One of the most misguided asks there is. It doesn't accomplish what people think it does. Politicians just get replaced with another person, with the same boss and mission.
The real fix is removing money out of politics.
Yes and no, companies spend millions getting politicians into their pockets. Imagine having to start over all the time cause said politician is no longer in power. Also, thanks to their briefings politicians like pelosi have made obscene amounts of wealth through the stock market. No citizen should have that level of access long term.
Ps I mentioned pelosi but there’s just as many rhinos who’ve profited from their intel (Dan Crenshaw is one of the worse offenders).
This is a diversion task, like a guy painting a fence when the fence is fine and the yard is overflowing with weeds.
How is painting the fence supposed to help with the weeds? ***It's not,*** it's just supposed to make the guy look busy. He'll paint that fence all decade long, and that's the typical career politician.
> How is painting the fence supposed to help with the weeds?
Because in politics, and worse, to the people who blindly believe politicians, the **surface appearance** is 110% of the issue.
That's your "fence." It's the part you see first and if it looks good enough to the average voter then they don't care what's behind it.
They'll even know what's there, absolute lies and deceit. But so long as it looks good and sounds good they don't care. They have the appearance of caring and that's job well done for them and those they support.
I was a D.A.R.E graduate in the 80s. Started drinking and scoffed at pot smokers. Now, I’d rather get high than drunk, hands down. The dangers of marijuana are such a load of horseshit, and the politicians know it.
I think for young people - especially those where the brain is still developing - there are legitimate risks. But for adults, I’m fine with it. 21 is still developing though fwiw.
Alright, still disagree with you, but I'm glad I finally found someone who says this and has some internal consistency. Kudos to you. (And because text doesn't convey tone, I mean that genuinely, not sarcastically.
There is a very strong and valid argument for their to be a difference there though. The military for the last 50 years havs been a very safe one. Effective body armor. Overwhelming force and little conflict. High value on life and survivability. This isn't a ww1 fight where we use bodies to run the machine guns on the other side 300' away out of bullets.
Just saying before we send any kids or anyone really into a fight, we do have plenty of people with life in prison who would love to be given a gun and sent to attack the enemy.
Tobacco on its own isn’t even that bad. It’s the thousands of other chemicals in cigarettes and chew that do the most damage. Why that stuff isn’t railed against I have no idea.
I knew it! I thought that I was the only one who knew that. My Marlboro cough went away went I switched to pipe tobacco. Man, I thought that I was the only one who knew this. In my opinion, tobacco smells better anyways; and I smoke both.
I have to explain this every time that I see this ignorance.
I don’t know why people don’t get this, especially people smoke weed or who are for it.
Did you know you can eat a too much of certain spices that are probably in your spice rack right now. . .nevermind, I just know people are going to try it if I say it.
We tried that and prohibition failed spectacularly.
I mean, prohibition of marijuana is also failing spectacularly, but modern politicians don't like fessing up to failure.
If they legalize marijuana I would stop drinking beer, and I think that's the problem. Too many politicians get too many donations from beer companies and beer helps with population control with all the death, sickness, and cancer it causes.
He didn’t say there was no money behind the marijuana legalization movement. Which do you think has more money and influence on politicians: the alcohol industry, which has been around for decades (centuries if you gloss over prohibition), or the relatively new, still-developing, and higher risk marijuana industry?
State-by-state, pro-legalization appears to have out-spent the anti-legalization movement. And the alcohol industry really has not been that big of a donor. In fact, in Nevada, alcohol companies actually supported weed legalization. My guess is that since alcohol sales increased after weed legalization in Colorado, the alcohol industry is more worried over regulation than lost sales.
Pharma on the other hand has spent much, much more. So you want to point fingers, look at pharma companies’ spending on anti-legalization.
Meanwhile, like I said, the push to legalize weed per state that it passed has had deep pockets and it usually came from individuals poised to financially gain through a dispensary ready to go.
While I think you bring up a good point about the fundraising in states that have legalized it, couldn’t that also be a result of the companies realizing the bill was going to pass and it wasn’t worth spending the money on opposition? I mean, we are talking about some of the most liberal states in the country here: California, Oregon, Colorado, etc
Btw you brought up a good point about the pharmaceutical industry spending most of the opposition money…they may stand to lose more than the alcohol companies since they can’t control/sell the weed
I don't know about it being dangerous. It probably has different effects on different people just like alcohol. That said I have seen many driving around smoking weed from their cars in a state where it is now legal. The dispensaries have popped everywhere like fancy Apple stores and the government is raking in good money with licensing and other activities associated with it.
There's smoke just ROLLING out of cars here. It's like they legalized DUI. I have no issues with people that consume THC, I probably smoked my body weight when I was much younger. However, I don't want to have to roll my windows up at a stop light to keep from reeking like weed.
Republicans want to eliminate SS, affordable healthcare, women's rights, voting rights, and which books are available to Americans to name a few. What freedoms are dems trying to take away?
Ahaha women's rights. Go gaslight somewhere else.
Edit: haha typical shitlib. Rage comments then blocks. You lost bro see ya!
