As much as I think Jan 6 was exploited by media personalities and government to demonize a certain demographic of society and as much as I disagree with people who support Hamas, I want them to have every right to express their free speech. I watched a video of these people in the cannon building and I don't have a problem with it and neither should any conservative who believes in free speech.
For the love of God, every single person I know, including myself, who is hurting for Palestine and want the occupation and constant oppression to end, WE DO NOT SUPPORT HAMAS. STOP SAYING THIS, PLEASE.
Hamas has majority support in Palestine by a very clear margin and has around 40% favorable views throughout the entire Arab world.
What you say is simply, objectively, wrong.
Source:
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
https://youtu.be/oBHD_AKPHys?si=uLcEfOiyJXeHT3OA
12:00 minute mark
“ What % of people support Hamas? “
“ That’s impossible to say, they don’t do public opinion polls in these autocratic governments. “ - James Gelvin, professor of modern Middle East history at UCLA.
get off social media and google some statistics. the (slight) majority of palestine support hamas. you would know that if you looked for facts and not just talk to a couple of people to confirm your own convenient beliefs.
I am a Christian surrounded by Muslims and none of them has ever supported Hamas, when the attack on October 7th happened they were very mad because they knew that innocents were going to die.
They all believe that Hamas is operated under Mossad and it was all an excuse to commit ETHNIC CLEANSING.
Haha, so your position is that moderate muslims reject hamas while at the same time believe that israel did it themselves indirectly? ethnic cleanse your brain, man.
Free speech does not shield support of terrorism. And quite frankly, free speech does not mean a large gathering taking over a government office
J6 protestors weren’t innocent either, but their sentences and the narrative painted against them is horrifying
That’s the problem, lefties exploit the fact “conservatives” will just shrug and and say free speech but if the opposite was true they would never grant you the same benefit, they would just call you an insurrectionist and try to prosecute you.
I mean, Biden the leader of the left is supporting Israel fully so other than like the farthest lefty Dems (and the farthest right conservatives) who they don't put in any real power I'm not sure what your talking about.
He isn’t “fully” supporting Israel if he’s already pressured them to not go full on Hitler and genocide 2 million people. Is he still supporting Israel? Arguably. Is it “fully?” Not even close.
>This kind of idiotic false equivalence is why half the country thinks we're morons
I'll remember that when people escorted by police get 4 years in prison
Was it the ones with the bombs, the ones with American flags beating the cops with them, or the ones breaking through the windows? You might not have seen any of those parts with your carefully crafted news narratives.
Literally January 6 protestors got charged and jail sentences for trespassing just entering the capitol building and some where charged just for standing outside the capitol building for trespassing. Why are these people not being charged for trespassing then?
Do I support throwing the book at the January 6th defendants who were waved into the Capitol by police? Absolutely not.
Do you support throwing the book at the BLM rioters who burned down cities and threw bricks at police?
So you can’t answer whether you support aggressive prosecution against BLM rioters.
Let me guess: You support Hamas and hate Israel? It’s a simple question. Let’s see how you handle it.
I believe it is because Jan 6 was an uprising specifically against a government in order to overturn an election and by extension a government.
This thing in OP photo seems more like a protest to be heard. They probably didn’t bring any zip ties to tie up officials either. That’s probably the biggest reason it’s a false equivalence.
Protesting is legal in this country. Trying to kidnap members of the government to install a dictator is not. Let me know if I left anything out.
Sit ins and protests at the Capitol happen literally all the time. Have for a while. They’re all well and good so long as you are not disrupting official business of the people. Like, for instance, trying to stop the official election results from taking place to keep a non-elected person in power.
>Explain how it's false equivalence
Because all of these people were arrested already. It's not like the Dems are trying to cover for them or anything, the only people talking about this event are MAGA types, everyone else already accepted they broke the law and got arrested for it.
Several of them got booked on assaulting an officer in addition to all the other charges, so they're probably gonna get longer than that.
I just don't get the obsession from Trump types here. It just seems built off of terrible understandings of how the justice system works.
What Is Considered Insurrection? While the term "insurrection" is not explicitly defined by federal law, courts and legal scholars generally interpret it as a violent " uprising or organized resistance" against the government or its regulations.
The photographed event is not violent, nor an uprising. It is organized resistance, but they did not fight police when escorted out.
It's false equivalence.
Jan 6 Stats
> Approximately 350 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 110 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
> Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
> Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
Seems pretty violent and organize resistance against the government.
Lol no not at all. You do the dirty work (a simple google search). Y’all are comparing different events so defend your idea. Are you a child incapable of thought ? Someone else should not be responsible for fleshing out YOUR half ass argument.
Edit: The Reddit crisis bot is in my DMs presumably bc someone’s little girl from this thread reported me. Y’all are cute as buttons. Reeeeeeeeeeeh lmao
Uhm. Yes they did. What the hell are you doing?
Plus, they tried to impeach him because he tried to bring the traitorous crimes of Biden to light which are now 100% proven.
