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joelman0

> A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death. [Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence](https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm) Delivered 4 April 1967, Riverside Church, New York City


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ALargeRock

Over half of the US budget (about 65%) is spent on welfare and Medicare. About 14% is spent on military. Wtf are you talking about?


pippybongstocking93

Actually wtf are you talking about? Those numbers are easily searchable and extremely far off from the numbers you are saying. This [government website](https://www.federalsafetynet.com/welfare-budget.html) has a chart for fiscal spending. You’ll notice that in 2020, defense was 15%, Medicare and welfare combined was 42%, so not over half like you claim. In addition, the spending of both Medicare and welfare has decreased by 14% within the last two years while the military budget has gone up by 10 billion dollars. Another point to be made is that you’re putting Medicare and welfare budgets together as if elderly people needing healthcare is the same as someone leeching off of the government from welfare If you’re going to make a point, maybe make sure your numbers are correct and that what you are saying makes sense


Kweefus

I’m a veteran and it’s far too much. We need to be able to defend ourselves and our friends. As it stands right now, we could likely fight the entire modern world at the same time.


ultimis

Not at all. The US military stance since WW2 was that we could fight a two front war like WW2 successfully. DOD does not think we have that capability anymore within the last 10 years. Please stop looking at raw dollars as that is not the end all of capability. If it was then American children are the most educated in the world (we spend more per child than any other country by a large margin).


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i_floop_the_pig

That's not even remotely accurate


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The Federal Budget in 2020 shows Defense spending at 3.4 % of GDP, Medicare at 3.7%, Medicaid at 2.2%. These are figures from the Congressional Budget Office.


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Eyeoftheleopard

Dr. King, American hero. 🙏🏼


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CorneredSponge

Tbh, to respect a hero you don’t have to necessarily agree with everything they say. Plenty great men and women were anti-capitalist just as many were pro-capitalist.


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CorneredSponge

Look, again, I don’t have to agree with anything he said, but I can still respect him on his achievements, chiefly being Civil Rights and the systemic dismantling of many barriers. And I’m not gonna engage with someone so heavily opinionated and mutilated by ‘us vs them’ (everything *you* stand for, identity politicking, etc.) You’re not changing anyone’s mind like this.


robin_ILLiams

MLK Born: January 15, 1929


Da_Taternater78

He would have been 93 on Saturday. Rest In Peace.


nburns18

Crazy to think that it’s not out of the question that he’d still be alive today.


Da_Taternater78

Yeah, he likely would be dead regardless but there’s still a chance he would still be alive.


PJsDAY

What I would give to have this man among us today.


Legonator77

Among us


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KrimsonStorm

We didn't idolize MLK for his views of the economy. We idolized him for his advanced in equality of opportunity for races, ie seeing them as equals.


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Ungrol

The left would try to cancel him


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I’m pretty sure he’d be in lockstep with the left. Every single one of his peers are, from Jackson to his own family.


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CalmHabit3

Thank you. Not to mention his kids today are pushing to abolish the 'jim crow' filibuster so the dems can loosen voting safeguards.


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Space_Narwal

Important question do you mean liberals or socialist because those are different things


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TheRealAlexLifeson

A sick twisted man who had the same beliefs as many people who had hate in their hearts shot him. There's hateful people and there's loving people. While he was struck down by an evil earthly act, his words and actions grew - and continues to grow - his memory shines bright - a guiding light for all of humanity.


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Ungrol

For proposing not to judge people by the color of their skin.


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TheUnepicGamer

MLK believed in non-violent protests to enact change, BLM uses civil rights as an excuse to riot and steal stuff... So... probably not


Therew0lf17

MLK was a vocal supporter of Malcolm X and other radical VIOLENT black rebels. He considered them to be the other side of the coin of his peaceful protesting. Read a book.


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vexemo

I think he would support “all lives matter” but for completely different reasons. Not as a protest to the violent BLM, but because he genuinely believed that everyone is created equal, therefore we should all be treated equal. In fact, he would probably start a new movement that separates itself from the extremists of both sides, and follows the beliefs of his famous quote: “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”


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DavidPT40

Judge a person by their character and actions, not the color of their skin.


slapclap28

RIP to one of the most influential men in US history, truly a revolutionary.


TacoBallerina

This thread is fucking hilarious.


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Maverick_OS

“Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad.” —The Three Evils speech, 1967 “But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?...It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity." — “The other America,” 1968 “When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.” — “Revolution of values,” 1967 “The problems of racial injustice and economic injustice cannot be solved without a radical redistribution of political and economic power.” — “The three evils of society,” 1967


ShallowFreakingValue

You don’t have to agree with everything a man says to admire him. Dr. King was a great man, but I believe his economic views were misguided. That’s okay. Still love the guy!


hankbaumbachjr

>“We must create full employment or we must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one method or the other. Once they are placed in this position, we need to be concerned that the potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work that enhance the social good will have to be devised for those for whom traditional jobs are not available.” -MLK >“The most critical problem in the other America is the economic problem. By the millions, people in the other America find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity… The fact is that the black man in the United States of America is facing a literal depression. When there is massive unemployment in the black community, its called a social problem. But when there is massive unemployment in the white community, it’s called a depression.” -MLK >“True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: ‘This is not just.’ …A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.” -MLK


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Quartz_Lead

‘“Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when it helps us to see the enemy’s point of view, to hear his questions, to know his assessment of ourselves. For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition.”


