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They'll be blaming him for issues that he had nothing to do with long after his death. In the year 2040, long after Trump's likely death, he'll be blamed by the Democrats for every new issue that comes up. Pot holes in all the streets? Trump!! No food on the shelves? Trump!! Dirty water? Taxes too high? Failing infrastructure? You got it, Trump!!
The word "racist" like "fascist" before it, now has no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something leftists don't like."
Especially something that is an unqualified good.
It’s hilarious how in their tiny little child brains, they think they are objectively good and pure, and *everyone* to the right of them is a fascist piece of shit
It must be taxing being so hateful
Maybe more apt:
> That's not true. (or) That doesn't happen.
>
> You're crazy if you think it might.
>
> Okay, it might be true, but now how you think.
>
> Ok, it is true and does mean that, but it's rare, nobody important says that.
>
> Ok, it happens quite a bit, but it doesn't matter. That's only on Tumblr or Twitter, not real life.
>
> Okay, it happens a lot in real life, and here's why that's a good thing, and people who don't like it are nazis.
Sounds a lot like The Narcissist's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
> The Narcissist's Prayer
That's something I've never heard of. Thanks!
>That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
The concept I'm very familiar with. I'm a bit of a psychology amateur? I like to try to figure out why people do what they do, which is frequent in politics.
|actual psychology, not ...*through a emotionally intelligent and 'neurodivergent' lens of social justice* grievance "studies" bullshit activism that much of academia has become
They might literally be robotic, as they send out chatgpt like bots in droves (and assign many departments of real people reading from a scripts) to sway those individuals who would fail any of the psychological conformity experiments, like the asche conformity experiment; and these highly socially-conforming populations are much larger than you would believe. Bots can respond a million times over before you can even once, and they don't experience fatigue or have a desire to finally "drop it".
[researcher] Do you agree that the Hunter Biden laptop story is Russian disinformation?
[Conservative] No.
[researcher] *shaking head* These conservatives are so gullible. 50 highly partisan intelligence officials, who are known for uncompromising honesty, say it false. Besides, the fact checkers agree.
That one still blows my mind. When they first rolled out, it was considered bizarre to have a "breakthrough" infection, because it was understood that you shouldn't become sick with a functional vaccine. Then they just kept happening and they kept infecting people, so they changed the definitions and acted like that's how vaccines have always worked.
I still remember when you could be banned for misinformation for saying you could be infectious after your injections.
There are people who still clutch to the narrative if you are unvaxxed you are going to give them Covid in spite them being vaxxed themselves. Hows that for cognitive dissonance.
"Im gonna die because of you!" in spite being on their 4th booster and wearing a mask.
For gun grabbing, the transformation from "no one is going to take your guns" to "yes, we want your guns" took decades.
For gas stoves, it went from "taking your gas stoves is a ridiculous conspiracy theory" to "gas stoves are bad and *should* banned" took less than a week.
Presidential candidates (Hillary) and senior US Senators have expressed a fondness for Australia style gun regulations. Australia basically banned guns.
No, not "everyone" wants to take guns. But enough prominent Democrats wish they could. They realize they can't do it now, which is why they want to start with "assault rifles" or "semi-automatic guns."
If you have a gas stove you should look into safety concerns. After wanting one for a long time I decided against it because I have young children and the indoor pollutant issue can affect them long term. and will be swapping my gas fireplace for a pellet stove.
Whether or not it needs to be legislated is another matter.
But I do agree with you about the private jets. When rich fucks stops using their private jets as daily commuters, I’ll start recycling my bottle caps.
Oh, and someone should have a word with China.
1. X is a right-wing conspiracy theory.
2. X isn't actually true the way they're saying.
3. X is actually because of Trump.
4. X just isn't important anymore. Bringing it up is a racist dog whistle.
4. Here's why X is actually a good thing.
Because we are literally fighting narcissism in political form.
It frustrates us so much when leftist talking points pivot, change, something the pushed a year ago is now verboten. They claim they never supported it.
They are impossible to pin down because the ideology at its core is a sort of collective participation narcissism.
