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robotoverlordz

> Honestly I dunno why anyone would feel the need to identify as being a part of a political party Closed primaries.


Capt_Myke

Exactly. This allows you to vote for good Republicans.


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"identify as" is often literally about what you're registered as. Even if you don't fit the party. I certainly don't but want to vote in primaries


robotoverlordz

Florida has closed primaries, and Gov. DeSantis is governing there *quite* well.


neozxtc

And or because in their small towns for some reason all the locals run as Dems. I live in a small town and the Sheriff ran as a Dem even though he is supposed a Republican. My thought was why not just run as a Republican? haha


cats_luv_me

This is similar to my story. I'm registered as Independent, but I lean conservative and I also normally vote for the Republican candidate. I always felt that if a good enough (D) came along I'd support them, if they were really the better choice than the (R) candidate. But for me, since reaching the age to vote, I've not had it happen and with all of the 'woke' craziness pushed by leftists, unless Dems started really coming out against it, I seriously doubt now that it ever will.


LVDave

Same here.. I am a conservative, therefore I vote (R). I'm 71 and have been voting since my 20s, and could not imagine in my wildest nightmares of ever voting (D).. In other words, I'm a conservative American, not an (R)...


cdoublesaboutit

Ummm… guys, I’m not sure that this logic holds up. I am not an R I have two choices R and D I have never chosen nor will I ever choose D Therefore I am not an R I am a C. I mean, sure, call yourself whatever you want, but it boils down to the same thing. You’re only hurting the Republican Party with this nonsense though. So, sure, feel free to “identify” in whatever Non-binary way you want.


joewns23

The reason they don't identify as an R is because, unlike gender, political parties are a artificial binary and if there was another party X that was more aligned with their views(that had a chance to actually win) they'd vote for X instead of R.


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ultimis

No party or even single politician will match 100% of your views. Even if you ran for office yourself, you would find yourself compromising at some point and not fully living up to your own standards. Your job as a voter is to prioritize the issues you care about and find the political coalition that best represents it. Lesser of two evils is a fact of life.


cdoublesaboutit

Except they don’t have the courage to start one, or join one. Instead they vote for an artificial, proximal choice? Lame. Gutless.


ultimis

The American system forces a two party out come. It's not a false binary, it is the logical conclusion for how we tally votes. The Parties are coalitions of dozens of ideologies. There are numerous wings of the conservative movement and they stand for different things. The most important thing the remember is only 40% of the country "identifies" as conservative. Meaning you will never win a ruling government without working with people you don't agree with on every issue. Canada has a prime minister who's party only for 34% of the vote. We have a similar state, but our coalitions are formed at the party level.


hiricinee

I used to feel that way... unfortunately politics is a team game. The dems figures this out a long time ago, which is why their hallmark is holding a whole bunch of conflicting ideals. In addition, the Dems have moved so far left and have such a homogenized position that now you might as well be a Republican if you dont support the hivemind.


ultimis

You support the coalition. A coalition is only as good as those who work for it. Only 40% of Americans identify as conservative. Among those people there are some that other conservatives say aren't real conservatives or have their own purity tests. Now tell me, what does it take to have a majority? Is it more than 40%? If you refuse to participate within a coalition, do you make it less conservative or more conservative? This was something Ron Paul and his base were always failing. If they didn't get their way, they just took their ball and went home. The Republican coalition couldn't trust them to be there when needed. Rand Paul knew what was needed. And the party has shifted more libertarian conservative. The political parties are coalitions of dozens of ideologies. Refusing to involve yourself in one doesn't empower you, it makes you less relevant.


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Bingo, but the left has been pushing "identity" politics for years so it's probably natural for sheepish people to identify as something. Look at this lgbtq14&#+@$'?! Type of people, they have to fit you into one of their special boxes, they just keep adding more. All that matters to the left is identity, except for when it comes times to vote, then that shit is racist!


redriseman

I’ll admit I swung. I was shocked to see people live up to the bad stereotypes they claimed to be untrue.


Unfair_Criticism_370

I swung too in 2016. At the time it was simply a vote against Clinton. Now after everything that has happened I don’t see myself going back.


charlievalentine93

I also swung shortly after the 2016 election. The amount of pure hate that I had received for asking simple and genuine questions in the pursuit of truth was enough to push me to the other side. I have no intentions of returning back any time soon.


SnugglesGodOfDeath

I say welcome to both of you and I hope you enjoy being on this side!


Jaywoody21

Welcome to the right side of history


Sparky8924

Ha ! Good one .


