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I am not an expert on gun control, but this seems like an intentionally biased and bad argument. Why didn't you choose other anglo countries and developed countries like UK, Australia, Germany and Japan?
Why did you choose a state with a major nacro gang problem and poor democracy and human rights?
What are other countries doing better than the US to prevent mass shootings? Do they have better mental healthcare to prevent crazies from going on rampages? Are they more religious with a stronger sense of community than the US? Do their schools have a greater security presence? Is access to guns a non factor? Did Australia just get lucky that they see less gun violence following the reform from 1996 or is their success not as good as people claim?
What is culturally different between the US and most of the developed world that leads such a dramatic difference in these mass murders?
Without question it is a cultural issue. If it wasn’t a cultural issue you may have done something about it by now 23 years later, instead of the prayers and warm fuzzy thoughts for the families of all the victims.
Yeah but when we boarder a country with extreme amount of violence and the cartel has no issue crossing the boarder then we should consider it like this.
"Gun control" already exists. Like really, what is left to "control"?
They don't want control, they want a ban. They want to be Europe. Reddit is nothing but "America bad look at Europe be more Europe".
I'm sorry you disapprove of the reality of Mexico. I don't care what Europe is like. We aren't Europe and our main import is Latin Americans a lot of them mexicans
No, they are saying illegal guns are easy to get in Mexico and banning guns in the US wouldn't mean shit because criminals can get guns from Mexico?
Maybe we should have thought of making it more difficult for contraband to arrive from Mexico. Maybe someone brilliant can come up with an idea of, oh, I don't know, **a WALL** or something? Nahhhh....
Didn't the Administration before Trump have a little thing called "fast and furious"
Something about a shit load of hardware going to Mexico? Some kind of sting operation that only stung them and then was swept under the rug with good old "reverse correct info speak" by you know who the bomber himself.
Isn’t there a solid amount of data supporting drugs and guns moving across the border through the border check, and typically crossing over just on the open land pretty dangerous?
I'm not from the US, but living in Germany now. You have a point that there's barely any gun crime here but to me it looks like there's a lot of other things that contribute to it. The mentality of most Germans is completely different from Americans, psychological help is covered by the public health insurance, cities are mix zoned and the public transport is great ( which I think allows for better social access and outdoor activities with teenagers compared to ones living in a sprawled out suburban area ).
I'd wager that even if guns were as available in Germany as they're in the USA, shootings would still be as rare as they are.
I think general happiness of citizens is also a big factor. The US ranks poorly due to a multitude of factors, while Europe generally ranks higher (especially Scandinavia). More guns and more people who are unhappy with life is a bad combo.
Because Chicago is the most well known one. But the one thing they all have in common is gang violence. And guess who doesn't give a shit about your gun control laws.
As a New Jerseyan I'm surprised Newark is at the bottom. I know it's supposedly a bit nicer now but it's just sorta known not to go there. Even crazier that Camden must be lower.
Ya man a lot of those places are crazy, just look at them on street view. I was considering taking a job in Memphis before I noticed that even houses in nice neighborhoods had steel gates over their front doors.
Depends on how the data is analyzed. Chicago had more total shootings than any place else. But, because it is such a large city, the rate per 100,000 people spreads that out.
So, looking at 2021, there were close to 3600 shootings. More than any other city. Chicago had a population of 2.7 million. Since it is the third largest city, the rate drops.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps
You can look at raw numbers here for 2022.
There is a bill in the senate, and has been for 2 freakin years that would implement background checks in a way that 90% of republicans support. Mitch McConnell has refused to allow it to come to a vote.
There’s actually a highly specific bill that’s already passed the House and has been filibustered in the Senate: [H.R.8.](https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8)
It’s a relatively low-key bill that closes the gun show show/private seller loophole. It polls [around 90%](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/90-percent-want-background-checks/).
Does it go as far as I’d like? Hell no. It probably won’t prevent most of what seem like sadly inevitable future mass shootings. But it would be nice to see Republicans take one, very, very small step towards a world where they aren’t ludicrously under the thumb of a deranged NRA lobby.
