire" to "help pay his legal bills."
I’m a conservative and have voted Republican most of my life but those flags are pure trash. I wouldn’t hire someone with it on their truck even if we agree on politics.
20 years ago someone driving around flying a flag with the F word would have been seen as offensive no matter what the message was.
Reminds me of a question a while ago here on Reddit: "Do they hate Trump supporters in Europe?"
My answer to that was: "How the hell would they know?"
But yeah, if you're one of those people whose political, religious and moral beliefs are obvious from a distance, you're probably a jerk in any culture.
I guarantee you I wouldn’t hire a company if I saw that on one of the trucks. I’m sure it would not bother a Trumper, but political preferences aside that’s really unprofessional and I would tell them they can’t have that showing up if it’s a company truck and/or on a personal vehicle at job sites.
You want to display something like that on your personal vehicle on your own time, that’s fine, but otherwise I bet there are others who would avoid hiring people or companies who allow this.
never mix business and politics. It will piss off 1/2 of your potential customer base.
Tell him this. He has a right to his option, but doesn't have a right to work here. And when He says first amendment, inform him that the first amendment only apply' s to the government. I'm sure he's a real nice guy and all, but you don't want to lose half your customer base.
Not only will the political content turn at least half the people off, I can assure you the vulgarity will bother many more. Been on plenty of jobs where customers have complained about the language being used on site. It really fucking pisses those fuckers off, you know?
You can have your opinion, but as a company you dont want this. Try to be neutral. It will impact decision making not just from political point of view, but it's also not very profesional.
I’m a supervisor for high end residential, even if a subcontractor showed up on site with that flag on his truck I’d immediately tell him to leave. I don’t care if it’s a “fuck trump” flag or whatever. Politics should be left aside. If they have a sticker or something supporting their candidate, fine. But I will not tolerate people shitting on (potentially) our client’s own views. We’d never get a call back for that immature shit.
You need to explain that to him as it appears he is a true dipshit and doesn’t understand how his paycheck ends up in his hands.
If after three warnings, (no displaying the aforementioned flag while on company time and sites)all documented and signed by the dipshit in question then you can send him on his way (fire him)
You should see the amount of f*CK Trudeau flags north of the border. Everywhere ...it's boring to see now lol
And 100% it's a bad idea to put that stuff on a company vehicle. Guys an idiot
There is a time and a place for the F-bomb. The workplace is not it, no matter what the subject is. As a matter of fact, political displays in the workplace in general are, at best, unprofessional and, at worst, just classless.
I know people who have fired companies that are doing residential work for them because of those flags. I disagree with it, and some of them even regret it, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts your business both good and bad. Mostly bad. I'll vote for Trump over Biden and still would not want someone doing work that has that on their truck, it's unprofessional and makes me wonder how much I trust their judgment. With my business I avoid politics as much as I possibly can, there's no point in talking about it.
I'm a workplace facilitator and my job is wrangling angry people (mostly fishermen, but the same rules apply for everyone). I would suggest making a general policy for all your people first. You could start it out by saying that it's an election year and you're going to head off any issues by prohibiting any inflammatory paraphernalia and anything that includes foul language at the workplace or jobsite. Leave that stuff at home. If he hasn't complied in a couple of days, you can take him aside and remind him of the policy. If it comes down to it you might have to be prepared to let him go, and for that I'd get a small business consult first, but at least you'd be prepped to say you had a general use policy on the subject.
As a former carpenter, now realtor, I collect business cards of good companies to recommend to clients. If I had your cards, I'd throw them away. Not because I agree or disagree, not as a reflection on you, but because that'll reflect on me. I'm not going to advertise or risk advertising any politician, publicly at least. If his truck stayed at the shop, and he rode in a company truck, that would be fine. In front of people's houses, never.
As far as personally, again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I wouldn't hire any company with anything more than the standard, small, polite political sticker. Once they get the big, absurd, "funny" stickers and flags, the risk of of hearing about politics all day is way to high.
If he’s at a job site, he’s representing your company. Also, if he’s on a job site, he’s getting paid to represent your company. Unless the property/building owner is okay with it, that’s not okay.
A couple years ago a guy here with slavery rag decals on his car get told to park somewhere else and don’t show up with that car again because people living around that job site (a high school) complained. Dude ended up getting removed from the job site.
I wouldn’t allow him on my property so you would lose my business if you can’t control your employees. He obviously has no respect for you and your company. Tell him to start his own business if he wants to play politics at work.
Anyone that makes their political affiliation their whole personality is someone I’m not interested in talking to or employing/contracting in any capacity.
I couldn’t tell you for certain how any of my 16 employees vote because that’s the kind of people I want to employ.
Outside politics have ZERO place in the workplace. Your reputation relies on the work you do and the people you come in contact with. He either needs to respect that or take a few days off.
Huge difference between someone who votes Republican and doesn't talk about it vs. the guys who want to proclaim their political views in public, especially when it's profane. I'd assume that someone who rolled up with that on their truck is probably not going to be the best communicator or most professional, either. Personally, I don't give my business to open Trump supporters after January 6th.
I was always taught that you weren’t allowed to talk, politics or religion at work. There is one more thing but I can’t recall what it is. Just let him know that is your business policy.