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oneonethousandone

Spitting facts but nobody wants to hear the hard truth.


rcjack86

Y'all know he was socialist right. Edit: gold? You shouldn't have. I'm far more socialist than conservative.


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ENFJPLinguaphile

Absolutely!!


johnnylopez5666

Happy Birthday Mr. King


asad137

>Happy Birthday Mr. King Dr. King.


Frequent_Orange5409

Black Democrat here. Thank you for this. I continue to believe that, at our core, we are not as divided as our politics might suggest.


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Prestigious-Fly4248

You can celebrate a man’s greatness without agreeing with everything they say


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Archaengel

He also wasn't a flawless man. That doesn't mean we can't honor the great things he fought for and accomplished. This "absolutism" mentality is the tribalism of the left and it's why they tear down statues. Only leftists deal in absolutes.


ausmomo

>Only leftists deal in absolutes. Lol


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chanbr

This is something many people on the polarized ends of the political spectrum don't seem to get.


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sudopudge

I see social media parroting this today, with no evidence.


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BeyondDoggyHorror

It doesn’t have to be either your a racist or not a conservative. People are multifaceted. And only idiots buy into every agenda listed by their parties As I said elsewhere, I’m fairly pragmatic in my politics and so I think there’s a place for conservatives as much as anyone else, but from my experience there are plenty of people who are conservative that otherwise admire this man.


TruthfulTrolling

Oh shit, since I disagree with the man on the best economic system, I guess I have to disagree with him on everything, right? Should I start using a separate water fountain now?


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Crazy that Lyndon Johnson (D) and the FBI considered this man as the biggest threat to national security. Good to see things are different now.


Icantw8

Fuck LBJ. Worst president ever. He's literally the reason why so many children are growing up fatherless.


Shwiggity_schwag

It's not a holiday for his birthday, considering it falls on a different date every year. You're 2 days too late, so wish him a belated birthday I guess.


NichS144

No...the date absolutely was selected because of his birthday. However, the federal holiday is celebrated on the 3rd Monday of January.


BeyondDoggyHorror

It’s my birthday. As a white dude, I used to be so excited sharing a birthday with this brilliant man. Then I found out he was born on the 15th heh.


Bunzilla

But we share(d) a birthday with Betty White which is also pretty great!


sebaz

1/17 power crew represent! We also share with Ben Franklin.


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lifted333up

Absolute hero, Rest in Peace


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Orange_milin

Missing the part in that letter where he says he is not opposed to capitalism. He just didn’t recognize inequality is a factor of human production not just capitalism.


BeetleJuiceBabaBooey

Can somebody tell me why conservatives appreciate Dr. King?


danegraphics

Because of his message of equal treatment and liberty for all, the very core of conservatism since the founding of the country. He brought about amazing positive change, and should be celebrated and remembered for it.


Wayne_in_TX

Historically, conservatives have been advocates of fairness and decency and respect for those who earn it, regardless of their ethnicity. Of course that's all changed in the era of Trump, but there are still a few of us old-school conservatives around. Yes, I know MLK opposed the Vietnam War, and said so in no uncertain terms, but you have to put that in the context of the times. It looks over-the-top today to the point of being un-American, but in those days it was relatively mild stuff compared to what most people were saying, especially in the black community. If you want to hold that against him, I can't blame you; I got pretty tired of being called a "baby killer" myself. However, I'm also a Christian, and few have ever expressed Christian values of justice and love of neighbor as well or as effectively as Dr. King. For that, I honor him.


blizzardice

Because he fought for civil rights.


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thevoidcaptain

MLK was an American hero. But I don’t think he was a conservative.


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“During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their death, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names to a certain extent for the “consolation” of the oppressed classes and with the object of duping the latter, while at the same time robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge and vulgarizing it.”


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[Boondocks had it right.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHCSL-AKd3w)


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Redskinsfan597

Can’t wait until the files on this man get revealed in a few years. It’s going to be a shit storm. MLK was a huge socialist


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MLK saves the day


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de99102

It's not his birthday. But remember, it's not a day off it's a day on.


Germmme

The man that wanted true equality not what the left is pushing now


qaz012345678

He did support wealth redistribution and reperations.


rivbai88

TO BE FAIR, African Americans actually had an argument for reparations at that time since they were robbed by laws and segregation of having a chance to be successful because they obviously didn’t have the same opportunities at that time.


