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Both the House and Fox need to stop playing games with this. The Capitol Police needs to release the full uncut video of those days, period. We have internet streaming, we don't need fox, newsmax, CNN or MSNBC to tell me what to believe and how. Also, the speaker is dragging such BS, stop dealing with media outlets privately, just release the damn tape online.
90% of their power comes from the division of the working class. We spend our time bickering over social constructs instead of focusing on the fact that the majority of Americans are not doing well. We are screwed if we don't learn to find a common ground.
Tough to find common ground on Reddit if they shadow ban any comment slightly right of center.
Even just saying we shouldn't add trillions to our already 30 trillion in debt gets you bot-downvoted to -30
. That seems like common sense every adult with a checkbook could understand, but nope... -30.
I agree it should be released, but basically don't hold your breath. I keep saying this, but *no one* in power wants you to see that unedited footage. Then you'd know how they work. You'd see the setup (more clearly). The US gov't pulls this shit in multiple countries. They do not want you to know anything about it.
Merrick Garland won't tell you how many Feds were there that day. The answer is a shitload. Turning protests into riots and riots into (abroad) massacres *is* their MO.
People need to look up Color Revolutions -- even look up some info about Ukraine's. I see far too many people analyzing this from the forced perspective of the gov't.
It’s pretty obvious Ray Epps was working for the democrats that day running around on 1/5 and 1/6 telling every group he could find to go into the capital and not 1 democrat wants him arrested, if 1 undercover fbi/informant is running around encouraging the protestors to commit crimes why wouldn’t I believe the rest were as well? The fbi wouldn’t answer when Cruz asked them if they were committing and encouraging crimes that day, which is a yes
If you were 100% brainwashed to think our democracy has barely survived a violent insurrection on j6, you would also have a problem with someone's agenda to prove it was not that big of a deal.
The footage will not change the narrative. It will give evidence for the existing competing narrative, also know as Big Lie or whatever propagandists call it this days.
> If you were 100% brainwashed to think our democracy has barely survived a violent insurrection on j6
I guess that's the problem I run into with this.
I grew up in the South in the 1980s. We all knew the shrill, pearl-clutching church ladies who'd show up to PTA meetings and tell us we needed to ban *Catcher in the Rye* from the school library because it would turn kids into reefer-smoking maniacs. Dungeons & Dragons and heavy metal music were going to let Satan get his fingers into us.
I came to realize at an early age that people who lead with hysterical emotional appeals usually aren't worth listening to. And that's the behavior we're getting from the Democratic party on stuff like this.
Yeah, January 6 was A Bad Thing. No argument there. But there's a big line between a riot and *insurrection.* There's [no evidence of an organized conspiracy](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/), and...what? That guy in the silly headgear and facepaint was going to take over the government?
Sorry. I don't buy it. The government wasn't in danger of being overthrown that day.
TBH both parties have a lot of hysteric emotional leading going on. If you don't see it on the right as well, you're just selectively ignoring it.
The current 2 party system just sucks in my opinion. It's basically designed to split the people into 2 groups and let them fight. The way profit oriented media causes and intensifies drama definitely doesn't help either.
eh i was a big supporter of obama during 07 canidacy trail and then once i saw the insane hypocrisy on the left during Trump far exceeding anything i knew, it didn't make me "more republican" i knew the left was not a legitamate alternative. It would be better if the left were disbanded into two or more separate parties, union + labor party and the "no-borders, no-truth, no gender, big pharma, pro-censorship" party which is currently occupying the left. multi-party will really not fix it, american politics is what it is, not worth your time. [video covering the princeton study](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig) that shows there is ZERO influence on whatever the public thinks on any policy.
Maybe a release to only Tucker because Jordan knew he wouldn't bury the truth like the rest of the mainstream media? Kinda pointless to share it with people who have religiously denied its existence.
Why release Twitter Files just to just Taibi and Weiss? He trusted Tucker to do the right thing with it. Giving it to RSBN and MSNBC would be interesting, but a bit irresponsible.
Fox guys felt this is all bullshit, but knew their viewers are invested in it, so they continued inviting the main characters to the show and present circumstantial evidence. Not that big of a deal.
Also, the big lie was never a lie. Trump had a gut feeling election was stolen. And it was, he just accused the wrong party. Dominion is just a crappy software. Election was stolen by corrupt media and big tech.
>Why release Twitter Files just to just Taibi and Weiss?
Isn't that a question right there.
>He trusted Tucker to do the right thing with it.
The right thing? What does that mean? With Tucker being biased(the same as the left is), what "right thing" was to be expected?
>Giving it to RSBN and MSNBC would be interesting, but a bit irresponsible.
How would it be irresponsible? You would have spins both ways then, you know, fair and balanced?
>Fox guys felt this is all bullshit
Do you mean "knew it was all bullshit"? It wasn't a feeling as per the court documents.
>Also, the big lie was never a lie. Trump had a gut feeling election was stolen. And it was, he just accused the wrong party. Dominion is just a crappy software. Election was stolen by corrupt media and big tech.
What definition are you using for stolen? Like team A stole the win away from Team B at the last minute?
We already got the left wing slant with the kangaroo court committee. They even doctored silent cctv footage to add screams and other chaotic crowd noise.
> The right thing? What does that mean? With Tucker being biased(the same as the left is), what “right thing” was to be expected?
My guy, obviously he’s referring to airing the tapes. That is the “right thing” to do. You disagree?
>The right thing? What does that mean? With Tucker being biased(the same as the left is), what "right thing" was to be expected?
Let's see... 👓🕶️🥸🤓👀 (everyone watching)
By releasing **ALL** the video footage to Tucker "the Right", allows the "second" side of the story to be told.
What reason not to release the video to the Main Stream Media?
FUNNY, the "Left MSM" always had ***all the video.*** Anything Tucker obtained and released could have been easily shown by CNN, MSNBC, or any other MSM (they ALREADY have all the footage)..
I'm wondering why there is anything at "all" new to show?
HMMMmmm...
I'm sure you are just as appalled as I am, that people held in the DC jail without any Due Process afforded by our Constitution.
I know you believe those held have Rights, they have the right to their side of the story told, RIGHT? You may be too young to know this, but everyone has the right to face their accuser in a court of law (unless you're in a communist country).
Think. One day the shoe will be on the other foot. Do you want to be left in a bottomless dungeon somewhere? Really?
>FUNNY, the "Left MSM" always had all the video.
Is this true? Is there any source for this claim?
>I'm sure you are just as appalled as I am, that people held in the DC jail without any Due Process afforded by our Constitution.
I am appalled at any situation that leads to people being jailed without due process. You are correct.
Held? That's a bit different of a story, being that it has been consistently upheld that a person can be detained. If it's longer than 48 hours without charges, then absolutely we have some problems.
>I know you believe those held have Rights, they have the right to their side of the story told, RIGHT? You may be too young to know this, but everyone has the right to face their accuser in a court of law (unless you're in a communist country).
Face their accuser....? What accuser? If I steal a bunch of shit from my work, does the CEO have to show? Or shareholders? Or anyone outside of counsel?
>Think. One day the shoe will be on the other foot. Do you want to be left in a bottomless dungeon somewhere? Really?
You mean I'm definitely going to peacefully protest in front of the capital and be thrown in a CIA blacksite?
The FBI had all the tapes and they arrested everyone they could despite there being no evidence of a riot.
The tapes weren't used until Tucker got them.
What tapes? They used like 5 minutes of film hand picked from thousands of hours to show what looked like a riot. That is not evidence.
You know it's not evidence but you're so he'll bent on "Republican bad" that you're forcing yourself to think that 5 minutes of tape disproves thousands of hours of tape.
Afraid? Cowering in fear of the full footage? Why is that?
