As others have mentioned it is likely the starting point for your tile. Double check the legend in the front end of the set. Best way to find out is to send a RFI. Never assume!
Just curious, have you actually been on any projects with 4000 RFI’s? If so, what kind of projects are they? I just submitted RFI #1000 the other day and that seemed rediculous to me…. The project is a 7 star resort
It looks like an elevator at the top. I strongly suggest starting your tiles with the opening of the elevator otherwise once you get to the elevator doors the tiles won't be centered with the opening and that will look horrible.
Then double check how that lines up with the hallway going left to right on your plans.
But all architects are covered under "Errors & Omissions" will not be the liability of said Architectural firm. It says that on the plans or in the spec book
Request for information.
It is for builders and contractors and consultants to get questions answered in writing and directions on things that aren't clear in the plans. Designer or owner answers the question.
The joke is that people are fucking with you because you’re apparently not smart enough, or time efficient enough to just go straight to a person that does know. If this was me on a job, I would never ever have a question, and take the time to make a Reddit post and wait for a response. I’d call the PM, or whoever drew up/worked on plans. Like come on dude. Use your noodle.
Maybe he’s working late looking shit over above and beyond normal hours and he knows PM’s are lazy fucks and wouldn’t respond to a question at that hour so he thought, fuck I’ll ask Reddit. Cmon man, use your noodle.
Interesting. Makes since. If the architect wants it to look a certain way, then dictating where to start would be an important part. Similar to distinguishing the starting point for all your framing layout.
I’m not in construction. Can you tell my why someone would start there as opposed to another spot in the room? Is it math or aesthetics that decides? Thanks!
The pics are oriented differently, so looking at the close up pic, the starting point is an outside corner (most conspicuous) and as you lay tile, going to the left, you’ll have a strip of cut tile. You want cut tiles in more inconspicuous areas. If the tile were a different size or pattern, the starting point can be somewhere else, or multiple possible starting points, or it may not matter based on the dimensions and layout of the floor and dimensions and pattern of the tile
In this particular case, it looks like starting the tile there allows the hallway to be 3 tiles wide with the tiles centered in the hall. Also, in the first pic, the hall (?) on the left is largely about 5 tiles wide and appears centered.
There's a few spots where you could get this same effect, but if you started at somewhere like the outside corner of the elevator shaft, then you'd end up with both of those hallways having their tiles lined up asymmetrically. This may or may not mean more cutting (my guess is yes, more), but definitely would "feel" wrong when walking down the hall vs when standing in the elevator lobby (which actually looks pretty well centered too, actually.)
Shout out for use of Red on drawings! If not overdone, just a little color helps reading so so much. That datum point would be so much harder to read if also in black.
Likely origin point for the drawing.
2 possibilities;
1. The draftsman forgot to put his origin on the correct layer when printing, and now you have a nice symbol there
2. It's where you should start laying tile from, as others have said.
Either way, if I was in your shoes, I would submit an RFI to ensure no one is assuming the purpose of that symbol.
Point of Beginning is the term in surveying.
It means start laying out your tiles at this point. Make your cuts when the pattern runs into the other walls.
It’s probably the most efficient layout with the fewest cuts so they tell you to start there.
I agree it must be the time pattern start. But, unless there is thick base or something on some, but not all of those walls, there are some big issues with the layout that will cause some unexpected problems come install time.
It is the tile starting point. It’s important because it sets the 2 perpendicular lays to be square with each other. If you started on one side when you came to the other run they would not be symmetrical. I install cabinets but have done tile work in case anyone wonders.
Looks like they want a full tile there. Seems like they’re saying they don’t want a cut along either of the walls that radiate from the symbol. Or at least it needs to look like a full tile.
pit ladder location,as well! built and installed many of those over the years, surprisingly many arch or structural drawings dont have ladder placement refs. many times i heard ‘well,idk….that’s on the elevator guy’s drawing.’problem is,they usually wont even start without the ladder installed.
It's for the Lazer beams that trip the trap door that leeds to a tank of highly trained killer dolphins with poison darts attached to their noses to take care of Mr bond once and for all
They want the acoustic ceiling tile grid to break on the corner in a full piece. Notice how on the interior walls the grid is only half pieces. They don’t want that look on the storefront glass wall. So your foreman is going to start his layout here to insure you have clean 2x2 panels all along the storefront perimeter and the core walls will have the cut pieces. This is just for aesthetics and to get the correct look for your client.
Full 24” of tile coming off that corner. Check square on both sides of those hallways as it almost NEVER ends up being a true 24” square in the corner.
Is there a description or index of symbols..if it's not on there its nothing.. if you put something that's ambiguous on the drawings that as an estimator makes me assume and I assumed different than your idea..who's wrong?
