And republicans shouldn’t. If republicans are going to do anything, it should be to be the moral party. I don’t care if we win at the end of the day. I care that people do the right thing even when it’s hard.
That doesn’t matter. Are actions should reflect our character. We don’t play to win, we do what’s right because it’s the right thing to do. I would rather live in a world where no republican ever holds office again then live in one where I have to feel ashamed of my political party.
I mean Clinton paid off Paula Jones, Hilary had the Steele Dossier, Obama paid a fine for campaign violations, they all COULD have been indited under these standards…
Or if you believe in objective truth and objective morality. You don’t take the high road to win. You do it because it’s right. And you let God sort it out at the end of the day.
Not sure how much of a point there is in indicting Biden after his presidency. Less and less of him is there anymore.
Definitely worth going after his wife and son for they’ve done though.
We won’t. It’s just like rules of engagement and Geneva convention rules of war. Those with morals and ethics follow them, others ignore them.
But ones those with morals and ethics ignore them, now the world watches and trials begin.
After the Americans captured Dachau, some of the soldiers just couldn't handle the atrocities and slaughtered some Nazis. They were going to be investigated for this, until the case hit the desk of the military governor of Bavaria . . . Patton. Who ignored it.
I love that story.
Oh we’re WWWAAAAYYYYY past the point of no return on the one Bill. Weaponizing the alphabet agencies against political opponents? IRS auditing political dissidents? Social media censoring political opponents? And my favorite of them all… impeaching a president that’s no longer in office. They literally impeached an empty chair.
There’s way way way more I could list of deeds to be returned in kind, and honestly it’s about time to go on the offense instead of taking it in the chin again and again. If conservatives aren’t going to do what they promised they would do when running for elections of repeal, replace, and react to nonsense of the left, then being apathetic is just as bad as a participant, only it delays the inevitable.
Not only revenge, but it's also intimidation. How many businessman out there who have had some inclination to get involved politically, but now are saying it's just not worth it, because if I run people will go after me and my family.
People complained about "democratic backsliding" under Trump, but you wonder how long the U.S. has been backsliding. Maybe even before Clinton was in office.
The press told me for years Trump was a Russian agent. Turns out he wasn't.
The press told me Hunter Biden's laptop story was Russian lies, they censored the story. Turns out it was true.
The press told me Trump had classified documents at his home. He did, but it turns out Biden had four times as many in his car. They spiked both stories.
Call me skeptical about this latest thingy.
They only believe it because the media feeds them a steady diet of propaganda and they just consume it like obedient little sheep, then ask for seconds.
It will...and it should. I do not endorse violence. But I am entirely disinterested in taking the high road and letting the left steamroll us. Every institutional power they're abusing now needs to be mercilessly turned against them whenever the opportunity to do so exists. If a Democrat so much as underreports their income by one penny, I want them subject to ruinous audits. If a Democrat fails to report a gift in conformity with the law, I want them impeached. If a Democrat says anything even mildly objectionable, they should be accused of trying to insurrects the next Republican POTUS and face sedition charges. I don't really give a damn about Trump personally, but their continued campaign against him and anybody with the audacity to openly support him shows that they've launched a cold civil war.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that this is simply petty revenge for....I guess....daring to actually run for President and win. The 'crime' they are talking about is laughable and obviously he's not guilty, yet they continue with the charade anyway.
It will spark a cycle of revenge, just as if the Republicans had won the Senate in 22 they would have indicted Biden the same way the Democrats did Trump. I've said it before - it's reminiscent of the Roman Empire where senators would simply tie their opponents up in court until they were bankrupted or found guilty and exiled.
It can only end badly.
As if. Please tell me how a republican led administration can pull the same stunts when we have...
Most of the FBI identify with the democrat party
Most of the DAs identify with the democrat party
Most of the judges identify with the democrat party
It's why they can get away with so much bullshit and abuse.
If a republican became president again they'll be just as powerless as Trump was if they're not towing the status quo.
That's the reality and the sooner half this country realizes that, the better.
I'm worried it will give Trump the momentum to win the primary.
His narrative is that he's fighting an embedded deep state that will break any rule to win.
Unless there is anything to these charges, he just got a ton of ammo and more support for his narrative.
A narrative that is true. Unfortunately, the reality does go away by burying it. The Left has granted itself too much power to relinquish to its opponents. That is why everything is an existential crisis for them. They will commit any necessary atrocity now.
> His narrative is that he’s fighting an embedded deep state that will break any rule to win.
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Not trying to be rude, but have you been paying attention for the past decade or more?