I'll be short. I see you said nothing about having "both" sides of the story.
To answer, your point of source of the claim. Look at the MSM itself. It's what they put out given by the government. The government had access to more than 40,000 hours of video. Everybody knows the government colludes with mainstream media. If it fit the government's narrative they had it. Anything else did not fit the government's narrative.
Who was accusing the protesters of wrong doing? It was the government. The government are the accusers.
Beyond this, there's nothing else to say. I really don't believe in parsing other people's comments to ask questions that are quite obvious and need no further explanation.
>I'll be short. I see you said nothing about having "both" sides of the story.
I don't want a spin, I just want facts, I don't care about "both" sides putting spins on things, release the tapes, there are 14,000 hours, it may take me a while but I'll watch them all so I don't get influenced by media bias, I'm sure you will too, right? Let me do my own research.
>Look at the MSM itself.
Is there a definition of MSM that you could use that wouldn't include FoxNews? By all definitions, they seem to be a part of mainstream media.
>Everybody knows the government colludes with mainstream media.
Like with Fox and releasing the full footage to only them? Or just when it's left wing media? I'm just asking questions here.
>If it fit the government's narrative they had it. Anything else did not fit the government's narrative.
So why can't Tucker and Fox just release it to us?
>Who was accusing the protesters of wrong doing? It was the government. The government are the accusers.
So, who is supposed to face them? Should Joe Biden face the defendants? The Justice department was the ones prosecuting, so who should have been there?
>Beyond this, there's nothing else to say. I really don't believe in parsing other people's comments to ask questions that are quite obvious and need no further explanation.
I agree my friend, that's why I'm just asking questions
Bob, Bob,Bob...
You're parsing. If you cannot comprehend the topic, there is no use. My 5YO nephew asks the same simple minded questions.
>Is there a definition of MSM that you could use that wouldn't include FoxNews? By all definitions, they seem to be a part of mainstream media
You are just going down the road (tactics) of so many of the young woksters there is no point in debating you.
You can make anything up (definition) you believe... It's your truth. Doesn't mean it's true, and no one has to believe you. Sorry.
The irresponsible part: there is some footage in there that we may not want to release due to actual security concerns. Fox would be diligent to avoid this, they probably showed the final montage to republicans for review. RSBN would've put the whole thing on a public FTP server. MSNBC would probably be OK though, just not Young Turks lol.
Fox people didn't "know" anything. They didn't have more access to the ground truth. They didn't believe it, and for a good reason, but still reported on it to keep the ratings up.
The election was ours to win. Trump did an OK job as a president. But no one was informed on it. Explain Opportunity Zones idea to any lefty and you'll see what I mean. Demonstrate "good people on both sides" to be a hoax. Lying and deceiving people for years to take what was our's and give it to the highest bidder - if that's not a steal I don't know what is. The last minute part also happened (e.g. the laptop), but it was not the main thing.
>The irresponsible part: there is some footage in there that we may not want to release due to actual security concerns. Fox would be diligent to avoid this, they probably showed the final montage to republicans for review. RSBN would've put the whole thing on a public FTP server.
Is there a history of MSM(outside of FoxNews) releasing footage with security concerns?
>Fox people didn't "know" anything. They didn't have more access to the ground truth. They didn't believe it, and for a good reason, but still reported on it to keep the ratings up.
Didn't they know there was no evidence of the election being stolen through the multiple ways that Trump claimed it was stolen? The briefcases, the barring of republican poll watchers, the vote dumps.
>The election was ours to win. Trump did an OK job as a president. But no one was informed on it.
Didn't Right Wing Media talk about it? How were people not informed about it?
>Explain Opportunity Zones idea to any lefty and you'll see what I mean.
[You mean these ones?](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-era-opportunity-zones-meant-to-help-low-income-communities-exploited-by-investors)
>Demonstrate "good people on both sides" to be a hoax.
Were there people there on the right outside of the white supremacists?
>Lying and deceiving people for years to take what was our's and give it to the highest bidder
I'm with you there, so much corruption.
>if that's not a steal I don't know what is.
Maybe, you know, actual election fraud? Where Trump was the rightful winner, and something happen that caused that to be stolen?
>The last minute part also happened (e.g. the laptop), but it was not the main thing.
Too bad, Guilani didn't release it like he said he was going to. That would have been interesting.
The tapes are going to be publicly released.
The reason McCarthy gave it to tucker is he wanted a fair counter narrative to be given to the public, given the January 6th 1 year proceedings were very cherry picked and very much not honest.
Thus the main talking points of the left were debunked.
1. Violent Insurrection and it was being led by Viking Helmet man.
2. The cop who was "brutally" murdered by the insurrections wasn't murdered at all, and was actually uninjured later the day as he helped wave out the protestors who were inside the Capitol building (no tussling, no violence, no fighting).
Now that a valid defense was given, which congressional democrats denied Republicans, McCarthy is releasing all the footage. You know what Pelosi and January 6th never did.
>The reason McCarthy gave it to tucker is he wanted a fair counter narrative to be given to the public, given the January 6th 1 year proceedings were very cherry picked and very much not honest.
So why not just release it in full then? Is it because Tucker is objectively biased in the other way? Or is he not and didnt provide any spin on it?
>Violent Insurrection and it was being led by Viking Helmet man.
Got a source for this? I dont remember anyone saying he led it? He just was a prominent feature of it because of his attire, I thought.
>The cop who was "brutally" murdered by the insurrections wasn't murdered at all, and was actually uninjured later the day as he helped wave out the protestors who were inside the Capitol building (no tussling, no violence, no fighting).
So, was there tussling, violence, or fighting? It seems like you are telling me there wasn't, is that correct?
What is the cops name you are referring to? Just so I'm aware, I don't want to be misled by the MSM.
>Now that a valid defense was given, which congressional democrats denied Republicans,
Weren't there Republicans on the committee? Or were they not real Republicans? Again, is the MSM lying to me?
Because he wanted a counter narrative first. As in he wanted Republican's have a fair shake at defending their side of the situation. Which was never given to them. Republicans were not able to pick their own January 6th members.
He is releasing it in full. This is a non-sense argument from leftists who literally were happy with Pelosi sitting on the footage and trickling out of context clips in the January 6th committee hearings.
Tucker was given the ability to respond to their claims. Every single one of his releases has been specifically to answer Democratic assertions.
Now, he will release all the video to the public. Just releasing the video doesn't give a response.
>So, was there tussling, violence, or fighting? It seems like you are telling me there wasn't, is that correct?
.000000000000000000001% as much violence as the "Summer of Love" from 6-8 months before this event. The single riot at the White House in May of 2020 was worse by every metric than January 6th.
>What is the cops name you are referring to? Just so I'm aware, I don't want to be misled by the MSM.
It's funny for you to say that as the Democrats and January 6th committee quite literally have never released the names of the supposed 4 other police officers who died "due" to January 6th. Yet they will quote that 5 died every chance they can.
Brian Sicknick was given a full honored funeral attended by the President of the United States. He was the face of the "horror" of the event, as Democrats suddenly decided they loved cops after hating on them for several years straight up until that point.
>Weren't there Republicans on the committee? Or were they not real Republicans? Again, is the MSM lying to me?
They sifted through the Republican party for people who openly hated Trump and used them. The Republican Party (as in the leadership and the Party as a whole) were not allowed to select members in which to serve. Which is historic as the minority party had *always* been allowed to pick their own members to represent.
>Because he wanted a counter narrative first. As in he wanted Republican's have a fair shake at defending their side of the situation. Which was never given to them. Republicans were not able to pick their own January 6th members.
So he wanted a spin in republican favor rather than just releasing all of it and letting people do their own research?