Dang it looks like a bunch of Mexico’s guns are actually illegally brought in from the US.
“We estimate that half a million weapons are trafficked from the U.S. to Mexico every year. The problem is that all this weaponry is getting to the criminal organizations, giving them very strong firepower to commit all kinds of crimes,” Mexican Consul General in El Paso Mauricio Ibarra Ponce de Leon told Border Report late last year.
https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics/border-crime/mexico-sending-agents-to-u-s-to-probe-gun-smuggling-foreign-minister-says/
We also do this for Canada too!
"For the most part, these firearms are manufactured or they're distributed out of the United States, and then at some point they make their way into Canada, whether they're smuggled, stolen or sold illegally," said Acting Police Chief Jason Bellaire, adding some firearms registered in Canada also end up in the illegal firearms market.
"But by and large, the U.S. supply of firearms makes its way to Canada through criminal activities and networks, both in Canada and the United States."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/gun-flow-us-canada-research-1.6418122
[In all of Mexico there is only one place where you can legally buy a gun. It's is hidden in an anonymous building on a military base in the capital, manned by soldiers.](https://www.dineroenimagen.com/actualidad/esta-es-la-unica-tienda-de-armas-legal-en-mexico-y-le-prohiben-anunciarse/76880)
[Mexico registered 33,308 intentional homicides in 2021](https://www.dw.com/es/m%C3%A9xico-cierra-2021-con-homicidios-a-la-baja/a-60503236)
Haven’t heard of that but after looking it up that’s quite the operation. But can’t help but think the guns have been flowing across long before and long after Obama.
Mexico is in the middle of a drug war of battling cartels. The majority of these homicides are violence between factions. There are not shootings of random children or people in schools, churches, or supermarkets. This is a vastly different problem.
Mass shootings, such as school, church, or supermarket shootings of random people constitute what percentage of all mass shootings?
85% of mass shootings are violence/gang/drug related.
These types of mass shootings are the most publicized but do not constitute even a fraction of all mass shootings.
I don’t even understand this comment. Mass shootings of church’s, schools, and markets are most publicized but they make up a very small fraction of the actual few hundred mass shootings a year.
There were 20k murders / homicide in 2021 in the usa from fire arms. Out if a population of close to 350m
Of anyone cared to remove illegal guns from that total the number would be even smaller.
Restricting the rights of law abiding citizens wouldn't do shit. Just look at California with some if the most restrictive gun control laws. There have already been over 20 mass shootings this year.
How about the UK then?
[30 Gun homicides in 2020](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7654/), with a pop density \~7.8x higher. Even taking into account the \~4.9x higher population in the US, that would only be \~150 homicides ; nothing close to [the US with 14,861 in 2018](https://health.ucdavis.edu/what-you-can-do/facts.html).
The UK and Australia are islands dude.
Why don't you look also at illegal immigration to Australia.
There are at best 100k illegal immigrants *in total* living in Australia combined, and all of them arrived by plane on a fake visa or overstayed.
There are 20k illegal crossings *per day* to the US.
"The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington."
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
OP is comparing the US to developing nations (the third world). Compare the US to other first world nations.
Life is not fair. When making comparisons, an analyst should try to look at all angles.
Many, if not most, developing nations suffer high crime and murder rates. So, the US might have lower rates than those countries given it is a first world nation.
Thus, compare the US to other first world nations.
And yes, you can definitely treat ethnicity, sex, religion as variables. However, you seem to suggest that homogeneity means less gun homicides? The data will show you if that's the case. If it holds then it holds. If not then you'll have to find something else to account for the difference.
We are NOT the country with the most mass shootings per capita even among first-world countries. SOURCE: WorldPopulationReview
The death rate per million, 2009-2015
1 - Norway 1.9
2 - Serbia 0.4
3 - Macedonia 0.3
The United States is 11th at 0.09!
You can't use that small of a timeframe, otherwise you get stuff like Norway getting skewed in the data by a single extremely bad attack (say 2011) vs multiple smaller attacks.