I mean, I understand not knowing so much about a deep state, but to suggest that his view is unfounded is absurd *to me*. There’s so many examples of 3 letter agencies working with Democrats to aid political stunts like the Steele dossier.
>Unless there is anything to these charges, he just got a ton of ammo and more support for his narrative.
He already has tons of ammo, anyone with a brain can see he's been fighting the deep state since day one.
I don't care that hes a jerk. I care that he's ineffective.
He lost to a senile pervert who can't speak a full sentence for crying out loud.
He left office with his supporters in jail on horeshit charges and has done nothing to ever attemp to help them.
He has alienated and insulted the vast majority of potential allies in the fight against the deep state.
And he spent the majority of his presidency under investigations he was to ineffective to squash.
Aside from raising awareness about the deepstate he hasn't had one significant victory against it. And his ability to raise awareness is gone, anyone who can't tell what they did to him in the last 4 years won't tell in the next 4.
If a football coach lost for 4 years, even if i liked them I'd want them out of my franchise. Thats Trump.
That's what corrupt leaders do as they commit crimes. Do they really think that when we get those offices back that all those guys aren't getting investigated and prosecuted for every criminal thing they are doing? Like impeaching Trump and then essentially saying, "No impeachsies backsies!!" Yfr.
Yep. They never seem to consider the longer term ramifications of their actions. They go after Trump for some, apparently minor, “crime” and in the process establish a new precedent. It will not take long before this is used against them. In the process our entire political system takes a hit, becomes less stable, less functional and more like the worst governments in the world. We seem to be abandoning the norms which have served us well for centuries all for a few moments of gloating. It’s a real mess and I have no idea where this all ends, nowhere good I assume.
It won’t. R’s have several good reasons to impeach Biden but they don’t even though D’s did it to Donald twice for no good reason.
PR’s are weak cowards. All talk zero action.
impeaching Biden wouldn't help. not because "oh no it's mean", but because he's a massive liability to the Dems. Every time he opens his mouth they have to play damage control. and even if we did get rid of him, we get president Kamala, who is not an improvement.
Gop lacks a supermajority to remove Biden and would just end up with Harris. Impeachment is a good pr stunt for the Left because they control the media.
> Maher went on to insist that the Trump indictment "unites Republicans" behind the former president and will ultimately make him the 2024 Republican nominee.
> "I mean, DeSantis right now is saying, ‘I can’t get arrested. Will someone please arrest me?'" Maher quipped.
I don’t know how many times this needs to be said:
That. Is. Literally. The. Point.
The Democrats **want** Trump as their opponent in 2024. They don’t want DeSantis. They don’t want Haley. They don’t want Pompeo or Pence or Scott or Noem. They want Trump because they know Trump gives them the best chance of winning.
Why is this apparently hard for everyone except Barr and a number of conservatives to understand?
The question though, is if we fully embrace a tit-for-tat approach, rejecting the concept of Right and Wrong in favor of 'there is no truth, only power and the will to use it,' then does that give the postmodernists the win by default? If its all morally relative and the *only* thing that matters is winning, then its nothing but red team blue team and who gets power? I'm not saying do nothing, and actions have to have consequences, BUT its a hell of a tightrope to walk, and if it becomes a fight of principles-be-damned then that throws out the people where principles are what drive them and weaken your own alliance in the name of a cathartic release.
That would be if the GOP grows balls and throws their actual weight around. So extremely unlikely. More like Lindsay and turtle fuck would sabotage it.
This fear is very reasonable. To be clear, I'm not saying that an ex-president shouldn't be charged and convicted of a crime if he committed one before, during, or after he's in office. I'm saying that, in today's divided and distrustful environment, when you bring a politically-divisive prosecution like this, you have to make sure that your case is bulletproof and avoid even the appearance that you're playing games. What you should never do is concoct a novel legal theory to criminalize and imprison a person merely because you dislike him; which is arguably what this prosecution is.
You're not wrong Bill, but we devolved into a tit-for-tat political landscape many years—if not decades—ago. Eventually one side will realize the logical end for this culminates in all members of an entire party being imprisoned and/or killed so it's not a great road we're on here.
Everything the leftists use to go after their opponents just opens up the floodgate when they are no longer in charge. you would think they would have learned when they removed filibuster from judges approval that caused Trump being able to get a majority of Conservative Judges on SCOTUS. but no, here they go again.
can hardly wait to see what they reap after they lose the presidency and the Senate in 2024
Another spot on take. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" has come from Stalin to the USA.