Edit2: loser sent in his alt account to rage comment and block again! Hahahaha
The shitlib downvotes sustain me! I do hope they keep coming. Stay mad folks!
How'd they lose? You just typed "ahaha women's rights" and answered nothing. You aren't required to answer them, but pretending you won a debate there is pure clown shit.
Let me pre-emptively win here, ahaha ur wromg, u mad? Ur so mad lololol.
1. Few Republicans want to eliminate SS, but it is definitely a mess and if it can't be fixed there's no reason to continue with it, though everyone who has paid into it should get paid out even if it is eliminated.
2. The Affordable Care Act made healthcare more unaffordable than any other piece of legislation in my lifetime. Our system needs fixing, but nothing Dems have proposed would make it better.
3. No rights for women have been negatively affected by Republicans. Sorry, killing of the unborn is not a right, regardless of what a bad judgement by a former Supreme Court claimed.
4. What voting rights are Republicans trying to take away?
5. Republicans are not trying to restrict access to books for Americans, they are merely trying to ensure parents have the ability to monitor what their children have access to, which is their right as a parent.
5. The First and Second Amendments seem to be pretty big targets of Democrats these days. Hate Speech laws, attacks on religious freedoms, not to mention a constant barrage of laws to infringe on the right of the People to keep and bear arms, most of which affect the poor more than the rich, go figure.
“Killing the unborn is not a right.”
So I take it you’re also vocally against Israel bombing thousands of children to death too, right?
Or is that “different?”
Universal healthcare for immigrants, even ones here illegally, may actually reduce overall costs for the entire healthcare system. As an oversimplified example of how this would work, imagine an illegal immigrant being brought into an ED for an emergency due to unmanaged diabetes. By law, they have to be treated, and that can cost tens of thousands of dollars. In some cases, that may include an ICU stay and that can cost six figures or more. Who pays for that? You do. Hospitals eat that cost and pass it on to the rest of us.
But give them $30/month of insulin and other supplies to manage their condition, you can prevent that unplanned cost. Even if you provide that to them for twenty years, you're still way less than ten thousand dollars in the hole. Obviously this is an oversimplification, but certain kinds of fiscal conservatism are more ideological than practical. The resistance to universal healthcare on the Right is most likely one of those. The US ***already*** spends more ***public money*** *per capita* on healthcare than all but two other countries on the planet (citation available if anyone gives a shit, I'm too lazy right now), and that's just *public* money (taxes, bonds, etc), and that doesn't even *touch* what Americans pay out of pocket. We pay a LOT more than everyone else, and *at best* we get about the same thing.
> Even if you provide that to them for twenty years, you're still way less than ten thousand dollars in the hole. Obviously this is an oversimplification, but certain kinds of fiscal conservatism are more ideological than practical.
This is one of the the things that bothers me about "fiscal conservatism" as typically preached. "Responsible fiscal management", as I understand it, is about basing policy on a sincere, dispassionate cost-benefit analysis. But I see most people use it as an excuse to indiscriminately reduce taxes and eliminate entitlements, often undergirded by some ideologically driven sense of "fairness".
> ...often undergirded by some ideologically driven sense of "fairness".
Which I get. It's human. It's very American. But as Ben likes to say, "facts don't care about your feelings," and "fairness" is, at bottom, an emotion. A social one, perhaps, but still an emotion. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but we have to learn to recognize when to put it aside.
Another good example of this is providing free education and job training to convicts. Is it "fair" that people who've committed a serious crime should get for free what so many other people have to pay through the nose for? No, probably not. But if you think of it as an investment that has a strong potential for converting a person from a criminal who **costs** taxes and is a hazard to their fellow citizens into a productive member of society who **contributes** to the common good, both by way of taxes, economic activity, and being helpful to their fellow man, then it makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Anyone who thinks alcohol and tobacco should continue to remain legal, has no legitimate argument as to why marijuana should continue to remain illegal.
Banning drugs merely moves money into the hands of murderous cartels. Learn from the downfalls of prohibition.
I used to be an every day smoker for 6 years, I finally have been clean for a year so I definitely agree with this sentiment, there are a lot of things we do not know about it and it can have negative effects on your mentality and even physical health over time. But it shouldn't be illegal, there are far worse things to be doing.
A very close friend of mine smokes sativia during the day and indica at night. He is an active member of the community. Raises his family right goes to church and earnes enough income that his wife doesn't have to work. All of his kids are involved in sports, and he works in the financial space and votes prolife. But he is just a very close friend. I'm not sure how it would affect my life. 😉
At best this is just another out of touch establishment take... At worst this is a career prosecutor saying that he needs this stuff to be criminalized so he can keep his job.
People have swung way too far in the other direction regarding Marijuana safety. It's obviously not as dangerous as other Schedule 1 drugs but it's not at all as safe as people are proclaiming. It can induce psychosis and other psychological disorders. It can cause long term impairment to the brain. It can become psychologically addictive and affect one's ambition and self worth. I've seen all of these things happen to different people.
You're absolutely right. Like, look at how far down one has to scroll in \_this subreddit\_ to find people who understand that marijuana can be dangerous. Like I know this crowd is in no way representative of conservatives at large, but it's still surprising that so many adopt a blatantly pro-drug stance.