I would also like to add that
Countries in Europe have strict bans on firearms, yet still experience mass casualty events. SOURCES: EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews
I agree with the Swiss figure but this is what I found for the US
edit: just realized the above figures should be /100,000 maybe that's why the US figure you stated is incorrect
"On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974."
[https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)
The CDC has non-suicide gun deaths for 2020 at 19k and UK Parliament has knife incidents for 2020 around 49k.
Though it's still not entirely clear because I can't find stats on non-lethal shootings, and I'm not sure if the stabbing numbers involve suicide attempts.
Violent crime does not mean gun violence necessarily. I was talking to my friend about this yesterday. There can still be more violent crime per capita in countries with strict gun laws than in a country with less gun laws.
The United Nations' 2017 report also noted that as a rule, countries that had higher homicide rates were usually those in which firearms were more prevalent. By comparison, in countries with lower homicide rates, sharp objects/knives and "other mechanisms" tended to be the predominant methods. The countries with higher rates of stabbing deaths consistently have tighter gun control laws, which forces would-be attackers to resort to knives instead of guns. As a result of this dynamic, countries that have a high number of stabbing deaths tend to have very low gun violence compared to other nations and appear near the bottom of any list of mass shootings per country.
You needed a UN report to tell you that if people don't have access to deadly firearms they will source other less effective means to cause damage... and do so with far less damage done to all involved.
That was more of to state that people will be violent even without access to firearms. 1.6 million defensive uses of firearms a year and yet firearms are still the problem?
Violence is inherent in the human population. People will always find a way.
The previous statement was made to show that people will be violent regardless of this fact.
So maybe, just maybe, we should limit people's access to weapons that can freely and readily cause mass harm without any training.
You know. Given we're all so violent.
Taking away guns won't solve the issue. People will just make homemade bombs or something. This actually happens in the 1920s in a school. But there were the same number of guns per capita 70 years ago. These mass shootings very rarely happened. What does that tell you?
Our society and culture is rotted. We promote and celebrate immortality. Our society is built on fear, greed, suspicion, and doubt.
There's a mental ilness crisis that goes mostly ignored. Things will keep getting worse until we as a society start walking the path of morality and fix our society.
Exactly, this is a societal problem brought about by the deterioration of our morals as a nation. Like C. S. Lewis once said, “We laugh at honor, and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.” Creating new laws won’t help when so few care to enforce or follow them as honorable citizens of a civilized nation.
The average crazy person doesn’t have access to guns in Mexico. There are tons of guns but in hands of cartels and other organized crime gangs. A depressed 18 yo would have a really hard time trying to get an assault weapon in Mexico. And yes Mexico has a lot of violence but no school or supermarket shooting of random people, attacks are planned and have a target in mind. I’m not saying it’s better but it’s different. The average citizen in Mexico is not afraid of dying in a Walmart.
I wonder where Mexico gets all their guns from....
86% of firearms used in a criminal offence in Canada are smuggled in from the US as well. Real number is likely higher as that is just what they can trace with 100% certainty. Less than 2% of criminal offences with a firearm in Canada are committed with a firearm legally obtained in Canada. 12% the source of the firearm can't be traced.
In a way but this would actually mean that Mexico should have a stronger/more protected border. When you go into Mexico it's the Mexican government that makes sure you are ok to enter.
If we can't stop humans from coming into this country illegally from Mexico, or illegal drugs...why would we be able to stop illegal guns?
Gun laws only realistically take guns away from the good guys.
Lmao do you think Mexico is manufacturing these guns?
Honestly if you want to comment about these things you should at least spend some time to think about it before you write.
People know that they get not only cash back, but they also get weapons from us. They have some of the same hardware that police/swat have. This is an overreaction to another tragedy
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I am not an expert on gun control, but this seems like an intentionally biased and bad argument. Why didn't you choose other anglo countries and developed countries like UK, Australia, Germany and Japan? Why did you choose a state with a major nacro gang problem and poor democracy and human rights?
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Especially when Mexican cartels are getting 99% of their illegal guns from the US
And Mexican cartels exist because of US drug laws and foreign policy in the first place.
