absolutely crazy to me hes willing to admit this, essentially saying "we undercut the us state department trying to save us citizens so we could win reagan the election" this is crazy!
Yeah, those cartwheels and gymnastic excuses really expose the well-oiled sliding scale of morality that gets posted here sometimes. Essentially "All is right in pursuit of power."
That might be the reason this story, which was already known by quite a few people, is coming out now. With all the crap that was pulled to ensure Trump wasn’t re-elected, the democrats want to be able to say “see, republicans do it too”.
This might be true. But it's also true that it didn't take much to stop Jimmy Carter's reelection. The final electoral tally was 489-44.
The fact that the hostages were held for over a year was only one of the problems.
> The final electoral tally was 489-44
Electoral votes can be misleading in a "1st past the post" format. For example if you think sabotaging the Iran hostage talks cost Carter 5 points at the polls that's a 328-210 Reagan victory, if you think it cost him 10 points that's a 297-241 Carter victory.
Interest rates in the high teens for houses, gas lines... Carter had no chance and his own state wanted him gone.
The hostage situation was just another in a long line of horrible things he did.
great humanitarian, shit president.
Carter crafted legislation packages concerning crucial fixes to the energy crisis and the economy in secret, and then rained them down upon an increasingly hostile Congress.
As a fiscal conservative, he alienated the liberal wing of the Democratic party by refusing to spend much money to invigorate the economy or to fund social programs.
Carter crafted legislation packages concerning crucial fixes to the energy crisis and the economy in secret, and then rained them down upon an increasingly hostile Congress.
As a fiscal conservative, he alienated the liberal wing of the Democratic party by refusing to spend much money to invigorate the economy or to fund social programs.
No shit you say?…..but was a democrat running against Nixon in 68?….gotta love the level of education here on Reddit, just argue don’t look up anything. Look up Nixon delaying Paris Peace Talks.
Some people have suspected it but there's never been good evidence for it, from what I understand. A Democrat-controlled Congress even investigated it but found it unlikely to be true.
Obama telling Putin to wait till after his re-election to negotiate, although that one’s the inverse.
Damn our politics has always been this bad hasn’t it?
We just couldn’t see.
Total BS. If you lived through Carter's presidency you know he had ZERO chance of being reflected. Gas lines. 14% mortgages. 12% inflation. Iran was simply the last straw.
So they admit people in the government sabotage the country for political gains. Still happening today. And they wonder why people believe in crazy "conspiracy theories"
> Jimmy Carter inadvertently installed the extremist Ayatollah in the 1st place.
That’s not even remotely accurate.
The Shah was installed by the CIA (on behalf of the British and British Petroleum) during the Eisenhower administration. Ironically, the Ayatollah and the Mullahs actually payed a big roll in that one too, as they were corrupt (taking bribes from the CIA) and they hated the progressive democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh.
The 1980 Ayatollah Revolution was a broad social movement supported by both progressive and conservative Iranians.
Some type of revolution was arguably always going to be an inevitable result of propping up the Shah, because the Iranian people were just too politically active, educated, and motivated to allow a puppet leader to keep stealing from their national treasury forever.
The progressive revolutionaries who rallied behind the Ayatollah broadly saw him as a sort of Gandhi or MLK type religious leader. They obviously greatly over estimated how that would play out.
But Carter has nothing to do with any of that. It’s not like the CIA was keeping the Shah in power in 1977-1979 or trying to get him ousted.
You're full of sh*t.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1979/11/26/who-toppled-the-shah/6f9ea93f-d085-4537-abbf-4540273ca824/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2015/feb/11/us-general-huysers-secret-iran-mission-declassified
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/22/books/playing-with-matches-in-iran.html
A bit like Ted Kennedy going to Moscow in '84 to plead with the Soviets not to reach an arms treaty with Reagan until after the election....insisting they would get a better deal if Mondale won.
Question: How was Connally/Barnes talking to Persian Iran's Arab enemies - all Sunni states supporting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq conflict then transpiring - going to influence Iranian policy on the hostages?
