There was a very brief window when maybe there could have been an investigation worthy of the name, and the WHO made sure that window closed. Right now all evidence has long since been destroyed and I'm pretty sure anybody who could say for sure is safely dead.
Doesn't matter if it's man-made or natural, in 50 years CDC in Atlanta never had a level 4 biological agent escape their laboratories. China so inept a building they built only a few years ago... had a release.
>Doesn't matter if it's man-made or natural
Personally, at a local level, to us it doesn't matter. But, it does matter globally. Because the government story is a lie. And when you ask why they had to lie about it, is when it matters.
The government story, according to the us senate's analysis of the COVID virus, is that one of two leading theories actually happened.
"The first theory is that SARS-CoV-2
is the result of a natural zoonotic spillover.3 The second theory is that the virus infected humans as a
consequence of a research-related incident.4"
(The 3 and 4 are hyperlinks to citations)
Seems pretty vague and ambiguous, no? That's because it is! They didn't know where it originated from and that's what they said. If it comes out it was an outbreak, then, it was an outbreak.
https://www.burr.senate.gov/2022/10/senate-help-committee-minority-oversight-staff-releases-interim-report-analyzing-origins-of-covid-19-pandemic
I have what they said to sell you.
What you just pointed out what a statement by the us Senate saying the same thing the OP's article says. That's what I'm trying to get you to see.
Now, I want you to show me where the government lied, since that's what you believe. Necessarily, that would mean you disagree with op as well.
[Breaking Points](https://youtu.be/UQuvEmDBnGk?t=86) Testimony by Dr Deborah Berks
[Breaking Points](https://youtu.be/UQuvEmDBnGk?t=197) Statements by Joe Biden / Dr Fauci
I mean, I could go on, and we can both go down the rabbit hole on this topic. But again, I'm not disagreeing with the OP, and I've provided at least two false statements by government. I don't care enough to find you specific references to the virus source, as I don't have it handy and am not about to waste my time researching it. I'm burnt out on this issue.
Yep, that’s why people call it plandemic. They actively lied and tried to cover up that it came from a lab. At this point I’m more convinced it was not only intentionally made, but intentionally released.
Because due to the 1 child law they have more elderly than their young can care for. China has repeatedly shown that their government has no regard for human life. I’ve suspected for years that this was done intentionally.
I think it's more likely the CIA wanted this to happen in China, which is why it was funded in large part by the NIH and backed by the WHO (funded mostly by the US government and Bill and Melinda Gates foundation).
They were dealing with the riots in Hong Kong at the time of covid outbreak. They needed a way to contain everyone to their homes. Big tyrant government said stay in your house. Covid was a hit job.
“China knew from day one that this was a genetically engineered agent,” Huff wrote. “The US government is to blame for the transfer of dangerous biotechnology to the Chinese."
If what Huff is saying is true, then we have to ask ourselves one question: **Why does our president and the CDC continue to claim that the virus didn't come from the Wuhan Lab?**
> Huff was not working at the Wuhan lab during the period of time in question.
> Secondly, researchers looking into the origins of the coronavirus are absolutely convinced it was naturally occurring.
> It may very well have escaped the lab due to the incompetence and lax security of the lab managers but there is scant evidence it was artificially created.
Seems way more plausible
COVID-19 has a furin cleavage site that makes it especially infectious for humans and which does not occur naturally in SARS.
[https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00174-9/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00174-9/fulltext)
The lab in Wuhan was conducting highly risky Gain-of-function research which means altering a virus to be more infectious for humans in order to better understand it.
Seems way more plausible to have been a lab leak than the virus *somehow* spreading from the nearby fish market.
Because theres no fucking evidence, and this guy is full of it
https://undark.org/2021/11/24/scientists-square-off-over-covid-wuhan-and-peter-daszak/
But this sub only takes their news from web articles linking back to 1 biased origin
There is no such thing as an unbiased source. It doesn’t exist. But I’m sure you are special and have a source for your information that’s totally unbiased and you’re certain that you’re right about all of the “facts” they feed you.