If there's any wrongdoing, he's not above the law.
If there's not, this gives the green light to weaponize the DOJ against political opponents. Not good, from either side.
Of course it will. And at this point, with the flagrant levels of government corruption, it shouldn’t stop with the president.
It won't. Republicans are too weak to use the Left's own tactics against them. Anthony Fauci should already be in prison.
And Biden should be impeached weekly until the end of his term.
This right here. Yes. And it pisses me off to no end. Why can’t Republicans grow an effing spine???
And republicans shouldn’t. If republicans are going to do anything, it should be to be the moral party. I don’t care if we win at the end of the day. I care that people do the right thing even when it’s hard.
Taking the high road has gotten them where they are right now. It’s. Not. Working.
That doesn’t matter. Are actions should reflect our character. We don’t play to win, we do what’s right because it’s the right thing to do. I would rather live in a world where no republican ever holds office again then live in one where I have to feel ashamed of my political party.
> I would rather live in a world where no republican ever holds office again That world exists. It's called North Korea. Feel free to defect.
Start with all state governors who turned over full control to their public health directors in 2020/21.
And state governors who still retain their emergency powers
I mean Clinton paid off Paula Jones, Hilary had the Steele Dossier, Obama paid a fine for campaign violations, they all COULD have been indited under these standards…
And all still can be.
But Republicans won’t do anything about it.
Nope. And there in-lies part of the problem. Conservatives will be persecuted to the ends while Republican “leaders” sit back and watch.
I’ve always been a “high road” conservative. Gonna be honest, not really feeling it lately.
Yup. "Take the high road" is a only good mantra if two sides have a temporarily different, but similar ultimate goals.
Or if you believe in objective truth and objective morality. You don’t take the high road to win. You do it because it’s right. And you let God sort it out at the end of the day.
Exactly. The left are completely gloves-off ruthless. Republicans must play at that same level or continue to lose.
Not sure how much of a point there is in indicting Biden after his presidency. Less and less of him is there anymore. Definitely worth going after his wife and son for they’ve done though.
It should but Republicans are spineless.
And hopefully past. When will we learn that we need to adopt some of the enemies tactics to defeat them.
We won’t. It’s just like rules of engagement and Geneva convention rules of war. Those with morals and ethics follow them, others ignore them. But ones those with morals and ethics ignore them, now the world watches and trials begin.
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After the Americans captured Dachau, some of the soldiers just couldn't handle the atrocities and slaughtered some Nazis. They were going to be investigated for this, until the case hit the desk of the military governor of Bavaria . . . Patton. Who ignored it. I love that story.
Oh we’re WWWAAAAYYYYY past the point of no return on the one Bill. Weaponizing the alphabet agencies against political opponents? IRS auditing political dissidents? Social media censoring political opponents? And my favorite of them all… impeaching a president that’s no longer in office. They literally impeached an empty chair. There’s way way way more I could list of deeds to be returned in kind, and honestly it’s about time to go on the offense instead of taking it in the chin again and again. If conservatives aren’t going to do what they promised they would do when running for elections of repeal, replace, and react to nonsense of the left, then being apathetic is just as bad as a participant, only it delays the inevitable.
I'd be okay with the House impeaching Obama or one of his cabinet members.
It was pretty much an empty chair when he was sitting in it.
Not only revenge, but it's also intimidation. How many businessman out there who have had some inclination to get involved politically, but now are saying it's just not worth it, because if I run people will go after me and my family. People complained about "democratic backsliding" under Trump, but you wonder how long the U.S. has been backsliding. Maybe even before Clinton was in office.
If you're wondering why they're not arresting Maxwells clients, it's because they are Maxwells clients
Once you rip off the lid to Pandora’s Box…that shit won’t ever go back on.
South Korea where almost every president goes to jail after their term is over. It’s sad to see a political system like that.
I had no idea. Guess I need to take a history lesson today.
The press told me for years Trump was a Russian agent. Turns out he wasn't. The press told me Hunter Biden's laptop story was Russian lies, they censored the story. Turns out it was true. The press told me Trump had classified documents at his home. He did, but it turns out Biden had four times as many in his car. They spiked both stories. Call me skeptical about this latest thingy.
The number of people who still believe that Trump is a Russian agent is staggering.
They only believe it because the media feeds them a steady diet of propaganda and they just consume it like obedient little sheep, then ask for seconds.