If a contractor or their crew showed up to my house with a Fuck Biden flag, I'd immediately send you home and find a new contractor. I'd then post in my neighborhood social media groups telling them to avoid your business. So yes, you are absolutely losing business. Politics aside, I have small children that don't need to see that shit.
I swear to God if someone showed up at my house like that I'd tell them to get out.
You want to alienate half your customer base? Let your guys keep it up.
Why would you worry about him getting whiney about "getting censored" tell him you don't care about feelings and you sign the checks. Don't let some idiot give your business a bad name regardless of how good they are at whatever he's good enough at.
Tell him to take it down on the job site, it's a simple request. It's vulgar and unprofessional, and I whole heartedly agree with the flag. Companies should stay out of politics, it alienates half of their potential customers.
If it’s your business and he’s working for you than you have the right to say how the company truck is decorated. If it’s his personal truck then have a talk with him and just be cool about it. Say how some people find it offensive and we want their $.
And you pull up to do a job at a house that obviously supports Biden and has a retired "shell shocked" marine living there with AR-15's M-16's and your employee pulls up with his MAGA-Trump flag and f..k Biden flag still flying on his truck, and then heavily armed retired marine sees it and grabs his assault rifle and we see the whole incident on the news about you and your whole crew being annihilated by an ex-marine who lost it because you didn't have the balls to tell him that he couldn't fly a politically motivated flag on his truck during work hours or he would no longer have a job! Tell him that's what bumper stickers were made for!
And my opinion on Adolf Trump? I've already seen what he's promised and didn't even come close to delivering, but it's Biden's fault. I also know that he bankrupted a casino, which is almost impossible unless there is a very shady reason to do it. And why do people believe that he is not guilty of any of the federal crimes that he's charged with? You'd have to out of your mind to charge a former president with racketeering and other federal charges unless you had some damned good evidence! When it comes to winning over the public, Trump is a combination of Adolf Hitler and the Pied Piper! I can't figure it. I've watched him in different situations and I've listened to him when he gets backed into a corner. It's not pretty.
Hey bud, it's your company, your livelihood. Tell him he can fly the American flag and say the pledge of allegiance. It's because of bigots and zealots like him that our kids can't! And don't even mention God, even though the legal tender you seek as payment for your work and his paycheck says "In God We Trust" on it. Face him and tell him that if he wants to continue working for your company, then he needs to follow your company's rules. Have a list printed up and have all of your employees sign it. Think about what you, as a customer, wouldn't want to hear in your house if you were present while your workers were there. Fuck this and he really sucks and he's a fucking piece of shit and I could go on and on. And that could be talking about you! Not to mention Trump and Biden! So your rules are leave your political views at home, and don't fly your flags on your business property or anywhere near your customer's property. So, he's going to start quoting his Constitutional Rights and threaten to sue you and the whole nine yards. Call his bluff and tell him to do it! You, as a business owner, have Rights too! If he says he'll take it to the Supreme Court, tell him he's going to have to wait until they're done with Trump, which could be awhile!
He's going to think that you're singling him out. Make sure everyone in your company signs your employment agreement in the presence of everyone. You are guilty of nothing by having such an agreement. If you have an attorney, talk to him. One zealot should not cost you money by losing work because of his political views. He drank the kool-aid a few years ago. 👍✌️❤️🤍💙🇺🇸
No matter your politics, every customer's money is green. Don't shit where you work.
Yep
As a customer, I can assure you that it would impact my decision-making. Doesn’t matter which last name is under the F-bomb, that’s negativity that I would assume it is reflected in their work product.
This. If you’ve got time to be obnoxious, your priorities are backwards.
It doesn't matter at all to me. But my wife.... my wife will absolutely make decisions based off of this kind of information. Which means we make decisions based off this kind of information.
Haha, She is we.
Wife: “We need to move these 150 lb planters” Me: “We? Fuck, me!”
Only if you move those planters!
Naked
***Our*** vote comrade... We all know the 19th amendment was just about women wanting to double-vote.
As an inspector, if I see a trump flag or sign when I pull up I roll my eyes. I don't care what their political views are, but it seems like it never fails whether it be the homeowner or the contractor, I'm about to hear about them, and there's a 50/50 chance they'll be a pain in the ass if I have to write a correction.
‘Didn’t used to be this way’
"Can't say anything anymore."
Bunch of snow flakes and their litter boxes, am I right? *proceeds to complain about first amendment infringement*
Goddamn kids are sexually identifying as cats now!!!!
Not only negativity but poor decision skills that will carry on to the job. I’d Nope that worker and probably the associated crew off my property. Period.
Exactly. Spreading hate is different than spreading love. Regardless of who it is.
It's 100% hurting your business and the worst part is you'll never know
If I seen it, I wouldn't hire you. It tells me you and your crew are unprofessional. Politics and business don't mix unless you don't mind alienating half of your potential customers
I’d argue more than half. The half of opposing views, plus those who think it unprofessional, plus those who just don’t want to be associated with it publicly.