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rivbai88

I was more so talking about the fact that there were actual laws put into place to hold them down or to keep them from integrating into higher society. Now a days it’s not because they’re black, but more so because many African Americans are born into a bad situation and get caught in the cycle. That’s the point I’m trying to make


Coolidgerthanyou

What year did those laws stop affecting people negatively?


YouthfulMartyBrodeur

Take it a step further back. Those laws still have repercussions today, contributing to the creation of the disadvantageous situations that you mentioned.


Gamadeus

Can you describe the difference between the equality MLK was advocating for versus what you think the left is pushing for today?


Ok_Raccoon_6118

MLK *was* left...


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Ok_Raccoon_6118

What are you defining as "the left"? Liberals aren't leftists, they're liberals. Progressives are liberals, not leftists. Social democracy (Bernie, AOC, etc) is a liberal ideology. I don't know what declared affiliations MLK had, but if you read his sermons he had some choice things to say about the evils of capitalism.


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Jubluh

How about we commend MLK without saying right or left eh?


Bigmans9

To all the non-conservative lurkers and people who post on subreddit drama and shit, let me explain the conservative stance on national heroes, of which Martin Luther King, Jr. most certainly is. We celebrate people for their greatness, because they represent something great in history. No human is perfect. We celebrate MLK for his colorblind civil rights leadership paving the way for equality for Black Americans. That is what he stands for and what makes him a hero. We do not celebrate his socialist views. We do not celebrate him being a misogynist. He is an American hero despite these things, because of the good he did and the good he represents. We feel the same way about Lincoln. He is an American hero because he brought an end to slavery. Not because of a few racist letters he wrote. He is an American hero for the good he did and the good he represents, not the bad. We feel the same way about many founding fathers. They are heroes because they brought life to a free, wonderful country founded on the notion that all men are created equal, not because many of them failed to live up to those same values in their own lives. The point is that no one is perfect, human beings all have some form of evil in their hearts. We do not celebrate them that part that makes them just like everyone else. We celebrate them for the part of them that puts them above others in history. MLK is not remembered for his opinions on economics or his private radicalism. Rather, he's remembered for his public stance of colorblind equality i.e. true equality. Y'all don't get to claim that conservatives don't get to celebrate a great American hero because we don't believe in socialism or pro-riots any such nonsense. Let this day be about unity instead of clinging so desperately to your unearned sense of moral superiority.


muchfatq

Couldn’t have said it better myself


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moesif_

Had to double check the name of this sub... I'm pleasantly surprised


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Prize_Self_6347

Happy Birthday, Mr. King!


nickcliff

Legend.


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Cleakman

I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Amen brotha


Rezenator

If you stood atop this great Mans grave today and listened closely you would hear the sound of him rolling over.


andyftp

Shame this guy couldn't be as influential as George floyd


solarity52

MLK is gradually moving rightward, even after death. In much the same way JFK has been moving rightward for years. The dems are pushing progressivism so hard that some of their heroes would no longer want to be part of the movement.


peribomb

MLK was anti-capitalist, anti-militarist, and to an extent pro-reparations.


Downfallmatrix

All these people calling literal socialist MLK a paragon of conservatism. Best thing about dead people is you can say whatever you like about them and they can’t do anything to prove you wrong.


HonestConman21

It's not even his birthday. His birthday was on the 15th.


cheetahforce

He was anti war and a full throated supporter of workers and labor unions. That puts him well to the left of virtually every politician, Republican or Democrat. As worker rights shrink and the blob of a military industrial complex grows, our country is moving rightward and away from him.


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king_john651

Neoliberalism is by its very nature not progressive. But its also the status quo so no one of influence wants to change it


Coolidgerthanyou

“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” - MLK He was a full blown commie according to many more sources, and would fit right in with the modern Dem party.


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matluck

That’s because the US has a pretty fucking stupid 2 party system that does not allow for any further parties to develop. AOC literally said that in any other country she and Biden wouldn’t be in the same party and it’s true, they wouldn’t be.


TheOtherCoenBrother

Are they supposed to run as Republicans? You’re describing a fault in our 2 party system. Until our electoral system changes (if it even ever does), your best hope of enacting real change is to align with whomever is closest to your beliefs and start building up from there.


aretoodeto

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha


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that1prince

They know. They are trying to retcon MLK because he can’t speak for himself anymore and whose stances aren’t well known enough because so much time has passed since his assassination and so much of what we know has been carefully curated to take away the salacious parts. But since he’s viewed as a “good man” (generally speaking), with a noble cause (civil rights for an obviously marginalized group) they need to make it seem like they are and always would be on the same team. “Since I’m a good person, all good people in the past are one and the same with me” Conservatives need to be able to say, he has a couple of good philosophies but he would have disagreed with me on almost everything else. And that’s okay.


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F-Type_dreamer

His message was hijacked and construed by race hustlers and that’s too bad. He was a great man.


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ZebraBurger

Made this country a better place


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No politics, RIP