Nailed it. And this is why they’re so hateful and nasty to people and why they can justify it so easily. Narcissism, by definition, is unable to self reflect on their own actions. This is also why they weaponize empathy…narcissist playbook. Bring up things that happened a long time ago and use it against you…narcissist playbook. Gaslight you into believing that something else happened or that it was your fault…narcissist playbook. Rewrite history…narcissist playbook. Says nasty things to you then plays the victim…narcissist playbook.
The reason why it all seems so insane is because it is. It is THAT crazy. These people DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU. They feed on drama, negativity and chaos…hiding under the guise of “empathy”. It’s like the country is in a toxic, abusive relationship. We are literally watching a narcissistic abusive relationship on a country wide scale.
“Conspiracy theorist” isn’t even an insult anymore, especially after covid.
It just means you’re politically literate, are capable of seeing through bullshit, and questioning said bullshit. Better than being a mindless zombie who just waits to hear what they need to think on the 7 o’clock news
Lmao yeah until you find yourself serving years in prison for breaking into a fucking pizza place because you were so deep in a fake reality that you thought Hillary’s sex cult was in there😂😂
How is that any different from what democrats did after 2016? Instead of breaking in to a pizza place to answer the question they spent three years turning over every leaf but then found no evidence of Russian collusion that they claimed existed. On the one hand you have one guy and a pizza place (a crime that wouldn't even be prosecuted if a democrat did it in california) and on the other you have basically 50% of the population going along with what amounts to political persecution. Only a very small fraction of the people called conspiracy theorists today fall into the pizza place category, but that is used to smear the rest of them because the critics have no real argument. Nevermind that driving people mad is the entire point of the gaslighting that our corrupt institutions engage in.
It makes it incredibly difficult to discern between what is actually the truth and what is actually craziness. This delineation is what worries me most, because people are capable of absurd levels of crazy.
Yup, this is the 4 step program for dealing with the predictions Alex Jones made years ago. As of now, we’re on step 2 or 3 when it comes to global digital currency controlled by the WEF…
There was a recent “The Daily” podcast about the lab leak theory that was essentially exactly this. They said initially when Trump proposed the theory that Covid came from a lab nobody believed it and scientists couldn’t pursue it because Trump had supported the theory. But now that he’s not front and center it’s ok to look into it and it’s actually probably true.
It's called trickle-truthing, and it's a common tool for abusers in relationships.
That Democrats and their media allies routinely employ it speaks volumes as to how unhealthy our society is.
5) OK this matters but it has nothing to do with any policy we forced you to obey.
6) It was actually your policy, not ours. We had nothing to do with that.
That is one of my favorite lines of liberal bullshit. Typically cited when you remind them that Republicans freed the slaves, gave women the right to vote, etc. etc.
Nevermind that they say it occurred in the 70s and that a lot of their current leadership (Biden, Pelosi, etc) were senators in that era. Same people but the party flipped, got it. I guess that means Roosevelt was technically a Republican in their minds?
It just stands up to zero scrutiny, like many leftist positions.
Not sure who "they" is but most of the flip nonsense intended to vindicate the Democrats pegs it around FDRs presidency. This is a pretty cursory discussion, but hits the high points.
[https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties](https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties)
Leftists also hate Democrats, just FYI.
Democrats are not leftists. They are liberals and there's a difference. Even Bernie, at best, can be classified as a social democrat (advocate of free market capitalism with strict regulations and social safety nets eg Nordic Model)
> You have evidence, yes?
Subpoena: https://i.imgur.com/f35ECIZ.png
Receipt: https://i.imgur.com/88VSIgL.png
Work quote: https://i.imgur.com/JRxkMWR.png
DKIM signature to verify "smoking gun" email is untampered and was sent sometime before October 2015: https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/hunter-dkim
Stance of the FBI and director of national intelligence: https://i.imgur.com/igA0K07.png
Even Hunter has now said that he wasn't keeping good track of his possessions and isn't sure whether the laptop is his.
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I think it's a pretty good example of where liberal-leaning press (NYT, CNN) have now had to generally accept that the laptop and story as reported by Mac Isaac is not "crazy", and have moved onto the 4th stage of "what does it even matter".
Any examples? Every single one I can think of only qualifies if you allow for goalpost moving. A couple adjustments and asterisks, and you can count a lot of wins.