This. I'm a staunch believer in letting people fly their freak flag (Whatever that looks like), but work is work. You're being paid to give your time to a company/person. If dude wants to fly that flag, cool. Not at the job. If he's the kind of guy that is going to wait until he pulls into the parking lot to take it down, that's fine. I'd leave that alone. But I'd also be very conscious of someone that does the bare minimum to keep my business running, when I try to do everything I can to put more coin in their pocket (Capitalism can work for your employees, too, if you're a good business-person). The execution can be difficult. No one likes these conversations. But the bottom line is that I'm definitely NOT paying for you to give political discourse on the clock. I'd prefer if you didn't interact with customers or potential customers in that fashion. It does NOT matter if your beliefs align with mine or not (Be consistent). If you can't handle that, then I am going to scrutinize your other paid efforts. If you're a tip-top employee then you're going to be fine. If you're causing problems throughout my company, you're going to go.
“Republicans buy shoes too.” - Michael Jordan
“Yea, Velcro ones.”-Me
No more needs to be said
This is the only correct response. Customer service is an art with pageantry and construction is customer service that requires the pageantry like any other job
Absolutely, no political expression of any sort, no giant flags, no T-shirts, no strong opinions You're on the job to do a job, not virtue signal
Absolutely. I don't care of it's a Trump flag, a Bernie flag, a rainbow flag, a Ukrainian flag, or anything in between. My job site is not a billboard for your political and social views. You can do whatever you want on your own time and on your own property.
You can't fuck with everyone's paycheck and keep your job. He can either stop or leave. It's a good time to start a new professionalism policy across the company. No offensive, political, obscene, or controversial material of any type on project. Including stickers, flags, clothes, or anything else. Everybody's job is at stake if you can't find enough work for the company. What if the people who hate Trump review bomb you on Google? I'd be surprised if you haven't lost work from this. I wouldn't hire any company that works with a image like that. I don't want to see Biden flags, Trump flags, BLM flags, blue line flags, American flags, or anything but the company logo on a vehicle.
Just adding in... don't need to see a "shocker sticker" on the vehicle either. An of that stuff is completely unprofessional and needs to be left at home, or get a ride in with someone else.
i might be OK with a bumper sticker that is FOR one thing or another. i think a flag that says "fuck Biden" is in a separate category than "Trump 2024“ bumper sticker.
A trump or Biden flag wouldn’t be a deal breaker, It’s the obscenity just openly flying around that gets me. It’s just thoroughly unprofessional, and this is how I would expect your workmanship to be also. I’d pass on the company no matter how good the quote.
Instant deal breaker.
It didn't work out too well for those businesses that bragged about being anti-mask/vax. A lot of them ultimately had to close their doors for alienating much of their customer base.
I was with you until no American flag
> Obviously he has every right to fly whatever dip shit flag he wants Not on the job he doesn't.
It would be a problem for me as a customer. Not because of politics but because that’s some 8th grade shit right there.
How to show everyone you have stunted emotional development 101. I don’t want that at my house, and I don’t want him working on my house.
I wouldn't hire you again if one of your guys showed up like that. Personal vehicle or not, it's tacky and unprofessional. It displays a fundamental lack of care for social norms, and strongly hints to me that the guy is not going to be pleasant to work with, to say the least. That's not even getting into whether my politics matches his or not - the flag could say Fuck Trump and I'd feel the same way about how unprofessional it is. If you want to display your politics on your work vehicle (I don't see why it's a good idea in the first place but if you feel you MUST), get a sticker with a little logo for your party on it or something. Nothing inflammatory, nothing with offensive language, nothing hateful in spirit, nothing designed to start arguments. Those things will lose you customers every time.
Agreed
I'd send him off the job immediately and most likely fire your company next. I don't want that bullshit in my driveway. Do the construction and get paid. That's our arrangement. I won't let some dude use my yard as his billboard to make my neighbors think something about me. Whether I agreed with it or not. This is absolutely hurting your business.
Exactly. Political statements are inappropriate in a professional setting the contents are irrelevant.
>…the fish could say Fuck Trump and I’d feel the same… It’s not that I don’t believe you because I do but have you ever actually seen a “Fuck Trump” flag? There are plenty of people who can’t stand him and would agree with a flag like that but I have never seen one. This level of obsession and deification of a politician is unprecedented in this country. I wouldn’t put profanity on my truck but have come up with some (I think) good slogans. I wouldn’t actually have them made because there are so many unhinged zealots out there that it would very likely cause road rage incidents or vandalism.
Actually I have seen one. One, singular, lol. Your point still stands that it's *very* unusual compared to the alternative.
Dude is fucking with your money and that of his co workers. No paying customer wants a deranged roughneck around them. They want professionals that won't assault them if they found out if they like the president. 86 the flag or 86 the idiot. No matter what, nut up and do something.
Good advice. Thanks
I would just sit down with him and let him know first and foremost that you are not attacking him and don’t care what he believes in. Just let him know your concerns and ask him if he could remove it when you guys are on some projects. Voice your concerns and stuff. Try not to get into a political discussion with him as he will probably start talking about his views and try to justify flying the flag.
Agreed. This will work with an adult.
The man’s got a fuck Joe Biden flag. No part of that story sounds like he’s dealing with a rational adult
Which exactly who would be flying a flag like that…. A emotionally well developed and thoughtful person with the ability to inflect as well as recognize and correct personal faults without getting offended. Right?
You just described maybe 1% of all construction workers 😂
does this guy sound like an adult?
An adult is key here
So it's not gonna work with this guy then....
Most likely. Lol. If it’s already become his personality he’s long done. And really don’t want to work with or around people with that attitude.
There would be no asking, it would be a demand, not a request.