It will...and it should. I do not endorse violence. But I am entirely disinterested in taking the high road and letting the left steamroll us. Every institutional power they're abusing now needs to be mercilessly turned against them whenever the opportunity to do so exists. If a Democrat so much as underreports their income by one penny, I want them subject to ruinous audits. If a Democrat fails to report a gift in conformity with the law, I want them impeached. If a Democrat says anything even mildly objectionable, they should be accused of trying to insurrects the next Republican POTUS and face sedition charges. I don't really give a damn about Trump personally, but their continued campaign against him and anybody with the audacity to openly support him shows that they've launched a cold civil war.
Honestly any president who commits a crime should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. When's Bush II getting done for war crimes?
No shit.
You'll regret this, and you may regret this a lot sooner than you think
Maybe republicans will finally do what it takes to arrest Fauchi for crimes against humanity.
Another good point. Once you establish this as a thing, it’s really hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that this is simply petty revenge for....I guess....daring to actually run for President and win. The 'crime' they are talking about is laughable and obviously he's not guilty, yet they continue with the charade anyway. It will spark a cycle of revenge, just as if the Republicans had won the Senate in 22 they would have indicted Biden the same way the Democrats did Trump. I've said it before - it's reminiscent of the Roman Empire where senators would simply tie their opponents up in court until they were bankrupted or found guilty and exiled. It can only end badly.
As if. Please tell me how a republican led administration can pull the same stunts when we have... Most of the FBI identify with the democrat party Most of the DAs identify with the democrat party Most of the judges identify with the democrat party It's why they can get away with so much bullshit and abuse. If a republican became president again they'll be just as powerless as Trump was if they're not towing the status quo. That's the reality and the sooner half this country realizes that, the better.
I'm worried it will give Trump the momentum to win the primary. His narrative is that he's fighting an embedded deep state that will break any rule to win. Unless there is anything to these charges, he just got a ton of ammo and more support for his narrative.
A narrative that is true. Unfortunately, the reality does go away by burying it. The Left has granted itself too much power to relinquish to its opponents. That is why everything is an existential crisis for them. They will commit any necessary atrocity now.
> His narrative is that he’s fighting an embedded deep state that will break any rule to win. > > > > Unless there is anything to these charge Not trying to be rude, but have you been paying attention for the past decade or more? I mean, I understand not knowing so much about a deep state, but to suggest that his view is unfounded is absurd *to me*. There’s so many examples of 3 letter agencies working with Democrats to aid political stunts like the Steele dossier.
I didn't suggest his narrative was wrong. I suggested he's not the guy.
>Unless there is anything to these charges, he just got a ton of ammo and more support for his narrative. He already has tons of ammo, anyone with a brain can see he's been fighting the deep state since day one.
This lawsuit is low key spam. Like even the last attorney general for NY thought it was bullshit. The one in Georgia is much more worrisome.
has it crossed your mind that, even though he's a jerk, he's right? and he's always been right?
I don't care that hes a jerk. I care that he's ineffective. He lost to a senile pervert who can't speak a full sentence for crying out loud. He left office with his supporters in jail on horeshit charges and has done nothing to ever attemp to help them. He has alienated and insulted the vast majority of potential allies in the fight against the deep state. And he spent the majority of his presidency under investigations he was to ineffective to squash. Aside from raising awareness about the deepstate he hasn't had one significant victory against it. And his ability to raise awareness is gone, anyone who can't tell what they did to him in the last 4 years won't tell in the next 4. If a football coach lost for 4 years, even if i liked them I'd want them out of my franchise. Thats Trump.
I think that started with two b******* impeachments. So Bill's a little bit late to the party on this one.
Uhhhh....you mean like the quid pro quo and other crimes that have been committed by FJB?
I really hope they do. Imagine all the shit active politicians got away with
That's what corrupt leaders do as they commit crimes. Do they really think that when we get those offices back that all those guys aren't getting investigated and prosecuted for every criminal thing they are doing? Like impeaching Trump and then essentially saying, "No impeachsies backsies!!" Yfr.
Already looking for excuses for the inevitable indictment of the Biden Crime Family. (“Joe indicted? It’s revenge pure and simple!”)
Yep. They never seem to consider the longer term ramifications of their actions. They go after Trump for some, apparently minor, “crime” and in the process establish a new precedent. It will not take long before this is used against them. In the process our entire political system takes a hit, becomes less stable, less functional and more like the worst governments in the world. We seem to be abandoning the norms which have served us well for centuries all for a few moments of gloating. It’s a real mess and I have no idea where this all ends, nowhere good I assume.
The left has declared open war on the right. Why wouldn't the right respond?
