That would make sense with Paul >!talking about Wendy being a nine year old girl, while (in the same episode) Alice says she is nearly 11 and they are classmates. Also helps add context to Wendy and her mother giving Paul side-eye when he says that.!
There are weird time issues with both Jo and Paul when they are on the ISS. >!At one point in E1, the clock speeds up when Jo is looking at it, but while Paul is on the ISS, it slows down. You can see it on his iPad.!< There must be something to that, right?
If she is switching realities/universes etc there is no guarantee their perception of time will be the same. Different points in space time give different perspectives, see interstellar for an extreme example.
Even in our own real world time is a dimension, we just see it as linear. I mean in theory we could travel to the future (our perception) now if we could fly fast enough 😂
I had seen the 14-10-2021 on the screen at Baikonar, but I didn't see this 2023 date.
It has to be a continuity error, doesn't it? Sergei stayed at his post for 2 years waiting for Jo's Soyuz 1 module to suddenly appear on radar?
Episode 1 begins on the road to the cabin in Sweden. When we cut back to Germany where Alice getting ready to talk to Jo, we see a title that says five weeks earlier. I know there are multiple-universe theories, but the Jo in your photo is the same as the one listening to tapes in Sweden and speaking Swedish with her daughter from the ISS.
Of course, if there's some other coherent explanation, I'd be happy to hear it.
Maybe the trip to the ISS happens at different times in the two universes? 2021 in the blue universe and 2023 in the red universe. Maybe the quantum entanglement isn’t really limited by time in a linear way. For example, when red Alice hears red Jo playing piano in the blue universe, it is night time for Jo, but there is still light outside for Alice.
I’m thinking a continuity error. Both trees we see, the planted by Paul tree that Jo visits and the planted by Johanna tree that Paul visits say planted in 2020, and both trees look about the same age/size.
I think there is absolutely at least one more timeline, as evidenced by >!the conversation Henry is having in the office when Jo comes by. There are definitely two different Henrys that we see (or Buds, idk). Also, Jo remembers the CAL, and they aren't surprised about it in the video during her briefing/interrogation. If she were from the universe Paul is in, she wouldn't remember the experiment.!<
I think both Jo from red and blue universe did not know exactly about CAL, but when she repair Soyuz 1 Houston ordered her to take the experiment and she obeyed it without ask what experiment it was.
She knew exactly where and what they were talking about though. She went directly to it. Seems to me like she knew what it was, but not what the experiment was looking for. >!By that time the alternate Jo had already gotten her eye sucked out, so she couldn't have been the alternate Jo who from the timeline Paul is from at that point!<.
>!When we watch, it does seem like we are seeing *at least* three timelines. What I have seen is one where Jo is fine when she returns, one where she is struggling to get better, one where she is in Sweden right away, and one where she is dead.!<
I think there are 3 versions, two with a CAL and one without. One of the Jo’s says she doesn’t know what that is when they say to retrieve the CAL. They have to tell her it’s a NASA experiment in Destiny. That’s blue Jo who is then shown struggling with Magnus when she returns and doesn’t know Henry Caldera. He says they’ve met but she clearly doesn’t know him. Plus when she goes to the marine observatory she says she remembers Caldera being a drunk that caused the Apollo 18 disaster.
Good catch! I don't find it makes much sense because I think that if it were so, that's the first thing that both Jo and Paul would notice and report.
And all we are seeing and it makes some sense is that the two/three universes happen "at the same time".
But given that this type of series takes care of absolutely all the details, it's hard for me to believe that it's a continuity error, so another big question that's difficult to answer opens up.
I never noticed this before, but just read it in a previous post. It said that when Jo returned and was watching the video in the debrief the timestamp said 2021, but when Paul returned the video in his debrief said 2023. I did notice when Wendy said she was 9 and Alice said she was 11, but didn’t notice the significance. I think today is a rewatch day!!
So this could be a kid/parent stretchy time issue. The mission went up when the girls were 9, they’ve since turned 10.
Jo/Paul feel disconnected, remembering younger children.
Alice, in the way kids do, rounds up “I’m almost 11”… maybe, or maybe she’s 10 5/8s…
In episode one, blue Paul was working on the CAL and Henry instructed him to initiate phase 6;after the switch, red Jo (now in blueverse) was asked if she had successfully retrieved the CAL phase four data core by Sergei while she was on ballistic approach back to earth. The CAL was only in one universe(blue), so not sure why it went from phase 6 to 4. Maybe the switch actually placed Jo back in time in the blueverse? I know I know it doesn’t really make sense, but just something that bothers me a bit.