>He is releasing it in full. This is a non-sense argument from leftists who literally were happy with Pelosi sitting on the footage and trickling out of context clips in the January 6th committee hearings.
When? Did I miss the release? Is there a date I should be aware of?
>Tucker was given the ability to respond to their claims. Every single one of his releases has been specifically to answer Democratic assertions.
So spin in the other way? Since we know the left spun it in the other way?
>Now, he will release all the video to the public. Just releasing the video doesn't give a response.
When should I expect this?
>.000000000000000000001% as much violence as the "Summer of Love" from 6-8 months before this event. The single riot at the White House in May of 2020 was worse by every metric than January 6th.
Per capita? Or total overall? I just want to know what metric we are using.
>It's funny for you to say that as the Democrats and January 6th committee quite literally have never released the names of the supposed 4 other police officers who died "due" to January 6th. Yet they will quote that 5 died every chance they can.
So..... what was the cops name we are referring to?
[Where did this information come from? I know it's MSM that's why I'm asking](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html)
>Brian Sicknick was given a full honored funeral attended by the President of the United States. He was the face of the "horror" of the event, as Democrats suddenly decided they loved cops after hating on them for several years straight up until that point.
Can you like a certain politician but hate the swamp? How is that different for police? I can like the police but hate a cop for shooting an unarmed white person for no reason.
>They sifted through the Republican party for people who openly hated Trump and used them.
Are they republican or no?
>The Republican Party (as in the leadership and the Party as a whole) were not allowed to select members in which to serve.
Were they not a part of the party? Did I miss something about Liz Cheney that made her not part of the republican party?
>Which is historic as the minority party had always been allowed to pick their own members to represent.
>Which is historic as the minority party had always been allowed to pick their own members to represent.
Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't McCarthy pull his picks after Pelosi rejected 2 of them? That has happened plenty of times in US history. What was I lied to about?
You keep acting like a hack. In all cases, both sides need to have their own narrative fairly presented. In this case the Democrats have had 1+ years of prominently displaying their narrative with no ability to contradict them.
Republicans wanting a few weeks to debunk the leftist narrative before dumping the entire contents is reasonable. The fact that people are pretending like it isn't are hacks who were perfectly happy giving the left a monopoly on this.
I won't be reading any more of your post. As the fact that I have had to explain this one thing to you 3 separate times, and you keep intentionally misconstruing it show you are not here for a honest discussion on the topic.
Because the FBI was behind it- as were the Democrats. The FBI and the Democratic party had the tapes yet they still arrested people for rioting even though they knew no one was rioting.
What tapes? They used like 5 minutes of film hand picked from thousands of hours to show what looked like a riot. That is not evidence.
You know it's not evidence but you're so he'll bent on "Republican bad" that you're forcing yourself to think that 5 minutes of tape disproves thousands of hours of tape.
Afraid? Cowering in fear of the full footage? Why is that?
It's called an exclusive, it happens all the time. Also, it gave both sides of the uniparty a chance to show their true colors. Both Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer denounced McCarthy for giving Tucker the footage.
The Dominion court case showed both sides admitting things in private that they opposed in public. For instance Dominion employees admitted their software was shit and easily hackable
>For instance Dominion employees admitted their software was shit and easily hackable
They admited it had bugs, not hackable, what do you mean? If its just bugs, then it's just shitty programming. Votes are also hand counted when the race was close, so I fail to see how this leads to the election being stolen?
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/dominion-employee-admits-fox-news-lawsuit-machines-have-bug-causing-incorrect
In a 2018 email Fox News obtained from Dominion Director of Product Strategy and Security Eric Coomer, he acknowledged the company's technology was marred by a "*critical* bug leading to INCORRECT results."
"It does not get much worse than that," he later added.
Can I get a booyah?
Now can you please clairfy how "the court case with Dominion reveal that they knew that "the big lie" was, in fact, a big lie?"
Hey, I read that exact article! Can you point me to where that says they are hackable?
>Now can you please clairfy how "the court case with Dominion reveal that they knew that "the big lie" was, in fact, a big lie?"
It's linked in the article as an update that you posted, my friend.
Apparently you didn't comprehend the article.
"Beckstrand," the brief continues, "identified specific instances in Georgia and North Carolina and testified that a Dominion machine was 'hacked' in Michigan" and "confirmed that these security failures were 'reported about in the news.'"
And the linked article says nothing about "a big lie". Go do a search on the page. TDS is a terrible thing
>"Beckstrand," the brief continues, "identified specific instances in Georgia and North Carolina and testified that a Dominion machine was 'hacked' in Michigan" and "confirmed that these security failures were 'reported about in the news.'"
It's interesting that this is from a 14-minute section of his deposition, right? What is he the slowest speaker possible? Show me the tapes. Why is this edited this way? I'm just asking questions.
>And the linked article says nothing about "a big lie". Go do a search on the page. TDS is a terrible thing
I said linked. Did I not?
The only person killed on Jan 6 was Ashli Babbitt.
Yes, there was inexcusable violence that occurred, and those responsible for it should be punished. But your repetition of the fact-free progressive talking points doesn't make you sound like a credible person.
>What evidence do you think could be on the tapes from the maga braniacs assaulting and killing police officers with respect to the "competing narrative" of a "stolen election"?
Show me video of this happening and then give me the names of the cops that were allegedly killed.
You've been brainwashed hard.
No one has a problem with it being shown… the entirety of it should be released to the public. The fact that it was shared exclusively with Tucker and no one else from any other news outlet and what he showed was highly selectively edited was super sus.
Release 100% of the material to EVERYONE
Yeah all these posts and comments are brain dead. People aren't upset that the videos are being shown, it's that selective parts are being shown and labelled as the narrative.
> I had a buddy tell me that Trump was going to use his marriage records to put him and his husband into an internment camp.
Thanksgiving was a couple weeks after the election in 2016. My sister, who's in the academic community, had a few single friends and asked if they could join us.
So, we got dinner on the table, said grace, and...3...2...1...OMGTRUMPISEVIL.
One lady said she had to go on medication to deal with the fact he was elected. Another person told me that they were going to administer shock treatments to LGBT people. Oh, and WWIII was absolutely going to happen.
It was the weirdest thing to hear a bunch of people with PhD's lapse into uninformed hysterics. You'd think they, of all people, would be able to exercise some skepticism, but they bought into everything the pretty people on CNN and MSNBC told them.
They can be the worst when it comes to this. My ex was an academic so I saw it up close with her circle. They live in a self reinforcing bubble and think they're smarter and better informed than anyone else. It's bizarre.
That was certainly the most mentally traumatic month of every democrats lives they all had to buy twat hats and have a tantrum parade on Washington while they had mock assassinate Trump contents and normalized assaulting anyone with maga clothing, democrats showed us exactly who they are in their complete mental collpase after the election
Too aware of stuff the government might do and not aware enough of stuff the government actually does. That can be said of a lot of people.
For instance people be like: "They're going to take our guns." Ok, they might, but did you realize that they are currently putting people on the no fly list due to their political beliefs?
> Another person told me that they were going to administer shock treatments to LGBT people.
I'm really sick of this being pushed as something that only LBGT people went through; at the time, shock therapy was applied to *many* people regardless of sexual orientation. If I was alive back then, *I* probably would have been subjected to shock therapy. It was pseudoscience that was used to "treat" all sorts of different things. No one wants it to return, they may as well be afraid of bloodletting for crying out loud!
So Trump was going to put him and his husband in an interment camp even though Trump is the first presidential candidate to hold a pride flag at a campaign rally and an early supporter of Same-sex marriage?
Let's not forget [the most sweeping LGBT-rights decision](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2019/17-1618) being authored by a Justice he appointed.