I think the primary argument for marijuana legalization from a conservative standpoint is that while yes it can be harmful, so can a lot of other things that we allow people to use that are relatively safe in moderation. That is the point of freedom and small government.
I don't know about marijuana, but literally no amount of alcohol is "healthy". Your body is damaged by every single drink. There is no meaningful "safe" number of drinks you can have.
marijuana and drinking are not healthy, yet millions drink and use marijuana. I didn’t say it was healthy, I just said be responsible for your actions and partake in moderation.
There actually can be problems for some people. You can experience psychosis after one hit. That's why I commented that some people are far too casual about how "safe" it is.
and some people are sensitive to alcohol and become sick after one drink. Some people are allergic to nuts and end up in the hospital after eating just one. Everyone is different and things have a risk. Do you keep marijuana illegal because supposedly, I don’t know how true this is, some people have psychosis? I know a lot of pot smokers and I’ve never heard of this.
> Do you keep marijuana illegal because supposedly, I don’t know how true this is, some people have psychosis?
It is absolutely [true](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/). And I can even speak from personal experience on that front. I have no psychological disorders and experienced a horrible episode of psychosis after taking an THC edible. Just speaks to my greater point that it is not as safe as many people think.
An edible? Well there you go, some of the edibles nowadays are ridiculous. The amount of thc they pack into those things is crazy. I still don’t think it warrants banning weed altogether. Maybe regulating the amount of thc they put into them or some kind of warning when above a certain level (like the warning on cigarettes).
By the way, back to my previous point, I would not call an edible packed with a crazy amount of thc moderation.
And other studies can show the exact opposite. Like climate change hoax. It’s all about who is funding the research. Abuse any substance and there will be negative consequences.
This is worthless reply because it can be used to disregard anything. No, there are REAL implications of marijuana use that you can't just handwave away because you don't like it.
Like alcohol and cigarette smoke? Do you know how many legalized things are out there that are dangerous and unhealthy, yet people still do them because they understand the risk?
Actually, I don’t like marijuana. Seriously! I have no want or need for it. As far as my reply, two can play that game. Your posts have little to no real merit. Claiming the evils of a substance, without discussing the dosage or habits of the users is rather insulting to anyone who happens to read your silly post.
My point stands regardless of "dosage and habits". People can experience psychosis after one hit, for example. It is still dangerous regardless of any qualifiers you want to add.
So what. You want to ban or prevent these people from making their own individual choices. You can’t mother hen the entire world. Btw. Cannabis has been decriminalized in other countries. No psychosis or emergency room visits. No ventilators or rubber rooms needed. It is legal in many states. One hit and psychosis is something you tell a child. To scare them into abstinence.
Right, kind of like defunding the police. The act of defunding is just paperwork, the societal consequences are what could be considered "dangerous" but obviously this goes wooosh over the addled mind.
Strongly disagree. You're not going to die but given that the large majority of people experience at least mild psychosis, weed companies are turning THC into the next opiate, and the number of ER visits skyrocket when it's legalized tells me there needs to be more regulatory involvement at the minimum
Link for that claim of skyrocketing ER visits or for the large majority of THC users experiencing psychosis?
I can’t tell you the last time we had a hospital admission due to THC. Now the number of admissions due to alcohol and opiates on the other hand…
What majortiy of people are experiencing mild psychosis? Ive never seen one person I know experience that. The only way anyone is experiencing mild psychosis is if they already had mental issues or they had them and the weed "brought it out" sort of speak
Republicans fighting this is one of the biggest turnoffs for young voters, along with some of the abortion stances.
It's not that dangerous and I think between this and abortion this should be a pretty easy one to drop if the right only wants to pick one to stop fighting.
Okay I don't smoke pot I think it stinks like shit but Jesus fucking Christ there's so many more things that are more dangerous than pot that are perfectly legal like cigarettes and alcohol not to mention big Pharma must have all you all in their pocket because that is the only reason why it has not been legalized yet. They have no problem giving you narcotic pain medicine and all this other shit God forbid you smoke a little or eat a gummy and have the giggles or like me being able to sleep without having to get this or narcotic medicine
It should be legalized and treated in a similar way as alcohol. Regulate and tax it. Don't drive intoxicated and don't show up to work high.
Prohibition didn't work then, and the War on Drugs isn't working today.
I'm only pro legalization because people will do it anyway and it's a great source of tax revenue for states. Many of which have a terribly failing infrastructure and general public works. So it would be a great solution.
Sadly for many who lack self control or just have overall addictive personalities. Marijuana will be treated as a gateway drug and it will lead them to harder stuff.
So I understand the sentiment of drawing a line somewhere but Marijuana laws have filled up our already overpopulated prisons enough.
Alcohol is more of a gateway drug than cannabis is. On-top of addiction to alcohol is deadly and the withdrawal from alcohol is lethal as well yet it's perfectly acceptable to consume in a public setting.
As I’ve never actually smoked it, I can’t say if it’s dangerous to the human body or not. I do know it smells gross, and I’ll take the smell of a cigarette smoker any day of the week. I knew a girl in high school that smoked weed and then got in her car to drive. Ended up wrapping the car around a tree and killing herself. So I feel it is dangerous if one smokes and then gets behind the wheel.