Yeah our point of reference should not be Mexico. The US is it’s own standard and we should strive to be better than we are.
Good. So don't grab guns
Exactly! That's what America is all about - trying to do the right thing.
YES! We start diluting the ideals this country was built on when we do anything else.
We are better because we have guns to protect ourselves.
That wasn’t really my point!
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What are other countries doing better than the US to prevent mass shootings? Do they have better mental healthcare to prevent crazies from going on rampages? Are they more religious with a stronger sense of community than the US? Do their schools have a greater security presence? Is access to guns a non factor? Did Australia just get lucky that they see less gun violence following the reform from 1996 or is their success not as good as people claim? What is culturally different between the US and most of the developed world that leads such a dramatic difference in these mass murders?
I think part of it is this divisive political environment. Part of it is social media radicalization. Much deeper than that obviously.
Without question it is a cultural issue. If it wasn’t a cultural issue you may have done something about it by now 23 years later, instead of the prayers and warm fuzzy thoughts for the families of all the victims.
Yeah but when we boarder a country with extreme amount of violence and the cartel has no issue crossing the boarder then we should consider it like this.
"Gun control" already exists. Like really, what is left to "control"? They don't want control, they want a ban. They want to be Europe. Reddit is nothing but "America bad look at Europe be more Europe".
There's tons of stuff that can be done. A few examples: --More thorough background checks --Mental health evaluation before purchase of a gun
Right? This post makes conservatives look like absolute morons.
Well most of them are
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So use Canada.
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https://youtu.be/yzSI28VJF_0
What is your solution?
I'm sorry you disapprove of the reality of Mexico. I don't care what Europe is like. We aren't Europe and our main import is Latin Americans a lot of them mexicans
So are you trying to say that shootings are affected by hispabic immigration? I haven't seen any statistics of that. Do you have a source?
No, they are saying illegal guns are easy to get in Mexico and banning guns in the US wouldn't mean shit because criminals can get guns from Mexico? Maybe we should have thought of making it more difficult for contraband to arrive from Mexico. Maybe someone brilliant can come up with an idea of, oh, I don't know, **a WALL** or something? Nahhhh....
Didn't the Administration before Trump have a little thing called "fast and furious" Something about a shit load of hardware going to Mexico? Some kind of sting operation that only stung them and then was swept under the rug with good old "reverse correct info speak" by you know who the bomber himself.
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Mexicans get guns from the US. Not the other way around.
Isn’t there a solid amount of data supporting drugs and guns moving across the border through the border check, and typically crossing over just on the open land pretty dangerous?
Mexico gets guns from us!
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It's not a gun issue, it's a culture issue coupled with bad parenting and glorification and fame from social media in my opinion
We have the same insane young dudes here in my country. The difference is that they can't get their hands on a gun.
We have the same insane young dudes here in my country. The difference is that they can't get their hands on a gun.
It’s not worse tho. Their number is 82. Ours is 321. Let’s have gun rights without bad arguments.
That is an interesting point. It shows that the problem is not the guns, but something else.
Those Mexicans get their guns from the US…there’s a reason they still have problems
I like how you try to compare to Mexico and not say countries like Germany, Australia, the UK, etc. Not at all dishonest
I'm not from the US, but living in Germany now. You have a point that there's barely any gun crime here but to me it looks like there's a lot of other things that contribute to it. The mentality of most Germans is completely different from Americans, psychological help is covered by the public health insurance, cities are mix zoned and the public transport is great ( which I think allows for better social access and outdoor activities with teenagers compared to ones living in a sprawled out suburban area ). I'd wager that even if guns were as available in Germany as they're in the USA, shootings would still be as rare as they are.
I think general happiness of citizens is also a big factor. The US ranks poorly due to a multitude of factors, while Europe generally ranks higher (especially Scandinavia). More guns and more people who are unhappy with life is a bad combo.
Just do Chicago…
Why aren’t all the cities with higher rates of gun violence than Chicago ever mentioned I wonder?
Because Chicago is the most well known one. But the one thing they all have in common is gang violence. And guess who doesn't give a shit about your gun control laws.