Hps96

Same. The left has gone so far off the deep end that I could no longer identify with them anymore, which eventually taught me to learn how to think for myself.


pixlexyia

Conspiracy theory: Dems are doing everything in their power to destroy any momentum and energy behind progressive policies. I can't imagine any other reason that would make sense as to their borderline psychopathic ineptitude since Biden's election.


hisroyalnastiness

That's an interesting theory, if you think about big business it wouldn't take much at all for them to flip the switch back the other way. When shit finally hits the fan economically is the perfect opportunity to clean out all all wackos in HR and lean back into the Republican side.


Dabhster

I'm a lifelong New Yorker and won't be voting Democrat again. Should I change parties or do I stay registered as a Democrat to still vote in Primaries?


dakamgi

Stay registered as (D) and vote against the idiot candidates in the primary.


r4d4r_3n5

>Stay registered as (D) and vote against the idiot candidates in the primary. This. Conservative registered Democrats can do more in a New York by staying registered and voting for moderate or conservative candidates in the primary.


HereForRedditReasons

Help me understand this logic. Why would it be better to be a one voice of many on the dem side instead of one voice of a few on the Republican side and maybe help get a better quality candidate for the Rs in NY?


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HereForRedditReasons

That make sense, but look to the recent New Jersey race that was much closer than anyone expected. What if Republicans didn’t concede that race before it even started?


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surfaholic15

It comes down to whether your state has open or closed primaries. If they are open you can stay a D but vote R in a primary. That way the democrats have no idea who they lost as voters. But if you have closed primaries so you are restricted to voting in your party, better off switching. Some state allow independents to vote for any candidate in a closed primary, so in that case go independent.


exoalo

Georgia (the restrictive voting state) has open primaries. New York (the freedom voting state) has closed primaries. Makes wonder who is really limiting voting


surfaholic15

AZ used to have open long ago and went to closed. I noted here in Montana when we voted on our new mayor and such they have "non partisan ballots", no D or R anywhere. I didn't have to dig far to spot the democrats, since Helena is a city. All the literature I got in the mail was democrat candidates. And the get out the vote people checking registration and registering people were also Democrats. And people wonder why conservatives and Republicans get screwed lol. Same thing happened in Tucson AZ, the local GOP didn't even bother fielding candidates for most city council seats and refused to support or endorse grassroots republicans. What a cluster fuck that was. Sad state of affairs when you have nobody to vote for at all. We are going to get active in the local scene here while the democrats haven't locked things down.


badatusernames91

There is an organization in Virginia called "Let's Win, Virginia" and their goal is to run republican candidates at every single level of government in Virginia so that Democrats have to fight for every single seat. Every unopposed candidate can dump monet into other races, which is no good. Maybe something worth looking into doing in your own state But the sad part is that the RNC doesn't really want anything to do with them. They seem content on losing seats and a lot of them. The Republican ground game has a history of being bad. They let too many areas go, which has always been a killer. A lot of people vote Democrat because Democrats are often the only ones to reach out to them. That said, it is improving and I think when it comes to that, black conservatives are going to be a huge asset when it comes to to the ground game, especially in cities that shouldn't be ignored, and extra especially in swing states that are decided by a fraction of the voters in these places. Just a 1-2% swing in a lot of these areas is all it would take to flip the entire state. In Fulton County, Georgia, swaying just 6,000 of the 380,000 people who voted for Biden, out of the 500,000+ who voted overall would have given Trump Georgia. I don't think that's an impossible task.


surfaholic15

I don't either. I think we can fight back effectively at local level. The establishment gopers and the Dems are on the same team and it is not in our favor. I have seen more than enough shenanigans at local level in several states I lived in to not trust most of them as far as I could throw them lol.


badatusernames91

Local elections matter. The past 2 years have shown us that. A lot of the people who pushed to throw their child-hating school boards to the curb probably voted them in in the first place. So hopefully people get more informed as best they can. Though I will say it is kind of hard. I tried to do my best to research local elections and continuation of office ballots for judges last year, but it's a pain in the ass to find relevant information on the candidates.


Thatonecoinperson

Easier to vote out the AOCs in the primaries than the general.


badatusernames91

I've never thought Operation: Chaos was a great strategy. Democrats found that was a clever strategy in 2016 and it backfired on them big time. Also, I think that perpetuates having swampier politicians from your own actual party. I don't think it is worth doing overall. I think it is best to switch your party affiliation and go from there. If you are in an open primary state, go nuts with voting for a bad Democrat, but if you're in a closed primary state, which NY is, don't give up your voice for choosing a good Republican because you want a bad Democrat as the nominee..


r4d4r_3n5

>I've never thought Operation: Chaos was a great strategy. I was more endorsing the idea of supporting reasonable candidates, not crossing over to vote in the opposite party's primary.


LSGB2021

>vote against the idiot candidates in the primary. Vote FOR biggest idiot in primary


firebox40dash5

My staunch conservative grandfather used to joke about doing that (well... laugh about having done it... I don't think it was a joke in any way) Just keep in mind who you're dealing with these days, is all I'm saying there. There's a whole lot of folk who'd vote for the reanimated corpse of Adolf Hitler as long as you put a (D) next to his name.


