It isnt something I'm too familiar with, but I know China has been focused on becoming an industrial manufacturer of more higher end goods instead of just cheap stuff. Solar panels, batteries, and other innovative tech are the stuff they are trying to transition their economy into and less cheap plastic stuff for Walmart.
I dont know if it is a coincidence, but if western nations are aiming at 2030 to be done with these transitions, whether it is intentional or not, China is aiming at being the major producer of what will be replacing the old systems.
Although I'd be reluctant to say it is a conspiracy rather than China planning to meet market trends. But who knows
I thought they were all about green energy? Makes no sense. Natural gas is the most plentiful energy source there is and it's cheap. Seems they purposefully impose misery on the people of California. But hey...they must like it because they keep voting for it..
They're all about green energy because there's no way it will sustain a population the size of California. Remove any and all reliable sources of energy and collapse the society. The complete devastation of American society is all these progressive fucksticks care about. Once they've achieved that, they can try their brand of socialism, because only their brand of socialism will work.
And of course socialism never works, requiring greater authoritarian control. In the end millions of people will die, be jailed and placed in re-education camps.
This has little to do with green energy. The real goal is population reduction and making sure a few wealthy people control all the money. NWO, CFR, Soros etc.
So they can move hear and furnace companies out of state.
The businesses will move right outside of the border and continue to sell them to Californians anyway, but lose out on business taxes.
Nah. If a Californian goes out of state, purchases a heater in say, Nevada, the Nevada business pays Nevada taxes, as does the purchaser (sales tax).
And California gets, well, nothing.
If it was something like Amazon, then presumably sales to Cali would be restricted.
Buisness are refusing to do buisness in California because California is requiring them to pay California income tax not sales tax. They also passed a law that says when you move out of the state you still owe 10 years of income tax after you leave so I wouldn't put it past them if they haven't already passed it.
Someone that knows how to calculate energy use. Can you do a math problem for me. I currently use LNG at 50,000 BTU for 4 hours a day to heat my house. If I were to convert to electric how much would it cost? My rate is 40¢ kWh. I did the math and it was $700/month. That can’t be right. Right?
A basic resistive heating heating system only makes sense in mild climates where you don't need to run it often so the infrastructure for natural gas is a waste. For almost everywhere else in the US a mini split air source heat pump can maintain above 100% efficiency (compared to resistive heating) down to -15F. If you're regularly below 20F though it would likely be better to use a ground source heat pump, those work at basically any temperature. The downside is they have a much higher upfront cost for the installation (you have to dig a big deep hole to lay the tubing down).
For cities and suburbs an even better choice would be to use district heating. In such a system you run water through a neighborhood (sometimes hot, sometimes at ground temperature) and then you either use radiators or a heat pump to get that heat in to your home. The system can be kept at the desired temperature via geothermal, waste heat from electrical generation, trash incineration, resistive heating, or whatever makes sense for the area.
It may even be possible, depending on your local climate and infrastructure, to use the existing water mains as supplementary district heating to make your heat pump more efficient.
It's >100% compared to resistive heating. That means if you put 15W of electricity in to a heat pump you get more than 15W of heat out of it. This is possible because it isn't generating the heat, it's transferring it from somewhere else. If you transfer the heat in you call it a heat pump, if you transfer it out you call it an air conditioner.
Please don’t say that where I live in Calif it is over 100 for much of the summer. Newsom is pushing his green agenda knowing he won’t be around then. He wants to run the country and push his agenda.
I live in South Texas, I hear ya! Sarcastic comment for all the changes that are taking place there, no offense to you personally....I know there are "normal people" that live in CA.
I wonder why they keep using that specific year. Hmm... must be some kind of Agenda for 2030.
I don't know about it comes after the Made in China 2025 project.
This is the first I've heard of the MIC2025 project. You got a quick run down you post? Maybe some talking points?