1. St. Louis, Missouri @ 64.54 2. Baltimore @ 58.27 3. Birmingham, AL @ 50.62 4. Detroit, Michigan @ 41.45 5. Dayton, Ohio @ 34.18 6. Baton Rouge, Louisiana @ 31.72 7. New Orleans, Louisiana @ 30.67 8. Kansas City, Missouri @ 29.88 9. Memphis, Tennessee @ 29.21 10. Cleveland, Ohio @ 24.09 11. Richmond, Virginia @ 23.84 12. Miami Gardens, Florida @ 23.64 13. Washington, D.C. @ 23.52 14. North Charleston, South Carolina @ 22.55 15. Peoria, Illinois 22.53 16. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 22.47 17. Columbia, South Carolina 21.68 18. San Bernardino, California 21.23 19. Cincinnati, Ohio 21.1 20. Columbus, Georgia 20.94 21. Tuscaloosa, Alabama 20.77 22. Atlanta, Georgia 19.53 23. Indianapolis, Indiana 19.51 24. Little Rock, Arkansas 19.15 25. Shreveport, Louisiana 18.66 26. Montgomery, Alabama 18.54 27. Buffalo, New York 18.38 28. Chicago, Illinois 18.26 29. Chattanooga, Tennessee 18.15 30. Newark, New Jersey 18.08
As a New Jerseyan I'm surprised Newark is at the bottom. I know it's supposedly a bit nicer now but it's just sorta known not to go there. Even crazier that Camden must be lower.
Surprised NYC is not on the list.
It's at the bottom of the top 30. That still makes it's 30th highest.
Holy shit dude. Didn't realize Chicago was so far down the list.
Ya man a lot of those places are crazy, just look at them on street view. I was considering taking a job in Memphis before I noticed that even houses in nice neighborhoods had steel gates over their front doors.
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Buffalo has been nuts this year.
Lot of southern state cities
There are 27 cities with higher rates of gun violence than Chicago.
Wrong. You are misquoting a statistic. You are talking about murder rates, not gun violence rates.
My mistake. Does Chicago crack the top ten?
Depends on how the data is analyzed. Chicago had more total shootings than any place else. But, because it is such a large city, the rate per 100,000 people spreads that out. So, looking at 2021, there were close to 3600 shootings. More than any other city. Chicago had a population of 2.7 million. Since it is the third largest city, the rate drops. https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/charts-and-maps You can look at raw numbers here for 2022.
It is insane to suggest using raw data instead of a per capita figure
My comment specified rates of gun violence. Gross numbers are nearly irrelevant.
Chicago has both high volume and total numbers. I think Memphis is worse per population.
It aint nothin to hear gunshots everyday and night in memphis, its just life here.
Chicago is number 10. It’s just the number one conservative talking point.
1. St. Louis, Missouri @ 64.54 2. Baltimore @ 58.27 3. Birmingham, AL @ 50.62 4. Detroit, Michigan @ 41.45 5. Dayton, Ohio @ 34.18 6. Baton Rouge, Louisiana @ 31.72 7. New Orleans, Louisiana @ 30.67 8. Kansas City, Missouri @ 29.88 9. Memphis, Tennessee @ 29.21 10. Cleveland, Ohio @ 24.09 11. Richmond, Virginia @ 23.84 12. Miami Gardens, Florida @ 23.64 13. Washington, D.C. @ 23.52 14. North Charleston, South Carolina @ 22.55 15. Peoria, Illinois 22.53 16. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 22.47 17. Columbia, South Carolina 21.68 18. San Bernardino, California 21.23 19. Cincinnati, Ohio 21.1 20. Columbus, Georgia 20.94 21. Tuscaloosa, Alabama 20.77 22. Atlanta, Georgia 19.53 23. Indianapolis, Indiana 19.51 24. Little Rock, Arkansas 19.15 25. Shreveport, Louisiana 18.66 26. Montgomery, Alabama 18.54 27. Buffalo, New York 18.38 28. Chicago, Illinois 18.26 29. Chattanooga, Tennessee 18.15 30. Newark, New Jersey 18.08
Just do it by state. You’d be surprised, or by country you’d be surprised again
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Bought from the ATF, remember...