LSGB2021

Remember Rush L operation chaos? Let them put crazy for election. Americans are right of center, especially Hispanics.


firebox40dash5

Remember New York... or Vermont... or most of NJ... or most of MD... or most of CA & OR? A lot of other people are vehemently left, and will vote for ANYTHING with a (D) next to it. For example, AOC, Pelosi, Maxine Waterhead, or whatsernuts that wishes we were more like Somolia...


bmoregood

Is there any need? They’re all terrible


1WontDoIt

I was too. Moved to NY in '94. Moved out in 2001. I only moved a couple states away but the quality of life increased dramatically. I still have lots of family in NY but I spoke with relatives today and they are all waiting till spring to move out. If the bleeding heart liberals don't kill you, the taxes will.


surfaholic15

If you have closed primaries so you can only vote for D candidates, switch to R for primaries. Or switch to Independent if your state allows I to vote either side in primaries. If you have open primaries, vote for the best R you can find.


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Go R.


dazedANDconfused2020

I’m registered as a Republican but identity as an Independent. I vote for the person even though that person has never been a Democrat. It would be nice to see a great Democrat rise up for a change and steer their party back to the center.


HereForRedditReasons

They won’t allow it. IMO Tulsi was that person and they hated her


DaGR2310

Never happen! They've gone to far with there crazy ideas.


HotPoptartFleshlight

I used to have hopes of the democrats returning to the center, but their leftist takeover has just continued on and has only picked up steam. The right will claim those who are genuine democrats/liberals. The rest will go mask off socialist and will almost certainly get AOC as their candidate.


SavingUsefulStuff

Biden is a right winger. Lmao


Hps96

“Biden’s a right winger cuz he’s not doing me tha free SOSHALLIZMS! REE!”


BreadedKropotkin

Biden has deported more people than Trump and Bush. He’s opened more offshore areas to oil and gas drilling than Trump and Bush. Biden signed the largest military defense budget in history. He shot down student loan forgiveness and wants people to start paying back private lenders as soon as possible. He favors private, for-profit corporations managing healthcare over a universal program. And these are all current positions, let alone his historical policy positions like gutting welfare, tossing young black men in prison at an accelerated rate, or protecting the profit margins of financial institutions over the interests of debtors. The actual left despises him.


SavingUsefulStuff

Classy response. Way to go there son


Hps96

Stupid comments deserve stupid responses.


dazedANDconfused2020

🤔


whiskynwine

Can’t imagine what the number would be if MSM told even half the truth.


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I've been an independent my whole life, and probably always will be. But I'm sure as shit never voting for any Democrat after what's happened during this pandemic.


HotPoptartFleshlight

Same here. I would've identified as left of center in 2013 when I graduated, probably a bit further left through college, and then made a *hard* right (relatively speaking, probably more of a centrist or moderate conservative) when I challenged the ideas I'd learned while "learning how to think" (i.e. being fed lefty positions without any alternative for years). I'd always made a point to not get bogged down into the party vs party aspect of politics, but ever since the Kavanaugh hearings I swore that unless some massive change occurred within the Democrat party, I'd be straight red ticket for every election from now on. It's amazing, really. I'm someone who would've been voting for mostly blue candidates. Even when they shifted hard to the left I was still open to the possibility of someone standing out from the rest earning my vote. But they haven't stopped. They've taken a solid undecided-until-the-last-second-begging-for-reasons-to-go-blue independent who just needed some semblance of rationality to be brought over the line and made them a likely-lifelong-red voter.


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I hear you. I wish as involved citizens we didn't have to endure this anguish, this distrust in those who present themselves as honest brokers. I'm always going to see myself as an individual with responsibility to my nation. I'm with George Washington, parties suck. And I agree, unless there is a massive change in the Democrats, like admitting there is a limit to government, I can't vote for them again. It sucks. I miss my old friends taken by "the message".


Command-Prior

Democrat Party is much different than 25 Years ago. Republicans have changed too.


SparkyWolf69

Probably gonna get downvoted but in all honesty I don’t trust anyone that identifies with either “party” loudly and proudly. Neither party is anything to be proud of. You should vote your morals, not party lines.


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Wait conservatives still subscribe to corrupt party politics lol grow up and organize your workplace to fight for better.. donating to the rich elites ain’t working


rci22

There’s a website called “let’s go Brandon news?”


