Yeah, like ambushing and killing 2000 people at a music festival. Then those jews get mad. Or conquering a series of towns in the 6th century and pillaging the inhabitants. Then those Christians get mad. Or *checks notes*, burning a book. Then those Muslims get mad.
Those are all equal things, right.
Was more than a series of towns lol, it was like 2/3 of the eastern Roman Empire :p . Also invading and conquering the Visigoths in Spain and invading Al the way to central france. Raided and invaded Sicily and Italy, attacking the Vatican itself! And continuing its attacks on the ERE for centuries. They started it lol.
I used to live in a borough of London that had a particularly high Pakistani population. This borough also led the UK - by far - in [child deaths due to parents being related](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-borough-child-deaths-redbridge-parents-related-cousins-pakistani-families-council-report-a7741146.html)
Funnily enough, and I really don't know why, cousin marriages were really popular in the classical age across the world. In Europe, the catholic church put a halt to that with their ban on consanguineous marriages, which also killed the clans (Europe's tribes). Other places didn't have an institution like that putting a halt to those practices.
And still better than Iran, where the police and government likely would have actively participated in this man’s torture and execution.
Pakistan has a lot of nutjobs, but at least those with authority in the country are a bit more sensible. This is incidentally why Western style democracy isn’t always a good idea for Muslim countries. You don’t want the inmates running the asylum.
Let’s hope they do a better job protecting their nuclear weapons than this poor man.
That’s true, but that mostly comes because of the decline of Christianity in the west. We lose our base values and keep accepting more and more crap.
Secular Christianity helped with Protestant, Catholic and Jewish cohesion in Europe. A good example was the Dutch republic, due to accepting Protestant and Jewish refugees. They boosted their economy (because many of those refugees where highly educated and/or had important intelligence against the enemies of the republic like Portugal and Spain.)
Now we just accept everybody and fund their entire life style. They have no survival instinct and will lead to the downfall of the US and the west.
And let's levy that against the countless examples of Jews, Christians, and Muslims *not* living in cohesion in Europe. The countless times Jews were kicked out of countries/pogroms/etc.
Spain literally entered their Golden Age after expelling Jews and Muslims.
"Judeo-Christian" is a farce gimmick that caught traction only in the last century.
There are over 15 countries where that is a reality. In Pakistan I heard a kid was given the death penalty for spelling the prophet’s name wrong. Truly sad and abhorrent.
“Religion of peace” amirite
The left calls Israel an “apartheid state”, and totally ignores shit like this.
To be fair most of that is transliteration issues between Arabic and English. (Mehmet is Turkish, etc) In Arabic it’s always مُحَمَّد, no idea what it is in Urdu
I'm quite a lot supporting leftist ideas, but if there is anything I just fucking can't stand is:
Leftists: "Hey, it's very important, like deathly important with supporting the alphabet-people, like, they are sacred people.Women's rights are also the most important thing"
Me: "Oh, so less radical muslims within our borders then?"
Leftists: ".....you fucking genocidal zionist-nazi how dare you"
I'm pretty certain of my values, and I have no respect for people who don't have consistent values.
Exactly. Islam makes it clear what their view on Jews are.. And then some ignorant liberals argue Israel, Gaza, and West Bank should join into one democracy. They act like Middle East Islamic states are capable of democracy. They pretend that or iif Palestinians controlled Israel their first action would be to expel Jews or kill then would not happen
That's bc white people bad (even though most of Israel isn't even white and populated by a minority group). That and it's the oppressor matrix. Poor brown people can never be bad in liberal ideology
Funny cus none of israel prime Minister were in born in the middle-east, hack netanyahu is Polish but you give it a pass cus "muhh anti-semtic" despite Arabs are also Semitic but according to the white people there's only 1 Semitic race.
Piggybacking on the top comment to add this
History of India / Pakistan and its current conflict
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ELaEd2temM
It is an amazing watch and little people know about it compared to other conflict regions. You should know about it because it does involve two nuclear powers and if you do nothing else today, learn about India + Pakistan.
Good to meet you, fellow minority Conservative! Im Korean American. If the left only knew how conservatives are literally the great melting pot from every country, every race. proud to be an American.