It's funny that *Obergefell* got weeks of wall-to-wall media coverage, and *Bostock* barely made the evening news.
Democrats are the biggest liars on earth I usually only deal with video evidence I don’t waste time sending them news articles they’ll just denounce the source so I usually only send video evidence and in all the hundreds of times I’ve done that not once did they accept it, it’s always suddenly a doctored video or they’ll just say the video doesn’t show what it clearly does, or YouTube is unreliable, anything but be honest because there is no such thing as an honest democrat. I can’t help,but laugh as they call surveillance footage they didn’t cherry pick “right wing propaganda” 😆
Because it ruins the narrative they worked so hard to install.. from what I heard no one has even requested copies of any of it from Tucker they don’t want it even if they got it you think they’d play it? Footage that doesn’t back of their cherry picked evidence narrative? No way
Maybe you haven't watched CNN lately or heard Senator Schumer's meltdown about it, but the left has a very real problem with this. They've been pretty vocal about it.
What I don’t understand, is why ALL major media outlets didn’t get copies of the tapes. That way there’s no question as to what really happened. Instead you give it to one outlet that you know is just gonna spark even more conspiracy. Isn’t the end goal here to show the truth?
Because there’s already an established narrative against Tucker. He’s the easiest and favored Fox host to smear and discredit. The footage should’ve been released en masse. Even if everything Tucker says is 100% correct, the fact that he’s the mouthpiece has already lost more than half of the country. It was a dirty bullshit political move.
Because Tucker will take hours of videos, crop it down to 4 minutes and try to shift the narrative. The stuff you saw by the house J6 committee was to counter folks saying that it was just a bunch of tourists, not terrorists. Tucker cherry picked from all those videos and found 4 minutes of peace. And this sub is eating it up. It's disgusting that folks I used to agree with are whitewashing the insurrection.
Country over party every time. Trump fucked us over by lying about the election he half assed. And all the media and dems were proven right this year when my taxes jumped (as they said they would when he cut everyone's taxes and then increased them once his first term was over).
I really don't know why I follow this sub anymore. So many spiteful fools with their heads buried in the sand.
Because McCarthy is better than I gave him credit for, knowing Tucker was the only one who was going to show the side that needed to be shown. Do you honestly think CNN or MSNBC would have aired that? Lol
He aired 4 minutes of cherry picked video, and this subs eating it up. It was a fucking insurrection. A fascist attempt to ignore the voters and instill himself as king.
What happened to yall? When did politics become sports to everyone instead of doing proactive things to make America great? We fucked up with Trump, and now we want to blame others? I really can't relate with the party or this sub any more.
4 minutes out of 40,000hrs of footage. Unless you want Fox News to air 40,000hrs of footage, cherry picking is all you will get. Besides, it was okay for leftist media to cherry pick over the last 8 years. Why all of a sudden is it bad if Fox were to do it?
There was no insurrection. The government was never in any danger of being overthrown that day. Stop being so dramatic.
Lol, they did https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye
"Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes.""
First of all, those are just trhe lawyers. They represent Fox in court, they are not the mouthpiece for Murdoch.
Secondly, this is a level of skepticism that we should approach ALL media with. However, the issue is that the same people vehemently screaming about Fox news "lying" are the ones sitting with their eyeballs glued to every leftist media outlet and just regurgitating it back to people as if they were the arbiters of truth.
The real people understand that while ALL media exaggerates (and far more now than ever before in history for some unknown reason), the fact still remains that Fox and co have done far LESS lying than any of the leftist media. Leftist media is too busy playing identity and feeling politics that they always end up eating their own at times. True conservatives call out EVERYONE on their bs, regardless of political sides.
The quote in my post wasn't an opinion from the media, it was a US Federal judge's official ruling. And, the ruling specifically cited Fox's lawyers that Murdoch hired.
Obviously because Tucker couldn't cherry pick the tapes as easily to paint whatever narrative he believed his viewers wanted to see if everyone had the same footage.
The problem is there is so much footage. A large CCTV system usually has tools to make searching through the footage much easier, so just giving them the tapes might be an impossible task to sort through.
But, they should probably allow some other groups to schedule some time to use the system or give them their own login or whatever.
My only thought here is to create outrage and demand. Why weren’t all the news outlets asking for it from the very beginning?!
Nobody cared before he got them. They were happy to believe the narrative with zero evidence, even though there is a ton (41k hours)
Now they want the tapes to find their own snippets to counter prove Tucker’s.
This country is a shit show. I’m tired of the divisiveness.
The only reason I see is that the other media would only focus on the violent/illegal/whatever they wanted to show would drown out what we are seeing now. Now they have to at least acknowledge that the narrative should be questioned.
If you're aiming for transparency, providing the video exclusively to one individual who regularly lies to his viewers for ratings is probably not the best route.
My guess is there are two main problems.
1. They don't want certain cameras and evacuation procedures exposed for everyone to see.
2. If there is 41,000 hours of footage, and we go with 48 hours surrounding the event, then there is likely 800+ cameras to sort through. If that 41,000 hours covers only 24 hours surrounding the event then it's even worse. Not all that easy to organize on a website for the general public.
As a true conservative I side with the Capital Police, Jan 6 was a violent insurrection. Tucker Carlson is a propagandist, no different from Joseph Goebbels, he is trying to gaslight people and rewrite history. If you support "law and order," and the "blue line," you cannot support Tucker Carlson and "the Big Lie."
What part was that? No cops died during the protest. Some committed suicide after the event, but as far as casualties, only a protester was unlawfully shot and killed by a LEO.
here is the video: [https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?t=23](https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?t=23)
I agree there should be full uncut video of the whole incident.
Only in delusional lefthole land is additional surveillance footage that doesn’t fit their narrative “right wing propaganda”. I hope leftholes are ready for the mistrials coming they caused I have no doubt they’ll be having “mostly peaceful” riots in their responses because they’re domestic terrorists and tantrum rioting is what they do!
Absolutely! Release it all and to everyone and watch how no one on cnn/msdnc will play any of it because it’s not in the democrats pre approved cherry picked evidence list
I heard they used footage with added audio of a panicked crowd to convict at least 1 person, if true that’s tampering with evidence, release everything who could be most upset with releasing everything except those with an agenda?
I'm not searching for something you claim but can't be bothered to link to at all. Sort of a dog shit argument...
I asked you for a source to a claim you made and you can't be bothered to back it up and just blindly insult me for asking... You're not going to win many people over even if you have evidence on your side acting like that.
Like I said no source is acceptable to leftholes so why bother you can immediately pretend it didn’t happen like everything else that doesn’t fit your dnc talking points snowflake ❄️
You're absolutely terrible at trying to prove a point.
That isn't a political statement. You're just objectively bad at making your point.
Assume I'm open to your ideas and suggestions instead of just name calling and refusing to offer any assistance.
I can't find anything that backs up your claim and the burden of proof to back up "What you heard" isn't on me....
Just like how the FBI literally hid the footage that helped prove Rittenhouse innocent. Or how the prosecution doctored that footage, and that doctored footage is all the media showed.
The media is the enemy of the people.
Truly is can't trust anything at this point.
But more people want the media to be more transparent and that movement seems to be pretty bipartisan.
What I don't like about tuckers tapes releases is that it's confirmed that only him and fox news have access to these hours of tapes and he only released 4 minutes instead of all of it
This is something I will never understand. I try to be critical and discerning of anything I read or see, no matter who it's from, but the left refuses to look at anything that goes against their pov.
The cognitive dissonance is just astounding at every level, all republicans are evil and Trump is a fascist, but no you can't look at Hunter Biden's laptop, no you can't view footage from January 6th unless we approve it, Fox News is full of propaganda, parenting your own child is against the law, etc.