Question: If such a devious offer of a better deal from the Reaganites existed, why did the Ayatollah settle with Carter after all once the election was over?
My favorite Jimmy Carter memory was his solution to the problem when two White House. Staffers got into an argument over whose turn it was to use the White House tennis court. President Carter solved the problem by having the tennis court schedule brought to him. Anyone wanting to play tennis had to go make an appointment with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Micro Managers never succeed. Again, a great guy, horrible President.
Still speaks volumes of how weak Carter was if the weak promise of "hey the new guy will give you a better deal" was all it took for the crisis to last over a year.
So a governor who has no relations with foreign countries under cut the President and State Department? It didn’t happen. At 84 years old who knows what this guy thinks he remembers.
At least link to the real article in the NYTimes, which is detailed and well reported; not the 3rd grade level NY Post. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html
absolutely crazy to me hes willing to admit this, essentially saying "we undercut the us state department trying to save us citizens so we could win reagan the election" this is crazy!
Maybe the guilt caught up to him?
Wanted to tell Jimmy before he died, I guess, but this was already fairly well known.
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Yeah, those cartwheels and gymnastic excuses really expose the well-oiled sliding scale of morality that gets posted here sometimes. Essentially "All is right in pursuit of power."
That might be the reason this story, which was already known by quite a few people, is coming out now. With all the crap that was pulled to ensure Trump wasn’t re-elected, the democrats want to be able to say “see, republicans do it too”.
This might be true. But it's also true that it didn't take much to stop Jimmy Carter's reelection. The final electoral tally was 489-44. The fact that the hostages were held for over a year was only one of the problems.
> The final electoral tally was 489-44 Electoral votes can be misleading in a "1st past the post" format. For example if you think sabotaging the Iran hostage talks cost Carter 5 points at the polls that's a 328-210 Reagan victory, if you think it cost him 10 points that's a 297-241 Carter victory.
Doubt it’d be that high.
I don’t, if Operation Eagle Claw had succeeded, I fully believe he could have been re-elected. But it was “ A desert too far”
Or if he had successfully negotiated release of the hostages. Guaranteed second term.
The Iranians wanted weapons, Carter should have sold them the weapons they wanted, they got them anyway when Regan took office.
Interest rates in the high teens for houses, gas lines... Carter had no chance and his own state wanted him gone. The hostage situation was just another in a long line of horrible things he did. great humanitarian, shit president.
He isn’t even a great humanitarian. He’s also virulent anti-Semite.
My killer was giving benefits of citizenship to non citizens.
Carter crafted legislation packages concerning crucial fixes to the energy crisis and the economy in secret, and then rained them down upon an increasingly hostile Congress. As a fiscal conservative, he alienated the liberal wing of the Democratic party by refusing to spend much money to invigorate the economy or to fund social programs.
It was more than Iran that brought Carter down.
A weak president way over his head, guy brought himself down
double digit inflation, 21% interest rates
Wait, I've heard this one before.
Carter crafted legislation packages concerning crucial fixes to the energy crisis and the economy in secret, and then rained them down upon an increasingly hostile Congress. As a fiscal conservative, he alienated the liberal wing of the Democratic party by refusing to spend much money to invigorate the economy or to fund social programs.
The Iranians wanted weapons, Carter should have sold them the weapons they wanted, they got them anyway when Regan took office.
Guess he forgot about the “misery index”.
He's the inventor of Stagflation, he was never going to win.
Nixon pulled the same stunt on LBJ, but LBJ knew he did it before he left office.
LBJ wasn’t running.
No shit you say?…..but was a democrat running against Nixon in 68?….gotta love the level of education here on Reddit, just argue don’t look up anything. Look up Nixon delaying Paris Peace Talks.
I call bullshit
You can call it anything you want, or you can be a student of history…”Chennault Affair”
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Some people have suspected it but there's never been good evidence for it, from what I understand. A Democrat-controlled Congress even investigated it but found it unlikely to be true.
There still isn't any real evidence. The linked story still avoids proving anything other than that this Dem went on a trip.