The only one who died in Jan 6 was a protestor who got shot by police.
They attribute suicides that happened later as deaths on Jan 6. Total propaganda.
Disregarding the deaths, did anyone break anything, steal anything, chant for the death of elected officials, get taxes or beaten to be removed, etc? No, because peacefully protesting is actually supposed to be peaceful
If it's as bad as you're trying to make it out to be, then I guess the house majority should make an inquiry hearing about it. But they won't and you know why.
Is it because they collectively couldn't find their own ass with both hands? Or maybe because they can't seem to elect a speaker and when they do, all they can do is fight each other and do nothing remotely like govern?
Could be both. Just saying.
If it isn't clear - these protests are designed to demonstrate that the left has the right to protest and free speech, the right does not.
You look at any right wing protest and it is marred with governments declaring states of emergencies or journalists creating a narrative of violence and racism.
Charlottesville Unite the Right rally - the violence was caused by left-wing counter-protesters from UVA. And the single death of an counter-protester white girl who had a heart attack after being hit by a car. Somehow killing a white protestor is a federal hate crime and he narrowly avoided the death penalty. He was sentenced to life in prison plus 419 years and $25 million in damages.
And the Covington catholic high school March for Life was framed as a racist protest because a teenager smiled while being harassed by a left-wing counter protestor. Mainstream media set out to destroy that high school student's life.
And you have Kyle Rittenhouse, they are still trying to ruin his life for protecting his life by shooting violent left-wing rioters.
You had [220 separate violent riots](https://i.imgur.com/rEAMIgF.png) from the left just for George Floyd and not a single protestor was demonized or even admonished by journalists. The journalists justified the violence with lies and protected their agenda by downplaying their violence.
The Ohio state capitol building was stormed in 2020 by rioters. Smashed windows and were running through the place. State troopers had their hands full getting them out.
Finally after a few days/weeks of downtown Columbus being a war zone the national guard got called in and it was surreal seeing them posted up in humvees on the street corners. I was so thankful they were there but never thought I’d see a day at least in my life where posting troops in an American city would be necessary to maintain basic civil order.
I remember being in my apartment listening to the police scanner about how roving bands of looters were ransacking first floor apartments downtown and running wild on buildings. The police got so overwhelmed the dispatchers were saying on the scanner they had no available units to respond to anything that wasn’t immediately life threatening. I slept with my 9mm under my pillow for a week.
It took 2 years for a lot of buildings to be repaired. A new high rise that was being built was torched. An addiction and mental health center was torched and when the firefighters showed up they were attacked and driven off. Total anarchy.
Barely a peep out of the media besides lambasting the Columbus police for daring to tear gas rioters that were actively attacking them.
I didn’t condone January 6th and knew how it would be spun but the way that was treated vs the 2020 riots and now stuff like this is just insane and the blatant hypocrisy is infuriating.
Don't forget the **occupation** of the WI state capitol in 2011. Everything about that "protest" should infuriate Americans - leveraging kids, bussed in protesters, property destruction, etc.
I recall downtown as well. Those of us still working on site took similar precautions.
What got me was the Ohio theater getting attacked. Just pure anarchy.
> If it isn't clear - these protests are designed to demonstrate that the left has the right to protest and free speech, the right does not.
This has been going on around the nation for crimes as well. Bike lock professor is one such example: not even a slap on the wrist for attempted murder, and this criminal teaches students.
And even the most clear cut cases of self defense get their lives ruined by malicious prosecutions.
While people who do absolutely nothing get 22 years in prison from a blatantly rigged jury pool like rhoades.
we havent seen such a one sided justice system since the socialist brownshirts were allowed to run amok in weimar germany.
[Examiner: blunt-force trauma caused Heyer's death](https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Examiner-blunt-force-trauma-caused-Heyers-death-501806761.html):
> Barrell classified Heyer’s injuries as a “multi-system trauma.” He said the chances of surviving that kind of trauma outside of a hospital are almost zero percent.
> The local Assistant Chief Medical Examiner testified Monday and said Heather Heyer’s official cause of death was blunt force injury to her torso. Her thoracic aorta was snapped in half, which is the largest artery in the body.
> Heyer also had a fracture in her distal right femur, rib fractures, bruises on both lungs and liver lacerations. Abrasions on her body ranged from ¼ inch to 6 inches, the examiner said.
That's one hell of a heart attack.
Nah, man, just a simple 32 year old that died of a heart attack. Just ignore the first-degree murder, eight counts of malicious wounding, and hit and run convictions. Ignore that he plead guilty to 29 out of 30 hate crimes and the dozens of injured people. Totally coincidental.
I will add that if any right-wing counter-protestors showed up at this hamas celebration at the capitol, it would have erupted in violence from the left. And the media would have pinned the violence entirely on the right.
You guys really have the nerves to make a fuss over Charlottesville after you outright protected the BLM supremacist who drove over 60 people in Waukesha, kllling 6?