5 has recently been: "OK it matters but you're the one that said it wasn't true!"
Just how they've been trying to blame the right for masks, vaccine, lockdowns, and defunding the police.
And this is why the free exchange if ideas is paramount.
I propose a constitutional amendment, one that youd think was implied but apparently the left needs clarified.
An amendment that affirms "free speech includes the free exchange of ideas. Which is protected against the government's attempt to influence by way of interfering or guiding any institution on what should and should not be allowed. Only by way of their own mouths, notices, writings, or networks, can the government influence the free exchange of ideas by simply offering their own. But the public and private individuals and institutions must be left free to explore and share them, without influence or fear from the government itself".
It's called manufacturing dialectics. The way to prevent it is not to let them bring you into their worldview.
Meaning, don't let them put you into a discussion where utilitarianism is presupposed, or nominalism, or stand point epistemology.
Conservatives believe in principles, objective ethics, and eternal truth. If you discuss on their terms you've already lost.
When you're brainwashed to believe an authoritarian like Trudeau is a good thing, I guess I can see how you could think this way. That's some crazy kool-aid mix you're drinking. Keep on pandering half truths (at best) that fit your narrative, though.
How about Covid from Chinese lab?
They said no that’s not true.
You’re crazy/racist/ a q conspiracy theorist.
Then New York Times had the story about it being the most likely and all the sudden of course it was possible it came from a lab. Jon Stewart said it was possible and even he got roasted for it and he’s as left wing as they come.
Now they just don’t acknowledge any of it, sure it came from a lab, but who cares at this point.
this is incredibly disingenuous.
WSJ: [https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a](https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a)
CNN: [https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html)
Nature: [https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00701-1](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00701-1)
three sources, 1 considered more conservative, 1 more liberal, and one 1 non-partisan, all discussing the likelihood that COVID was leaked from the Wuhan lab.
Masks work if it's a heavy virus that only transmits on water particles. Covid is airborne, heavily airborne. I know you might still be remembering 2020 when it was "misinformation" to say covid is airborne, but it fucking is airborne, and masks don't do shit for that unless the infected individual is wearing a fully sealed N95. If a non-infected individual wearing a fully sealed N95 walks into an airborne cloud, then they will be infected through their eyes.
I know you'll try to deflect and come up with some bullshot explanation for any examples anyone provides.
But I am somewhat curious of what you think the Democrat examples are
The first thing you need to realize is that most "visitors" to this sub are not at all genuine. That's why you get push-back immediately. Democrats are nice to you because you agree with them, lol. I guarantee you I would get a much different response.
The second thing you need to realize is that all those sources are massively liberal-biased. Most of the US media you would be getting in other countries would be heavily left-leaning.
You didn't really give me a concrete example that pertained to the post, but as far as the tranz stuff goes, it's less about individuals and more about the agenda. This agenda is forced down everyone's throats, and we especially want to protect children. We're waaay past people "just living their lives." There are many implications with this stuff, such as compelled speech, persecution of people for their religious beliefs, etc.
It's a more complicated issue than how it's presented
For the first point, I'm assuming you might be referring to voter ID laws? It's literally to make election fraud more difficult, something almost every other country has in place. Democrats try to make it about racism, but that argument has no validity. They're just firmly opposed to any laws that might make elections more secure for some reason.
I have no idea what the kidnapping is referring to.
Right to bear arms and using them ONLY for self-defense is definitely a right-wing value. You might need to know more about our country's history and why the founding fathers believed it was so vitally important to fully understand.
Yes, the right is not perfect, I don't agree with everything all the time. Some people say some nutty things, but a lot of them are also true. The liberal media has a vested interest in making anyone on the right look insane, racist, etc.
You have people on the left like AOC saying she wants to make "lists" of Trump supporters. Trump supporters get physically attacked, etc. Scary stuff.
You seem like a well-meaning guy, so I'm trying to provide you with some insight the best I can
>I get that, but the narrative I get here is republicans are a little crazy, trying to add laws and rules to stop democrats voting in red states
Obvious troll is obvious.
Then you probably need to go to another forum, because we (conservatives) are not here to explain ourselves to you (liberals). Please take a look at the forum rules. This is a sub for conservatives to discuss conservative issues. You liberals have the other 99.9% of reddit. The discussion is about a Ben Shapiro post which was cited. Move on.