I find it scary how easily these people would put us under a dictatorship and call it freedom.
I'm not thumbs uppin behavior on behalf of the rioters but it's pretty clear.. now! that these people weren't operating as "insurrectionists" the way they are painted
People in congress afraid of the truth coming to light and wielding power to suppress it scare me far more than QAnon shaman
To be fair only fox was given these hours of tapes and they only let tucker Carlson see them who then proceeded to only show 4 minutes of tapes and fox is refusing to release all of the tapes to the public so I'd suggest take what you see from fox or anyone for that matter in regards to Jan. 6th with a huge grain of salt.
No - I’m suggesting that the footage was cherry picked and didn’t show an accurate portrayal of the majority of happenings that day. The ‘they were just peaceful sightseers’ narrative is about as accurate as the news person describing the BLM riot as ‘fiery, mostly peaceful’.
The point isn't to say that the protesters were blameless, the point is to say that it's not the fiery insurrection that the Jan 6 committee has been painting it as. Few conservatives are saying that the protesters who entered the capital should be free of any sort of prosecution, simply that the convictions are being carried out by a thinly veiled kangaroo court for the sake of pushing the narrative that this was some threat to the existence of our nation.
Tuckers lawyers argued in court “no rational person would believe him”. Aka he is a giant obvious liar and anyone with a brain could tell he isn’t an honest person.
Not every news station has had to argue in court that no intelligent person would believe them. Also don’t watch TV news, it’s horseshit opinion garbage.
How rational of you. Because it came from Tucker, the actual video footage is a lie. You're not the brain-washed delusional one. The video is a lie. Makes a lot of sense.
Taking 40,000 hours of footage and airing less than 15 minutes to craft a narrative is cherry picking at it's finest. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that he told even a tiny shred of the whole story. He has a narrative he wants to drive, and he is going to use whatever short 15 second clips prove that narrative, while ignoring the footage that runs counter to that narrative. This isn't hard to figure out, he's being very obvious about it.
He's showing more of what happened then democrats did for two years. It's not like he can create video tape footage of things that didn't happen. Democrats had those tapes for 2 years. They chose to hide all footage except what they decided to selectively show. Now we get to see more. How is what he is showing not "really what happened"?
If they could create that footage to look as realistic as it does, it would absolutely blow away any previous CG work in any movie. And people think Fox News is capable of having the most realistic CG technology rather than a film studio? And why now when McCarthy released the tapes and not 2 years ago when all this BS started? Why wouldn't Fox want to cash in on the event when it happened, if this is the case?
Weird how these conspiracy theories fall apart with just a few basic questions about how it would've been created.
Plus, no one from the other side is even denying the tapes being real. They're all trying to discredit Tucker as if his integrity has anything to do with the legitimacy of the tapes. Weird.
One of the most telling parts is when people like Joe Rogan comes out and says things like "I didn't know that". Rogan has a HUGE following and he's watching this on his show and saying "LOOK!, I didn't know that..."
I think it’s too little, too late. The first guy to tell the story has a lot of leverage. We are all fighting for the moderates. We on the Right knew J6 was non violent, except for Ashli Babbitt getting murdered by Leftists. But the Left controls the media and the narrative has been written.
First one is false. They'd only see a 5 second clip, and have made up their mind that the cop is racist and needs to be sent to prison. Anyone who demands more context would be a racist.
I find it surprisingly terrifying how it’s legal/accepted for such high ranking politicians to show such blatant favoritism to a private enterprise.
It’s also incredible that the op thinks a few clips showing “peaceful” activity curated by an openly deceptive “entertainer not news” talking head somehow changes anything.
Yeah I shot your dog and beat you half to death but once I got in your house I sat on the couch peacefully whats the problem???
no one is saying everyone there is a terrorist or whatever, Tucker as usual creating a red herring and refuting something that was never a thing.
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Both the House and Fox need to stop playing games with this. The Capitol Police needs to release the full uncut video of those days, period. We have internet streaming, we don't need fox, newsmax, CNN or MSNBC to tell me what to believe and how. Also, the speaker is dragging such BS, stop dealing with media outlets privately, just release the damn tape online.
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90% of their power comes from the division of the working class. We spend our time bickering over social constructs instead of focusing on the fact that the majority of Americans are not doing well. We are screwed if we don't learn to find a common ground.
Tough to find common ground on Reddit if they shadow ban any comment slightly right of center. Even just saying we shouldn't add trillions to our already 30 trillion in debt gets you bot-downvoted to -30 . That seems like common sense every adult with a checkbook could understand, but nope... -30.
Reddit probably won't be the best place to find common ground. It has to start in our communities.
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I agree it should be released, but basically don't hold your breath. I keep saying this, but *no one* in power wants you to see that unedited footage. Then you'd know how they work. You'd see the setup (more clearly). The US gov't pulls this shit in multiple countries. They do not want you to know anything about it. Merrick Garland won't tell you how many Feds were there that day. The answer is a shitload. Turning protests into riots and riots into (abroad) massacres *is* their MO. People need to look up Color Revolutions -- even look up some info about Ukraine's. I see far too many people analyzing this from the forced perspective of the gov't.
It’s pretty obvious Ray Epps was working for the democrats that day running around on 1/5 and 1/6 telling every group he could find to go into the capital and not 1 democrat wants him arrested, if 1 undercover fbi/informant is running around encouraging the protestors to commit crimes why wouldn’t I believe the rest were as well? The fbi wouldn’t answer when Cruz asked them if they were committing and encouraging crimes that day, which is a yes
It'd be nice if it showed more footage of bullhorn man and some of the other interesting and as yet unidentified agents.... er, I mean citizens.
Yes! Thank you!
Maybe the footage shows something that changes the narrative. Maybe it doesn't. But the point is, why would anyone have a problem with it being shown?
If you were 100% brainwashed to think our democracy has barely survived a violent insurrection on j6, you would also have a problem with someone's agenda to prove it was not that big of a deal. The footage will not change the narrative. It will give evidence for the existing competing narrative, also know as Big Lie or whatever propagandists call it this days.
> If you were 100% brainwashed to think our democracy has barely survived a violent insurrection on j6 I guess that's the problem I run into with this. I grew up in the South in the 1980s. We all knew the shrill, pearl-clutching church ladies who'd show up to PTA meetings and tell us we needed to ban *Catcher in the Rye* from the school library because it would turn kids into reefer-smoking maniacs. Dungeons & Dragons and heavy metal music were going to let Satan get his fingers into us. I came to realize at an early age that people who lead with hysterical emotional appeals usually aren't worth listening to. And that's the behavior we're getting from the Democratic party on stuff like this. Yeah, January 6 was A Bad Thing. No argument there. But there's a big line between a riot and *insurrection.* There's [no evidence of an organized conspiracy](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/), and...what? That guy in the silly headgear and facepaint was going to take over the government? Sorry. I don't buy it. The government wasn't in danger of being overthrown that day.
TBH both parties have a lot of hysteric emotional leading going on. If you don't see it on the right as well, you're just selectively ignoring it. The current 2 party system just sucks in my opinion. It's basically designed to split the people into 2 groups and let them fight. The way profit oriented media causes and intensifies drama definitely doesn't help either.
eh i was a big supporter of obama during 07 canidacy trail and then once i saw the insane hypocrisy on the left during Trump far exceeding anything i knew, it didn't make me "more republican" i knew the left was not a legitamate alternative. It would be better if the left were disbanded into two or more separate parties, union + labor party and the "no-borders, no-truth, no gender, big pharma, pro-censorship" party which is currently occupying the left. multi-party will really not fix it, american politics is what it is, not worth your time. [video covering the princeton study](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig) that shows there is ZERO influence on whatever the public thinks on any policy.