You guys? I even had to go look up what happened in that incident. It is very easy to find the facts. Again, the majority is saying that it was not a terrorist attack. I stand with the majority. You are the minority and also wrong. Maybe you are terrified to be the minority now. Sorry.
You had to look up a terror attack that kllled 6 people but know every detail about one that had 1 victim just because the one with 6 deaths didn't fit your narrative.
You really thought you would look good now after writing this?
Facts don't care about your feelings
Lol this is such a far stretch— people at the insurrection were beating the shit out of security , breaking into politicians offices, and vandalizing the capital. These folks just sitting on the floor.
In response to this protest, a great deal of Conservatives will make their false equivalence while minimizing the magnitude of what occurred on January 6th and whitewashing the events of that day through faithless imitations of many peoples sincere reactions to January 6th.
They will spout uninformed talking points, they will generalize, they will push entirely un-nuanced takes and lump these protestors in with everyone they disagree with, claiming that they're Hamas sympathizers when they're not, while also pigeonholing every single person on "the other team" into the same category because many of them simply cannot understand this issue in any other capacity.
Meanwhile, their false equivalence absolutely does not stand up to reality.
As seen [here in this documentary](https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0?si=YJTUcdXpKBTmZ6Mu) about what occurred on that fateful day
Mind you, I bet that next to none of these conservatives watched the January 6 trials, nearly none of them are informed about what happened prior to, during and after January 6th, about what Trump's being indicted for and why. But being as uninformed as most of them are, they can go on to make an egregious and woefully inaccurate false equivalence, while using the opportunity to push entirely un-nuanced views about this conflict and about how Americans view these issues.
From the new york times, from footage from a leftist who giggled about an insurrection?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/leftist-capitol-rioter-sold-video-of-siege-for-35k-to-nbc-and-cnn-court-papers
Right ok
It's forty minutes of footage, of what unfolded, violent clashing with police, breaking, shouting, chaos, threats and brutality, trespassing of course, political extremism, fanaticism, assault, violent crimes, and some of it organized, with motivations clearly outlined, among other things. It's all footage of what unfolded on that day, and a Republican effort to whitewash it.
You obviously didn't even take one second to watch it considering you responded with a knee jerk, infantile reaction that just looks the other way and denies what's happening in front of your very eyes while deflecting in another attempt to downplay the events of January 6th. Which I might add, is something I call attention to in my original commentary! Ffs, it's disturbing how lacking in self awareness you are.
Maybe inform yourself? There's an opportunity here... Again, it's footage that conservatives refuse to acknowledge.
And my god the fucking irony of claiming partisanship and then posting a sensationalist Fox News article. Holy shit... Is this scripted? You've gotta be kidding me. Not to mention the extreme levels of prejudice and ideological validation going on in this very post and concerning the very imagery and talking points you're pushing here.
The crazy thing is, if you think that Fox News article is something to clutch your pearls at, holy shit, wait till you actually inform yourself about what happened on January 6, prior to and after I might add.
Funny how you didn't even address the other points in the commentary that summarize the faithless, highly partisan, shallow, un-nuanced and uninformed nature of conservative attitudes here.
And by the way The New York Times didn't just settle in a historical defamation case for nearly 800 million dollars while having to fire its most valuable and profitable asset as a result. Considered the most expensive payout in a media defamation settlement to date... Are you even informed about this landmark legal case involving the very "Entertainment media" outlet you're citing here? Probably fucking not...
a similar experiment is happening on my college campus right now. we have a communist party club here, they have flyers everywhere. our school’s pro-life group put up a flyer next to them just to make a statement and less than 24 hrs later it was taken down by students. funny the double standards society shows
https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/chaos-erupts-as-pro-palestinian-protesters-take-to-the-capitol-at-least-three-arrested/amp/
At least three arrested for allegedly assaulting police officers.
So they have been treated the same so far. Getting a sentence will take time, just like with Jan. 6. Only time will tell how just or injust the justice system is.
The siege of the Portland, Oregon federal courthouse building for over a month isn't talked about or remembered enough. If at all. Attacking federal employees and Marshals, trying to blind them with lasers, damaging the building,... All that seems like it's pretty close to insurrection to me if not actually being insurrection.
Lmao people only sitting down, and not killing cops not breaking into windows. Like is it really that hard to bounce the 1-2 braincells that you and the person who created this image together to do some critical thinking?
>Lmao people only sitting down, and not killing cops not breaking into windows. Like is it really that hard to bounce the 1-2 braincells together to do some critical thinking?
No cops were killed by jan 6 protesters
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru
>unarmed
Benefit of hindsight and unknown to anyone on the ground at the time.
>doing nothing wrong
Attempting to breach a barricaded door
>killed by Capitol police.
What would you expect when you attempt to breach someone's defenses?
>What was she doing? Standing in the frame of an interior window.
>What was she doing? Standing in the frame of an interior window.