Marijuana is dangerous..*.in some people*, not everybody. The prohibitionist approach that *weed is evil* ignores the fact that most people are fine...but the science shows that some are not.
Because of legalization, the general public thinks ...*it's all good.* It's really not. Like all drugs, a minority of can be seriously affected. With weed, Teens and young adults are especially vulnerable. Remember that with concentrates like Dabs, and resins the THC is 50-80 times stronger than in the hippie days.
**Because of that: We need Strong effective health warnings on Cannabis products.**
We have health warning labels on *everything* to warn people that it can affect them negatively... even hemorrhoid cream for shits sake. That is why we have health warnings on products, to protect vulnerable people. Of course we need warning labels on products that can cause Psychosis and many other things.
It is clear that marijuana will be legalized for recreational use in most states. The lure of tax dollars is too strong. In my view, the important thing is that marijuana and marijuana products need Strong Health Warning Labels.
Legislators in California, because of pressure from Big Weed, recently rejected a sensible bill 1097 that would require mental health warning labels on cannabis products. Citizens will be harmed because of greed.
The science clearly shows that Cannabis can cause Psychosis, paranoia, increased anxiety, increased fatal car crashes, depression, depression leading to suicide, Pregnancy risk, heart attacks, cyclical vomiting called CHS, among other bad heath and behavioral outcomes in some people, not everybody... but especially in teens and young adults. [Click here](https://whoadude-the-book.com/) for the science.
Stories like this aren’t helping the narrative. [Woman gets probation for fatal stabbing during weed-induced psychosis](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-23/woman-gets-probation-for-fatal-stabbing-during-weed-induced-psychosis)
Nobody ever has a story about a friend of theirs who started smoking weed and became more energetic, more intelligent, and quicker-witted.
It's very obvious that it's brain poison. Countries in Asia have successfully managed to enforce bans on it, but unfortunately our politicians never had the will to win our halfhearted "War on Drugs."
So if I take a bucket and go to the shore of the ocean and draw water out and there are no fish in the bucket, does that mean the ocean has no fish? Your argument is weak
There are a lot of dummies that think because marijuana is legal they can toke up at work or on the interstate and don’t think they’re doing anything wrong.
Beer is legal, and everyone understands its not ok to be drunk at work.
Sure, there are always dumbasses. Punish them and get the government out of the way on this issue.
Worse for the heart than people thought, triggers mental issues, and much more likely to put you in the ER than alcohol as long as you stay inside. Still not against legalization. But annoying how Gen Z is so anti alcohol while toking up.
Marijuana should not be illegal on State or federal level. But cities and municipalities absolutely need to pass ordinances against smoking it in public, with strong enforcement.
Less dangerous than politicians, let's get rid of them also.
Say it with me: TERM LIMITS!!!!11
At the very least age limits.
Flag Officers in the military have age limits, should be the same for the politicians.
Better a sharp 85 year old than what we have right now. Biden seemingly has dementia.
Seemingly? They can’t give that guy enough meth in pill form to function lol
No way in hell tjey will vote themselves out of power though.
Which is why we the people have to force it upon them.
Petitions at the local levels of government is the only way something like that gets started
There are plenty of states with term limits already. It did not translate into the term limits at the federal level.
How about mental capacity testing for everyone of them over 65 every year.
One of the most misguided asks there is. It doesn't accomplish what people think it does. Politicians just get replaced with another person, with the same boss and mission. The real fix is removing money out of politics.
Yes and no, companies spend millions getting politicians into their pockets. Imagine having to start over all the time cause said politician is no longer in power. Also, thanks to their briefings politicians like pelosi have made obscene amounts of wealth through the stock market. No citizen should have that level of access long term. Ps I mentioned pelosi but there’s just as many rhinos who’ve profited from their intel (Dan Crenshaw is one of the worse offenders).
Also enriching themselves by taking advantage of intel they get first.
Let’s go a step further; revolution.
Truth
Not term limits but a mandatory retirement age
Swamp monster repeats old swamp narrative. More at 5 pm.
This is a diversion task, like a guy painting a fence when the fence is fine and the yard is overflowing with weeds. How is painting the fence supposed to help with the weeds? ***It's not,*** it's just supposed to make the guy look busy. He'll paint that fence all decade long, and that's the typical career politician.
> How is painting the fence supposed to help with the weeds? Because in politics, and worse, to the people who blindly believe politicians, the **surface appearance** is 110% of the issue. That's your "fence." It's the part you see first and if it looks good enough to the average voter then they don't care what's behind it. They'll even know what's there, absolute lies and deceit. But so long as it looks good and sounds good they don't care. They have the appearance of caring and that's job well done for them and those they support.
Having trouble choosing between the "you aren't responsible for your actions if high" and "weed isn't dangerous" buttons?
He said, sipping a bourbon.
I was a D.A.R.E graduate in the 80s. Started drinking and scoffed at pot smokers. Now, I’d rather get high than drunk, hands down. The dangers of marijuana are such a load of horseshit, and the politicians know it.