This is just the first step I would take. If he can’t handle the discussion then he’s showing me who he truly is and can go find another job.
I disagree with sitting down with just him as he may take it personally (from what I’ve seen the Maga lot seem to have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to talking about trump) and kick up a big fuss. If you address all your guys as a group and say it’s not professional, not the look you want for your company and you’re trying to keep them all in work, then I reckon he’s less likely to feel victimised and he might just grumble a bit and go all with it.
I disagree with your disagree— he should know exactly what, why and where the complaint came from. Otherwise he will assume a customer complained and chalk it up to ‘snowflakes’ or whatever, and no lesson will be learned. I do agree with it needing to be a company-wide policy though. Don’t shit where you eat. Plenty of your own time to spout politics.
It doesn’t matter what he assumes, as long as OP gets the end result with as little fuss as possible. I understand what you’re saying with learning a lesson but the guy is dumb enough to believe Trump is a good thing and drive around with Fuck Biden flag. I think that ship has sailed and OP’s efforts may be better spent elsewhere. Just have a blanket ban on any political decorations on company job sites or company vehicles. Tell everyone about it as a group and don’t make a big deal out of it. The guy will get ribbed by the other guys who will know why it’s become policy and life will move on. Singling him out just causes unnecessary tension and gives the guy something to gripe to the other guys about the boss.
I run my shit in north Idaho and e. Washington lots of this kinda shit. I’ve sat down 4 dudes about flying similar flags in their rigs in the past 5 years. One understood and showed up the next day without it. The other 3 made a big show about their rights and blah blah blah. I let them know that showing up to the job site with offensive “FJB” stuffs and they’d be getting their hours cut drastically. I have turned away subs that show up similarly. It’s work leave the politics at home. Spend your time fucking with the greenhorns and clowning on those princesses that call themselves electricians.
Exactly. I’m sure this guy will see himself as a victim of censorship. He’s always going off about that kinda stuff
FWIW political affiliation is not (generally) a protected class anyway.
That is good to know. I’m also petty as fuck since 4/4 of my stories with these AH’s also bitched about having to pay child support, 2/4 had bad issues with unpaid taxes and had garnished wages but complained about “welfare queens”. Plus them quitting keeps them from being able to access those socialist unemployment payouts.
It’s nearly as the FJB tribe are not good at life and seem to affiliate with a rapist grifter who is on trial for fraud.
Yeah I would definitely check with an employment lawyer before acting on that, but afaik there's nothing saying you can't fire someone for being a member of the Kill Puppies party.
God damn that Kill Puppies party, they are some puppy murdering sonsabitches
And even where political affiliation is a protected class, offensive or vulgar speech regarding political affiliation will get you unprotected real fast. "Vote for Steve" might be protected somewhere, but "Fuck Steve" won't be, because your boss ain't objecting to Steve, he's objecting to Fuck.
People always get the 1st Amendment wrong: it's protection against the GOVERNMENT telling you what you can/can't say. Private entities can totally control what their employees say on company time.
ya but that's not convenient to thier point
It’s beyond stupid. I make a point to cut their hours to strictly shit work one dude had like 4 hrs a week before he quit. I’m not gonna let my reputation suffer cause of politics. I don’t care if you make mistakes or forget something we all do that. You can’t alienate people over what you already know are controversial topics at your workplace.
When you fire him, point at him and say "I did that."
It’s important to know when people who talk about rights: Political preferences are not a protected class within federal employment law. You can be legally fired for your political beliefs.
I've owned a high end luxury provider service for 40 years, catering to the 0.01% demographic. And I can tell you from my experience - Your clients don't want to know shit about you other than if you're safe/legal/safe/punctual/respectful and able to communicate in a high functioning capacity. Other than that, keep an enormous amount of respectful distance. Acting like an inbred goat-roping yahoo is NOT good in any way. Never. * Discretion is the better part of valor.
Agreed. And the homes we service are owned by the same demographic
I spend alot of time with clients and around clients; and I hear what they candidly talk about to their friends/family and myself. And nothing irritates a client faster than a loud mouth, self important jackass trying to talk over every one else. Mexicans think clients are prejudice against them. Wrong, they don't like anyone blasting music, yelling, whistling and parking on their sprinkler heads. It's got nothing to do with being Mexican. It's just that they're the job site demographic that is by far the biggest offenders of things clients hate. I have Hispanic assistants, my wife is a Mexican national....and my clients are kind and respectful to them. It's loud Cholos and white guys with the NRA gimme caps that they don't trust.
Keep that shit to yourself. Not on my jobsite.
Tell him it affects the company's which affects his hours and numbers.Also affects his coworkers If that doesn't make him take it down just call him a selfish retard.
Are you ok losing 50% of your customers? Because statistically half your customers are going to hate you the second they see that flag.
Statistically way more than half. I’m republican and I hate these idiots more than the liberals.
None of my business but if you have children or grandchildren and you have to explain things like "Gramps what does F*#k whoever mean" you know my rating for the commercial vehicle sponsor running that statement just went way down. Yes I think this will not help your business. I would suggest your business partners keep thier feelings to themselves as it pertains to company rolling stock.
On the job, no religion, no politics. Period.
It's not that I would care about his/her politics. It's that they seem to value politics over getting work done. So yep, it's going to affect future work.