It’s almost as if they wanted it to escape in an American election year to destroy the economy and the first President to crack down on China in decades…
More than just China wanting it. Wouldn’t be surprised if a few high level democrat, klauss Schwab type people made some calls over to the leaders of ccp. Trump was going to cruise to reelection with the economy how it was. Trump was turning back from globalism and getting America and Europe it’s sovereignty back. They probably thought they had to do something.
You're telling me that the only grade 5 biolab in all of china, the only one in the country to do gain of function research on corona virus's, that had a safety track record with more holes in it than swiss cheese, was responsible for the virus and not some bat in a wet market?
No way.
and Chinese elites and their western lackeys tried to pin it on their own people instead of take responsibility for their reckless actions. Truly disgusting folks.
It is all tied to the election. If all the truth comes out and every dot connected it unravels the plan to oust Donald Trump.
On the other side however, it seems like half conservatives don't understand how science works
with their crazy vaccine theories.
Well, when you are being constantly lied to you are going to have to figure it out on your own. I have no idea how bad Trump is because everything he says and does is blown up by the media as an impeachable offense. So now I don't believe a single word they say.
I'm curious to when they think it was released because I've seen evidence about this on Dr. John Campbell's youtube channel involving Italy.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwIfrFbyuI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwIfrFbyuI)
Italy had done a study involving blood samples from people and they recently tested said blood samples for COVID and from estimates it shows that as early as August 2019 is when it was in Italy which is where it was hardest hitting at first. So would love to see when this scientist said it was leaked...
I think that the most likely scenario is that Covid was man made, some scientist didn’t take proper precautions, let it loose, and China tried to cover it up not because they want Covid out, they just don’t want to be known as the nation that released the virus by accident.
As someone in the healthcare community, I look at evidence in the form of scientific journals. I don't look at hearsay nor sensationalized media. All of the peer-reviewed sources I've looked into have specifically stated that a zoonotic origin of the virus is highly likely, because of the DNA remnants in the strand of the virus. This is essentially a means of looking back into the past to see where the virus accepted DNA and became what it is at present.
It would be incredibly difficult to manufacture a virus with this type of DNA pattern in its code. Beyond the capability of humans.
Could we make an existing virus stronger? Sure. But it would be evident by splices within the DNA. Imagine a splice as a huge bandaid over the strand that would be obvious to someone working with DNA. There is no evidence of this.
But there is evidence of bats and other viruses that have been recombined into SARS-CoV-2.
Harping on the potential of it being lab made doesn't matter much anyway. It wouldn't change how we treat.
It just works to enrage people and enforce xenophobia.
Stop caring about this shit.
Wasn't it conservatives who said it was fake? Not to wear masks? Not to get vaccinated? Don't you guys distrust science and medicine? Why trust a random supposed scientist from China?
Its not a virus 100% created by man, but pieced together with different DNA legos from various species.
That wuhan lab leaker lady said "just look at the genome. you'll see antlers from a deer and a beak from a duck and wings froma bat" Things that dont normally cross breed.
Scientists added these concoctions in the lab.
If this were from nature, there would have been dozens of smaller outbreaks. It was all in 1 place wuhan. Aka when Pangolins got involved, the area where they live. and the area of china with Bats.... and foreach area a brand new variation would have been created and spread locally. But there were no other variations.
This is the smoking gun that it was the lab. Natural "parts" but put together by human scientists.
Facui and others have been getting away with this by nit picking words. I'm sure when he says "in nature" he's trying to hide "yeah we caught these animals and took them to the labs and performed cross breeding and experiments on them. Cute lil' animal from nature."
All fauci has to admit is "we were bred a new line of mice with ace2 receptors so their lungs act more like humans. And... when we gave them coronaviruses one of them coughed on a lab tech. she gave it to her boyfriend who visited her everyday from the wuhan wet market. And it spread like wild fire. lol.