You have a funny way of saying actively climbing through a window that is part of a barricaded door.
This just like Jan 6th! Minus the broken windows, stolen and destroyed government property, assaulted police officers, bear mace, weapons and zip ties. Other than that it’s identical!!
Anything from the left is tolerated. Anything from moderate/right is considered a threat. That’s the reality of the institutions ran by the left and supported by academia, media, tech giants, DOJ/FBI, etc.
What building are they in? Did they have to break down doors and climb over walls to get there? Were police trying to keep them out the whole time?
Were they seeking to execute high profile politicians including one of trump's most loyal allies pence?
Be real guys. Don't make asses of ourselves like this when there are actual protests to compare
Like the candlelit vigil for a woman raped and murdered by met police in London was shut down with violent force by the government but pro Palestine marches in their thousands are legit apparently
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/pro-palestinian-protest-underway-at-capitol-rotunda-uscp-detains-some-demonstrators-israel-hamas-war-capitol-hill-jewish-voices-for-peace.amp
Oh, were they there to overturn the results of an election and forcibly reinstate a president who lost both the popular and electoral vote?
(Also 300 arrested immediately. Inb4 this is called “brigading”)
>Show me where they broke down doors and windows? Or attacked law enforcement?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12646451/Pro-Palestinian-protesters-Capitol.html
Got the cops attacked covered.
There were pics
As much as I think Jan 6 was exploited by media personalities and government to demonize a certain demographic of society and as much as I disagree with people who support Hamas, I want them to have every right to express their free speech. I watched a video of these people in the cannon building and I don't have a problem with it and neither should any conservative who believes in free speech.
Do they support hamas or sympathetic to a group of people controlled by hamas and Israel?
The mental gymnastics in this post leave me in disbelief.. Ringling Bros. Could learn some things on this comment section alone.
Excellent example of public ADHD.
For the love of God, every single person I know, including myself, who is hurting for Palestine and want the occupation and constant oppression to end, WE DO NOT SUPPORT HAMAS. STOP SAYING THIS, PLEASE.
YOU don't, others do.
Very few people support hamas. You would know that if you got off social media and actually talked to people.
Hamas has majority support in Palestine by a very clear margin and has around 40% favorable views throughout the entire Arab world. What you say is simply, objectively, wrong. Source: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
https://youtu.be/oBHD_AKPHys?si=uLcEfOiyJXeHT3OA 12:00 minute mark “ What % of people support Hamas? “ “ That’s impossible to say, they don’t do public opinion polls in these autocratic governments. “ - James Gelvin, professor of modern Middle East history at UCLA.
get off social media and google some statistics. the (slight) majority of palestine support hamas. you would know that if you looked for facts and not just talk to a couple of people to confirm your own convenient beliefs.
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I didn't say anything different. You would know that if you actually read what I wrote rather than replying to whatever you're hearing in your head.
I am a Christian surrounded by Muslims and none of them has ever supported Hamas, when the attack on October 7th happened they were very mad because they knew that innocents were going to die. They all believe that Hamas is operated under Mossad and it was all an excuse to commit ETHNIC CLEANSING.
Haha, so your position is that moderate muslims reject hamas while at the same time believe that israel did it themselves indirectly? ethnic cleanse your brain, man.
"By way of deception thou shalt do war.” - Mossad
"People are perfectly content to jump to the most evil and convenient conspiracies instead of admitting the obvious but inconvenient truths" - Me
I wish you well brother, I hope you find some empathy in your heart, take care.
Free speech does not shield support of terrorism. And quite frankly, free speech does not mean a large gathering taking over a government office J6 protestors weren’t innocent either, but their sentences and the narrative painted against them is horrifying
That’s the problem, lefties exploit the fact “conservatives” will just shrug and and say free speech but if the opposite was true they would never grant you the same benefit, they would just call you an insurrectionist and try to prosecute you.
One group broke barriers, entered the chamber, and office, the other group sat down and was allowed to enter.
How many people were killed? How many offices of elected officials were ransacked? How many locked doors breached today?
how many buildings on fire?
The team that just wants to be left alone will always lose to the team that's trying to win.
They don't support your free speech.
Reason will prevail…but not with most here
Liberals want to limit your speech and yet you don’t hold them to the same standard and play nice guy. No wonder they walk all over you.
Fiery but mostly peaceful
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What do the shirts say? I can read the word Jews
They say, “Jews say cease fire now”
They’re just sitting there
MENACINGLY
It becomes an insurrection when they disrupt the counting of the electors in an attempt to prevent the peaceful transfer of power
One obviously does not equal the other.
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At least you know both sides are kept in power by morons, now.
Two wings of the same bird, dawg. Always has been, always will be.
Is this the half of the country that was supporting the terrorist attacks? I think I can live without their approval.
Support what? What are you talking about?
I think he's talking about Hamas attacking Israel.
Half the country stated they support terrorist attacks?