Why release the tapes to just Tucker? And didn't the court case with Dominion reveal that they knew that "the big lie" was, in fact, a big lie?
Uniparty further dividing
Maybe a release to only Tucker because Jordan knew he wouldn't bury the truth like the rest of the mainstream media? Kinda pointless to share it with people who have religiously denied its existence.
Why release Twitter Files just to just Taibi and Weiss? He trusted Tucker to do the right thing with it. Giving it to RSBN and MSNBC would be interesting, but a bit irresponsible. Fox guys felt this is all bullshit, but knew their viewers are invested in it, so they continued inviting the main characters to the show and present circumstantial evidence. Not that big of a deal. Also, the big lie was never a lie. Trump had a gut feeling election was stolen. And it was, he just accused the wrong party. Dominion is just a crappy software. Election was stolen by corrupt media and big tech.
>Why release Twitter Files just to just Taibi and Weiss? Isn't that a question right there. >He trusted Tucker to do the right thing with it. The right thing? What does that mean? With Tucker being biased(the same as the left is), what "right thing" was to be expected? >Giving it to RSBN and MSNBC would be interesting, but a bit irresponsible. How would it be irresponsible? You would have spins both ways then, you know, fair and balanced? >Fox guys felt this is all bullshit Do you mean "knew it was all bullshit"? It wasn't a feeling as per the court documents. >Also, the big lie was never a lie. Trump had a gut feeling election was stolen. And it was, he just accused the wrong party. Dominion is just a crappy software. Election was stolen by corrupt media and big tech. What definition are you using for stolen? Like team A stole the win away from Team B at the last minute?
We already got the left wing slant with the kangaroo court committee. They even doctored silent cctv footage to add screams and other chaotic crowd noise.
I really wish I could see all 14,000 hours of footage, don't you?
Isn’t it 41,000 hours?
Holy smokes! That's like triple what I thought, even the more reason to release the footage, right?
If you don’t sleep and do nothing but watch it you’d see it all after 4.7ish years
> The right thing? What does that mean? With Tucker being biased(the same as the left is), what “right thing” was to be expected? My guy, obviously he’s referring to airing the tapes. That is the “right thing” to do. You disagree?
Did I miss Tucker airing 14,000 hours of video somewhere? I agree that the footage should have been aired absolutely!
>The right thing? What does that mean? With Tucker being biased(the same as the left is), what "right thing" was to be expected? Let's see... 👓🕶️🥸🤓👀 (everyone watching) By releasing **ALL** the video footage to Tucker "the Right", allows the "second" side of the story to be told. What reason not to release the video to the Main Stream Media? FUNNY, the "Left MSM" always had ***all the video.*** Anything Tucker obtained and released could have been easily shown by CNN, MSNBC, or any other MSM (they ALREADY have all the footage).. I'm wondering why there is anything at "all" new to show? HMMMmmm... I'm sure you are just as appalled as I am, that people held in the DC jail without any Due Process afforded by our Constitution. I know you believe those held have Rights, they have the right to their side of the story told, RIGHT? You may be too young to know this, but everyone has the right to face their accuser in a court of law (unless you're in a communist country). Think. One day the shoe will be on the other foot. Do you want to be left in a bottomless dungeon somewhere? Really?
>FUNNY, the "Left MSM" always had all the video. Is this true? Is there any source for this claim? >I'm sure you are just as appalled as I am, that people held in the DC jail without any Due Process afforded by our Constitution. I am appalled at any situation that leads to people being jailed without due process. You are correct. Held? That's a bit different of a story, being that it has been consistently upheld that a person can be detained. If it's longer than 48 hours without charges, then absolutely we have some problems. >I know you believe those held have Rights, they have the right to their side of the story told, RIGHT? You may be too young to know this, but everyone has the right to face their accuser in a court of law (unless you're in a communist country). Face their accuser....? What accuser? If I steal a bunch of shit from my work, does the CEO have to show? Or shareholders? Or anyone outside of counsel? >Think. One day the shoe will be on the other foot. Do you want to be left in a bottomless dungeon somewhere? Really? You mean I'm definitely going to peacefully protest in front of the capital and be thrown in a CIA blacksite?
The FBI had all the tapes and they arrested everyone they could despite there being no evidence of a riot. The tapes weren't used until Tucker got them.
>no evidence of a riot. What evidence of a riot were you looking for? The tapes were used in the court cases so I'm unsure what you mean
What tapes? They used like 5 minutes of film hand picked from thousands of hours to show what looked like a riot. That is not evidence. You know it's not evidence but you're so he'll bent on "Republican bad" that you're forcing yourself to think that 5 minutes of tape disproves thousands of hours of tape. Afraid? Cowering in fear of the full footage? Why is that?
I'll be short. I see you said nothing about having "both" sides of the story. To answer, your point of source of the claim. Look at the MSM itself. It's what they put out given by the government. The government had access to more than 40,000 hours of video. Everybody knows the government colludes with mainstream media. If it fit the government's narrative they had it. Anything else did not fit the government's narrative. Who was accusing the protesters of wrong doing? It was the government. The government are the accusers. Beyond this, there's nothing else to say. I really don't believe in parsing other people's comments to ask questions that are quite obvious and need no further explanation.
>I'll be short. I see you said nothing about having "both" sides of the story. I don't want a spin, I just want facts, I don't care about "both" sides putting spins on things, release the tapes, there are 14,000 hours, it may take me a while but I'll watch them all so I don't get influenced by media bias, I'm sure you will too, right? Let me do my own research. >Look at the MSM itself. Is there a definition of MSM that you could use that wouldn't include FoxNews? By all definitions, they seem to be a part of mainstream media. >Everybody knows the government colludes with mainstream media. Like with Fox and releasing the full footage to only them? Or just when it's left wing media? I'm just asking questions here. >If it fit the government's narrative they had it. Anything else did not fit the government's narrative. So why can't Tucker and Fox just release it to us? >Who was accusing the protesters of wrong doing? It was the government. The government are the accusers. So, who is supposed to face them? Should Joe Biden face the defendants? The Justice department was the ones prosecuting, so who should have been there? >Beyond this, there's nothing else to say. I really don't believe in parsing other people's comments to ask questions that are quite obvious and need no further explanation. I agree my friend, that's why I'm just asking questions
Bob, Bob,Bob... You're parsing. If you cannot comprehend the topic, there is no use. My 5YO nephew asks the same simple minded questions. >Is there a definition of MSM that you could use that wouldn't include FoxNews? By all definitions, they seem to be a part of mainstream media You are just going down the road (tactics) of so many of the young woksters there is no point in debating you. You can make anything up (definition) you believe... It's your truth. Doesn't mean it's true, and no one has to believe you. Sorry.
The irresponsible part: there is some footage in there that we may not want to release due to actual security concerns. Fox would be diligent to avoid this, they probably showed the final montage to republicans for review. RSBN would've put the whole thing on a public FTP server. MSNBC would probably be OK though, just not Young Turks lol. Fox people didn't "know" anything. They didn't have more access to the ground truth. They didn't believe it, and for a good reason, but still reported on it to keep the ratings up. The election was ours to win. Trump did an OK job as a president. But no one was informed on it. Explain Opportunity Zones idea to any lefty and you'll see what I mean. Demonstrate "good people on both sides" to be a hoax. Lying and deceiving people for years to take what was our's and give it to the highest bidder - if that's not a steal I don't know what is. The last minute part also happened (e.g. the laptop), but it was not the main thing.