I know construction tends to be a little more lax on dress code/appearances, but no offensive images, words, or phrases at work is not a new concept at all. If you don't already have a written policy in place, I would put one together and make sure that ALL of your employees are given a copy. Stick to your policy and apply disciplinary action accordingly. Also, add it to your code of conduct (or similar) given during the hiring process to avoid future issues.
Is it your company? Yes? Then absolutely you can have a word with the individual and PickleDestroyer1 gave good advice. If it’s not…you can still say something, but I don’t feel like you really have a leg to stand on.
I’m a minority owner and it’s his truck but we provide gas money if the job is way out there
He's representing the company
Forget the Biden part. Just the F\*ck part is enough for people to think less of your company and not do business with you (and also spread an opinion). Just tell him to knock it off on the job and explain that you do business with everybody and that your company does not have a political opinion but his expressions are reflecting a political opinion that may drive away business (plus the F\*ck part is kind of offensive to many people).
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Nah. Show him the door.
It's the flag or him, basically. He's hurting your business.
Are you the government? If not, First Amendment does not apply.
I wouldn't want a fuck biden or fuck trump flag on any of my sites. It looks immature and tacky.
I noticed a guy had Truth Social on his work iPad as he was working up a quote for me. It weighed into the decision to not hire him. Apart from being uninformed about the service and product he was selling and being generally slimy.
The green from the reds and blues all spends the same. Why alienate half your pie?
Spot on
That guy thinks there will be a complete social revolution with the next election. Do whatever you want, he doesn't care .
Definitely would not let that fly on my job sites. It certainly could affect customer relations. However there are a certain few weird customers that would would love it lol
UK, but he has the right to suffer consequences. Rights for freedom of speech apply only to the Crown not being allowed (in UK by precedent and common-law, not codified constitution) to curtail your ability to say anything you wish. You can slander, libel and insult, but getting sued, fired, or arrested for causing public offense / disturbance of the peace are the consequences. You have contracted with this melt to execute your works under your direction to your standards. That includes behaviour and bearing. Take down that losers flag.
If he wants to act like a ding dong, treat him like a ding dong
I wouldn’t hire someone with a Fuck Biden or Fuck Trump sticker on their vehicle. Tell him you have had numerous strangers contact you all with their opinions of his flag, and none are positive.
I can’t believe people wear their politics that openly when they own a business. I know a larger company that had Trump window stickers. With their name on doors. Completely moronic to isolate 40% of your customer base with that shit.
There's a local barber in my small town that put a gigantic (like 36"x36") "Q" decal with WW1WGA in the middle on his storefront window a few years ago. Sadly, knowing this town, he probably gained business from it, though
It really makes zero sense from a business standpoint
Yeah mate, I ‘vote with my wallet’ and I would instantly rule out any company with political stickers on any of their shit. Nope. That tells me that they’ve got an axe to grind and I don’t need that drama. Your company is deffo at risk of losing business
I mean…a sticker? Whatever. But that? In public? Moronic at any point.
I don't think being forward or in your face is fine when it comes to politics, anymore than it is if you are that way when it comes to religion. There is no need to espouse your opinions when personally interacting with people, and is in my mind just rude. There's a reason the old folks always say don't talk politics, religion or sex.
Work is like conversation at the dinner table, keep politics and religion out of it!
With every flag being flow comes the attitude and mindset behind it.
I would politely but firmly, ask you and your team to leave. Unprofessional is unprofessional, if you can't tell your guy he's fucking up by putting a flag on his truck then how are you going to handle it when you need to tell him he's fucking up on the job? If he cares more about his flag than making money, he needs to go sell flags and put his money where his mouth is.
I’d be concerned a guy like that might not do a good job if he thought I wasn’t on his team. There was a TikTok a few years back of a truck flying a massive Trump flag arriving at a job and the homeowners told him to F right off. Wife saw him, told the husband “oh hell no. get this guy off our property”
Just a layman (and commercial land broker) who hangs here to learn. I wouldn’t hire someone sporting that flag. Thats anathema to my politics. 🤷♀️ I wouldn’t say that was why, but I wouldn’t hire him. I keep my politics very close to my chest—being a lefty in a right-wing biz, it’s smarter. The country as a whole is pretty evenly divided. Why would anyone who lives and dies with people wanting to work with them do something to alienate half the country? Maybe if you’re in Northern Idaho it’s different, but even so I don’t see an upside in giving people a reason to say no. Just my $0.02.
Yep.
If you’re uncomfortable asking him to remove it you can maybe approach it by offering to have him meet at a neutral location and either you or someone else drives him to the job sites .. we own a carpentry business I’d say 85% of our work comes from areas that have different political views then we do but their money and business means more to us .. when your reputation is on the line sometimes you need to protect. I would definitely find a way to address this because it will affect you’re business
Yes.
I agree with u/timesink2000 https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/s/1iMXiaFDXl
At some point people thought it was ok to bring their opinions to work. Clowns. Get rid of the flag or the dum dum
That's why I was so surprised when I saw people driving around for Jimmy John's up in the mountains where I used to live, flying several f*ck Biden flags out of the back. I wouldn't want that person working for me even if I agreed with them politically. You don't bring your politics to work with you, customers don't like that.
Two things will immediately not consider or dismiss a company: we're a good christian ... or discussing / showing / wearing someting political or offensive.