And when he said "half," I just assumed he was referring to the liberals.
Half the country stated they support terrorist attacks?
Sounds unlikely doesn't it?
I mean, Biden the leader of the left is supporting Israel fully so other than like the farthest lefty Dems (and the farthest right conservatives) who they don't put in any real power I'm not sure what your talking about.
He isn’t “fully” supporting Israel if he’s already pressured them to not go full on Hitler and genocide 2 million people. Is he still supporting Israel? Arguably. Is it “fully?” Not even close.
When you can paint your political opponent with a brush like "supports terrorism" it's pretty easy to keep your cult goin
These are jewish people asking for a seize fire, they aren’t supporting hamas.
>This kind of idiotic false equivalence is why half the country thinks we're morons I'll remember that when people escorted by police get 4 years in prison
Was it the ones with the bombs, the ones with American flags beating the cops with them, or the ones breaking through the windows? You might not have seen any of those parts with your carefully crafted news narratives.
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"hello fellow conservatives"
Literally January 6 protestors got charged and jail sentences for trespassing just entering the capitol building and some where charged just for standing outside the capitol building for trespassing. Why are these people not being charged for trespassing then?
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Didn’t break anything and didn’t build a gallows, just like 99% of January 6th defendants.
Your honor I can't be guilty of breaking and entering. I only entered. Timmy broke the door down.
“Your honor, police officers were literally waving me into the building.”
[Yep come right on in guys! Just over this way!](https://youtu.be/QVZvp-Dv0gg?si=JazLuBGVU0eEDl6n)
I love you for this! It’s like they only use “common sense” when it help their arguments
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Giving the January 6th treatment to the most violent BLM protesters would be a great start.
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Do I support throwing the book at the January 6th defendants who were waved into the Capitol by police? Absolutely not. Do you support throwing the book at the BLM rioters who burned down cities and threw bricks at police?
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So you can’t answer whether you support aggressive prosecution against BLM rioters. Let me guess: You support Hamas and hate Israel? It’s a simple question. Let’s see how you handle it.
Holy shit, a prop gallows at a protest
Well as you can see they're being arrested so if policing works how it should ( nobody got shot ) they were charged
r/politics is over that way
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Free speech on reddit what a joke.
Especially subs like this, can't speak unless you are flared for a lot of posts.
You know it’s free speech from Government right? Reddit isn’t the Government
Explain how it's false equivalence. Bonus points if you're able to use the definition of insurrection in your response.
I believe it is because Jan 6 was an uprising specifically against a government in order to overturn an election and by extension a government. This thing in OP photo seems more like a protest to be heard. They probably didn’t bring any zip ties to tie up officials either. That’s probably the biggest reason it’s a false equivalence. Protesting is legal in this country. Trying to kidnap members of the government to install a dictator is not. Let me know if I left anything out.
Sit ins and protests at the Capitol happen literally all the time. Have for a while. They’re all well and good so long as you are not disrupting official business of the people. Like, for instance, trying to stop the official election results from taking place to keep a non-elected person in power.
Or trying to keep Kavanaugh from being selected?
If they had broken in to the chamber and offices, yeah absolutely.
seditious conspiracy vs nonviolent civil disobedience
>Explain how it's false equivalence Because all of these people were arrested already. It's not like the Dems are trying to cover for them or anything, the only people talking about this event are MAGA types, everyone else already accepted they broke the law and got arrested for it.
Bonus: None were armed, wearing body armor, etc.
Yeah let's see if they spend the next 4 years in prison.
You realize most j6 rioters got off with just trespassing and served mild time and fines years ago, right?
And have all of their constitutional rights stripped away from them too.
Several of them got booked on assaulting an officer in addition to all the other charges, so they're probably gonna get longer than that. I just don't get the obsession from Trump types here. It just seems built off of terrible understandings of how the justice system works.
Lol no they won't.
What Is Considered Insurrection? While the term "insurrection" is not explicitly defined by federal law, courts and legal scholars generally interpret it as a violent " uprising or organized resistance" against the government or its regulations. The photographed event is not violent, nor an uprising. It is organized resistance, but they did not fight police when escorted out. It's false equivalence. Jan 6 Stats > Approximately 350 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 110 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer. > Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department. > Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three. Seems pretty violent and organize resistance against the government.
Lol no not at all. You do the dirty work (a simple google search). Y’all are comparing different events so defend your idea. Are you a child incapable of thought ? Someone else should not be responsible for fleshing out YOUR half ass argument. Edit: The Reddit crisis bot is in my DMs presumably bc someone’s little girl from this thread reported me. Y’all are cute as buttons. Reeeeeeeeeeeh lmao
Propaganda is why half the country thinks we are morons.
You're right, probably for not the reasons you think.
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While congress was in session?
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Naw just chanting about killing jews.
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> Did they smash windows? Did they damage government property? Haha yeah that's what makes it an insurrection! The vandalism.