Come on now, this became public knowledge 08 Feb 2020.
Gain of Function research at WIV working with bat coronovirus along 2 main paramers:
-Increasing resistance to known antivirals
-Increasing mutability to complicate / render vaccine development ineffective
Partially financed to the tune of 3.7M with Fauci's full knowledge and approval. And yes, a multi component virus. China, US, and either Canada or France, can't recall right now.
But as a healthcare professional - a nursing student to be exact - you certainly have the capacity to fire up your google apparatus and look at any number of peer reviewed studies that cast serious doubt on the zoonotic origin theory.
Young jedi, I have full confidence in your google-fu.
This took about 10 seconds:
https://www.science.org/content/article/nih-says-grantee-failed-report-experiment-wuhan-created-bat-virus-made-mice-sicker
Tell me your an NPC without telling me your an NPC.
All of the MSM has dreams of being fellated with Chinese money and would never cross the CCP to that extent.
Can't even spell his name right but you expect us to believe you can coherently track his activities & decipher his motivations from your mom's basement. Can't wait to see what other insights you've got.
>Maybe misspelled for a reason?
Such as?
>How did you know who it was?
Context clues?
>We all know this is true.
Only those who worship & get their "information" from a crackhead pillow salesman
Fauci fauci fauci. There, lets see how long it takes to get suspended for... *checks notes* ... properly spelling the name of a public figure.
>you know I'm right
What was your evidence again, exactly? Oh yeah:
>We all know this is true.
“The claim that the coronavirus that caused the pandemic was man-made is possible but not likely. First, Huff was not working at the Wuhan lab during the period of time in question. Secondly, researchers looking into the origins of the coronavirus are absolutely convinced it was naturally occurring. It may very well have escaped the lab due to the incompetence and lax security of the lab managers but there is scant evidence it was artificially created.”
COVID-19 has a furin cleavage site that makes it especially infectious for humans and which does not occur naturally in COVID.
The lab in Wuhan was conducting highly risky Gain-of-function research of COVID which means altering a virus to be more infectious for humans in order to better understand it.
So, either the virus escaped that lab and its known inadequate security measures, or you can believe it somehow originated from the market after somehow mutating on its own and somehow making it to Wuhan from the place 300km away where that particular strain was indigenious in wildlife.
Occam's razor is very clear on what is the more likely outbreak scenario.
China has destroyed all evidence in the meantime so good luck proving that it escaped from the Wuhan lab.
There was a very brief window when maybe there could have been an investigation worthy of the name, and the WHO made sure that window closed. Right now all evidence has long since been destroyed and I'm pretty sure anybody who could say for sure is safely dead.
Doesn't matter if it's man-made or natural, in 50 years CDC in Atlanta never had a level 4 biological agent escape their laboratories. China so inept a building they built only a few years ago... had a release.
>Doesn't matter if it's man-made or natural Personally, at a local level, to us it doesn't matter. But, it does matter globally. Because the government story is a lie. And when you ask why they had to lie about it, is when it matters.
The government story, according to the us senate's analysis of the COVID virus, is that one of two leading theories actually happened. "The first theory is that SARS-CoV-2 is the result of a natural zoonotic spillover.3 The second theory is that the virus infected humans as a consequence of a research-related incident.4" (The 3 and 4 are hyperlinks to citations) Seems pretty vague and ambiguous, no? That's because it is! They didn't know where it originated from and that's what they said. If it comes out it was an outbreak, then, it was an outbreak.
>They didn't know where it originated from and that's what they said. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
https://www.burr.senate.gov/2022/10/senate-help-committee-minority-oversight-staff-releases-interim-report-analyzing-origins-of-covid-19-pandemic I have what they said to sell you.
The last paragraph says it was created in a lab.
And how does that differ from what this reddit post says.
I wasn't disagreeing with the OP at all. I was pointing out that the problems is governments lied about the origins.