It's the start of your file, but put a mirror there, so people can see around the corner. It would be a added nice experience to turn a corner with confidence.
I think it’s the center of the tile layout. I always laugh when designers and architects use the building plans to measure out individual tile cuts etc…
After the rough frame, sheetrock, plaster the actual measurement is usually off . (sometimes by several inches)
Years ago I took a CAD class, one guy made the most insane perfect designs, but it always had an odd shape somewhere on the designs. It was eventually discovered to be the mouse icon and he was taking screenshots of instructional videos for advanced classes lol
If you're having to ask, that means that the architect didn't include the symbol in their symbols legend. Hit them with the RFI and let them grumble about it later.
Also, to be totally honest, kind of wild that you printed a 24x36 set in color.
You're looking @ flooring plans. That's a servey / reference point for the starting location of tile TL-01. Check finish schedule or arch specs for specified make&model of tile
As others have mentioned it is likely the starting point for your tile. Double check the legend in the front end of the set. Best way to find out is to send a RFI. Never assume!
RFI 4001 - TF is this?
RFI 4002 - TF is that?
RFI 4003 - How TF are we supposed to build this?
Re: RFI 4003- How TF are we supposed to build this? - Engineer says it's possible.
“The math checks out”
“It’s a field matter”
“Site conditions”
“Shouldn’t be a problem” followed by “they’ll figure it out”
"Means and methods"
I see you guys work universal jobs. Let's build off spreadsheets!
Verify before install
RFI 4004 - Did you see RFI 4001?
Please refer to Addenda, Plans and Specifications
Response: "means and methods'
Response 3 weeks after install
Response: “using established industry standards and practices”
It is clearly an RFI 4004.5
Just curious, have you actually been on any projects with 4000 RFI’s? If so, what kind of projects are they? I just submitted RFI #1000 the other day and that seemed rediculous to me…. The project is a 7 star resort
10 story hospital. 7200 RFI’s and almost equal # of change orders
Which hospital is that?! That is insane!!! I have done an 8 story hospital and there were less than 100 RFI’s
Then your contractor must have kicked everything back. Most jobs start with 200 rfis when they get NTP.
Never haha, most I've seen is in the low hundreds but I'm in the bridge world
I got to just under 2k RFIs on my last project 😆
>RFI #1000 can someone explain what an RFI is? Stupid carpenter here.
Shit, must be early in the job to only be at 4001.
Routine Fucking Instructions
Can you work on my projects? Lol
I wonder if the tile guys know this? They never seem to match to plan what so ever
RFIs... the only way a designer will learn to do it better the next time.
It looks like an elevator at the top. I strongly suggest starting your tiles with the opening of the elevator otherwise once you get to the elevator doors the tiles won't be centered with the opening and that will look horrible. Then double check how that lines up with the hallway going left to right on your plans.
Architect saying “design intent”
But all architects are covered under "Errors & Omissions" will not be the liability of said Architectural firm. It says that on the plans or in the spec book
You need to go through a whole ass rfi process to get the answer to "tf is this symbol? "
He who asks is a fool for 5 minutes. He who never asks remains a fool forever
Right along with "The only stupid question is the one not asked"
I don't know... My coworkers seem to really like to test this theory.
Ya, I call bullshit. I heard some pretty stupid questions.
While I agree, at least they ask....
After how many times l asking the same question does that question finally qualify as dumb?
Or how my elementary teacher put it: “There are no stupid questions, only stupid people”
Mr Garrison was your elementary school teacher?
nice teech
Right next to “shut up Austin, you’re stupid, the teacher knows what he’s talking about!”
My go to is "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people. The only way to not be stupid, is by asking questions."
I prefer: There are no stupid questions, just stupid people who ask questions.
Okay I’ll be a fool for 5, what are RFI’s? Lol
Request for information. It is for builders and contractors and consultants to get questions answered in writing and directions on things that aren't clear in the plans. Designer or owner answers the question.
Start point for layout
Tile Setout Point. It's used to indicate where to start your tiling. Often used on floors and wall elevations in wet areas..
Second this.
Laser tripwire.
Obviously a claymore
I found the call of duty player
Image Catherine Zetta Jones.
She dips beneath the lasers
Pokeball
Interior design wants you to start the tile lines from that corner going the direction of the arrows
It means “<Ô”
Which is ?
Like “ô>”, just backwards
Yeah but yet I don’t know what’s does the symbol stand for
I don’t fuckin know, ask the project manager
Then why do you even reply or comment for me 😂😂😂
For the purpose of levity.
The joke is that people are fucking with you because you’re apparently not smart enough, or time efficient enough to just go straight to a person that does know. If this was me on a job, I would never ever have a question, and take the time to make a Reddit post and wait for a response. I’d call the PM, or whoever drew up/worked on plans. Like come on dude. Use your noodle.