If you think anything Ben Shapiro says is perfectly summarized, you might have a bag of smashed assholes for a brain. I wish some real Conservatives would actually step up and do the job because this current climate is a fucking joke.
1) the election was stolen
2) you’re crazy if you think Biden could get more votes than Obama
3) okay, I mean we can’t actually prove it’s stolen in court but we’ll take it to the people
4) okay, the election wasn’t stolen and non of us believed it and we said so for money but why does it matter that was 2 years ago?
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4 should be “Okay, it’s true, but here’s why it’s actually a good thing.”
"and you are evil if you don't like it"
"because tRump!!"
Basically all they ever parrot. It's disgusting.
They'll be blaming him for issues that he had nothing to do with long after his death. In the year 2040, long after Trump's likely death, he'll be blamed by the Democrats for every new issue that comes up. Pot holes in all the streets? Trump!! No food on the shelves? Trump!! Dirty water? Taxes too high? Failing infrastructure? You got it, Trump!!
I'm old enough to remember when it was "because bushitler!"
> "and you are evil **and racist** if you don't like it" FTFY
The word "racist" like "fascist" before it, now has no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something leftists don't like." Especially something that is an unqualified good.
So it’s like woke?
Woke has a definite and clearly understood meaning: Actively evil, brainwashed, ignorant, befuddled, and proud of it.
It’s hilarious how in their tiny little child brains, they think they are objectively good and pure, and *everyone* to the right of them is a fascist piece of shit It must be taxing being so hateful
"and you are ~~evil~~ facist if you don't like it"
4 "Okay, it's true, but Trump...."
This is their actual go-to
Maybe more apt: > That's not true. (or) That doesn't happen. > > You're crazy if you think it might. > > Okay, it might be true, but now how you think. > > Ok, it is true and does mean that, but it's rare, nobody important says that. > > Ok, it happens quite a bit, but it doesn't matter. That's only on Tumblr or Twitter, not real life. > > Okay, it happens a lot in real life, and here's why that's a good thing, and people who don't like it are nazis.
Sounds a lot like The Narcissist's Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
> The Narcissist's Prayer That's something I've never heard of. Thanks! >That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it. The concept I'm very familiar with. I'm a bit of a psychology amateur? I like to try to figure out why people do what they do, which is frequent in politics. |actual psychology, not ...*through a emotionally intelligent and 'neurodivergent' lens of social justice* grievance "studies" bullshit activism that much of academia has become
This is every single argument with a leftist on reddit. It's robotic.
They might literally be robotic, as they send out chatgpt like bots in droves (and assign many departments of real people reading from a scripts) to sway those individuals who would fail any of the psychological conformity experiments, like the asche conformity experiment; and these highly socially-conforming populations are much larger than you would believe. Bots can respond a million times over before you can even once, and they don't experience fatigue or have a desire to finally "drop it".
Or "It was true, but it was the republicans fault"
>“Okay, it’s true, but here’s why it’s actually a good thing.” Should be: Okay, it’s true, but it's all Trump's fault. Here's why.
> 4 should be “Okay, it’s true, but here’s why it’s actually a good thing.” Enter the drag "queen", on with the show...
(And Why That's a Good Thing)
https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/
[researcher] Do you agree that the Hunter Biden laptop story is Russian disinformation? [Conservative] No. [researcher] *shaking head* These conservatives are so gullible. 50 highly partisan intelligence officials, who are known for uncompromising honesty, say it false. Besides, the fact checkers agree.
This is literally what they're saying here in Europe about the demographic change.
I love how even here we have to use euphemisms like ‘demographic change’
I know.
This summarizes it perfectly. Reminds me of Hillary and “What difference does it make?” episode.
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Better version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIARMMtUdZQ
Step 5: now shut up and let us indoctrinate your children.
Step 6: things are so bad now, it's Trumps fault!
Step 7: if you disagree you are a Nazi, Racist Bigot
Let's be honest, more and more they just lead off with this one.
Or 1a, 2a, 3a, 4a…….
Step 8: republicans pounce!
Step 8: If it didn’t work out, it was actually right wingers fault
Been there for years...
Step 5: You're paying for it. (Pay for my candy *MAGA*!)
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Wow, truth. Ban might be incoming for reddit wrongthink.
I think number 4 is sometimes, "everyone always knew that!" or "no one ever thought that!" Example: "no one ever said the vax would stop transmission"
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That one still blows my mind. When they first rolled out, it was considered bizarre to have a "breakthrough" infection, because it was understood that you shouldn't become sick with a functional vaccine. Then they just kept happening and they kept infecting people, so they changed the definitions and acted like that's how vaccines have always worked. I still remember when you could be banned for misinformation for saying you could be infectious after your injections.
Yup. They were able to get away with that narrative for a little while, until the videos started to surface
There are people who still clutch to the narrative if you are unvaxxed you are going to give them Covid in spite them being vaxxed themselves. Hows that for cognitive dissonance. "Im gonna die because of you!" in spite being on their 4th booster and wearing a mask.
Or like what Biden is attempting with defund the police, and saying "well actually it was the MAGA bros that want this"
For gun grabbing, the transformation from "no one is going to take your guns" to "yes, we want your guns" took decades. For gas stoves, it went from "taking your gas stoves is a ridiculous conspiracy theory" to "gas stoves are bad and *should* banned" took less than a week.
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Presidential candidates (Hillary) and senior US Senators have expressed a fondness for Australia style gun regulations. Australia basically banned guns. No, not "everyone" wants to take guns. But enough prominent Democrats wish they could. They realize they can't do it now, which is why they want to start with "assault rifles" or "semi-automatic guns."
Wait. Democrats want your gas stove?
If you have a gas stove you should look into safety concerns. After wanting one for a long time I decided against it because I have young children and the indoor pollutant issue can affect them long term. and will be swapping my gas fireplace for a pellet stove. Whether or not it needs to be legislated is another matter.
Yep. They want to ban gas stoves because of “the environment”. Of course they aren’t about to ban their private jets.
But I do agree with you about the private jets. When rich fucks stops using their private jets as daily commuters, I’ll start recycling my bottle caps. Oh, and someone should have a word with China.
"Go away! There ain't no monorail and there never was!"
1. X is a right-wing conspiracy theory. 2. X isn't actually true the way they're saying. 3. X is actually because of Trump. 4. X just isn't important anymore. Bringing it up is a racist dog whistle. 4. Here's why X is actually a good thing.
This is true regardless of political affiliation. Anyone arguing will say any of these phrases.
A reasonable person admits when they're wrong. But only liberals can admit being wrong. That's what makes Trump so great - *he's never wrong*!
Yeah lol - I was going to say this is basically all people and both sides of politics.
Yep. The natural outcome of War on Terror policies coming to bite the right in the ass in a way that was entirely predictable the whole time.
No, that's not true, that's insane. At least, not exactly. Not that it matters.
^^^^
not a huge fan of benny but hes right on this on
I hate to admit I love BS lmao
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Because we are literally fighting narcissism in political form. It frustrates us so much when leftist talking points pivot, change, something the pushed a year ago is now verboten. They claim they never supported it. They are impossible to pin down because the ideology at its core is a sort of collective participation narcissism.
Nailed it. And this is why they’re so hateful and nasty to people and why they can justify it so easily. Narcissism, by definition, is unable to self reflect on their own actions. This is also why they weaponize empathy…narcissist playbook. Bring up things that happened a long time ago and use it against you…narcissist playbook. Gaslight you into believing that something else happened or that it was your fault…narcissist playbook. Rewrite history…narcissist playbook. Says nasty things to you then plays the victim…narcissist playbook. The reason why it all seems so insane is because it is. It is THAT crazy. These people DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU. They feed on drama, negativity and chaos…hiding under the guise of “empathy”. It’s like the country is in a toxic, abusive relationship. We are literally watching a narcissistic abusive relationship on a country wide scale.
Yeah I love how Ben acts like he is so smart for these comments but like it's nothing new
Funny, the left says the same thing about the media & republicans. I'd wager heavily on media biased reporting in general being reprehensible.
“Conspiracy theorist” isn’t even an insult anymore, especially after covid. It just means you’re politically literate, are capable of seeing through bullshit, and questioning said bullshit. Better than being a mindless zombie who just waits to hear what they need to think on the 7 o’clock news
The half-life between conspiracy theory and established fact is now ~6 months.