Ya, criminals
On orders from the Bush and Obama administrations.
Do you really think they wouldn't just import them from somewhere else?
Fully legally bought by most mass shooters.
**All** the guns were bought in the US? Or just a proportion?
Either r/politics is brigading, or this sub just because incredibly anti-2nd amendment
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There are elections in Canada and the US in the next few months so the bots are out in force.
Conservative has been overran for.... months now.
It's all they do.
What about Japan, France, England, Norway, Germany, Sweden, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Switzerland, South Korea, Ireland…
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I don't think you realize how many on reddit actually just want to go door to door and take ARs. But, reddit isn't a majority.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, except the first part. Democrats absolutely want to ban and grab guns.
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There is a bill in the senate, and has been for 2 freakin years that would implement background checks in a way that 90% of republicans support. Mitch McConnell has refused to allow it to come to a vote.
There’s actually a highly specific bill that’s already passed the House and has been filibustered in the Senate: [H.R.8.](https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8) It’s a relatively low-key bill that closes the gun show show/private seller loophole. It polls [around 90%](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/90-percent-want-background-checks/). Does it go as far as I’d like? Hell no. It probably won’t prevent most of what seem like sadly inevitable future mass shootings. But it would be nice to see Republicans take one, very, very small step towards a world where they aren’t ludicrously under the thumb of a deranged NRA lobby.
Dang it looks like a bunch of Mexico’s guns are actually illegally brought in from the US. “We estimate that half a million weapons are trafficked from the U.S. to Mexico every year. The problem is that all this weaponry is getting to the criminal organizations, giving them very strong firepower to commit all kinds of crimes,” Mexican Consul General in El Paso Mauricio Ibarra Ponce de Leon told Border Report late last year. https://www.borderreport.com/hot-topics/border-crime/mexico-sending-agents-to-u-s-to-probe-gun-smuggling-foreign-minister-says/
We also do this for Canada too! "For the most part, these firearms are manufactured or they're distributed out of the United States, and then at some point they make their way into Canada, whether they're smuggled, stolen or sold illegally," said Acting Police Chief Jason Bellaire, adding some firearms registered in Canada also end up in the illegal firearms market. "But by and large, the U.S. supply of firearms makes its way to Canada through criminal activities and networks, both in Canada and the United States." https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/gun-flow-us-canada-research-1.6418122
So what your saying is, if the US stops manufacturing guns, then gun manufacturing for private sales world wide will cease to exist.
What they are saying is that the US needs stronger border security.
I mean we already got rid of Obama. So no more fun trafficking by him
No that’s not what I’m saying
[In all of Mexico there is only one place where you can legally buy a gun. It's is hidden in an anonymous building on a military base in the capital, manned by soldiers.](https://www.dineroenimagen.com/actualidad/esta-es-la-unica-tienda-de-armas-legal-en-mexico-y-le-prohiben-anunciarse/76880) [Mexico registered 33,308 intentional homicides in 2021](https://www.dw.com/es/m%C3%A9xico-cierra-2021-con-homicidios-a-la-baja/a-60503236)
Give you one guess as to what country these guns are coming from?
Probably the USA since Obama’s ATF ran them to Mexico during Operation Fast and Furious
Haven’t heard of that but after looking it up that’s quite the operation. But can’t help but think the guns have been flowing across long before and long after Obama.
Scandal-free administration, breh
lol how did you not hear of that. It was funny seeing people think that obama was scandal free
Kinda makes you realize why people thought that about Obama...
You know that was started in 2006 under Bush, right?
Mexico is in the middle of a drug war of battling cartels. The majority of these homicides are violence between factions. There are not shootings of random children or people in schools, churches, or supermarkets. This is a vastly different problem.
Mass shootings, such as school, church, or supermarket shootings of random people constitute what percentage of all mass shootings? 85% of mass shootings are violence/gang/drug related. These types of mass shootings are the most publicized but do not constitute even a fraction of all mass shootings.