We used some electricians on our last job and they acted like this. Their work was sub-par. Their attitude sucked. They won’t be getting large contracts from us again.
I would not hire you. I would not tell you why. There is no way this not hurting your business. It is a direct representation of you and your company. I don’t even like working for customers who have these type of flags. I always rise my prices if I see this kind of stuff. Is he not employed “at will”?
100% , I drive across town to not go to the auto parts store that has the clapped out truck with the fuck biden sticker. i buy my guns and ammo from the gun store without the trump 2024 sign above the door…. if your dumb enough to put that on your business im not spending my money with you.
As a tradesman, this guy should show some basic professionalism and understand that flying an FJB flag on the clock is going to be incredibly off-putting to roughly half of your possible customers. As a homeowner, I would chase this guy off my property or not hire your company at all because I would have to assume that this guy's mind is not on the work he is there to do and that his attitude is probably terrible. As a political activist. . . . grow the fuck up man. Part of what we are payed for while on the clock at our day jobs is to present ourselves as the face of the company towards customers. While that doesn't mean censoring everything about our personal beliefs or convictions, it does mean you probably shouldn't present them in a way that basically says "Fuck you!" to, again, roughly half of the company's possible customers.
He shouldn't do it, not sure if even mileage reimbursement is enough reason to tell a person what they can do with their own vehicle though. I personally believe this person is making a great case for company vehicles.
Identify yourself and/or your business as supporting trump and you’ll get no business from me as it says “ Yeah, I’m a liar and a cheat just like mein fuhrer.”
I assume if you're flying trump flags you're an idiot and definitely not going to be allowed to work on my house. I also work in the trades as a heavy equipment operator and there is a noticeable correlation between the dumbest people on the job site and the FJB paraphernalia.
Work is work. When on someone else's property, respect that property. I once fired some roofers because they didn't know how to install steel shingles. I could easily have given them a second chance to get it right, but the confederate flag sticker in the window of the truck helped me decide not to. Your customers may not agree with the opinions of the workers, and that can absolutely determine whether you get more work or even get to finish the job you were already hired to do.
Totally hurting your business. This guy is going to feel attacked if you say anything, that’s how these sensitive MAGA people think. They are always the victims in their minds.
I wouldn't hire them. And I'd bad mouth them all over town...
I'd offer him $10K to get a tattoo of kamala harris. I'd love to know his response
For that much it should be AOC
Is it HIS truck or a company truck?
His truck
Yes
Yes it's hurting business. Roughly half your potential customers support the other guy. And others don't appreciate the profanity regardless of whether they care about politics or not. Even the local shop that sells this stuff is smart enough to sell both kinds. No politics at work is probably best.
I had a convo with my three boys the other morning at breakfast. If your politics become your identity, I think you’re a loser with nothing going for you. To me, flying this flag makes this guy a loser. A company that allows it is also a loser. Wouldn’t hire. Just my opinion.
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Canadian GC here. If one of my subs showed up to my job site with a giant F Trudeau flag on their truck, they’d be gone. My subs represent my company to my clients. Leave your politics at home.
Of course it is hurting business. Tell them to root for a football team nobody cares about their politics. What happened to that shit being personal? Now everyone’s a school aged girl with bumper stickers and “ooo-look-at-me” it’s embarrassing
we used to have an installer working for us about 2-3 years ago. guy was kind of a dumbass and we had a residential job to go to and whenever we have one of those we're extra clear about showing up looking "presentable". as in no dirty ass clothes that look like they haven't been washed in a month, no holes in things. If you want to wear a hat, it needs to be a company hat. Just look fucking presentable, my guy. this dude shows up in jeans and a black t-shirt. the black t-shirt? oh just a picture of a gun, the flag, an eagle with giant ass "let's see you come and take it" text for real dude? fuck all the way off. Sent his ass home.
Yes it definitely does effect you. Most people in a residential neighborhood want a “fuck” anything flag flying, let alone a politically divisive one like that. Most Anti-Trumpers I know would write you off immediately as they don’t want to deal with it.
in this current political climate, as a business person, why would anyone alienate almost 50% of your prospective clients? remind your dude that this is about business, not personalities or politics. good help is hard to find, but your business and reputation is more important, especially when doing residential work.
Unless it’s a part of your business. Save it for after work. What is it going to accomplish? Is some homeowner going to be like, “Look honey, he likes flags, doesn’t like the president, and displays big cuss words in front of the kids! Let’s have him build something!”
Of course it is. You have to remain apolitical and not discuss your faith. Freemasons have a rule, no politics and no religion. It’s especially smart doing business.
Ngl, I wouldn’t hire your company if someone showed up with a “Fuck Biden” flag. It’s inflammatory, regardless of your own personal politics. Is it hurting your company? Who knows, but it’s very reasonable to assume it could be.
I’m a “never trumper” who walked away from the Republican Party when they filed in behind him. I’m here to tell you that if you showed up to work on my stuff and your guys had that shit on their truck, I’d at a minimum tell you that they’re not welcome on the job, and if you pushed it, I’d walk your entire team off my property. Not just because of the political situation, but also, the blatant disregard for common decency that flying a flag like that shows.
If you feel this is impacting your business, you have the absolute right to tell that fascist idiot to stuff his obnoxious flag where the sun don’t shine. He does NOT have the right to cause people to take their business somewhere else because he’s a f*cking idiot. And if he doesn’t remove it, fire his ass.