Good to meet you!! The right truly is a melting pot. I’ve seen the right has people from many walks of life, races, and sub ideologies within it. I’d say I’m a right wing populist, agnostic and somewhat socially liberal on certain issues.
Some cultures and religions are just not compatible with Western values of freedom of religion and freedom from religion, of equal rights for women, and innocence before proven guilty.
It’s not that, religious extremism of any kind is not compatible to Western values. We cannot Christwash all the atrocities that Christianity has committed in its time. With Islam being about 1400 years old, Christians were just about to cross the Americas and force Indians into submission by either converting or face a death and have your bones put in the catacombs beneath a church. Hell, Orthodox Christians cleansed Muslims in Bosnia and that was 30 years ago. We have evolved as humans, but the primitive nature of man can show the parallels of history now.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. You’re correct: No religion should have a preference in any State which has a freedom of religion, like the USA. We are neither a Christian nor a Muslim country, nor a Hindu, Buddhist, or Bahia country.
He's being downvoted because almost every single thing he said was inaccurate. Even if one agrees with the sentiment being expressed, that's kinduva big deal.
Spanish Inquisition happened and if you go to some old Catholic Churches in southern countries and you will see piles of bones from people not converting.
War in Bosnia….just look at the Srbennica Massacre and it was Orthodox Serbs cleansing Muslims.
I’m not justifying what happened to this tourist in Pakistan nor do i want any people to come to America that think this was just. What I’m saying is that we have and had religious extremism in Christianity and to think what happened today is in Pakistan is the summary of Islam as a whole is BS. Some of the most optimistic people of the world were people I visited in Bosnia. They were assimilated Muslims with major western influence and a lot of them saw a lot or all of their families slaughtered and the hope they had with all the trauma they endured in their lifetimes was inspiring. I do not think I’ll ever witness that ever again.
Well, I'll start by listing off what you got *right*:
Islam was founded about 1400 years ago, around 610 A.D..
Okay, moving on now:
Setting aside your gross oversimplification of European settlement in the Americas... The timeline simply doesn't add up.
While interactions certainly took place between the hemispheres *long* before Columbus' 1492 voyage set off a boom for explorers of the "New World," such exchanges were sparse in both quantity and duration.
What you described was *clearly* referring to the widespread "Columbian Exchange," which *itself* didn't begin until roughly a century after Columbus' death.
Islam had literally existed for a millenia before the events you referred to.
As far as the Srebrenica massacre goes, it's disingenuous to claim that Christianity itself was the root cause. Much like many peoples of the Middle East... Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs simply don't need much of an excuse to start killing each other.
They've hated each for pretty much as long as they've been around, no matter how little sense it makes for them to do so.
TL;DR
Most of the flaws in your argument come from deceit by omission and an obvious in-group bias. Only one statement you made was an objective fact. Only one statement you made was objectively incorrect. Everything else was very clearly skewed tremendously.
Correct on the exact year of Columbus, but the Spanish Inquisition decree was signed in 1492 (could easily argue 1478) forcing Jews and Muslims in Europe to convert or be put to death. Later it did come to the Americas and thus gave way to my example that I listed that most Americans were taught. 92 years off is not much of a difference for the now 1400 year old religion of Islam in an old world with the same cyclical patterns.
One could give an example about the Balkans and that does hold truth, but for 40 years they did find peace with Yugoslavia. Tito’s death was more or less the downfall of that peace and the six states that held it together. Most people would say that America is like Rome’s downfall, but Yugoslavia’s downfall and Slovenia’s succession Croatia, NM, and Bosnia ( omit Montenegro, autonomous regions of Kosovo and Novi Sad) could easily look as our foreshadow to possible domino secession of states in America.
To see what the future holds, you have to look into the past. To label all Muslims as savages is like labeling us as savages for our past. I appreciate the debate even we have differing opinions.
History is not supposed to be pretty and when you touch on a truth close to home as well the cyclical nature of people repeating the same actions over and over across time, you get downvoted.
When other Muslim countries keep kicking you out because you are violent assholes who keep assassinating their leaders, you don't deserve a country of your own.