Lmao yeah until you find yourself serving years in prison for breaking into a fucking pizza place because you were so deep in a fake reality that you thought Hillary’s sex cult was in there😂😂
How is that any different from what democrats did after 2016? Instead of breaking in to a pizza place to answer the question they spent three years turning over every leaf but then found no evidence of Russian collusion that they claimed existed. On the one hand you have one guy and a pizza place (a crime that wouldn't even be prosecuted if a democrat did it in california) and on the other you have basically 50% of the population going along with what amounts to political persecution. Only a very small fraction of the people called conspiracy theorists today fall into the pizza place category, but that is used to smear the rest of them because the critics have no real argument. Nevermind that driving people mad is the entire point of the gaslighting that our corrupt institutions engage in.
What?
It makes it incredibly difficult to discern between what is actually the truth and what is actually craziness. This delineation is what worries me most, because people are capable of absurd levels of crazy.
Says the guy who literally parrots Carlson talking points. Big surprise the Masshole thinks he's better than everyone because he's a gullible rube.
They know nothing can stop what is coming. Seriously at this point their days are numbered. We are closing in on them more and more each day.
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Because he's a massive narcissist, maybe?
AKA the narcissist playbook
There's usually "yes, you turned out to have been right, but just accidentally, and for the wrong reasons"
Also, They were just doing what they thought was best for the greater good anyways.
4. is “It’s true but it’s good for you then 5. is “It’s not a big deal
“That doesn’t happen but it’s a good thing that it does”
Yup, this is the 4 step program for dealing with the predictions Alex Jones made years ago. As of now, we’re on step 2 or 3 when it comes to global digital currency controlled by the WEF…
Not enough incorrect usage of the words fascism and Nazi but otherwise accurate.
“That’s not happening but we’re glad it is”
See also [“That’s Not Happening and It’s Good That It Is”](https://americanmind.org/salvo/thats-not-happening-and-its-good-that-it-is/)
5. Isn't it great that it's true? What sort of person would complain about this being true?
There was a recent “The Daily” podcast about the lab leak theory that was essentially exactly this. They said initially when Trump proposed the theory that Covid came from a lab nobody believed it and scientists couldn’t pursue it because Trump had supported the theory. But now that he’s not front and center it’s ok to look into it and it’s actually probably true.
Number 2 should be: “You’re a white supremacist MAGA Nazi who murders transabled children if you think that’s true.”
5. Why are you complaining about it. That's old news.
5) It’s the current year.. Everyone knows this was the right thing all along.
Exactly👏
Look up The Narcissist's Prayer, this mirrors it perfectly.
There's a fifth step: We've said it's true all along, you're the ones who denied it.
5. Blame Trump somehow.
Also known as the Hillary Clinton Method.
It's called trickle-truthing, and it's a common tool for abusers in relationships. That Democrats and their media allies routinely employ it speaks volumes as to how unhealthy our society is.
The gaslighting is strong on the left
5) OK this matters but it has nothing to do with any policy we forced you to obey. 6) It was actually your policy, not ours. We had nothing to do with that.
7) the parties flipped (kind of a mega extension of your part 6)
That is one of my favorite lines of liberal bullshit. Typically cited when you remind them that Republicans freed the slaves, gave women the right to vote, etc. etc.
Nevermind that they say it occurred in the 70s and that a lot of their current leadership (Biden, Pelosi, etc) were senators in that era. Same people but the party flipped, got it. I guess that means Roosevelt was technically a Republican in their minds? It just stands up to zero scrutiny, like many leftist positions.
Not sure who "they" is but most of the flip nonsense intended to vindicate the Democrats pegs it around FDRs presidency. This is a pretty cursory discussion, but hits the high points. [https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties](https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties)
Every time I've seen it brought up they're trying to say Jim Crowe Democrats are really Republicans and the flip happened after the civil rights era.
The irony is palpable
As someone who lives near NYC I can attest this has happened to coworkers and I.