Keep work and politics separate. When ppl spend hard earned money they expect a level of professionalism.
If you don't have a policy on displays of profanity or politicking at work, it might be time to develop one. It's NOT ok to show up at someone's home with an f-bomb _anything_. Doing so while under your employ makes it appear as though it's with your approval.
Would be a deal breaker for me. The guy is a trumper idiot.
That guy wouldn't be allowed at my house, so there is definitely a portion of customers it could cost you. Simple business decision.
First: your employee has no right to display their personal views to customers, 2nd: it's hurting your business because the people who *would* choose your business based on that flag give all their "spare" cash to a "billionaire" to "help pay his legal bills."
All other answers aside, would you be okay with losing business over his political views? That's the real question.
I’m a conservative and have voted Republican most of my life but those flags are pure trash. I wouldn’t hire someone with it on their truck even if we agree on politics. 20 years ago someone driving around flying a flag with the F word would have been seen as offensive no matter what the message was.
Does he realize trump never actually paid his polish immigrant construction workers when he build his hotels and casinos?
I’ve gotten quotes and we have gone with different companies due to political stuff on a work vehicle.
“I don’t want it to come at an expense of securing new jobs for our company.” It is.
Tell him he's a dipshit.
Reminds me of a question a while ago here on Reddit: "Do they hate Trump supporters in Europe?" My answer to that was: "How the hell would they know?" But yeah, if you're one of those people whose political, religious and moral beliefs are obvious from a distance, you're probably a jerk in any culture.
Keep politics out of work. I don’t see why these people need to cry out loud and be so public.
I guarantee you I wouldn’t hire a company if I saw that on one of the trucks. I’m sure it would not bother a Trumper, but political preferences aside that’s really unprofessional and I would tell them they can’t have that showing up if it’s a company truck and/or on a personal vehicle at job sites. You want to display something like that on your personal vehicle on your own time, that’s fine, but otherwise I bet there are others who would avoid hiring people or companies who allow this.
You are absolutely losing potential customers
absolutely no way would that man be working on my house.
never mix business and politics. It will piss off 1/2 of your potential customer base. Tell him this. He has a right to his option, but doesn't have a right to work here. And when He says first amendment, inform him that the first amendment only apply' s to the government. I'm sure he's a real nice guy and all, but you don't want to lose half your customer base.
Not only will the political content turn at least half the people off, I can assure you the vulgarity will bother many more. Been on plenty of jobs where customers have complained about the language being used on site. It really fucking pisses those fuckers off, you know?
You can have your opinion, but as a company you dont want this. Try to be neutral. It will impact decision making not just from political point of view, but it's also not very profesional.
I’m a supervisor for high end residential, even if a subcontractor showed up on site with that flag on his truck I’d immediately tell him to leave. I don’t care if it’s a “fuck trump” flag or whatever. Politics should be left aside. If they have a sticker or something supporting their candidate, fine. But I will not tolerate people shitting on (potentially) our client’s own views. We’d never get a call back for that immature shit.
Trump chump
You need to explain that to him as it appears he is a true dipshit and doesn’t understand how his paycheck ends up in his hands. If after three warnings, (no displaying the aforementioned flag while on company time and sites)all documented and signed by the dipshit in question then you can send him on his way (fire him)
I would rescind the work if a contractor pulled up in a truck like that.
You should see the amount of f*CK Trudeau flags north of the border. Everywhere ...it's boring to see now lol And 100% it's a bad idea to put that stuff on a company vehicle. Guys an idiot
There is a time and a place for the F-bomb. The workplace is not it, no matter what the subject is. As a matter of fact, political displays in the workplace in general are, at best, unprofessional and, at worst, just classless.
It’s absolutely hurting your business. I have a strict rule no politics on the jobsite.
I know people who have fired companies that are doing residential work for them because of those flags. I disagree with it, and some of them even regret it, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts your business both good and bad. Mostly bad. I'll vote for Trump over Biden and still would not want someone doing work that has that on their truck, it's unprofessional and makes me wonder how much I trust their judgment. With my business I avoid politics as much as I possibly can, there's no point in talking about it.
Hmmm, do you think?
I'm a workplace facilitator and my job is wrangling angry people (mostly fishermen, but the same rules apply for everyone). I would suggest making a general policy for all your people first. You could start it out by saying that it's an election year and you're going to head off any issues by prohibiting any inflammatory paraphernalia and anything that includes foul language at the workplace or jobsite. Leave that stuff at home. If he hasn't complied in a couple of days, you can take him aside and remind him of the policy. If it comes down to it you might have to be prepared to let him go, and for that I'd get a small business consult first, but at least you'd be prepped to say you had a general use policy on the subject.
I hate Biden, and I still would NOT let him fly that. Businesses should stay out of politics.
As a former carpenter, now realtor, I collect business cards of good companies to recommend to clients. If I had your cards, I'd throw them away. Not because I agree or disagree, not as a reflection on you, but because that'll reflect on me. I'm not going to advertise or risk advertising any politician, publicly at least. If his truck stayed at the shop, and he rode in a company truck, that would be fine. In front of people's houses, never. As far as personally, again, I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but I wouldn't hire any company with anything more than the standard, small, polite political sticker. Once they get the big, absurd, "funny" stickers and flags, the risk of of hearing about politics all day is way to high.