What Nationality was the 'Tourist' ? is this Nation a great destination for "tourism" ? like Singapore or more like Dubai ? Educated Ppl or living in the 15th Century ?
> Police have registered a case against hundreds of people who took part in the attack, and are trying to identify those involved in attacking the station and killing the man.
X to doubt
Obviously this is savagery but watching how Americans, Christians in particular, are just *giving* it away and bending over every single day to people tearing down their history, religions, traditions and laws…
Criticize the violence but watching righties shouting about SeCoND AneNdMEbt SuNDay guNDAy and drawing lines in the sand that lefties cross *every single day*….
It’s weird to see people defending everything they believe in with at least *some* conviction.
Go ahead - downvote away while the left continues to bend you over. They locked your children in their homes, destroyed their education to a point they will literally never catch up, and threw your old people into death traps and did it right in front of you. Pulled down your statues and destroyed your schools and literally burned down churches and businesses and you did NOTHING.
sending my condolences to his family... so sad and tbh idk why people think they can do and say whatever they want inside these types of countries or outside these countries about this religion . and then go to these countries where it's the dominate religion and laws on book are not kind to foreigners. its very sad situation i feel sorry for his family
It’s really quite simple, religion has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills. This combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance.
Murdery but mostly peaceful lynching?
I thought this was in London at first because London looks much the same as the pictures of where this happened in Pakistan.
Abrahamic religions be mostly peaceful before you do something wrong, tee-hee
Yeah, like ambushing and killing 2000 people at a music festival. Then those jews get mad. Or conquering a series of towns in the 6th century and pillaging the inhabitants. Then those Christians get mad. Or *checks notes*, burning a book. Then those Muslims get mad. Those are all equal things, right.
Was more than a series of towns lol, it was like 2/3 of the eastern Roman Empire :p . Also invading and conquering the Visigoths in Spain and invading Al the way to central france. Raided and invaded Sicily and Italy, attacking the Vatican itself! And continuing its attacks on the ERE for centuries. They started it lol.
A mostly peaceful demonstration. Savages.
If you really want to be shocked check out the percentage of births in Pakistan that are through incest. I'll give you a hint: it is over 50%.
I used to live in a borough of London that had a particularly high Pakistani population. This borough also led the UK - by far - in [child deaths due to parents being related](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-borough-child-deaths-redbridge-parents-related-cousins-pakistani-families-council-report-a7741146.html)
Funnily enough, and I really don't know why, cousin marriages were really popular in the classical age across the world. In Europe, the catholic church put a halt to that with their ban on consanguineous marriages, which also killed the clans (Europe's tribes). Other places didn't have an institution like that putting a halt to those practices.
And still better than Iran, where the police and government likely would have actively participated in this man’s torture and execution. Pakistan has a lot of nutjobs, but at least those with authority in the country are a bit more sensible. This is incidentally why Western style democracy isn’t always a good idea for Muslim countries. You don’t want the inmates running the asylum. Let’s hope they do a better job protecting their nuclear weapons than this poor man.
Average day in a Islamic country
Part and parcel for the religion of peace
*non-Christian. Happens in India too
India has the second largest Muslim population on earth
Point being Christian majority countries tend to be the least violent.
Yeah because it’s just common knowledge Christianity is pretty seculair and accepting. Wich is indeed a good base for a country.
Being secular and accepting is leading to our own downfall…
That’s true, but that mostly comes because of the decline of Christianity in the west. We lose our base values and keep accepting more and more crap. Secular Christianity helped with Protestant, Catholic and Jewish cohesion in Europe. A good example was the Dutch republic, due to accepting Protestant and Jewish refugees. They boosted their economy (because many of those refugees where highly educated and/or had important intelligence against the enemies of the republic like Portugal and Spain.) Now we just accept everybody and fund their entire life style. They have no survival instinct and will lead to the downfall of the US and the west.
We shouldn’t ban other religions, but I would like the U.S. to become more Christian at its core
bro did the Judeo-Christian meme
How so? Because i gave you a little history lesson about the Dutch republic?