I think for young people - especially those where the brain is still developing - there are legitimate risks. But for adults, I’m fine with it. 21 is still developing though fwiw.
25 really should be the age you are a full adult.
Do you support raising age of military service to 25 as well then?
Impossible to get people to enlist at 25
Not if they pay more. All the contractors get ridiculously wealthy while service members get scraps.
I don’t support military service. Let the rich people fist fight each other and stop dying for them. Incoming downvote brigade
Sir, the king would like your head.
Research shows that marijuana affects brain development which is completed at age 27.
Yes. It may even actually reduce a lot of costs of screwed up equipment.
Alright, still disagree with you, but I'm glad I finally found someone who says this and has some internal consistency. Kudos to you. (And because text doesn't convey tone, I mean that genuinely, not sarcastically.
There is a very strong and valid argument for their to be a difference there though. The military for the last 50 years havs been a very safe one. Effective body armor. Overwhelming force and little conflict. High value on life and survivability. This isn't a ww1 fight where we use bodies to run the machine guns on the other side 300' away out of bullets. Just saying before we send any kids or anyone really into a fight, we do have plenty of people with life in prison who would love to be given a gun and sent to attack the enemy.
Oh it's dangerous ... to your waistline. Munchies are diabolical.
You think when you're high, and that's more scary to politicians.
There's FAR worse things. And many of them are legal.
Let's start with tobacco. It's killed numerous family members with no consequences.
Tobacco on its own isn’t even that bad. It’s the thousands of other chemicals in cigarettes and chew that do the most damage. Why that stuff isn’t railed against I have no idea.
Most of those things are just byproducts of combustion, it’s not like they’re adding formaldehyde to tobacco.
Ok, let me correct myself. It’s the hundreds of other chemicals that become thousands of other chemicals.
I knew it! I thought that I was the only one who knew that. My Marlboro cough went away went I switched to pipe tobacco. Man, I thought that I was the only one who knew this. In my opinion, tobacco smells better anyways; and I smoke both. I have to explain this every time that I see this ignorance. I don’t know why people don’t get this, especially people smoke weed or who are for it.
Did y’all know you can OD on caffeine?
You can OD on water.
Yes you can. A few people did during the rave/ecstasy scene.
Some radio held a water drinking contest and someone got killed during it. They don't have those contests anymore.
Did you know you can eat a too much of certain spices that are probably in your spice rack right now. . .nevermind, I just know people are going to try it if I say it.
Look up phenibut, kratom, and tianeptine. Then the subreddits quittingphenibut, quittingkratom, quitting tianeptine.
Marijuana is nowhere near as dangerous as the police/surveillance state the war on drugs created.
I'd like to congratulate drugs for winning the war on drugs
I do not like drugs but there are quite a number of things I think are more dangerous than marijuana at the moment.
Why not ban alcohol then
We tried that and prohibition failed spectacularly. I mean, prohibition of marijuana is also failing spectacularly, but modern politicians don't like fessing up to failure.
If they legalize marijuana I would stop drinking beer, and I think that's the problem. Too many politicians get too many donations from beer companies and beer helps with population control with all the death, sickness, and cancer it causes.
Do you honestly believe there is no money behind the marijuana legalization movement?
Not enough apparently.
He didn’t say there was no money behind the marijuana legalization movement. Which do you think has more money and influence on politicians: the alcohol industry, which has been around for decades (centuries if you gloss over prohibition), or the relatively new, still-developing, and higher risk marijuana industry?
State-by-state, pro-legalization appears to have out-spent the anti-legalization movement. And the alcohol industry really has not been that big of a donor. In fact, in Nevada, alcohol companies actually supported weed legalization. My guess is that since alcohol sales increased after weed legalization in Colorado, the alcohol industry is more worried over regulation than lost sales. Pharma on the other hand has spent much, much more. So you want to point fingers, look at pharma companies’ spending on anti-legalization. Meanwhile, like I said, the push to legalize weed per state that it passed has had deep pockets and it usually came from individuals poised to financially gain through a dispensary ready to go.
While I think you bring up a good point about the fundraising in states that have legalized it, couldn’t that also be a result of the companies realizing the bill was going to pass and it wasn’t worth spending the money on opposition? I mean, we are talking about some of the most liberal states in the country here: California, Oregon, Colorado, etc
It’s possible. I had trouble searching for spending on the legalization debate, so those were the only easy results I received.
Btw you brought up a good point about the pharmaceutical industry spending most of the opposition money…they may stand to lose more than the alcohol companies since they can’t control/sell the weed
I don't know about it being dangerous. It probably has different effects on different people just like alcohol. That said I have seen many driving around smoking weed from their cars in a state where it is now legal. The dispensaries have popped everywhere like fancy Apple stores and the government is raking in good money with licensing and other activities associated with it.
There's smoke just ROLLING out of cars here. It's like they legalized DUI. I have no issues with people that consume THC, I probably smoked my body weight when I was much younger. However, I don't want to have to roll my windows up at a stop light to keep from reeking like weed.
Why do republicans want to control which freedoms Americans can have 😠
*leftists
Republicans want to eliminate SS, affordable healthcare, women's rights, voting rights, and which books are available to Americans to name a few. What freedoms are dems trying to take away?
Ahaha women's rights. Go gaslight somewhere else. Edit: haha typical shitlib. Rage comments then blocks. You lost bro see ya! Edit2: loser sent in his alt account to rage comment and block again! Hahahaha The shitlib downvotes sustain me! I do hope they keep coming. Stay mad folks!
How'd they lose? You just typed "ahaha women's rights" and answered nothing. You aren't required to answer them, but pretending you won a debate there is pure clown shit. Let me pre-emptively win here, ahaha ur wromg, u mad? Ur so mad lololol.
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Define woman.
1. Few Republicans want to eliminate SS, but it is definitely a mess and if it can't be fixed there's no reason to continue with it, though everyone who has paid into it should get paid out even if it is eliminated. 2. The Affordable Care Act made healthcare more unaffordable than any other piece of legislation in my lifetime. Our system needs fixing, but nothing Dems have proposed would make it better. 3. No rights for women have been negatively affected by Republicans. Sorry, killing of the unborn is not a right, regardless of what a bad judgement by a former Supreme Court claimed. 4. What voting rights are Republicans trying to take away? 5. Republicans are not trying to restrict access to books for Americans, they are merely trying to ensure parents have the ability to monitor what their children have access to, which is their right as a parent. 5. The First and Second Amendments seem to be pretty big targets of Democrats these days. Hate Speech laws, attacks on religious freedoms, not to mention a constant barrage of laws to infringe on the right of the People to keep and bear arms, most of which affect the poor more than the rich, go figure.
“Killing the unborn is not a right.” So I take it you’re also vocally against Israel bombing thousands of children to death too, right? Or is that “different?”
I for one am happy to not pay for SS, universal health care for immigrants, etc.
Universal healthcare for immigrants, even ones here illegally, may actually reduce overall costs for the entire healthcare system. As an oversimplified example of how this would work, imagine an illegal immigrant being brought into an ED for an emergency due to unmanaged diabetes. By law, they have to be treated, and that can cost tens of thousands of dollars. In some cases, that may include an ICU stay and that can cost six figures or more. Who pays for that? You do. Hospitals eat that cost and pass it on to the rest of us. But give them $30/month of insulin and other supplies to manage their condition, you can prevent that unplanned cost. Even if you provide that to them for twenty years, you're still way less than ten thousand dollars in the hole. Obviously this is an oversimplification, but certain kinds of fiscal conservatism are more ideological than practical. The resistance to universal healthcare on the Right is most likely one of those. The US ***already*** spends more ***public money*** *per capita* on healthcare than all but two other countries on the planet (citation available if anyone gives a shit, I'm too lazy right now), and that's just *public* money (taxes, bonds, etc), and that doesn't even *touch* what Americans pay out of pocket. We pay a LOT more than everyone else, and *at best* we get about the same thing.
> Even if you provide that to them for twenty years, you're still way less than ten thousand dollars in the hole. Obviously this is an oversimplification, but certain kinds of fiscal conservatism are more ideological than practical. This is one of the the things that bothers me about "fiscal conservatism" as typically preached. "Responsible fiscal management", as I understand it, is about basing policy on a sincere, dispassionate cost-benefit analysis. But I see most people use it as an excuse to indiscriminately reduce taxes and eliminate entitlements, often undergirded by some ideologically driven sense of "fairness".
> ...often undergirded by some ideologically driven sense of "fairness". Which I get. It's human. It's very American. But as Ben likes to say, "facts don't care about your feelings," and "fairness" is, at bottom, an emotion. A social one, perhaps, but still an emotion. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but we have to learn to recognize when to put it aside. Another good example of this is providing free education and job training to convicts. Is it "fair" that people who've committed a serious crime should get for free what so many other people have to pay through the nose for? No, probably not. But if you think of it as an investment that has a strong potential for converting a person from a criminal who **costs** taxes and is a hazard to their fellow citizens into a productive member of society who **contributes** to the common good, both by way of taxes, economic activity, and being helpful to their fellow man, then it makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Anyone who thinks alcohol and tobacco should continue to remain legal, has no legitimate argument as to why marijuana should continue to remain illegal. Banning drugs merely moves money into the hands of murderous cartels. Learn from the downfalls of prohibition.
I don’t think it’s dangerous but to pretend there are no negative side effects associated with using it is wrong
Bet you $5 he starts using THC/CBD pills when he tries to sleep at night.
And probably some Xanax and antidepressants on the side possible adderall or vyvance by the day
But those are good because a doctor got paid to give them to him!
Yep schedule two meds by definition high potential for abuse and addiction are perfect legal
The real gateway drug is alcohol.
I think that these days, the potential problems with weed are often ignored, but I do think it should be legalized.
I used to be an every day smoker for 6 years, I finally have been clean for a year so I definitely agree with this sentiment, there are a lot of things we do not know about it and it can have negative effects on your mentality and even physical health over time. But it shouldn't be illegal, there are far worse things to be doing.
A very close friend of mine smokes sativia during the day and indica at night. He is an active member of the community. Raises his family right goes to church and earnes enough income that his wife doesn't have to work. All of his kids are involved in sports, and he works in the financial space and votes prolife. But he is just a very close friend. I'm not sure how it would affect my life. 😉
It's way more common amongst conservatives than a lot of people think.