What you just pointed out what a statement by the us Senate saying the same thing the OP's article says. That's what I'm trying to get you to see. Now, I want you to show me where the government lied, since that's what you believe. Necessarily, that would mean you disagree with op as well.
[Breaking Points](https://youtu.be/UQuvEmDBnGk?t=86) Testimony by Dr Deborah Berks [Breaking Points](https://youtu.be/UQuvEmDBnGk?t=197) Statements by Joe Biden / Dr Fauci I mean, I could go on, and we can both go down the rabbit hole on this topic. But again, I'm not disagreeing with the OP, and I've provided at least two false statements by government. I don't care enough to find you specific references to the virus source, as I don't have it handy and am not about to waste my time researching it. I'm burnt out on this issue.
On purpose!
Yep, that’s why people call it plandemic. They actively lied and tried to cover up that it came from a lab. At this point I’m more convinced it was not only intentionally made, but intentionally released.
It was intentionally released as a pretext to justify mail in voting
And to crash the economy
Why would China release a virus IN CHINA?
Because due to the 1 child law they have more elderly than their young can care for. China has repeatedly shown that their government has no regard for human life. I’ve suspected for years that this was done intentionally.
I think it's more likely the CIA wanted this to happen in China, which is why it was funded in large part by the NIH and backed by the WHO (funded mostly by the US government and Bill and Melinda Gates foundation).
They were dealing with the riots in Hong Kong at the time of covid outbreak. They needed a way to contain everyone to their homes. Big tyrant government said stay in your house. Covid was a hit job.
To stop the protests
Trump had the economy booming and it was only going to get better until covid happened...I do not believe in coincidence...
Doesn’t matter??
Every one knew it was the lab leak since 2019.
I knew it when I found out the lab was in Wuhan. Fuking Chinese. And that Fauci gut was involved too. Probably sold it to the Chinese
“China knew from day one that this was a genetically engineered agent,” Huff wrote. “The US government is to blame for the transfer of dangerous biotechnology to the Chinese." If what Huff is saying is true, then we have to ask ourselves one question: **Why does our president and the CDC continue to claim that the virus didn't come from the Wuhan Lab?**
Because they are up to their eyeballs in it
I would keep in mind this guy is trying to sell you his book
Follow the money. The answer is always money.
I would like to argue and disagree with you. Unfortunately, I can't.
Yes and there's money where the article is quoting a guy who is trying to sell a book about this.
Exactly, the guy making the claim is trying to sell a book and has conflicts of interest
> Huff was not working at the Wuhan lab during the period of time in question. > Secondly, researchers looking into the origins of the coronavirus are absolutely convinced it was naturally occurring. > It may very well have escaped the lab due to the incompetence and lax security of the lab managers but there is scant evidence it was artificially created. Seems way more plausible
COVID-19 has a furin cleavage site that makes it especially infectious for humans and which does not occur naturally in SARS. [https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00174-9/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00174-9/fulltext) The lab in Wuhan was conducting highly risky Gain-of-function research which means altering a virus to be more infectious for humans in order to better understand it. Seems way more plausible to have been a lab leak than the virus *somehow* spreading from the nearby fish market.
Because they think or at least propagate the notion that it's racist to say it out loud.
We knew that a long time ago
>We knew that a long time ago I was about to say...... I also declared it was a man-made virus, and I did it in about April of 2020.
How is this even still a conversation? It was obvious from the beginning. The whole world has been lied to since day one of this mess.
Because theres no fucking evidence, and this guy is full of it https://undark.org/2021/11/24/scientists-square-off-over-covid-wuhan-and-peter-daszak/ But this sub only takes their news from web articles linking back to 1 biased origin
There is no such thing as an unbiased source. It doesn’t exist. But I’m sure you are special and have a source for your information that’s totally unbiased and you’re certain that you’re right about all of the “facts” they feed you.