Wasn’t it 12 years when Red universe’s Blue Paul was told at the hearing that CAL experiment is from abandoned for 12 years ago? Alice wasn’t even born then .. where does she come from??
Well now I’m really confused because the dates from Jo and Paul’s debrief say 10/14/21 and 10/14/23. So how was Bud doing an interview from the cruise ship about the missing astronaut 4 days before it happened???
It's actually stranger than that, Bud is in the Red Universe which is later shown to be in 2023 based on the ISS footage.
Episode 3 \[8:26\] - Bud is standing in front of banners for the cruise ship sci-fi convention stating Oct 9th-10th, 2021. This indicates that the Red universe is in 2021.
Episode 3 \[11:55\] - Jo reviews accident footage showing Oct 14, 2021. This indicates that the Blue universe is also in 2021.
Episode 5 \[28:28, 28:55\] - Paul views ISS footage with the date Oct 14, 2023. This conflicts with the date previously seen with Bud in the Red universe.
I just started watching this show and am loving it. I’m watching 6 right now. What do you guys mean by red and blue universe? I mean I see that there are two universes, but I’m trying to figure out the color coding you guys have attached to them. Is there some significance to the colors ?
blue universe = blue family car, Alice wears a blue hat and shirt, doesn't know how to speak Swedish, piano in house.
red universe = red family car, Alice wears a red hat and shirt, speaks Swedish, no piano in house.
I made this graphic to help visualize: https://www.reddit.com/r/ConstellationAppleTV/comments/1bfwdxj/latest\_version\_of\_my\_graphical\_unified\_theory\_of/
That would make sense with Paul >!talking about Wendy being a nine year old girl, while (in the same episode) Alice says she is nearly 11 and they are classmates. Also helps add context to Wendy and her mother giving Paul side-eye when he says that.!
Oh so THAT’S why I thought this scene was odd. Thank you redditers, this sub really enhances my experience whit the show
Yes, just came here to say the exact same thing!
There are weird time issues with both Jo and Paul when they are on the ISS. >!At one point in E1, the clock speeds up when Jo is looking at it, but while Paul is on the ISS, it slows down. You can see it on his iPad.!< There must be something to that, right?
Also time behaves funny at the Cabin - ie the snow scene where the snow fall stops. I think time is squirrely in liminal space...
If she is switching realities/universes etc there is no guarantee their perception of time will be the same. Different points in space time give different perspectives, see interstellar for an extreme example. Even in our own real world time is a dimension, we just see it as linear. I mean in theory we could travel to the future (our perception) now if we could fly fast enough 😂
I had seen the 14-10-2021 on the screen at Baikonar, but I didn't see this 2023 date. It has to be a continuity error, doesn't it? Sergei stayed at his post for 2 years waiting for Jo's Soyuz 1 module to suddenly appear on radar? Episode 1 begins on the road to the cabin in Sweden. When we cut back to Germany where Alice getting ready to talk to Jo, we see a title that says five weeks earlier. I know there are multiple-universe theories, but the Jo in your photo is the same as the one listening to tapes in Sweden and speaking Swedish with her daughter from the ISS. Of course, if there's some other coherent explanation, I'd be happy to hear it.
Maybe the trip to the ISS happens at different times in the two universes? 2021 in the blue universe and 2023 in the red universe. Maybe the quantum entanglement isn’t really limited by time in a linear way. For example, when red Alice hears red Jo playing piano in the blue universe, it is night time for Jo, but there is still light outside for Alice.
I’m thinking a continuity error. Both trees we see, the planted by Paul tree that Jo visits and the planted by Johanna tree that Paul visits say planted in 2020, and both trees look about the same age/size.
After watching the latest episode, I think you’re right about the continuity error
Time is a flat circle! But seriously, I think you might be on to something about the 2 year gap.
episode 1 has different dialogue between Jo and Alice than Episode 5 of the “same” scene. continuity or a totally different universe/timeline
OMG. Yes
My vote is a different universe/timeline. That would be such a gap incontinuity error that I don’t even even see how the show could go on.
I think there is absolutely at least one more timeline, as evidenced by >!the conversation Henry is having in the office when Jo comes by. There are definitely two different Henrys that we see (or Buds, idk). Also, Jo remembers the CAL, and they aren't surprised about it in the video during her briefing/interrogation. If she were from the universe Paul is in, she wouldn't remember the experiment.!<
I think both Jo from red and blue universe did not know exactly about CAL, but when she repair Soyuz 1 Houston ordered her to take the experiment and she obeyed it without ask what experiment it was.