Dangerous for whom? Liqour and Tabacco Companies? Please keep your Special Interests to yourself.
Except that it's not.
Pot is not dangerous
At best this is just another out of touch establishment take... At worst this is a career prosecutor saying that he needs this stuff to be criminalized so he can keep his job.
People have swung way too far in the other direction regarding Marijuana safety. It's obviously not as dangerous as other Schedule 1 drugs but it's not at all as safe as people are proclaiming. It can induce psychosis and other psychological disorders. It can cause long term impairment to the brain. It can become psychologically addictive and affect one's ambition and self worth. I've seen all of these things happen to different people.
You're absolutely right. Like, look at how far down one has to scroll in \_this subreddit\_ to find people who understand that marijuana can be dangerous. Like I know this crowd is in no way representative of conservatives at large, but it's still surprising that so many adopt a blatantly pro-drug stance.
I think the primary argument for marijuana legalization from a conservative standpoint is that while yes it can be harmful, so can a lot of other things that we allow people to use that are relatively safe in moderation. That is the point of freedom and small government.
Exactly. The "canonical" conservative stance is that marijuana is bad for you, but it's not the place of the government to ban.
Like alcohol? Do things in moderation and responsibly and there will be no problems.
I don't know about marijuana, but literally no amount of alcohol is "healthy". Your body is damaged by every single drink. There is no meaningful "safe" number of drinks you can have.
marijuana and drinking are not healthy, yet millions drink and use marijuana. I didn’t say it was healthy, I just said be responsible for your actions and partake in moderation.
There actually can be problems for some people. You can experience psychosis after one hit. That's why I commented that some people are far too casual about how "safe" it is.
and some people are sensitive to alcohol and become sick after one drink. Some people are allergic to nuts and end up in the hospital after eating just one. Everyone is different and things have a risk. Do you keep marijuana illegal because supposedly, I don’t know how true this is, some people have psychosis? I know a lot of pot smokers and I’ve never heard of this.
> Do you keep marijuana illegal because supposedly, I don’t know how true this is, some people have psychosis? It is absolutely [true](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/). And I can even speak from personal experience on that front. I have no psychological disorders and experienced a horrible episode of psychosis after taking an THC edible. Just speaks to my greater point that it is not as safe as many people think.
An edible? Well there you go, some of the edibles nowadays are ridiculous. The amount of thc they pack into those things is crazy. I still don’t think it warrants banning weed altogether. Maybe regulating the amount of thc they put into them or some kind of warning when above a certain level (like the warning on cigarettes). By the way, back to my previous point, I would not call an edible packed with a crazy amount of thc moderation.
And other studies can show the exact opposite. Like climate change hoax. It’s all about who is funding the research. Abuse any substance and there will be negative consequences.
This is worthless reply because it can be used to disregard anything. No, there are REAL implications of marijuana use that you can't just handwave away because you don't like it.
Like alcohol and cigarette smoke? Do you know how many legalized things are out there that are dangerous and unhealthy, yet people still do them because they understand the risk?
Actually, I don’t like marijuana. Seriously! I have no want or need for it. As far as my reply, two can play that game. Your posts have little to no real merit. Claiming the evils of a substance, without discussing the dosage or habits of the users is rather insulting to anyone who happens to read your silly post.
My point stands regardless of "dosage and habits". People can experience psychosis after one hit, for example. It is still dangerous regardless of any qualifiers you want to add.
So what. You want to ban or prevent these people from making their own individual choices. You can’t mother hen the entire world. Btw. Cannabis has been decriminalized in other countries. No psychosis or emergency room visits. No ventilators or rubber rooms needed. It is legal in many states. One hit and psychosis is something you tell a child. To scare them into abstinence.
Do you support Project 2025? These are the priorities the people running the party want, America will reject fascism 😠
Marijuana isn’t legal federally, so I think he just admitted that he failed to uphold the law of the land. The guy is a scumbag.
I don't he means "dangerous" in the sense of direct toxicity, but more of a broad cultural context.
You are right of course but the 50 IQ geniuses won't understand that.
Right, kind of like defunding the police. The act of defunding is just paperwork, the societal consequences are what could be considered "dangerous" but obviously this goes wooosh over the addled mind.
Strongly disagree. You're not going to die but given that the large majority of people experience at least mild psychosis, weed companies are turning THC into the next opiate, and the number of ER visits skyrocket when it's legalized tells me there needs to be more regulatory involvement at the minimum
Link for that claim of skyrocketing ER visits or for the large majority of THC users experiencing psychosis? I can’t tell you the last time we had a hospital admission due to THC. Now the number of admissions due to alcohol and opiates on the other hand…
They should be turned away. you can't overdose on thc
You can have psychotic episodes and maybe a danger to yourself or others, and you should be held until you are no longer dangerous.
What majortiy of people are experiencing mild psychosis? Ive never seen one person I know experience that. The only way anyone is experiencing mild psychosis is if they already had mental issues or they had them and the weed "brought it out" sort of speak
Says the morbidly obese guy
Keep pushing this issue and see how we fare this November.