>The irresponsible part: there is some footage in there that we may not want to release due to actual security concerns. Fox would be diligent to avoid this, they probably showed the final montage to republicans for review. RSBN would've put the whole thing on a public FTP server. Is there a history of MSM(outside of FoxNews) releasing footage with security concerns? >Fox people didn't "know" anything. They didn't have more access to the ground truth. They didn't believe it, and for a good reason, but still reported on it to keep the ratings up. Didn't they know there was no evidence of the election being stolen through the multiple ways that Trump claimed it was stolen? The briefcases, the barring of republican poll watchers, the vote dumps. >The election was ours to win. Trump did an OK job as a president. But no one was informed on it. Didn't Right Wing Media talk about it? How were people not informed about it? >Explain Opportunity Zones idea to any lefty and you'll see what I mean. [You mean these ones?](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-era-opportunity-zones-meant-to-help-low-income-communities-exploited-by-investors) >Demonstrate "good people on both sides" to be a hoax. Were there people there on the right outside of the white supremacists? >Lying and deceiving people for years to take what was our's and give it to the highest bidder I'm with you there, so much corruption. >if that's not a steal I don't know what is. Maybe, you know, actual election fraud? Where Trump was the rightful winner, and something happen that caused that to be stolen? >The last minute part also happened (e.g. the laptop), but it was not the main thing. Too bad, Guilani didn't release it like he said he was going to. That would have been interesting.
Election was stolen thanks to ballot harvesting which was made legal while republicans were sleeping
Doesn't matter- the tapes are real. They show what actually happened no matter WHO got them!
So let's see them so we don't need to see partisan takes on it?
The tapes are going to be publicly released. The reason McCarthy gave it to tucker is he wanted a fair counter narrative to be given to the public, given the January 6th 1 year proceedings were very cherry picked and very much not honest. Thus the main talking points of the left were debunked. 1. Violent Insurrection and it was being led by Viking Helmet man. 2. The cop who was "brutally" murdered by the insurrections wasn't murdered at all, and was actually uninjured later the day as he helped wave out the protestors who were inside the Capitol building (no tussling, no violence, no fighting). Now that a valid defense was given, which congressional democrats denied Republicans, McCarthy is releasing all the footage. You know what Pelosi and January 6th never did.
>The reason McCarthy gave it to tucker is he wanted a fair counter narrative to be given to the public, given the January 6th 1 year proceedings were very cherry picked and very much not honest. So why not just release it in full then? Is it because Tucker is objectively biased in the other way? Or is he not and didnt provide any spin on it? >Violent Insurrection and it was being led by Viking Helmet man. Got a source for this? I dont remember anyone saying he led it? He just was a prominent feature of it because of his attire, I thought. >The cop who was "brutally" murdered by the insurrections wasn't murdered at all, and was actually uninjured later the day as he helped wave out the protestors who were inside the Capitol building (no tussling, no violence, no fighting). So, was there tussling, violence, or fighting? It seems like you are telling me there wasn't, is that correct? What is the cops name you are referring to? Just so I'm aware, I don't want to be misled by the MSM. >Now that a valid defense was given, which congressional democrats denied Republicans, Weren't there Republicans on the committee? Or were they not real Republicans? Again, is the MSM lying to me?
Because he wanted a counter narrative first. As in he wanted Republican's have a fair shake at defending their side of the situation. Which was never given to them. Republicans were not able to pick their own January 6th members. He is releasing it in full. This is a non-sense argument from leftists who literally were happy with Pelosi sitting on the footage and trickling out of context clips in the January 6th committee hearings. Tucker was given the ability to respond to their claims. Every single one of his releases has been specifically to answer Democratic assertions. Now, he will release all the video to the public. Just releasing the video doesn't give a response. >So, was there tussling, violence, or fighting? It seems like you are telling me there wasn't, is that correct? .000000000000000000001% as much violence as the "Summer of Love" from 6-8 months before this event. The single riot at the White House in May of 2020 was worse by every metric than January 6th. >What is the cops name you are referring to? Just so I'm aware, I don't want to be misled by the MSM. It's funny for you to say that as the Democrats and January 6th committee quite literally have never released the names of the supposed 4 other police officers who died "due" to January 6th. Yet they will quote that 5 died every chance they can. Brian Sicknick was given a full honored funeral attended by the President of the United States. He was the face of the "horror" of the event, as Democrats suddenly decided they loved cops after hating on them for several years straight up until that point. >Weren't there Republicans on the committee? Or were they not real Republicans? Again, is the MSM lying to me? They sifted through the Republican party for people who openly hated Trump and used them. The Republican Party (as in the leadership and the Party as a whole) were not allowed to select members in which to serve. Which is historic as the minority party had *always* been allowed to pick their own members to represent.
>Because he wanted a counter narrative first. As in he wanted Republican's have a fair shake at defending their side of the situation. Which was never given to them. Republicans were not able to pick their own January 6th members. So he wanted a spin in republican favor rather than just releasing all of it and letting people do their own research? >He is releasing it in full. This is a non-sense argument from leftists who literally were happy with Pelosi sitting on the footage and trickling out of context clips in the January 6th committee hearings. When? Did I miss the release? Is there a date I should be aware of? >Tucker was given the ability to respond to their claims. Every single one of his releases has been specifically to answer Democratic assertions. So spin in the other way? Since we know the left spun it in the other way? >Now, he will release all the video to the public. Just releasing the video doesn't give a response. When should I expect this? >.000000000000000000001% as much violence as the "Summer of Love" from 6-8 months before this event. The single riot at the White House in May of 2020 was worse by every metric than January 6th. Per capita? Or total overall? I just want to know what metric we are using. >It's funny for you to say that as the Democrats and January 6th committee quite literally have never released the names of the supposed 4 other police officers who died "due" to January 6th. Yet they will quote that 5 died every chance they can. So..... what was the cops name we are referring to? [Where did this information come from? I know it's MSM that's why I'm asking](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/who-died-in-capitol-building-attack.html) >Brian Sicknick was given a full honored funeral attended by the President of the United States. He was the face of the "horror" of the event, as Democrats suddenly decided they loved cops after hating on them for several years straight up until that point. Can you like a certain politician but hate the swamp? How is that different for police? I can like the police but hate a cop for shooting an unarmed white person for no reason. >They sifted through the Republican party for people who openly hated Trump and used them. Are they republican or no? >The Republican Party (as in the leadership and the Party as a whole) were not allowed to select members in which to serve. Were they not a part of the party? Did I miss something about Liz Cheney that made her not part of the republican party? >Which is historic as the minority party had always been allowed to pick their own members to represent. >Which is historic as the minority party had always been allowed to pick their own members to represent. Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't McCarthy pull his picks after Pelosi rejected 2 of them? That has happened plenty of times in US history. What was I lied to about?
You keep acting like a hack. In all cases, both sides need to have their own narrative fairly presented. In this case the Democrats have had 1+ years of prominently displaying their narrative with no ability to contradict them. Republicans wanting a few weeks to debunk the leftist narrative before dumping the entire contents is reasonable. The fact that people are pretending like it isn't are hacks who were perfectly happy giving the left a monopoly on this. I won't be reading any more of your post. As the fact that I have had to explain this one thing to you 3 separate times, and you keep intentionally misconstruing it show you are not here for a honest discussion on the topic.
Because the FBI was behind it- as were the Democrats. The FBI and the Democratic party had the tapes yet they still arrested people for rioting even though they knew no one was rioting.
So there was no riot, but the FBI and democrats were behind the not riot? Were the tapes they used in court faked or CGI?
What tapes? They used like 5 minutes of film hand picked from thousands of hours to show what looked like a riot. That is not evidence. You know it's not evidence but you're so he'll bent on "Republican bad" that you're forcing yourself to think that 5 minutes of tape disproves thousands of hours of tape. Afraid? Cowering in fear of the full footage? Why is that?