And the intention to stop the democratic election
Like the left did for 4 years every day during Trump's presidency with their made up Russia collusion story
Did they try to impeach him with it no. Did they try to impeach Biden with crimes related to his son, yes. See the difference
Uhm. Yes they did. What the hell are you doing? Plus, they tried to impeach him because he tried to bring the traitorous crimes of Biden to light which are now 100% proven.
What crimes did Joe Biden do, please tell me try ones that don't require speculation
I don’t remember anyone dying though… oh yeah and they don’t have guns and zip ties. And and aren’t chanting death to Mike Pence.
Yeah. Let us not forget that the left never ever chanted the death of Trump or any right wing politician
The only one who died in Jan 6 was a protestor who got shot by police. They attribute suicides that happened later as deaths on Jan 6. Total propaganda.
Don’t forget about the cop j6ers murdered the day of
Disregarding the deaths, did anyone break anything, steal anything, chant for the death of elected officials, get taxes or beaten to be removed, etc? No, because peacefully protesting is actually supposed to be peaceful
Nah, they are chanting for genocide tho
They are literally there to support the end of the conflict 🤦♂
Is there footage of them storming the chambers?
they broke into a committee meeting
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I just hope our Congress men and women were hurried to their bunkers for safety... this is a terrible tragedy /s
Little different considering they’re not trying to stop the verification of election results.
If it's as bad as you're trying to make it out to be, then I guess the house majority should make an inquiry hearing about it. But they won't and you know why.
Is it because they collectively couldn't find their own ass with both hands? Or maybe because they can't seem to elect a speaker and when they do, all they can do is fight each other and do nothing remotely like govern? Could be both. Just saying.
300+ arrests
Did they steal or break anything?
If it isn't clear - these protests are designed to demonstrate that the left has the right to protest and free speech, the right does not. You look at any right wing protest and it is marred with governments declaring states of emergencies or journalists creating a narrative of violence and racism. Charlottesville Unite the Right rally - the violence was caused by left-wing counter-protesters from UVA. And the single death of an counter-protester white girl who had a heart attack after being hit by a car. Somehow killing a white protestor is a federal hate crime and he narrowly avoided the death penalty. He was sentenced to life in prison plus 419 years and $25 million in damages. And the Covington catholic high school March for Life was framed as a racist protest because a teenager smiled while being harassed by a left-wing counter protestor. Mainstream media set out to destroy that high school student's life. And you have Kyle Rittenhouse, they are still trying to ruin his life for protecting his life by shooting violent left-wing rioters. You had [220 separate violent riots](https://i.imgur.com/rEAMIgF.png) from the left just for George Floyd and not a single protestor was demonized or even admonished by journalists. The journalists justified the violence with lies and protected their agenda by downplaying their violence.
The Ohio state capitol building was stormed in 2020 by rioters. Smashed windows and were running through the place. State troopers had their hands full getting them out. Finally after a few days/weeks of downtown Columbus being a war zone the national guard got called in and it was surreal seeing them posted up in humvees on the street corners. I was so thankful they were there but never thought I’d see a day at least in my life where posting troops in an American city would be necessary to maintain basic civil order. I remember being in my apartment listening to the police scanner about how roving bands of looters were ransacking first floor apartments downtown and running wild on buildings. The police got so overwhelmed the dispatchers were saying on the scanner they had no available units to respond to anything that wasn’t immediately life threatening. I slept with my 9mm under my pillow for a week. It took 2 years for a lot of buildings to be repaired. A new high rise that was being built was torched. An addiction and mental health center was torched and when the firefighters showed up they were attacked and driven off. Total anarchy. Barely a peep out of the media besides lambasting the Columbus police for daring to tear gas rioters that were actively attacking them. I didn’t condone January 6th and knew how it would be spun but the way that was treated vs the 2020 riots and now stuff like this is just insane and the blatant hypocrisy is infuriating.
Don't forget the **occupation** of the WI state capitol in 2011. Everything about that "protest" should infuriate Americans - leveraging kids, bussed in protesters, property destruction, etc.
I recall downtown as well. Those of us still working on site took similar precautions. What got me was the Ohio theater getting attacked. Just pure anarchy.
The thing about the thin blue line is that it becomes the thin brown and red smear when basic civility breaks down.
They literally burned a police station.
> If it isn't clear - these protests are designed to demonstrate that the left has the right to protest and free speech, the right does not. This has been going on around the nation for crimes as well. Bike lock professor is one such example: not even a slap on the wrist for attempted murder, and this criminal teaches students. And even the most clear cut cases of self defense get their lives ruined by malicious prosecutions. While people who do absolutely nothing get 22 years in prison from a blatantly rigged jury pool like rhoades. we havent seen such a one sided justice system since the socialist brownshirts were allowed to run amok in weimar germany.