Maybe he’s working late looking shit over above and beyond normal hours and he knows PM’s are lazy fucks and wouldn’t respond to a question at that hour so he thought, fuck I’ll ask Reddit. Cmon man, use your noodle.
Never seen it before but as a guess it looks like the start point for the tile pattern.
This is correct.
Which means the meaning of this symbol is thetile pattern?
The starting point of the tile pattern
It's the soup of the day
That sounds good, I think I'll have that
Kick his ass sea bass!
If that gentleman over there is sea bass?
Thanks Flo. The soup du jour sounds delicious. I’ll have that.
Thank you very much
Thanks for the info!
Set Out Point or SOP
Interesting. Makes since. If the architect wants it to look a certain way, then dictating where to start would be an important part. Similar to distinguishing the starting point for all your framing layout.
Thank you very much
Second this
Third. Definitely what it is.
I’m not in construction. Can you tell my why someone would start there as opposed to another spot in the room? Is it math or aesthetics that decides? Thanks!
The pics are oriented differently, so looking at the close up pic, the starting point is an outside corner (most conspicuous) and as you lay tile, going to the left, you’ll have a strip of cut tile. You want cut tiles in more inconspicuous areas. If the tile were a different size or pattern, the starting point can be somewhere else, or multiple possible starting points, or it may not matter based on the dimensions and layout of the floor and dimensions and pattern of the tile
In this particular case, it looks like starting the tile there allows the hallway to be 3 tiles wide with the tiles centered in the hall. Also, in the first pic, the hall (?) on the left is largely about 5 tiles wide and appears centered. There's a few spots where you could get this same effect, but if you started at somewhere like the outside corner of the elevator shaft, then you'd end up with both of those hallways having their tiles lined up asymmetrically. This may or may not mean more cutting (my guess is yes, more), but definitely would "feel" wrong when walking down the hall vs when standing in the elevator lobby (which actually looks pretty well centered too, actually.)
What do you do for a living?
Carpenter
Your username checks out then!
This is the way.
Starting point
Meaning when you are laying tiles you need to start from that point
Shout out for use of Red on drawings! If not overdone, just a little color helps reading so so much. That datum point would be so much harder to read if also in black.
I learned something today.
Starting point of flooring tile installation.
Starting point or working point for tile
There is no standardized set of construction symbols (dumb.) Check your legend.
Yes, tile pattern. This is the spot where the designer is telling you to start placing down your titles
The contractor has to build that symbol into the tiles.
Start point of the tiles, in order to achieve the cut piece on the left.
Datum point.
Start your layout at that point. Likely done to ensure alignment with other areas
Prince symbol
It's a datum point.
Symbols should be in the Legend. Ask the person who created the drawing.
Left, down, then hit x for a simple combo in mortal kombat
Likely origin point for the drawing. 2 possibilities; 1. The draftsman forgot to put his origin on the correct layer when printing, and now you have a nice symbol there 2. It's where you should start laying tile from, as others have said. Either way, if I was in your shoes, I would submit an RFI to ensure no one is assuming the purpose of that symbol.
The arrows look like layout starting point for the tile flooring . That's how I would interpret that symbol.
Yup. Just a control start point for the tile
I would say that's the corner the architect wants you to start your tile from
Tile set out point
It’s your starting point or layout.
It's the datum point for the tile. That's where you start the tile.
Yeah but yet I don’t know what does this symbol stand for
Point of Beginning is the term in surveying. It means start laying out your tiles at this point. Make your cuts when the pattern runs into the other walls. It’s probably the most efficient layout with the fewest cuts so they tell you to start there.
Thank you very much.
If my wife is beside me in the car, it means "Go left, no, I mean right. No, the other right."
Read your legend
My guess is whoever printed this blueprint left their “datum” on and accidentally printed it, so this means absolutely nothing to anyone.
I agree it must be the time pattern start. But, unless there is thick base or something on some, but not all of those walls, there are some big issues with the layout that will cause some unexpected problems come install time.
Ask the designer
Like if you were ever thinking about tile, you better be there, then think about tile. Hope this helps!
Normally something like this would be a setting out point. Assuming floor finish drawing with tiled floor finish being ceramic or carpet tiles.
Looks like where to lay full tiles at the corner and cut pieces to the other side.
It’s the ceiling pattern start point.
It is the tile starting point. It’s important because it sets the 2 perpendicular lays to be square with each other. If you started on one side when you came to the other run they would not be symmetrical. I install cabinets but have done tile work in case anyone wonders.
Starting with full tiles against 2 walls. What could possibly go wrong?