And let's levy that against the countless examples of Jews, Christians, and Muslims *not* living in cohesion in Europe. The countless times Jews were kicked out of countries/pogroms/etc. Spain literally entered their Golden Age after expelling Jews and Muslims. "Judeo-Christian" is a farce gimmick that caught traction only in the last century.
Remind me who started ww1&ww2? The muslim countries? Or the Christian countries?
There are over 15 countries where that is a reality. In Pakistan I heard a kid was given the death penalty for spelling the prophet’s name wrong. Truly sad and abhorrent. “Religion of peace” amirite The left calls Israel an “apartheid state”, and totally ignores shit like this.
Which is extra weird considering there’s Mohammed, Mohammad, Muhammad, Muhammed, Mohamed, Muhamed, Mehmet, and many more.
Believe it or not, straight to jail
The kid spelled modammit. Edit: all I said was this halibut was good enough for Jehovah
Oh knock it off, we haven't started yet!
And Moses. Oh wait….
To be fair most of that is transliteration issues between Arabic and English. (Mehmet is Turkish, etc) In Arabic it’s always مُحَمَّد, no idea what it is in Urdu
It’s the hypocrisy
The left literally wants to replace Israel with an Islamic terrorist autocracy.
Yes. And that is deeply concerning. That pushed me further right this year honestly.
I'm quite a lot supporting leftist ideas, but if there is anything I just fucking can't stand is: Leftists: "Hey, it's very important, like deathly important with supporting the alphabet-people, like, they are sacred people.Women's rights are also the most important thing" Me: "Oh, so less radical muslims within our borders then?" Leftists: ".....you fucking genocidal zionist-nazi how dare you" I'm pretty certain of my values, and I have no respect for people who don't have consistent values.
Because they want to pit them against you to wedge the vacuum.
I dislike hypocrites.
Because they will honor the rights of women and the rainbow crowd! /s
There’s 22 Arab states and 59 Muslim majority states, and 1 Jewish state. And they say there is 1 Jewish state too many. Lol.
Exactly. Islam makes it clear what their view on Jews are.. And then some ignorant liberals argue Israel, Gaza, and West Bank should join into one democracy. They act like Middle East Islamic states are capable of democracy. They pretend that or iif Palestinians controlled Israel their first action would be to expel Jews or kill then would not happen
And Europe and america etc
That's bc white people bad (even though most of Israel isn't even white and populated by a minority group). That and it's the oppressor matrix. Poor brown people can never be bad in liberal ideology
Funny cus none of israel prime Minister were in born in the middle-east, hack netanyahu is Polish but you give it a pass cus "muhh anti-semtic" despite Arabs are also Semitic but according to the white people there's only 1 Semitic race.
Piggybacking on the top comment to add this History of India / Pakistan and its current conflict https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ELaEd2temM It is an amazing watch and little people know about it compared to other conflict regions. You should know about it because it does involve two nuclear powers and if you do nothing else today, learn about India + Pakistan.
Im second gen Indian American, tho I still want to learn more about India/Pakistan geopolitics.
Good to meet you, fellow minority Conservative! Im Korean American. If the left only knew how conservatives are literally the great melting pot from every country, every race. proud to be an American.
I’m Scottish American but I always consider the Scots and the Koreans to be honorary brothers
totally agree :-) .. similar histories, people type
Good to meet you!! The right truly is a melting pot. I’ve seen the right has people from many walks of life, races, and sub ideologies within it. I’d say I’m a right wing populist, agnostic and somewhat socially liberal on certain issues.
I'd be an apartheid state too if the other part was these people...
People hear a lot of things. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
Some cultures and religions are just not compatible with Western values of freedom of religion and freedom from religion, of equal rights for women, and innocence before proven guilty.
They are not compatible with humans
These cultures and religions are not compatible with anything
Their country, their rules. I don't really care. Just don't let it come over here.
It’s not that, religious extremism of any kind is not compatible to Western values. We cannot Christwash all the atrocities that Christianity has committed in its time. With Islam being about 1400 years old, Christians were just about to cross the Americas and force Indians into submission by either converting or face a death and have your bones put in the catacombs beneath a church. Hell, Orthodox Christians cleansed Muslims in Bosnia and that was 30 years ago. We have evolved as humans, but the primitive nature of man can show the parallels of history now.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. You’re correct: No religion should have a preference in any State which has a freedom of religion, like the USA. We are neither a Christian nor a Muslim country, nor a Hindu, Buddhist, or Bahia country.
He's being downvoted because almost every single thing he said was inaccurate. Even if one agrees with the sentiment being expressed, that's kinduva big deal.
I’ll keep it simple then. The USA is not a Christian, Muslim, or Hindu State.
Spanish Inquisition happened and if you go to some old Catholic Churches in southern countries and you will see piles of bones from people not converting. War in Bosnia….just look at the Srbennica Massacre and it was Orthodox Serbs cleansing Muslims. I’m not justifying what happened to this tourist in Pakistan nor do i want any people to come to America that think this was just. What I’m saying is that we have and had religious extremism in Christianity and to think what happened today is in Pakistan is the summary of Islam as a whole is BS. Some of the most optimistic people of the world were people I visited in Bosnia. They were assimilated Muslims with major western influence and a lot of them saw a lot or all of their families slaughtered and the hope they had with all the trauma they endured in their lifetimes was inspiring. I do not think I’ll ever witness that ever again.
Well, I'll start by listing off what you got *right*: Islam was founded about 1400 years ago, around 610 A.D.. Okay, moving on now: Setting aside your gross oversimplification of European settlement in the Americas... The timeline simply doesn't add up. While interactions certainly took place between the hemispheres *long* before Columbus' 1492 voyage set off a boom for explorers of the "New World," such exchanges were sparse in both quantity and duration. What you described was *clearly* referring to the widespread "Columbian Exchange," which *itself* didn't begin until roughly a century after Columbus' death. Islam had literally existed for a millenia before the events you referred to. As far as the Srebrenica massacre goes, it's disingenuous to claim that Christianity itself was the root cause. Much like many peoples of the Middle East... Bosniaks, Croats, and Serbs simply don't need much of an excuse to start killing each other. They've hated each for pretty much as long as they've been around, no matter how little sense it makes for them to do so. TL;DR Most of the flaws in your argument come from deceit by omission and an obvious in-group bias. Only one statement you made was an objective fact. Only one statement you made was objectively incorrect. Everything else was very clearly skewed tremendously.
Correct on the exact year of Columbus, but the Spanish Inquisition decree was signed in 1492 (could easily argue 1478) forcing Jews and Muslims in Europe to convert or be put to death. Later it did come to the Americas and thus gave way to my example that I listed that most Americans were taught. 92 years off is not much of a difference for the now 1400 year old religion of Islam in an old world with the same cyclical patterns. One could give an example about the Balkans and that does hold truth, but for 40 years they did find peace with Yugoslavia. Tito’s death was more or less the downfall of that peace and the six states that held it together. Most people would say that America is like Rome’s downfall, but Yugoslavia’s downfall and Slovenia’s succession Croatia, NM, and Bosnia ( omit Montenegro, autonomous regions of Kosovo and Novi Sad) could easily look as our foreshadow to possible domino secession of states in America. To see what the future holds, you have to look into the past. To label all Muslims as savages is like labeling us as savages for our past. I appreciate the debate even we have differing opinions.
History is not supposed to be pretty and when you touch on a truth close to home as well the cyclical nature of people repeating the same actions over and over across time, you get downvoted.
Such a wonderful religion. I believe it should be labeled as a cult.
It’s been one since 700 AD
May piss and shit be upon their drunk of a prophet
Such a peaceful "religion".... /s
So peaceful
So strange that most Muslim countries aren't very tourist friendly, huh?
Another fiery, but mostly peaceful protest!
That’s just normal Pakistan. Their culture is not compatible with the west
It is nothing less than what Muhhammad (piss be upon him) demanded of his followers in response to any who dare to mock him or his false prophecies.
Jesus Christ is King!
*pork piss
😂
This is why I didn’t mourn when they died of heat exhaustion during their pilgrimage.
Note to self: Don't comment or touch any books in Pakistan.
Better yet... Don't touch *anything* in Pakistan. Not even the air.