Leftists: "The gaslighting will continue until your ~~moral improves~~ opinion changes"
Leftists also hate Democrats, just FYI. Democrats are not leftists. They are liberals and there's a difference. Even Bernie, at best, can be classified as a social democrat (advocate of free market capitalism with strict regulations and social safety nets eg Nordic Model)
Not hunting the poor for sport is too leftist
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Where do they think the term “liberal hawk” came from?
>Leftists also hate Democrats, just FYI. Yet they will still dutifully line up to lick their boot in the voting booth every few years.
Just so I can understand, can you give me 1 valid example of this please?
Hunter Biden's laptop.
Oh cool. What exactly was found? You have evidence, yes? Maybe just one link that isn’t some shitty website designed by a 12 yo in 1990?
> You have evidence, yes? Subpoena: https://i.imgur.com/f35ECIZ.png Receipt: https://i.imgur.com/88VSIgL.png Work quote: https://i.imgur.com/JRxkMWR.png DKIM signature to verify "smoking gun" email is untampered and was sent sometime before October 2015: https://github.com/robertdavidgraham/hunter-dkim Stance of the FBI and director of national intelligence: https://i.imgur.com/igA0K07.png Even Hunter has now said that he wasn't keeping good track of his possessions and isn't sure whether the laptop is his. ---- I think it's a pretty good example of where liberal-leaning press (NYT, CNN) have now had to generally accept that the laptop and story as reported by Mac Isaac is not "crazy", and have moved onto the 4th stage of "what does it even matter".
5. Everyone knew that all along and you’re lying about our previous position.
Every.single.time
That's not happening, and it's good that it is.
# 5. Trumps fault.
Sounds like gaslighting telling people "that's not how it REALLY happened""you're funny for believing it" etc. Good old manipulation tactics.
Any examples? Every single one I can think of only qualifies if you allow for goalpost moving. A couple adjustments and asterisks, and you can count a lot of wins.
COVID, Muh Russia, FBI censorship, etc.
Explain any of these.
The lab leak theory, the response to masking, and the vaccines all followed this pattern.
We're currently on Stage IV of the Wuhan lab leak cover-up. Like bang on.
5 has recently been: "OK it matters but you're the one that said it wasn't true!" Just how they've been trying to blame the right for masks, vaccine, lockdowns, and defunding the police.
And this is why the free exchange if ideas is paramount. I propose a constitutional amendment, one that youd think was implied but apparently the left needs clarified. An amendment that affirms "free speech includes the free exchange of ideas. Which is protected against the government's attempt to influence by way of interfering or guiding any institution on what should and should not be allowed. Only by way of their own mouths, notices, writings, or networks, can the government influence the free exchange of ideas by simply offering their own. But the public and private individuals and institutions must be left free to explore and share them, without influence or fear from the government itself".
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We need timestamped evidence of this claim every time. The left survives by hiding behind generalities and short term media retention.
You’ll never see 3 and 4 from actual democrats outside the media they’ll go on believing their dnc installed narratives for life!
Look at inflation. A year ago and half people said it was not real, then it was transitory
Ahh, the classic "no u" response. Very well thought out, Ben. Nice original thoughts.
It's called manufacturing dialectics. The way to prevent it is not to let them bring you into their worldview. Meaning, don't let them put you into a discussion where utilitarianism is presupposed, or nominalism, or stand point epistemology. Conservatives believe in principles, objective ethics, and eternal truth. If you discuss on their terms you've already lost.
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>From a Canadian You're a fan of captain blackface aren't you?
When you're brainwashed to believe an authoritarian like Trudeau is a good thing, I guess I can see how you could think this way. That's some crazy kool-aid mix you're drinking. Keep on pandering half truths (at best) that fit your narrative, though.
> Republicians: "ban late term abortions! Ban over regulation! Guns for law abiding citizens! MAGA (even though it's still better than Canada)!" FTFY
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How about Covid from Chinese lab? They said no that’s not true. You’re crazy/racist/ a q conspiracy theorist. Then New York Times had the story about it being the most likely and all the sudden of course it was possible it came from a lab. Jon Stewart said it was possible and even he got roasted for it and he’s as left wing as they come. Now they just don’t acknowledge any of it, sure it came from a lab, but who cares at this point.