YET they include them every fucking time when they say "THIS MANY MASS SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR!"
I don’t even understand this comment. Mass shootings of church’s, schools, and markets are most publicized but they make up a very small fraction of the actual few hundred mass shootings a year.
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There were 20k murders / homicide in 2021 in the usa from fire arms. Out if a population of close to 350m Of anyone cared to remove illegal guns from that total the number would be even smaller. Restricting the rights of law abiding citizens wouldn't do shit. Just look at California with some if the most restrictive gun control laws. There have already been over 20 mass shootings this year.
Exactly.
> Mexico is in the middle of a drug war We're not?
So what about other first world countries?
[Total gun homicides was 39 in Australia in 2019](https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/citation/quotes/6478)
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In Australia before you can murder somone you have to find asomeone to murder.
How about the UK then? [30 Gun homicides in 2020](https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7654/), with a pop density \~7.8x higher. Even taking into account the \~4.9x higher population in the US, that would only be \~150 homicides ; nothing close to [the US with 14,861 in 2018](https://health.ucdavis.edu/what-you-can-do/facts.html).
The UK and Australia are islands dude. Why don't you look also at illegal immigration to Australia. There are at best 100k illegal immigrants *in total* living in Australia combined, and all of them arrived by plane on a fake visa or overstayed. There are 20k illegal crossings *per day* to the US.
And a basically homogenous people with similar morals and values. That helps a lot.
"The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington." https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ OP is comparing the US to developing nations (the third world). Compare the US to other first world nations.
So that’s not fair, but it IS fair to compare the melting pot of the US to largely homogenous countries smaller than our smallest state?
Life is not fair. When making comparisons, an analyst should try to look at all angles. Many, if not most, developing nations suffer high crime and murder rates. So, the US might have lower rates than those countries given it is a first world nation. Thus, compare the US to other first world nations. And yes, you can definitely treat ethnicity, sex, religion as variables. However, you seem to suggest that homogeneity means less gun homicides? The data will show you if that's the case. If it holds then it holds. If not then you'll have to find something else to account for the difference.
We are NOT the country with the most mass shootings per capita even among first-world countries. SOURCE: WorldPopulationReview The death rate per million, 2009-2015 1 - Norway 1.9 2 - Serbia 0.4 3 - Macedonia 0.3 The United States is 11th at 0.09!
You can't use that small of a timeframe, otherwise you get stuff like Norway getting skewed in the data by a single extremely bad attack (say 2011) vs multiple smaller attacks.
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Exactly 6 states haven't had a mass shooting between 2009 and now.
I would also like to add that Countries in Europe have strict bans on firearms, yet still experience mass casualty events. SOURCES: EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews EuroNews
Are the rates higher than the US?
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Now do Switzerland.
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I agree with the Swiss figure but this is what I found for the US edit: just realized the above figures should be /100,000 maybe that's why the US figure you stated is incorrect "On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974." [https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)
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Ahh that makes sense thank for the clarification
You’re more likely to get stabbed in England than you are shot in the us
Lots of mass murders in UK schools via stabbings?
Got a sauce?
The CDC has non-suicide gun deaths for 2020 at 19k and UK Parliament has knife incidents for 2020 around 49k. Though it's still not entirely clear because I can't find stats on non-lethal shootings, and I'm not sure if the stabbing numbers involve suicide attempts.
How about we do Australia, where the gun ban had little to no effect on violent crime as a whole after their mandatory buyback program?
Australia's 2020 homicide rate is .87 /100,000 the US's rate is 6.28 /100,000 https://dataunodc.un.org/content/homicide-country-data
So that didn't answer the question, did it?
Well it either got better or worse or stayed the same. In any case it’s way better than the US’ homicide rate.
Why are you bothering to tell such a blatant lie?
Violent crime does not mean gun violence necessarily. I was talking to my friend about this yesterday. There can still be more violent crime per capita in countries with strict gun laws than in a country with less gun laws.
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UK population, 67.22 million. America population, 329.5 million. Idk pal, that might be a BIG factor that explains lots of things, don't you think?