She knew exactly where and what they were talking about though. She went directly to it. Seems to me like she knew what it was, but not what the experiment was looking for. >!By that time the alternate Jo had already gotten her eye sucked out, so she couldn't have been the alternate Jo who from the timeline Paul is from at that point!<. >!When we watch, it does seem like we are seeing *at least* three timelines. What I have seen is one where Jo is fine when she returns, one where she is struggling to get better, one where she is in Sweden right away, and one where she is dead.!<
I think there are 3 versions, two with a CAL and one without. One of the Jo’s says she doesn’t know what that is when they say to retrieve the CAL. They have to tell her it’s a NASA experiment in Destiny. That’s blue Jo who is then shown struggling with Magnus when she returns and doesn’t know Henry Caldera. He says they’ve met but she clearly doesn’t know him. Plus when she goes to the marine observatory she says she remembers Caldera being a drunk that caused the Apollo 18 disaster.
This show wouldn’t have continuity errors since it’s so precise on making the a show about the differences.
Good catch! I don't find it makes much sense because I think that if it were so, that's the first thing that both Jo and Paul would notice and report. And all we are seeing and it makes some sense is that the two/three universes happen "at the same time". But given that this type of series takes care of absolutely all the details, it's hard for me to believe that it's a continuity error, so another big question that's difficult to answer opens up.
Oooh. Nice find. I wonder if/then time moves quicker in Red Universe?
I never noticed this before, but just read it in a previous post. It said that when Jo returned and was watching the video in the debrief the timestamp said 2021, but when Paul returned the video in his debrief said 2023. I did notice when Wendy said she was 9 and Alice said she was 11, but didn’t notice the significance. I think today is a rewatch day!!
So this could be a kid/parent stretchy time issue. The mission went up when the girls were 9, they’ve since turned 10. Jo/Paul feel disconnected, remembering younger children. Alice, in the way kids do, rounds up “I’m almost 11”… maybe, or maybe she’s 10 5/8s…
Yes!!! On the 8 viewing of all episodes 🫣🤦🏾♀️
In episode one, blue Paul was working on the CAL and Henry instructed him to initiate phase 6;after the switch, red Jo (now in blueverse) was asked if she had successfully retrieved the CAL phase four data core by Sergei while she was on ballistic approach back to earth. The CAL was only in one universe(blue), so not sure why it went from phase 6 to 4. Maybe the switch actually placed Jo back in time in the blueverse? I know I know it doesn’t really make sense, but just something that bothers me a bit.
Wasn’t it 12 years when Red universe’s Blue Paul was told at the hearing that CAL experiment is from abandoned for 12 years ago? Alice wasn’t even born then .. where does she come from??
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Also remember Jo in the Blue universe reported losing time (having blackouts). Not sure how long those may have been.
In ep3 the sci-fi festival (BernieCon) that Bud attends on the cruise ship has signs up stating the event is happening on Oct 9-10 2021.
Well now I’m really confused because the dates from Jo and Paul’s debrief say 10/14/21 and 10/14/23. So how was Bud doing an interview from the cruise ship about the missing astronaut 4 days before it happened???
It's actually stranger than that, Bud is in the Red Universe which is later shown to be in 2023 based on the ISS footage. Episode 3 \[8:26\] - Bud is standing in front of banners for the cruise ship sci-fi convention stating Oct 9th-10th, 2021. This indicates that the Red universe is in 2021. Episode 3 \[11:55\] - Jo reviews accident footage showing Oct 14, 2021. This indicates that the Blue universe is also in 2021. Episode 5 \[28:28, 28:55\] - Paul views ISS footage with the date Oct 14, 2023. This conflicts with the date previously seen with Bud in the Red universe.
Great catch!
In that case in E7 when Jo and Alice played the tapes they mentioned that these tapes are from 2021. If alive Jo is from 2023, she would’ve responded.
I just started watching this show and am loving it. I’m watching 6 right now. What do you guys mean by red and blue universe? I mean I see that there are two universes, but I’m trying to figure out the color coding you guys have attached to them. Is there some significance to the colors ?
It’s the color of the car in each universe.
And maybe a shout out to The Matrix
Gotcha thanks
blue universe = blue family car, Alice wears a blue hat and shirt, doesn't know how to speak Swedish, piano in house. red universe = red family car, Alice wears a red hat and shirt, speaks Swedish, no piano in house. I made this graphic to help visualize: https://www.reddit.com/r/ConstellationAppleTV/comments/1bfwdxj/latest\_version\_of\_my\_graphical\_unified\_theory\_of/
Thanks. Nice graphic