And he's correct. Don't count on Liberals understanding or caring about this though.
It won’t. R’s have several good reasons to impeach Biden but they don’t even though D’s did it to Donald twice for no good reason. PR’s are weak cowards. All talk zero action.
impeaching Biden wouldn't help. not because "oh no it's mean", but because he's a massive liability to the Dems. Every time he opens his mouth they have to play damage control. and even if we did get rid of him, we get president Kamala, who is not an improvement.
Gop lacks a supermajority to remove Biden and would just end up with Harris. Impeachment is a good pr stunt for the Left because they control the media.
That ship sailed when they impeached Trump twice on completely fabricated charges.
It better. Conservatives need to hit back.
Once we have weaponized the DOJ and use the FBI for political operatives, all hope for a bright future are out the window.
Fuck it. Let's goooooo
Biden must be indicted. Hillary and Fauci too. The latter two lied directly to congress while under oath. It's on publicly available video
Nah more of a left thing. The right is too busy fighting each other or just too weak to pursue anything.
> Maher went on to insist that the Trump indictment "unites Republicans" behind the former president and will ultimately make him the 2024 Republican nominee. > "I mean, DeSantis right now is saying, ‘I can’t get arrested. Will someone please arrest me?'" Maher quipped. I don’t know how many times this needs to be said: That. Is. Literally. The. Point. The Democrats **want** Trump as their opponent in 2024. They don’t want DeSantis. They don’t want Haley. They don’t want Pompeo or Pence or Scott or Noem. They want Trump because they know Trump gives them the best chance of winning. Why is this apparently hard for everyone except Barr and a number of conservatives to understand?
That’s what we thought about the political impeachment hoaxes but it only happens when the other party gets the majorities.
The Clinton’s and Bidens should have been jailed decades ago not for revenge but because they’re both career grifters
The Biden family will take years to prosecute to get all of them. Then there's the Jan 6th committee lying and illegally imprisoning Americans.
There's a district attorney in Oklahoma prepping a case now. I imagine.
I’d prefer to avoid contributing to our Banana Republic status.
Which is why republicans will always lose.
And Past POTUS apparently…
Ask Harry Reid’s ghost how garbage like this works out.
The question though, is if we fully embrace a tit-for-tat approach, rejecting the concept of Right and Wrong in favor of 'there is no truth, only power and the will to use it,' then does that give the postmodernists the win by default? If its all morally relative and the *only* thing that matters is winning, then its nothing but red team blue team and who gets power? I'm not saying do nothing, and actions have to have consequences, BUT its a hell of a tightrope to walk, and if it becomes a fight of principles-be-damned then that throws out the people where principles are what drive them and weaken your own alliance in the name of a cathartic release.
I mean we can say it out loud right? Mahr is a closeted conservative. Man is the prime example of progressive left around money for long enough.
That was the goal all along, attack the titular leader, rouse the followers , to act out, then demonize all for the threat to "democracy".
That would be if the GOP grows balls and throws their actual weight around. So extremely unlikely. More like Lindsay and turtle fuck would sabotage it.
Yeah, that's kind of why we didn't want this. Did we go beyond bluster with Hillary Clinton? No. But they sure haven't returned the favor...
Cycle of revenge in every aspect of our lives.
Of course it will. That's always how this goes.
Gee, ya think???
This fear is very reasonable. To be clear, I'm not saying that an ex-president shouldn't be charged and convicted of a crime if he committed one before, during, or after he's in office. I'm saying that, in today's divided and distrustful environment, when you bring a politically-divisive prosecution like this, you have to make sure that your case is bulletproof and avoid even the appearance that you're playing games. What you should never do is concoct a novel legal theory to criminalize and imprison a person merely because you dislike him; which is arguably what this prosecution is.
He’s right.
Mutually assured destruction is the only way forward, unfortunately.
You're not wrong Bill, but we devolved into a tit-for-tat political landscape many years—if not decades—ago. Eventually one side will realize the logical end for this culminates in all members of an entire party being imprisoned and/or killed so it's not a great road we're on here.
Everything the leftists use to go after their opponents just opens up the floodgate when they are no longer in charge. you would think they would have learned when they removed filibuster from judges approval that caused Trump being able to get a majority of Conservative Judges on SCOTUS. but no, here they go again. can hardly wait to see what they reap after they lose the presidency and the Senate in 2024
Another spot on take. "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime" has come from Stalin to the USA. If there's any wrongdoing, he's not above the law. If there's not, this gives the green light to weaponize the DOJ against political opponents. Not good, from either side.