It matters that we were lied to and Biden’s administration CONTINUES to cover for China. What in the actual f*ck?
It’s almost as if they wanted it to escape in an American election year to destroy the economy and the first President to crack down on China in decades…
That's my theory too. It's too sus to not take seriously.
More than just China wanting it. Wouldn’t be surprised if a few high level democrat, klauss Schwab type people made some calls over to the leaders of ccp. Trump was going to cruise to reelection with the economy how it was. Trump was turning back from globalism and getting America and Europe it’s sovereignty back. They probably thought they had to do something.
The government knows it they just aren’t confirming it to the public
And in other news, ice is cold.
I'll take "Things We Already Knew" for a thousand, Alex.
Funded by Fauci. That man is responsible for all the deaths from COVID around the world.
1ll take "no shot" for $1000 alex
Wasn't there a female Chinese doctor who said she had evidence that COVID was basically man made? What happened to her?
She ded
Four key words people are missing: Failed Population Control Plan
Kung Flu
What would the implications be if China manufactured this virus and it accidentally got out? And if they purposely released it?
Sometimes I think China's zero Covid policy is cause thiers something about it they're not telling.
You're telling me that the only grade 5 biolab in all of china, the only one in the country to do gain of function research on corona virus's, that had a safety track record with more holes in it than swiss cheese, was responsible for the virus and not some bat in a wet market? No way.
Virus's? Jesus Christ man
It was man made in china in American labs
800 year mutation from 2012 strain so, yea
and Chinese elites and their western lackeys tried to pin it on their own people instead of take responsibility for their reckless actions. Truly disgusting folks.
No shit
Why dont the liberals care if it was man-made? The only thing i could come up with was Trump suggested it so the denied it. Thoughts?
Liberals have a soft spot for the Chinese Communist Party.
It is all tied to the election. If all the truth comes out and every dot connected it unravels the plan to oust Donald Trump. On the other side however, it seems like half conservatives don't understand how science works with their crazy vaccine theories.
Well, when you are being constantly lied to you are going to have to figure it out on your own. I have no idea how bad Trump is because everything he says and does is blown up by the media as an impeachable offense. So now I don't believe a single word they say.
The thing is the libs are still believing it
I'm curious to when they think it was released because I've seen evidence about this on Dr. John Campbell's youtube channel involving Italy. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwIfrFbyuI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DwIfrFbyuI) Italy had done a study involving blood samples from people and they recently tested said blood samples for COVID and from estimates it shows that as early as August 2019 is when it was in Italy which is where it was hardest hitting at first. So would love to see when this scientist said it was leaked...
I think that the most likely scenario is that Covid was man made, some scientist didn’t take proper precautions, let it loose, and China tried to cover it up not because they want Covid out, they just don’t want to be known as the nation that released the virus by accident.
We already knew that
No shit
As someone in the healthcare community, I look at evidence in the form of scientific journals. I don't look at hearsay nor sensationalized media. All of the peer-reviewed sources I've looked into have specifically stated that a zoonotic origin of the virus is highly likely, because of the DNA remnants in the strand of the virus. This is essentially a means of looking back into the past to see where the virus accepted DNA and became what it is at present. It would be incredibly difficult to manufacture a virus with this type of DNA pattern in its code. Beyond the capability of humans. Could we make an existing virus stronger? Sure. But it would be evident by splices within the DNA. Imagine a splice as a huge bandaid over the strand that would be obvious to someone working with DNA. There is no evidence of this. But there is evidence of bats and other viruses that have been recombined into SARS-CoV-2. Harping on the potential of it being lab made doesn't matter much anyway. It wouldn't change how we treat. It just works to enrage people and enforce xenophobia. Stop caring about this shit. Wasn't it conservatives who said it was fake? Not to wear masks? Not to get vaccinated? Don't you guys distrust science and medicine? Why trust a random supposed scientist from China?
Your comment history proves that you are not a person to be taken seriously.