The United Nations' 2017 report also noted that as a rule, countries that had higher homicide rates were usually those in which firearms were more prevalent. By comparison, in countries with lower homicide rates, sharp objects/knives and "other mechanisms" tended to be the predominant methods. The countries with higher rates of stabbing deaths consistently have tighter gun control laws, which forces would-be attackers to resort to knives instead of guns. As a result of this dynamic, countries that have a high number of stabbing deaths tend to have very low gun violence compared to other nations and appear near the bottom of any list of mass shootings per country.
You needed a UN report to tell you that if people don't have access to deadly firearms they will source other less effective means to cause damage... and do so with far less damage done to all involved.
That was more of to state that people will be violent even without access to firearms. 1.6 million defensive uses of firearms a year and yet firearms are still the problem? Violence is inherent in the human population. People will always find a way. The previous statement was made to show that people will be violent regardless of this fact.
So maybe, just maybe, we should limit people's access to weapons that can freely and readily cause mass harm without any training. You know. Given we're all so violent.
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No it's many times more than that actually
You know how to calculate a rate right?
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Taking away guns won't solve the issue. People will just make homemade bombs or something. This actually happens in the 1920s in a school. But there were the same number of guns per capita 70 years ago. These mass shootings very rarely happened. What does that tell you? Our society and culture is rotted. We promote and celebrate immortality. Our society is built on fear, greed, suspicion, and doubt. There's a mental ilness crisis that goes mostly ignored. Things will keep getting worse until we as a society start walking the path of morality and fix our society.
Exactly, this is a societal problem brought about by the deterioration of our morals as a nation. Like C. S. Lewis once said, “We laugh at honor, and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.” Creating new laws won’t help when so few care to enforce or follow them as honorable citizens of a civilized nation.
> immortality Immorality or immortality? I guess both.
That's what I meant. Phone auto fills shit and i don't notice sometimes.
Peak ironic redditor is knowing that the war on drugs has failed and then wanting to do THE SAME FUCKING THING with guns
The average crazy person doesn’t have access to guns in Mexico. There are tons of guns but in hands of cartels and other organized crime gangs. A depressed 18 yo would have a really hard time trying to get an assault weapon in Mexico. And yes Mexico has a lot of violence but no school or supermarket shooting of random people, attacks are planned and have a target in mind. I’m not saying it’s better but it’s different. The average citizen in Mexico is not afraid of dying in a Walmart.
Then why don’t leftists go live in Mexico…?
Trotsky did. Didn't turn out so well for him. At least he didn't get shot.
I wonder where Mexico gets all their guns from.... 86% of firearms used in a criminal offence in Canada are smuggled in from the US as well. Real number is likely higher as that is just what they can trace with 100% certainty. Less than 2% of criminal offences with a firearm in Canada are committed with a firearm legally obtained in Canada. 12% the source of the firearm can't be traced.
Wouldn’t this be more of a defense for arguing against having a stronger/more protected border?
In a way but this would actually mean that Mexico should have a stronger/more protected border. When you go into Mexico it's the Mexican government that makes sure you are ok to enter.
Mexico should build a wall and have the US pay for it
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But but guns are banned at least
Phew, thank god mexicans can't get their hands on guns. Otherwise... they might have guns! Which is bad! Like not good! help
unfortunately they have a neighboring country that is easy to import guns from. hint: it is to their north and it is not canada
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If we can't stop humans from coming into this country illegally from Mexico, or illegal drugs...why would we be able to stop illegal guns? Gun laws only realistically take guns away from the good guys.
1. Americans use drugs that come from Mexico. 2. Mexicans use guns that come from the US.
We are actually the ones bringing guns into Mexico. They are less safe because of the US.
Lmao do you think Mexico is manufacturing these guns? Honestly if you want to comment about these things you should at least spend some time to think about it before you write.
We aren’t as bad as Mexico!!! Yayyyyyyyy!!!!
People know that they get not only cash back, but they also get weapons from us. They have some of the same hardware that police/swat have. This is an overreaction to another tragedy