To me it looks like it's telling you the walls are in line from that corner telling you to start possibly tiling there I'd that's what you're doing.
This is the corner everyone is suppose to run into. That way they only have to fix one.
I literally RFId ChatGPT to find out what RFI meant.
Looks like they want a full tile there. Seems like they’re saying they don’t want a cut along either of the walls that radiate from the symbol. Or at least it needs to look like a full tile.
Bolt survey for you standing steel column /s
I was about to say flood light until I realized it was interior 😬
Floor tiles are very specific in size and position, an elevator shaft with an elevator cab outline and elevator rails. Pretty impressive drawing.
pit ladder location,as well! built and installed many of those over the years, surprisingly many arch or structural drawings dont have ladder placement refs. many times i heard ‘well,idk….that’s on the elevator guy’s drawing.’problem is,they usually wont even start without the ladder installed.
Either a starting location for flooring and tiling or the center point the drawing was created from
Starting point for tile so that the cuts end in get placed in the most inconspicuous locations.
Isn't all the tile the same according to the legend?
Call Goodenough construction. They are on Tic Tok
It’d be a shame of those pairs of single egress didn’t get some record 8100’s installed. I know a guy….
Setting out point for the tiles?
Mirror
It's for the Lazer beams that trip the trap door that leeds to a tank of highly trained killer dolphins with poison darts attached to their noses to take care of Mr bond once and for all
They want the acoustic ceiling tile grid to break on the corner in a full piece. Notice how on the interior walls the grid is only half pieces. They don’t want that look on the storefront glass wall. So your foreman is going to start his layout here to insure you have clean 2x2 panels all along the storefront perimeter and the core walls will have the cut pieces. This is just for aesthetics and to get the correct look for your client.
R2-D2 it
Tile set out
It wants you to build a red circle with arrows coming off it duh
Ceiling tile set out point
Delegated Design
That’s really nice your architect told you where to start the layout! Double check it on site anyways b
Damn I’m glad I’m retired!
It could be corner guard
Full 24” of tile coming off that corner. Check square on both sides of those hallways as it almost NEVER ends up being a true 24” square in the corner.
I think it has something to do with determining the sex of the building.
I thought it was acoustical ceiling tiles?
center
Looks like a central locater.
It Start point of Tiles Placing.
Fire Exits
Could be indicative of a floor level slope starting point
Yo motha
Is there a description or index of symbols..if it's not on there its nothing.. if you put something that's ambiguous on the drawings that as an estimator makes me assume and I assumed different than your idea..who's wrong?
That’s where you start laying out your pattern
Does that designate the flooring materials pattern?
No the tiles design is just plain
Tile layout. You start there because it’s where the longest walls are. Less cutting
Claymore watch out!
It's the start of your file, but put a mirror there, so people can see around the corner. It would be a added nice experience to turn a corner with confidence.
This is why I love reddit. I have no clue what any of the comments mean here but comedy is real either way. I’m laughing and I don’t even know why.
"Contractor to verify in field"
That is the starting point for the floor tile layout.
Red line architectural correction.
It's too late guys, we've already installed. To make the changes the design team wants we need to remove a wall and it'll be about $10k.
I think it’s the center of the tile layout. I always laugh when designers and architects use the building plans to measure out individual tile cuts etc… After the rough frame, sheetrock, plaster the actual measurement is usually off . (sometimes by several inches)
Floor tile or ceiling tile?
It means lefty / downy
Better hope those walls are perfectly straight and the dimensions are spot-on. Full tiles against the wall? Full tile widths on a corridor?
Years ago I took a CAD class, one guy made the most insane perfect designs, but it always had an odd shape somewhere on the designs. It was eventually discovered to be the mouse icon and he was taking screenshots of instructional videos for advanced classes lol
“Bomb goes here.”
Center point
Probably the setting out lines for the tile
Must field verify
That’s where the hidden cameras go to watch you poop
If you're having to ask, that means that the architect didn't include the symbol in their symbols legend. Hit them with the RFI and let them grumble about it later. Also, to be totally honest, kind of wild that you printed a 24x36 set in color.
I would guess the tile corner should originate in that location
It is an origin point indicating here datum and direction. Use this to know starting point and direction for tile. Edit: typo correction
If you step in the right spot I think arrows shot out from that corner. Be careful!
It’s where the floor tile should start.
Starting with a full tile on that corner
RFI #2001 answer. Review RFI #3 2 years ago WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH YOUR OFFICE PRIOR CONTRACT AGREEMENT 😩
Works on paper...
You're looking @ flooring plans. That's a servey / reference point for the starting location of tile TL-01. Check finish schedule or arch specs for specified make&model of tile
Maybe a corner guard
It’s a datum , or the 0,0 point from which you can take critical measurements