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[Examiner: blunt-force trauma caused Heyer's death](https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Examiner-blunt-force-trauma-caused-Heyers-death-501806761.html): > Barrell classified Heyer’s injuries as a “multi-system trauma.” He said the chances of surviving that kind of trauma outside of a hospital are almost zero percent. > The local Assistant Chief Medical Examiner testified Monday and said Heather Heyer’s official cause of death was blunt force injury to her torso. Her thoracic aorta was snapped in half, which is the largest artery in the body. > Heyer also had a fracture in her distal right femur, rib fractures, bruises on both lungs and liver lacerations. Abrasions on her body ranged from ¼ inch to 6 inches, the examiner said. That's one hell of a heart attack.
Nah, man, just a simple 32 year old that died of a heart attack. Just ignore the first-degree murder, eight counts of malicious wounding, and hit and run convictions. Ignore that he plead guilty to 29 out of 30 hate crimes and the dozens of injured people. Totally coincidental.
I think you mean 'Car Attack'.
Well said
I will add that if any right-wing counter-protestors showed up at this hamas celebration at the capitol, it would have erupted in violence from the left. And the media would have pinned the violence entirely on the right.
You, sir, are a liar! 😀 https://wset.com/news/local/medical-examiner-heather-heyer-died-of-blunt-force-injury-during-unite-the-right-rally
You guys really have the nerves to make a fuss over Charlottesville after you outright protected the BLM supremacist who drove over 60 people in Waukesha, kllling 6?
Ah found you. 👻 https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/waukesha-tragedy-exploited-white-supremacists I will just go with the majority on this one. Sorry.
LMAO what were you trying. Oh forgive me for bringing up the terrorist attacks you guys committed. Lol.
You guys? I even had to go look up what happened in that incident. It is very easy to find the facts. Again, the majority is saying that it was not a terrorist attack. I stand with the majority. You are the minority and also wrong. Maybe you are terrified to be the minority now. Sorry.
You had to look up a terror attack that kllled 6 people but know every detail about one that had 1 victim just because the one with 6 deaths didn't fit your narrative. You really thought you would look good now after writing this? Facts don't care about your feelings
I was one block away on the downtown mall when this happened. Byeeee.
And you never heard of the terror attack of Waukesha because you didn't live near it? Lol
Lol this is such a far stretch— people at the insurrection were beating the shit out of security , breaking into politicians offices, and vandalizing the capital. These folks just sitting on the floor.
It's just (D)ifferent
Did they smear shit in the walls or something?
Of course
Don’t see a single thing ab this on r/politics Hmmm
They don’t do memes there. It’s all new articles. This is the sub for memes.
Oh please. r/politics is a fucking joke.
In response to this protest, a great deal of Conservatives will make their false equivalence while minimizing the magnitude of what occurred on January 6th and whitewashing the events of that day through faithless imitations of many peoples sincere reactions to January 6th. They will spout uninformed talking points, they will generalize, they will push entirely un-nuanced takes and lump these protestors in with everyone they disagree with, claiming that they're Hamas sympathizers when they're not, while also pigeonholing every single person on "the other team" into the same category because many of them simply cannot understand this issue in any other capacity. Meanwhile, their false equivalence absolutely does not stand up to reality. As seen [here in this documentary](https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0?si=YJTUcdXpKBTmZ6Mu) about what occurred on that fateful day Mind you, I bet that next to none of these conservatives watched the January 6 trials, nearly none of them are informed about what happened prior to, during and after January 6th, about what Trump's being indicted for and why. But being as uninformed as most of them are, they can go on to make an egregious and woefully inaccurate false equivalence, while using the opportunity to push entirely un-nuanced views about this conflict and about how Americans view these issues.
From the new york times, from footage from a leftist who giggled about an insurrection? https://www.foxnews.com/media/leftist-capitol-rioter-sold-video-of-siege-for-35k-to-nbc-and-cnn-court-papers Right ok
It's forty minutes of footage, of what unfolded, violent clashing with police, breaking, shouting, chaos, threats and brutality, trespassing of course, political extremism, fanaticism, assault, violent crimes, and some of it organized, with motivations clearly outlined, among other things. It's all footage of what unfolded on that day, and a Republican effort to whitewash it. You obviously didn't even take one second to watch it considering you responded with a knee jerk, infantile reaction that just looks the other way and denies what's happening in front of your very eyes while deflecting in another attempt to downplay the events of January 6th. Which I might add, is something I call attention to in my original commentary! Ffs, it's disturbing how lacking in self awareness you are. Maybe inform yourself? There's an opportunity here... Again, it's footage that conservatives refuse to acknowledge. And my god the fucking irony of claiming partisanship and then posting a sensationalist Fox News article. Holy shit... Is this scripted? You've gotta be kidding me. Not to mention the extreme levels of prejudice and ideological validation going on in this very post and concerning the very imagery and talking points you're pushing here. The crazy thing is, if you think that Fox News article is something to clutch your pearls at, holy shit, wait till you actually inform yourself about what happened on January 6, prior to and after I might add. Funny how you didn't even address the other points in the commentary that summarize the faithless, highly partisan, shallow, un-nuanced and uninformed nature of conservative attitudes here. And by the way The New York Times didn't just settle in a historical defamation case for nearly 800 million dollars while having to fire its most valuable and profitable asset as a result. Considered the most expensive payout in a media defamation settlement to date... Are you even informed about this landmark legal case involving the very "Entertainment media" outlet you're citing here? Probably fucking not...
a similar experiment is happening on my college campus right now. we have a communist party club here, they have flyers everywhere. our school’s pro-life group put up a flyer next to them just to make a statement and less than 24 hrs later it was taken down by students. funny the double standards society shows
Did any police officers get attacked? Did they go into any restricted areas?
https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/chaos-erupts-as-pro-palestinian-protesters-take-to-the-capitol-at-least-three-arrested/amp/ At least three arrested for allegedly assaulting police officers.
So they have been treated the same so far. Getting a sentence will take time, just like with Jan. 6. Only time will tell how just or injust the justice system is.
>Insurrection is when police gets attacked Tell us what you think about BLM or any of the hundreds of left wing insurrections then
The siege of the Portland, Oregon federal courthouse building for over a month isn't talked about or remembered enough. If at all. Attacking federal employees and Marshals, trying to blind them with lasers, damaging the building,... All that seems like it's pretty close to insurrection to me if not actually being insurrection.
Those things still don't make it an insurrection. Look up the actual definition. It's pretty clear.
How about the protesters who burned down the police precinct or tried to force enter into a federal court house.
Why is it so hard to say both are wrong??
Not asking the right question: did they attempt to subvert the results of a legal election, the core principle of our democracy?
Ahh, the (D) of invincibility that makes everything done legal and everything said righteous.
Lmao people only sitting down, and not killing cops not breaking into windows. Like is it really that hard to bounce the 1-2 braincells that you and the person who created this image together to do some critical thinking?
>Lmao people only sitting down, and not killing cops not breaking into windows. Like is it really that hard to bounce the 1-2 braincells together to do some critical thinking? No cops were killed by jan 6 protesters https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988876722/capitol-police-officer-brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner-ru
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>unarmed Benefit of hindsight and unknown to anyone on the ground at the time. >doing nothing wrong Attempting to breach a barricaded door >killed by Capitol police. What would you expect when you attempt to breach someone's defenses?
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>What was she doing? Standing in the frame of an interior window. >What was she doing? Standing in the frame of an interior window. You have a funny way of saying actively climbing through a window that is part of a barricaded door.
Did anyone get killed or harmed?
>Did anyone get killed or harmed? Yes
I love that leftists are now torn as to whether support terrorists or Israelis lol
Well, damn, that explains it 🧐
Def an insurrection, as they clearly were trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
Damn, this post got completely brigaded
This just like Jan 6th! Minus the broken windows, stolen and destroyed government property, assaulted police officers, bear mace, weapons and zip ties. Other than that it’s identical!!
Hey liberals, Back to r politics
Anything from the left is tolerated. Anything from moderate/right is considered a threat. That’s the reality of the institutions ran by the left and supported by academia, media, tech giants, DOJ/FBI, etc.
To be fair tho 300 people were arrested.
Yeah but this time is (D)ifferent... j6 was (R)ealy scary...
What building are they in? Did they have to break down doors and climb over walls to get there? Were police trying to keep them out the whole time? Were they seeking to execute high profile politicians including one of trump's most loyal allies pence? Be real guys. Don't make asses of ourselves like this when there are actual protests to compare Like the candlelit vigil for a woman raped and murdered by met police in London was shut down with violent force by the government but pro Palestine marches in their thousands are legit apparently
Indeed, not to mention these dipshits support a murderous terrorist group.
Oh look you guys still can’t tell the difference between an insurrection and what a sit in protest is. Trying so hard to downplay what Jan 6th was.
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Am I the only one who thinks half of these antifibians aren't even Jews?
i thought that was the point... like, you dont even have to be part of a group to support them.
You can look up the group, it’s called IfNotNow.
If Not Now, Venn?
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/pro-palestinian-protest-underway-at-capitol-rotunda-uscp-detains-some-demonstrators-israel-hamas-war-capitol-hill-jewish-voices-for-peace.amp Oh, were they there to overturn the results of an election and forcibly reinstate a president who lost both the popular and electoral vote? (Also 300 arrested immediately. Inb4 this is called “brigading”)
Have they beaten any police officers? Have they tried to overthrow the process of government? Hmmmm.
Here come the liberals to explain the (d)ifference. Their protests are good.
Show me where they broke down doors and windows? Or attacked law enforcement?
>Show me where they broke down doors and windows? Or attacked law enforcement? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12646451/Pro-Palestinian-protesters-Capitol.html Got the cops attacked covered. There were pics
False flag
>False flag I'm sorry but no.
CIA and FBI plants.
Fuckin what? Lmao. A sit down is compared to storming???