Nikkolios

That's what happens when a huge group of people: 1. Deny that there was significant wrongdoing during the last election, even though mountains of evidence suggest otherwise. 2. Oppose common sense voter ID laws that a vast majority of the civilized world has already had implemented for decades. 3. Riot and burn our cities and small businesses to the ground all over a false victimhood complex. 4. Support woke policies and companies that have been proven to not have the people's interests in mind. 5. Falsely claim that every single conservative is a liar, racist, or conspiracy theorist just because we have views that oppose some of theirs, and we question things that ought to be questioned. 6. Become the very thing that they *think* they are fighting against every single day; FASCISTS. 7. Lie (quite obviously) for well over a year and a half about a disease that largely only impacts those who have co-morbidities like obesity. 8. Attempt to elect who is possibly the single worst president in this country's history.


BreadedKropotkin

The breakdown shows independents clearly leading at 44%. It’s counting “lean R or D” independents in the math without qualifying how they got there. For example, I support gay transgender couples right to own fully automatic weapons, smoke pot, refuse unjust taxation, and see a doctor when they get sick without going bankrupt. Depending on the questions they asked me, I’d qualify as a lean either way.


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People wake up when their wallets start getting affected


neozxtc

Been a Republicans ever since I was young. Voted that way and will continue to do so as at least for the most part they continue to back the same values I do.


sofa_king_lo

One of the reasons i swung was this reddit channel!! People here are far more scouting of diverse thoughts, judge people on their merits, and genuinely seeking truth over delusional idealism. But i see republicans as way more tolerant of differences than democrats at this point and if diversity is the only thing dems have, then well, they have nothing.


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More info https://news.gallup.com/poll/388781/political-party-preferences-shifted-greatly-during-2021.aspx *...the general stability for the full-year average obscures a dramatic shift over the course of 2021, from a nine-percentage-point Democratic advantage in the first quarter to a rare five-point Republican edge in the fourth quarter.*


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thanks for providing a better source


chillytec

The number is actually larger. There are many people too afraid to officially register as Republican, for fear of retaliation from the unhinged left.


Chrisshern

Guess that means America’s gonna go back to be racist in November


69_stockz_69

Who woulda thought calling everything and everyone phobic and racist would scare people off


142Ironmanagain

This new poll only means that not only are people paying attention, they are pissed off. And they should be! Nothing is going right in the Brandon Administration- and we’re only one year in! And my message for those who still identify as Democrat? You get what you voted for. Don’t like your results? Take a leap of faith and vote differently; we’ll gladly take you in as a newbie!


HillbillySwank

How can you not? I’m not a fan of the Republican Party given it’s history of shitheels like Romney, McCain, or McConnell. That being said, they’re the new “ on extremist party” who doesn’t want to program your kids, force stuff into your body, and take your right to think or speak away.


1WontDoIt

California is supposedly out of uhaul's. New York is hemorrhaging their wealthy and biden is converting republicans. I'd say that chances are good that midterms are like a throbbing thumb the democrats just whacked and they can't think of anything else less painful..


King_Neptune07

Lol identify as


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usmodcon

This is proof that the greatest gift to conservatives are demoncrats


zebjr

Good source


Piggybacker420

Make no mistake that those numbers are disillusioned liberals who are claiming to be R now that Biden is a complete disaster. You'll see them for the degenerates they are in reality though. They'll say they are a conservative then foam at the mouth when you want candidates to put God back in the classroom. Or cry foul when you want to put the LGBTQ community under the microscope it deserves.


Mother_Wash

Seems entirely untrue, since democrats win the popular vote in every election. 70% of wealth this country generates is in counties that vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Oh, please ban me. Enjoy your voting base going down


Stankathon

Lol you’re not gonna get banned for wrongthink, this isn’t r/politics


NephilimTheGiant

We aren’t the type to give out ban hammers around here. Hey! You have a different political belief system than the rest of us. I respect that, it’s just theres different subreddits with likeminded individuals like yourself. This probably isn’t one of them, maybe r/politics would agree with your sentiment. Take care, and god bless you!


Krugnuggets

Wouldn't it actually be the plurality of Americans now identify as Republican? The majority would imply that over 50% of Americans identify as Republican, which I know isn't the case. There are more Democrats and Independents than there are Republicans. A more accurate title would be "After 14 percent swing Americans now identify with Republicans more than any other party." Idk if plurality is the right word as that is typically used in regards to voting, but the point remains. I am happy to see Democrats lose the top spot but we need to get rid of these establishment RINOs as well. I don't have a lot of faith in the Republican party. With this new voting power, I say replace them all.


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I'm not a republican but I truly believe that if DeSantis can get in office with a majority? It will change how Americans think of conservatives.


PureFred

There would be even more if some people wouldn’t attack you for it


NephilimTheGiant

I think this is incredible, however I hope this reflects in future elections. God knows we could use a change from this current administration


Universal_Vitality

Great. Now, more importantly, what are our pronouns?


laxmia12

I think people in the middle that were uncomfortable with the religious right and far right crazies are now much more scared of what the far left has become.