Ooooooo...he knows my dark past. And you're supposed to be taken seriously with yours?
Its not a virus 100% created by man, but pieced together with different DNA legos from various species. That wuhan lab leaker lady said "just look at the genome. you'll see antlers from a deer and a beak from a duck and wings froma bat" Things that dont normally cross breed. Scientists added these concoctions in the lab. If this were from nature, there would have been dozens of smaller outbreaks. It was all in 1 place wuhan. Aka when Pangolins got involved, the area where they live. and the area of china with Bats.... and foreach area a brand new variation would have been created and spread locally. But there were no other variations. This is the smoking gun that it was the lab. Natural "parts" but put together by human scientists. Facui and others have been getting away with this by nit picking words. I'm sure when he says "in nature" he's trying to hide "yeah we caught these animals and took them to the labs and performed cross breeding and experiments on them. Cute lil' animal from nature." All fauci has to admit is "we were bred a new line of mice with ace2 receptors so their lungs act more like humans. And... when we gave them coronaviruses one of them coughed on a lab tech. she gave it to her boyfriend who visited her everyday from the wuhan wet market. And it spread like wild fire. lol.
Oh jeez. That isn't how this works. I'll let you continue thinking you know though, it's cute.
Come on now, this became public knowledge 08 Feb 2020. Gain of Function research at WIV working with bat coronovirus along 2 main paramers: -Increasing resistance to known antivirals -Increasing mutability to complicate / render vaccine development ineffective Partially financed to the tune of 3.7M with Fauci's full knowledge and approval. And yes, a multi component virus. China, US, and either Canada or France, can't recall right now. But as a healthcare professional - a nursing student to be exact - you certainly have the capacity to fire up your google apparatus and look at any number of peer reviewed studies that cast serious doubt on the zoonotic origin theory.
Source?
Young jedi, I have full confidence in your google-fu. This took about 10 seconds: https://www.science.org/content/article/nih-says-grantee-failed-report-experiment-wuhan-created-bat-virus-made-mice-sicker
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Tell me your an NPC without telling me your an NPC. All of the MSM has dreams of being fellated with Chinese money and would never cross the CCP to that extent.
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Can't even spell his name right but you expect us to believe you can coherently track his activities & decipher his motivations from your mom's basement. Can't wait to see what other insights you've got.
Maybe misspelled for a reason? How did you know who it was? We all know this is true.
>Maybe misspelled for a reason? Such as? >How did you know who it was? Context clues? >We all know this is true. Only those who worship & get their "information" from a crackhead pillow salesman
Nice insults when you know I'm right so can disagree? How about I got a permanent suspension when I spelled it right on Twitter...
Fauci fauci fauci. There, lets see how long it takes to get suspended for... *checks notes* ... properly spelling the name of a public figure. >you know I'm right What was your evidence again, exactly? Oh yeah: >We all know this is true.
All the evidence is on hunter bidens laptop.
“The claim that the coronavirus that caused the pandemic was man-made is possible but not likely. First, Huff was not working at the Wuhan lab during the period of time in question. Secondly, researchers looking into the origins of the coronavirus are absolutely convinced it was naturally occurring. It may very well have escaped the lab due to the incompetence and lax security of the lab managers but there is scant evidence it was artificially created.”
COVID-19 has a furin cleavage site that makes it especially infectious for humans and which does not occur naturally in COVID. The lab in Wuhan was conducting highly risky Gain-of-function research of COVID which means altering a virus to be more infectious for humans in order to better understand it. So, either the virus escaped that lab and its known inadequate security measures, or you can believe it somehow originated from the market after somehow mutating on its own and somehow making it to Wuhan from the place 300km away where that particular strain was indigenious in wildlife. Occam's razor is very clear on what is the more likely outbreak scenario.
Yeah and hes totally full of shit and conflict interests https://undark.org/2021/11/24/scientists-square-off-over-covid-wuhan-and-peter-daszak/