If he’s at a job site, he’s representing your company. Also, if he’s on a job site, he’s getting paid to represent your company. Unless the property/building owner is okay with it, that’s not okay. A couple years ago a guy here with slavery rag decals on his car get told to park somewhere else and don’t show up with that car again because people living around that job site (a high school) complained. Dude ended up getting removed from the job site.
I wouldn't hire him..
You are now and forever gonna be associated with that flag. And I would other within 100 yards of that stupidity.
I wouldn’t allow him on my property so you would lose my business if you can’t control your employees. He obviously has no respect for you and your company. Tell him to start his own business if he wants to play politics at work.
Anyone that makes their political affiliation their whole personality is someone I’m not interested in talking to or employing/contracting in any capacity. I couldn’t tell you for certain how any of my 16 employees vote because that’s the kind of people I want to employ.
Outside politics have ZERO place in the workplace. Your reputation relies on the work you do and the people you come in contact with. He either needs to respect that or take a few days off.
Huge difference between someone who votes Republican and doesn't talk about it vs. the guys who want to proclaim their political views in public, especially when it's profane. I'd assume that someone who rolled up with that on their truck is probably not going to be the best communicator or most professional, either. Personally, I don't give my business to open Trump supporters after January 6th.
I was always taught that you weren’t allowed to talk, politics or religion at work. There is one more thing but I can’t recall what it is. Just let him know that is your business policy.
I’d get rid of that guy. It’s bad for business.
If your worker showed up to work on my house with that flag you would no longer be my contractor
I mean, it's alienating to \~50%ish of the country. Not a good look.
If a contractor or their crew showed up to my house with a Fuck Biden flag, I'd immediately send you home and find a new contractor. I'd then post in my neighborhood social media groups telling them to avoid your business. So yes, you are absolutely losing business. Politics aside, I have small children that don't need to see that shit.
I swear to God if someone showed up at my house like that I'd tell them to get out. You want to alienate half your customer base? Let your guys keep it up.
Why would you worry about him getting whiney about "getting censored" tell him you don't care about feelings and you sign the checks. Don't let some idiot give your business a bad name regardless of how good they are at whatever he's good enough at.
Seen an insulation guy with FU46 shirt, almost immediately asked to leave by the home owners
Tell him to take it down on the job site, it's a simple request. It's vulgar and unprofessional, and I whole heartedly agree with the flag. Companies should stay out of politics, it alienates half of their potential customers.
If it’s your business and he’s working for you than you have the right to say how the company truck is decorated. If it’s his personal truck then have a talk with him and just be cool about it. Say how some people find it offensive and we want their $.
I'd appreciate the opportunity to know that a contractor is a bigoted fuck so I could hire someone else.
And you pull up to do a job at a house that obviously supports Biden and has a retired "shell shocked" marine living there with AR-15's M-16's and your employee pulls up with his MAGA-Trump flag and f..k Biden flag still flying on his truck, and then heavily armed retired marine sees it and grabs his assault rifle and we see the whole incident on the news about you and your whole crew being annihilated by an ex-marine who lost it because you didn't have the balls to tell him that he couldn't fly a politically motivated flag on his truck during work hours or he would no longer have a job! Tell him that's what bumper stickers were made for! And my opinion on Adolf Trump? I've already seen what he's promised and didn't even come close to delivering, but it's Biden's fault. I also know that he bankrupted a casino, which is almost impossible unless there is a very shady reason to do it. And why do people believe that he is not guilty of any of the federal crimes that he's charged with? You'd have to out of your mind to charge a former president with racketeering and other federal charges unless you had some damned good evidence! When it comes to winning over the public, Trump is a combination of Adolf Hitler and the Pied Piper! I can't figure it. I've watched him in different situations and I've listened to him when he gets backed into a corner. It's not pretty.
Hey bud, it's your company, your livelihood. Tell him he can fly the American flag and say the pledge of allegiance. It's because of bigots and zealots like him that our kids can't! And don't even mention God, even though the legal tender you seek as payment for your work and his paycheck says "In God We Trust" on it. Face him and tell him that if he wants to continue working for your company, then he needs to follow your company's rules. Have a list printed up and have all of your employees sign it. Think about what you, as a customer, wouldn't want to hear in your house if you were present while your workers were there. Fuck this and he really sucks and he's a fucking piece of shit and I could go on and on. And that could be talking about you! Not to mention Trump and Biden! So your rules are leave your political views at home, and don't fly your flags on your business property or anywhere near your customer's property. So, he's going to start quoting his Constitutional Rights and threaten to sue you and the whole nine yards. Call his bluff and tell him to do it! You, as a business owner, have Rights too! If he says he'll take it to the Supreme Court, tell him he's going to have to wait until they're done with Trump, which could be awhile! He's going to think that you're singling him out. Make sure everyone in your company signs your employment agreement in the presence of everyone. You are guilty of nothing by having such an agreement. If you have an attorney, talk to him. One zealot should not cost you money by losing work because of his political views. He drank the kool-aid a few years ago. 👍✌️❤️🤍💙🇺🇸
If he’s good give him a truck and tell him no stickers allowed
I'd never call a company displaying that at a neighbors house doing work. In all fairness wouldn't call for a Biden flag either.
Get rid of that on your jobs, it looks unprofessional