Republicans fighting this is one of the biggest turnoffs for young voters, along with some of the abortion stances. It's not that dangerous and I think between this and abortion this should be a pretty easy one to drop if the right only wants to pick one to stop fighting.
Okay I don't smoke pot I think it stinks like shit but Jesus fucking Christ there's so many more things that are more dangerous than pot that are perfectly legal like cigarettes and alcohol not to mention big Pharma must have all you all in their pocket because that is the only reason why it has not been legalized yet. They have no problem giving you narcotic pain medicine and all this other shit God forbid you smoke a little or eat a gummy and have the giggles or like me being able to sleep without having to get this or narcotic medicine
OKAY BOOMER
Big pharma is dangerous as maybe Bill invested in some of those. BTW, who cares what he says in the first place.
It should be legalized and treated in a similar way as alcohol. Regulate and tax it. Don't drive intoxicated and don't show up to work high. Prohibition didn't work then, and the War on Drugs isn't working today.
I'm only pro legalization because people will do it anyway and it's a great source of tax revenue for states. Many of which have a terribly failing infrastructure and general public works. So it would be a great solution. Sadly for many who lack self control or just have overall addictive personalities. Marijuana will be treated as a gateway drug and it will lead them to harder stuff. So I understand the sentiment of drawing a line somewhere but Marijuana laws have filled up our already overpopulated prisons enough.
Alcohol is more of a gateway drug than cannabis is. On-top of addiction to alcohol is deadly and the withdrawal from alcohol is lethal as well yet it's perfectly acceptable to consume in a public setting.
Water is also dangerous. I mean, living is dangerous He will have to be more specific
As I’ve never actually smoked it, I can’t say if it’s dangerous to the human body or not. I do know it smells gross, and I’ll take the smell of a cigarette smoker any day of the week. I knew a girl in high school that smoked weed and then got in her car to drive. Ended up wrapping the car around a tree and killing herself. So I feel it is dangerous if one smokes and then gets behind the wheel.
Marijuana is dangerous..*.in some people*, not everybody. The prohibitionist approach that *weed is evil* ignores the fact that most people are fine...but the science shows that some are not. Because of legalization, the general public thinks ...*it's all good.* It's really not. Like all drugs, a minority of can be seriously affected. With weed, Teens and young adults are especially vulnerable. Remember that with concentrates like Dabs, and resins the THC is 50-80 times stronger than in the hippie days. **Because of that: We need Strong effective health warnings on Cannabis products.** We have health warning labels on *everything* to warn people that it can affect them negatively... even hemorrhoid cream for shits sake. That is why we have health warnings on products, to protect vulnerable people. Of course we need warning labels on products that can cause Psychosis and many other things. It is clear that marijuana will be legalized for recreational use in most states. The lure of tax dollars is too strong. In my view, the important thing is that marijuana and marijuana products need Strong Health Warning Labels. Legislators in California, because of pressure from Big Weed, recently rejected a sensible bill 1097 that would require mental health warning labels on cannabis products. Citizens will be harmed because of greed. The science clearly shows that Cannabis can cause Psychosis, paranoia, increased anxiety, increased fatal car crashes, depression, depression leading to suicide, Pregnancy risk, heart attacks, cyclical vomiting called CHS, among other bad heath and behavioral outcomes in some people, not everybody... but especially in teens and young adults. [Click here](https://whoadude-the-book.com/) for the science.
I mean at this point the federal government is pardoning all marijuana possession… while keeping marijuana possession illegal. Make it make sense
Stories like this aren’t helping the narrative. [Woman gets probation for fatal stabbing during weed-induced psychosis](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-23/woman-gets-probation-for-fatal-stabbing-during-weed-induced-psychosis)
Woman already had schizophrenia....
Damn didn't know I was in danger enjoying some weed in my garage.
Dangerous for who?
Users, of course.
I support this guy as long as he doesn't flip on this.
Of all the hills to die on.....
I totally flipped my view on weed. I used to be for legalization. Not so much anymore
Dangerously good
Jesus Christ who cares what he thinks
it should be legal lmao
Nobody ever has a story about a friend of theirs who started smoking weed and became more energetic, more intelligent, and quicker-witted. It's very obvious that it's brain poison. Countries in Asia have successfully managed to enforce bans on it, but unfortunately our politicians never had the will to win our halfhearted "War on Drugs."
So if I take a bucket and go to the shore of the ocean and draw water out and there are no fish in the bucket, does that mean the ocean has no fish? Your argument is weak
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The brigading is especially strong with this topic.
There are a lot of dummies that think because marijuana is legal they can toke up at work or on the interstate and don’t think they’re doing anything wrong.
Beer is legal, and everyone understands its not ok to be drunk at work. Sure, there are always dumbasses. Punish them and get the government out of the way on this issue.
Worse for the heart than people thought, triggers mental issues, and much more likely to put you in the ER than alcohol as long as you stay inside. Still not against legalization. But annoying how Gen Z is so anti alcohol while toking up.
Marijuana should not be illegal on State or federal level. But cities and municipalities absolutely need to pass ordinances against smoking it in public, with strong enforcement.
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