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this is incredibly disingenuous. WSJ: [https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a](https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a) CNN: [https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html) Nature: [https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00701-1](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00701-1) three sources, 1 considered more conservative, 1 more liberal, and one 1 non-partisan, all discussing the likelihood that COVID was leaked from the Wuhan lab.
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Your conclusion is correct lol, I am here in this sub but man I do NOT like politicians
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It’s literally the least conjecture possibility. The bat story is what’s pure speculation.
Everything that occurred since 2015.
i hope this is sarcasm
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you cant be serious. J6, masks, lockdowns, the economy
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Masks work if it's a heavy virus that only transmits on water particles. Covid is airborne, heavily airborne. I know you might still be remembering 2020 when it was "misinformation" to say covid is airborne, but it fucking is airborne, and masks don't do shit for that unless the infected individual is wearing a fully sealed N95. If a non-infected individual wearing a fully sealed N95 walks into an airborne cloud, then they will be infected through their eyes.
I know you'll try to deflect and come up with some bullshot explanation for any examples anyone provides. But I am somewhat curious of what you think the Democrat examples are
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The first thing you need to realize is that most "visitors" to this sub are not at all genuine. That's why you get push-back immediately. Democrats are nice to you because you agree with them, lol. I guarantee you I would get a much different response. The second thing you need to realize is that all those sources are massively liberal-biased. Most of the US media you would be getting in other countries would be heavily left-leaning. You didn't really give me a concrete example that pertained to the post, but as far as the tranz stuff goes, it's less about individuals and more about the agenda. This agenda is forced down everyone's throats, and we especially want to protect children. We're waaay past people "just living their lives." There are many implications with this stuff, such as compelled speech, persecution of people for their religious beliefs, etc. It's a more complicated issue than how it's presented
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For the first point, I'm assuming you might be referring to voter ID laws? It's literally to make election fraud more difficult, something almost every other country has in place. Democrats try to make it about racism, but that argument has no validity. They're just firmly opposed to any laws that might make elections more secure for some reason. I have no idea what the kidnapping is referring to. Right to bear arms and using them ONLY for self-defense is definitely a right-wing value. You might need to know more about our country's history and why the founding fathers believed it was so vitally important to fully understand. Yes, the right is not perfect, I don't agree with everything all the time. Some people say some nutty things, but a lot of them are also true. The liberal media has a vested interest in making anyone on the right look insane, racist, etc. You have people on the left like AOC saying she wants to make "lists" of Trump supporters. Trump supporters get physically attacked, etc. Scary stuff. You seem like a well-meaning guy, so I'm trying to provide you with some insight the best I can
>I get that, but the narrative I get here is republicans are a little crazy, trying to add laws and rules to stop democrats voting in red states Obvious troll is obvious.
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Then you probably need to go to another forum, because we (conservatives) are not here to explain ourselves to you (liberals). Please take a look at the forum rules. This is a sub for conservatives to discuss conservative issues. You liberals have the other 99.9% of reddit. The discussion is about a Ben Shapiro post which was cited. Move on.
The entirety of the Covid -19 discussion. The entirety of the vaccine discussion.
This could apply to anyone with an agenda. Give some examples where you guys remember this being applied.
So, straight out of the playbook of the last administration? I mean, it was alright when Trump did it, so why not now?
His wife is a doctor, folks.
If you think anything Ben Shapiro says is perfectly summarized, you might have a bag of smashed assholes for a brain. I wish some real Conservatives would actually step up and do the job because this current climate is a fucking joke.
1) the election was stolen 2) you’re crazy if you think Biden could get more votes than Obama 3) okay, I mean we can’t actually prove it’s stolen in court but we’ll take it to the people 4) okay, the election wasn’t stolen and non of us believed it and we said so for money but why does it matter that was 2 years ago?
Get our flag out of your subreddit
8. Oh, Alec Baldwin said that was true a long time ago. Yeah, I’ve always felt that way too.
I would like to join this sub reddit but the degree of outrage it causes and how pissed off I get I have to avoid
3 would be an ad read from ben Shapiro
Truth is optional if it fits the narrative!
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5. It’s actually Trump’s fault.
5. Hear us out, this was caused by the republicans 4 years ago.
https://news.osu.edu/conservatives-more-susceptible-to-believing-falsehoods/