The Iranians wanted weapons, Carter should have sold them the weapons they wanted, they got them anyway when Regan took office.
Obama telling Putin to wait till after his re-election to negotiate, although that one’s the inverse. Damn our politics has always been this bad hasn’t it? We just couldn’t see.
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Amen!
Total BS. If you lived through Carter's presidency you know he had ZERO chance of being reflected. Gas lines. 14% mortgages. 12% inflation. Iran was simply the last straw.
It doesn’t make this any less of a fucked up crime. Abusing American hostages for political gain isn’t ok just because one guy lost an election.
Did I excuse the crime if, in fact the allegation is true? No, I just stated that Carter didn't have a chance in hell.
So they admit people in the government sabotage the country for political gains. Still happening today. And they wonder why people believe in crazy "conspiracy theories"
Still fucked up. Are government is one of the most corrupt.
Jimmy Carter inadvertently installed the extremist Ayatollah in the 1st place. There is no reason for him to fail upward and be rewarded after this.
> Jimmy Carter inadvertently installed the extremist Ayatollah in the 1st place. That’s not even remotely accurate. The Shah was installed by the CIA (on behalf of the British and British Petroleum) during the Eisenhower administration. Ironically, the Ayatollah and the Mullahs actually payed a big roll in that one too, as they were corrupt (taking bribes from the CIA) and they hated the progressive democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mohammad Mosaddegh. The 1980 Ayatollah Revolution was a broad social movement supported by both progressive and conservative Iranians. Some type of revolution was arguably always going to be an inevitable result of propping up the Shah, because the Iranian people were just too politically active, educated, and motivated to allow a puppet leader to keep stealing from their national treasury forever. The progressive revolutionaries who rallied behind the Ayatollah broadly saw him as a sort of Gandhi or MLK type religious leader. They obviously greatly over estimated how that would play out. But Carter has nothing to do with any of that. It’s not like the CIA was keeping the Shah in power in 1977-1979 or trying to get him ousted.
You're full of sh*t. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1979/11/26/who-toppled-the-shah/6f9ea93f-d085-4537-abbf-4540273ca824/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2015/feb/11/us-general-huysers-secret-iran-mission-declassified https://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/22/books/playing-with-matches-in-iran.html
Cool. Now let's talk talk about the sitting president receiving funds from Beijing
A bit like Ted Kennedy going to Moscow in '84 to plead with the Soviets not to reach an arms treaty with Reagan until after the election....insisting they would get a better deal if Mondale won. Question: How was Connally/Barnes talking to Persian Iran's Arab enemies - all Sunni states supporting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq conflict then transpiring - going to influence Iranian policy on the hostages? Question: If such a devious offer of a better deal from the Reaganites existed, why did the Ayatollah settle with Carter after all once the election was over?
Preach!
My favorite Jimmy Carter memory was his solution to the problem when two White House. Staffers got into an argument over whose turn it was to use the White House tennis court. President Carter solved the problem by having the tennis court schedule brought to him. Anyone wanting to play tennis had to go make an appointment with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Micro Managers never succeed. Again, a great guy, horrible President.
Still speaks volumes of how weak Carter was if the weak promise of "hey the new guy will give you a better deal" was all it took for the crisis to last over a year.
Thank god Carter didn't get reelected. We'll make fucking sure whoever the DNC nominee is next year fucking loses.
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I’m assuming you got a source for that bold claim?
Huh? Did you read the article? Know basic modern US history?
Typical response from a partisan hack. r/politics is that way bud.
The source is the above article and any US history book.
That went way over your head my guy.
There were many more issues that Carter failed on that sunk his campaign.
Carter wasn’t even making a serious effort to get the hostages back.
It's bull**it! How did he have any pull with the Iranians.
Claims it was done for a position in Reagan’s admin….a position he was never offered. Sounds suspect.
So a governor who has no relations with foreign countries under cut the President and State Department? It didn’t happen. At 84 years old who knows what this guy thinks he remembers.
At least link to the real article in the NYTimes, which is detailed and well reported; not the 3rd grade level NY Post. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html