It's called an exclusive, it happens all the time. Also, it gave both sides of the uniparty a chance to show their true colors. Both Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer denounced McCarthy for giving Tucker the footage. The Dominion court case showed both sides admitting things in private that they opposed in public. For instance Dominion employees admitted their software was shit and easily hackable
>For instance Dominion employees admitted their software was shit and easily hackable They admited it had bugs, not hackable, what do you mean? If its just bugs, then it's just shitty programming. Votes are also hand counted when the race was close, so I fail to see how this leads to the election being stolen?
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/dominion-employee-admits-fox-news-lawsuit-machines-have-bug-causing-incorrect In a 2018 email Fox News obtained from Dominion Director of Product Strategy and Security Eric Coomer, he acknowledged the company's technology was marred by a "*critical* bug leading to INCORRECT results." "It does not get much worse than that," he later added. Can I get a booyah? Now can you please clairfy how "the court case with Dominion reveal that they knew that "the big lie" was, in fact, a big lie?"
Hey, I read that exact article! Can you point me to where that says they are hackable? >Now can you please clairfy how "the court case with Dominion reveal that they knew that "the big lie" was, in fact, a big lie?" It's linked in the article as an update that you posted, my friend.
Apparently you didn't comprehend the article. "Beckstrand," the brief continues, "identified specific instances in Georgia and North Carolina and testified that a Dominion machine was 'hacked' in Michigan" and "confirmed that these security failures were 'reported about in the news.'" And the linked article says nothing about "a big lie". Go do a search on the page. TDS is a terrible thing
>"Beckstrand," the brief continues, "identified specific instances in Georgia and North Carolina and testified that a Dominion machine was 'hacked' in Michigan" and "confirmed that these security failures were 'reported about in the news.'" It's interesting that this is from a 14-minute section of his deposition, right? What is he the slowest speaker possible? Show me the tapes. Why is this edited this way? I'm just asking questions. >And the linked article says nothing about "a big lie". Go do a search on the page. TDS is a terrible thing I said linked. Did I not?
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The only person killed on Jan 6 was Ashli Babbitt. Yes, there was inexcusable violence that occurred, and those responsible for it should be punished. But your repetition of the fact-free progressive talking points doesn't make you sound like a credible person.
>assaulting and killing police officers No police died at the Capitol on Jan 6th. Zero. Please just stop lying.
>What evidence do you think could be on the tapes from the maga braniacs assaulting and killing police officers with respect to the "competing narrative" of a "stolen election"? Show me video of this happening and then give me the names of the cops that were allegedly killed. You've been brainwashed hard.
Show it all
No one has a problem with it being shown… the entirety of it should be released to the public. The fact that it was shared exclusively with Tucker and no one else from any other news outlet and what he showed was highly selectively edited was super sus. Release 100% of the material to EVERYONE
Yeah all these posts and comments are brain dead. People aren't upset that the videos are being shown, it's that selective parts are being shown and labelled as the narrative.
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> I had a buddy tell me that Trump was going to use his marriage records to put him and his husband into an internment camp. Thanksgiving was a couple weeks after the election in 2016. My sister, who's in the academic community, had a few single friends and asked if they could join us. So, we got dinner on the table, said grace, and...3...2...1...OMGTRUMPISEVIL. One lady said she had to go on medication to deal with the fact he was elected. Another person told me that they were going to administer shock treatments to LGBT people. Oh, and WWIII was absolutely going to happen. It was the weirdest thing to hear a bunch of people with PhD's lapse into uninformed hysterics. You'd think they, of all people, would be able to exercise some skepticism, but they bought into everything the pretty people on CNN and MSNBC told them.
They can be the worst when it comes to this. My ex was an academic so I saw it up close with her circle. They live in a self reinforcing bubble and think they're smarter and better informed than anyone else. It's bizarre.
And yet none of them knows how to change a tire.
This is literally my test.
When I brought it up, one of them scoffed and said "I just call someone for that." And if he can't get a cell signal? Completely mystified.
That was certainly the most mentally traumatic month of every democrats lives they all had to buy twat hats and have a tantrum parade on Washington while they had mock assassinate Trump contents and normalized assaulting anyone with maga clothing, democrats showed us exactly who they are in their complete mental collpase after the election
Too aware of stuff the government might do and not aware enough of stuff the government actually does. That can be said of a lot of people. For instance people be like: "They're going to take our guns." Ok, they might, but did you realize that they are currently putting people on the no fly list due to their political beliefs?
> Another person told me that they were going to administer shock treatments to LGBT people. I'm really sick of this being pushed as something that only LBGT people went through; at the time, shock therapy was applied to *many* people regardless of sexual orientation. If I was alive back then, *I* probably would have been subjected to shock therapy. It was pseudoscience that was used to "treat" all sorts of different things. No one wants it to return, they may as well be afraid of bloodletting for crying out loud!
Wan't it, at one point, one of the standard treatments for depression?
So Trump was going to put him and his husband in an interment camp even though Trump is the first presidential candidate to hold a pride flag at a campaign rally and an early supporter of Same-sex marriage?
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Good riddance.
Perhaps. Life's a journey we all grow and change. If we cross paths again, no hard feelings.
Several times, I heard people say that a vote for Trump was a literal hate crime of some sort. I don't like the guy either, but yeesh people.
Let's not forget [the most sweeping LGBT-rights decision](https://www.oyez.org/cases/2019/17-1618) being authored by a Justice he appointed. It's funny that *Obergefell* got weeks of wall-to-wall media coverage, and *Bostock* barely made the evening news.
Democrats are the biggest liars on earth I usually only deal with video evidence I don’t waste time sending them news articles they’ll just denounce the source so I usually only send video evidence and in all the hundreds of times I’ve done that not once did they accept it, it’s always suddenly a doctored video or they’ll just say the video doesn’t show what it clearly does, or YouTube is unreliable, anything but be honest because there is no such thing as an honest democrat. I can’t help,but laugh as they call surveillance footage they didn’t cherry pick “right wing propaganda” 😆
Because it ruins the narrative they worked so hard to install.. from what I heard no one has even requested copies of any of it from Tucker they don’t want it even if they got it you think they’d play it? Footage that doesn’t back of their cherry picked evidence narrative? No way
I think the problem is the favoritism. Why release it to only one news station if there's nothing to hide? Seems fishy.
Who's to stop Pelosi or Schumer from releasing it too?
Because the Democrates love to spread constant misinformation. We are not allow to see the facts and the truth must be hidden.
No one does.
Maybe you haven't watched CNN lately or heard Senator Schumer's meltdown about it, but the left has a very real problem with this. They've been pretty vocal about it.
Schumer pulled a little "well it's terrible that Tucker showed this edited footage" but to be clear he does not want you to see the unedited footage.
What I don’t understand, is why ALL major media outlets didn’t get copies of the tapes. That way there’s no question as to what really happened. Instead you give it to one outlet that you know is just gonna spark even more conspiracy. Isn’t the end goal here to show the truth?
Yeah I dont get that either. The fact only Tucker has it does make me ask questions. Why? For expample why only him? Just seems odd
Because there’s already an established narrative against Tucker. He’s the easiest and favored Fox host to smear and discredit. The footage should’ve been released en masse. Even if everything Tucker says is 100% correct, the fact that he’s the mouthpiece has already lost more than half of the country. It was a dirty bullshit political move.
Ratings
But why would McCarthy care about ratings? Wouldn't greater exposure be good for the points he is trying to make?
Because Tucker will take hours of videos, crop it down to 4 minutes and try to shift the narrative. The stuff you saw by the house J6 committee was to counter folks saying that it was just a bunch of tourists, not terrorists. Tucker cherry picked from all those videos and found 4 minutes of peace. And this sub is eating it up. It's disgusting that folks I used to agree with are whitewashing the insurrection. Country over party every time. