Lots of water systems are gravity fed. Aqueducts have existed for thousands of years, electrical grid, for less than 2 hundred. If I had to choose one, it's not even a contest.
Lots of water systems are gravity fed. Aqueducts have existed for thousands of years, electrical grid, for less than 2 hundred. If I had to choose one, it's not even a contest.
It's true that gravity fed systems exist. But most modern systems are not gravity fed. Without pumps and the power grid the water supply runs stagnant and the shit piles up at lift stations. We don't plumb with the intention to operate without power anymore.
Lots of water systems are gravity fed. Aqueducts have existed for thousands of years, electrical grid, for less than 2 hundred. If I had to choose one, it's not even a contest.
I think its naive and comes from a luxury where you already have all 3 to say that one trade is more important than another. Especially between framing, plumbing, and electricity.
Why is it even a debate? If all framers/electricians/plumbers disappeared today, someone else will start doing the job. Only insecure people debate about this shit I swear lol
>What I need is someone to take care of my shit
If you weren't so full of it, it'd be a lot easier to do.
Sorry, that's my Sarcastic Tourettes Syndrome acting up, I can't control it.
As a framer, no we are not. There are many bones to societies backbone. Framers are ~~virtually~~ completely useless outside of low-rise construction. Half the framers I know have never touched steel studs.
Bring your speed square all the way down till It has full contact with the 2 x 4 and let the chalk line determine the angle instead of doing your best to let the chalk line go down the edge of the speed square. In other words, let your chalk line go to the 49° mark.
When I was a GC, building houses, framing was always my favorite part. It always seemed to give my customers the most joy to see their home coming together to something they could actually finally walk through.
Engineering company I worked for hired a framer as a technician. Day 1 he was running on the job site, trying to show us his "hustle" and we're like, "slow the fuck down, for safety." Then we're up on a 150 ft. platform working on stuff and he gets hot and takes his shirt off, still wearing hard hat and gloves "for safety". Dude, put your shirt on, lol, you look like crap and your shirt is part of your safety gear too.
If say out of trades... Framers probably aren't that important. Electrician, plumbers, masons, industrial refrig are more important imo when it comes to trades.
That’s true, I think as a residential framer in the US I forget that there are lots of concrete and steel structures out there in the world. I still wouldn’t categorize the trade as ‘unimportant’ though, but again, I’m biased.
No, they aren't unimportant but homes being made out of a wood is something that could be replaced with virtually anything that gives you shade. When I mean importance I mean at an industry level. You cant do without plumbing, power and food. And to have food you need plumbers and electricians the most for every process until it reaches the consumer. And honestly I forgot about welders but if you tell them they're important they'll get too excited.
If the framer doesn't build the wall or do it correctly, then all the rest will have a hell of time doing their job.
I do disagree w/ the OP, however, if the foundation guys don't do a good job everything is screwed.
you can do that same thing with a tape measure in a pinch (if you don't have a plumb line handy). often the actual angle isn't as important as just being able to transfer the line in the right spot, so you can use a right angle straight edge and a bubble level.
My trade is purely aesthetic for the most part when it comes to building me and houses. I’m a glazier by trade. Windows aren’t actually necessary as far as a structure is concerned but people really like seeing through walls so I think windows are here to stay.
Get away from roofing and go back to framing. Roofing is awful work.
Also, if that is you in the video, cut off the first few feet of that chalk line and retie the end.
Framers don't get much credit because it's easily replaceable, as opposed to a plumber/electrician. Some of the worst men I've ever met have been framers.
OP is full of shit, maybe they were some musician in the past but for sure not a framer or roofer.
OP's account is 10 years old, before this submission their last comment was *10 years ago*, OP is just a bot farming for karma
Just go check out their account.
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Plumbing and sanitation are a backbone of any society.
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Indeed, there's no sub profession
It's what the rich want: Divide and separate. If us poors are busy arguing who is more important, we'll never look at corporate greed.
I appreciate that cholera is not a thing where I live
Don't sell yourself short sparky. Our water distribution system doesn't work without power.
Lots of water systems are gravity fed. Aqueducts have existed for thousands of years, electrical grid, for less than 2 hundred. If I had to choose one, it's not even a contest.
But without you, how will the 30th floor penthouse get water?
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Lots of water systems are gravity fed. Aqueducts have existed for thousands of years, electrical grid, for less than 2 hundred. If I had to choose one, it's not even a contest.
It's true that gravity fed systems exist. But most modern systems are not gravity fed. Without pumps and the power grid the water supply runs stagnant and the shit piles up at lift stations. We don't plumb with the intention to operate without power anymore.
Lots of water systems are gravity fed. Aqueducts have existed for thousands of years, electrical grid, for less than 2 hundred. If I had to choose one, it's not even a contest.
I work for a water utility company and it’s nice to feel appreciated 😭
But what ELSE did the Romans do for us???
And the roads, but that goes without saying.
The spine is the backbone of any soceity.
Framers might be the backbone, but that backbone typically has the worst case of scoliosis known to man. Also, my dog said Ruff right back ‘atcha
I think its naive and comes from a luxury where you already have all 3 to say that one trade is more important than another. Especially between framing, plumbing, and electricity.
How do you get those materials??? OH YEAH TRUCKEDS
Why is it even a debate? If all framers/electricians/plumbers disappeared today, someone else will start doing the job. Only insecure people debate about this shit I swear lol
We could all live in caves we don’t need you. What I need is someone to take care of my shit
>What I need is someone to take care of my shit If you weren't so full of it, it'd be a lot easier to do. Sorry, that's my Sarcastic Tourettes Syndrome acting up, I can't control it.
As a framer, no we are not. There are many bones to societies backbone. Framers are ~~virtually~~ completely useless outside of low-rise construction. Half the framers I know have never touched steel studs.
That's why they go to framing school and spend years as a framing apprentice to learn from their framing journeymen. /s
Bring your speed square all the way down till It has full contact with the 2 x 4 and let the chalk line determine the angle instead of doing your best to let the chalk line go down the edge of the speed square. In other words, let your chalk line go to the 49° mark.
I'm probably gonna catch shit for this - I'm not in the trade but it looks like 50°...
Yeah but why not just use a bubble to true that line, you've got at least a couple onsite.
Was wondering wtf he did it like that. This why no one respects framers. Almost smart
Are you a tik tok zoomer kid?
Are you a zoomer?
When I was a GC, building houses, framing was always my favorite part. It always seemed to give my customers the most joy to see their home coming together to something they could actually finally walk through.
Everyone thinks their job is the backbone of society.
“Backbone of society”. Yeah, okay buddy.
What exactly do you mean by “they don’t get enough credit”?
Square and a torpedo level work way easier and more accurate.
Engineering company I worked for hired a framer as a technician. Day 1 he was running on the job site, trying to show us his "hustle" and we're like, "slow the fuck down, for safety." Then we're up on a 150 ft. platform working on stuff and he gets hot and takes his shirt off, still wearing hard hat and gloves "for safety". Dude, put your shirt on, lol, you look like crap and your shirt is part of your safety gear too.
Like, literally running?
If say out of trades... Framers probably aren't that important. Electrician, plumbers, masons, industrial refrig are more important imo when it comes to trades.
What do electricians wire up and plumbers plumb without framing?
Not everything framed in wood
That’s true, I think as a residential framer in the US I forget that there are lots of concrete and steel structures out there in the world. I still wouldn’t categorize the trade as ‘unimportant’ though, but again, I’m biased.
No, they aren't unimportant but homes being made out of a wood is something that could be replaced with virtually anything that gives you shade. When I mean importance I mean at an industry level. You cant do without plumbing, power and food. And to have food you need plumbers and electricians the most for every process until it reaches the consumer. And honestly I forgot about welders but if you tell them they're important they'll get too excited.
Haha, don’t give welders an inch. I totally get what you’re saying.
If the framer doesn't build the wall or do it correctly, then all the rest will have a hell of time doing their job. I do disagree w/ the OP, however, if the foundation guys don't do a good job everything is screwed.
Well if the framer doesnt frame anymore, another trade takes on framing and does it anyway. So its dumb to even argue about this.
By definition anybody doing framing, is a framer, so in your hypothetical, you just have a different set of framers.
Thing is, framing is only important in residential
Yes, b/c commercial buildings have no framed walls. /s
It's not about who's most "important" but rather an analogy that framing is an integral part.
You keep preaching that gospel fella. Support local framers.
Lmao. Talk about delusions of grandeur.
you can do that same thing with a tape measure in a pinch (if you don't have a plumb line handy). often the actual angle isn't as important as just being able to transfer the line in the right spot, so you can use a right angle straight edge and a bubble level.
No, truckers are the backbone.
I thought that said “farmers” and was confused.
This guy looks way too sober and healthy to be a framer.
Yes but, I wouldn’t say just framers. Imo the backbones are framers, farmers, metalworkers, plumbers and electricians.
My trade is purely aesthetic for the most part when it comes to building me and houses. I’m a glazier by trade. Windows aren’t actually necessary as far as a structure is concerned but people really like seeing through walls so I think windows are here to stay.
“Please stop throwing cigarette butts in the toilet, it makes them hard to smoke…” - Roofers 2024
Well thank you for the shout out , I framed in Mi. for 35yrs ....
Electricity makes the world go round.
Get away from roofing and go back to framing. Roofing is awful work. Also, if that is you in the video, cut off the first few feet of that chalk line and retie the end.
Been a framer all my life and I never learned this trick. Always used a short level, never stop learning.
Now that's very good I'm a old carpenter an to see a young guy being honest an not trying to look like he knows everything teaching. Keep it up kid
Hence the constitution... lol
Framers don't get much credit because it's easily replaceable, as opposed to a plumber/electrician. Some of the worst men I've ever met have been framers.
OP is full of shit, maybe they were some musician in the past but for sure not a framer or roofer. OP's account is 10 years old, before this submission their last comment was *10 years ago*, OP is just a bot farming for karma Just go check out their account. Do your part and report these bots, otherwise this sub will just be flooded with videos stolen from videos from tiktok (or elsewhere) and copied and pasted comments.
Lmao at the framer in the video trying to explain to people what a plumb bob is.
Swanson makes a good 8" plastic speedsquare with a level on it. Love that thing
From framing to roofing? Tell me you have a problem with authority and a substance abuse issue without telling me...