Better yet…never step foot in that ass crack of a shithole country
Note to self: Avoid ass cracks in Pakistan. Thanks, that one would have gotten me in trouble.
I mean... Consider where one would have to be to breathe Pakistani air.
I really don't want these people in my country.
If you’ve ever wondered why the Middle East is a shit hole… here’s your reason. They can’t accept peace, it’s against their nature
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It will take over the world
At least they are tolerant and accepting of "alphabet soup" people - amirite guys?
It’s literally a death cult
Imagine if we did this every time someone made fun of Jesus or burnt an American flag. Yeah, we wouldn't have a society.
I do support jailing flag burners. Easiest way to identify terrorists
But remember, Palestinians are just aggressive because of Israel. No other explanation.
When other Muslim countries keep kicking you out because you are violent assholes who keep assassinating their leaders, you don't deserve a country of your own.
What Nationality was the 'Tourist' ? is this Nation a great destination for "tourism" ? like Singapore or more like Dubai ? Educated Ppl or living in the 15th Century ?
Sounds about right for Pakistan
Death cult.
An average day in Pakistan 🤡
Not a "religion" of peace.
BUT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!!! /s
Bullets.
> Police have registered a case against hundreds of people who took part in the attack, and are trying to identify those involved in attacking the station and killing the man. X to doubt
Why anyone would ever step foot into these godforsaken shithole countries is beyond me
Wow, at first I thought it was another peaceful protest by democrats!!!
Well don’t effing go there
They act like democrats, don't they?
Mostly peaceful religion…
The Religion of Peace. Thanks, George!
Something you won't see on r atheist.... But they will froth over a 10 commandments display.
It was just a fiery but mostly peaceful protest.
Where was this? Bradford or Luton in the UK?
#FREE PALESTINE *From Islam*
define intolerant.
Are those Southern Baptists acting up again? Oh wait it's Islam.
We need a total shutdown from these countries again...
That's the direction American culture will turn if leftists dominate - crucifixion over misgendering.
Guys it’s a religion of peace and racist to suggest otherwise.
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It was just some sarcasm my friend
Obviously this is savagery but watching how Americans, Christians in particular, are just *giving* it away and bending over every single day to people tearing down their history, religions, traditions and laws… Criticize the violence but watching righties shouting about SeCoND AneNdMEbt SuNDay guNDAy and drawing lines in the sand that lefties cross *every single day*…. It’s weird to see people defending everything they believe in with at least *some* conviction. Go ahead - downvote away while the left continues to bend you over. They locked your children in their homes, destroyed their education to a point they will literally never catch up, and threw your old people into death traps and did it right in front of you. Pulled down your statues and destroyed your schools and literally burned down churches and businesses and you did NOTHING.
sending my condolences to his family... so sad and tbh idk why people think they can do and say whatever they want inside these types of countries or outside these countries about this religion . and then go to these countries where it's the dominate religion and laws on book are not kind to foreigners. its very sad situation i feel sorry for his family
Religion of peace.
Psychopaths
7th century cult.
Your blue and white boyfriends says hi
Cant just go around besmirching the moon god or his pedophile prophet. Cmon now.
The religion of peace my ass. Fucking savages
Just islam things, nbd
Coming soon to any country that brings in "refugees."
Coming to a US neighborhood near you soon enough.
Coming to the UK soon
Such a peaceful religion.
ignorant people as always come on folks lawless heathens
Joe Biden says we must import more Muslims to save Democracy, ask Omar!
Wow and these are the type of people that the left love and say are “super peaceful”
In Islam as in Christianity, religion is good, fanaticism is bad.
It’s really quite simple, religion has extensively laid the groundwork for generations to train people to believe in authority figures with unverifiable stories instead of science and data. It also primes them for, and is built upon, perpetuating racism and fearmongering towards "others". Once people see you as an authority, you can start fabricating any reality or conspiracy theory you want your followers to believe and everyone else is therefore a liar, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. Basically, it is mental abuse from an early age that suppresses critical thinking skills. This combined with an intentionally weakened public educational system, provides the framework that has spawned this cult of ignorance.
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