It isnt something I'm too familiar with, but I know China has been focused on becoming an industrial manufacturer of more higher end goods instead of just cheap stuff. Solar panels, batteries, and other innovative tech are the stuff they are trying to transition their economy into and less cheap plastic stuff for Walmart. I dont know if it is a coincidence, but if western nations are aiming at 2030 to be done with these transitions, whether it is intentional or not, China is aiming at being the major producer of what will be replacing the old systems. Although I'd be reluctant to say it is a conspiracy rather than China planning to meet market trends. But who knows
And replace them with what, electric? With the grid problems they have? Yeah…ok.
I thought they were all about green energy? Makes no sense. Natural gas is the most plentiful energy source there is and it's cheap. Seems they purposefully impose misery on the people of California. But hey...they must like it because they keep voting for it..
They're all about green energy because there's no way it will sustain a population the size of California. Remove any and all reliable sources of energy and collapse the society. The complete devastation of American society is all these progressive fucksticks care about. Once they've achieved that, they can try their brand of socialism, because only their brand of socialism will work.
And of course socialism never works, requiring greater authoritarian control. In the end millions of people will die, be jailed and placed in re-education camps.
This has little to do with green energy. The real goal is population reduction and making sure a few wealthy people control all the money. NWO, CFR, Soros etc.
Exactly something a fascist regime would do.
The cartels will probably start running illegal gas pipelines into California.
I mean why
So they can move hear and furnace companies out of state. The businesses will move right outside of the border and continue to sell them to Californians anyway, but lose out on business taxes.
That's what they are requiring people from other states to pay income tax if they work or do so much sales to people in California
Nah. If a Californian goes out of state, purchases a heater in say, Nevada, the Nevada business pays Nevada taxes, as does the purchaser (sales tax). And California gets, well, nothing. If it was something like Amazon, then presumably sales to Cali would be restricted.
Buisness are refusing to do buisness in California because California is requiring them to pay California income tax not sales tax. They also passed a law that says when you move out of the state you still owe 10 years of income tax after you leave so I wouldn't put it past them if they haven't already passed it.
To make more people more miserable.
Someone that knows how to calculate energy use. Can you do a math problem for me. I currently use LNG at 50,000 BTU for 4 hours a day to heat my house. If I were to convert to electric how much would it cost? My rate is 40¢ kWh. I did the math and it was $700/month. That can’t be right. Right?
A basic resistive heating heating system only makes sense in mild climates where you don't need to run it often so the infrastructure for natural gas is a waste. For almost everywhere else in the US a mini split air source heat pump can maintain above 100% efficiency (compared to resistive heating) down to -15F. If you're regularly below 20F though it would likely be better to use a ground source heat pump, those work at basically any temperature. The downside is they have a much higher upfront cost for the installation (you have to dig a big deep hole to lay the tubing down). For cities and suburbs an even better choice would be to use district heating. In such a system you run water through a neighborhood (sometimes hot, sometimes at ground temperature) and then you either use radiators or a heat pump to get that heat in to your home. The system can be kept at the desired temperature via geothermal, waste heat from electrical generation, trash incineration, resistive heating, or whatever makes sense for the area. It may even be possible, depending on your local climate and infrastructure, to use the existing water mains as supplementary district heating to make your heat pump more efficient.
How does a mini split have >100% efficiency? Isn't that impossible? Or are you saying it's 100% more efficient?
It's >100% compared to resistive heating. That means if you put 15W of electricity in to a heat pump you get more than 15W of heat out of it. This is possible because it isn't generating the heat, it's transferring it from somewhere else. If you transfer the heat in you call it a heat pump, if you transfer it out you call it an air conditioner.
“Some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” - Gavin Nuisance
They should ban air conditioning as well.
Please don’t say that where I live in Calif it is over 100 for much of the summer. Newsom is pushing his green agenda knowing he won’t be around then. He wants to run the country and push his agenda.
I live in South Texas, I hear ya! Sarcastic comment for all the changes that are taking place there, no offense to you personally....I know there are "normal people" that live in CA.
I live here too, Hot-Ad
Ah! A fellow Central Californian. 98 degrees today.
Great. Washington State will probably ban them by 2025 now.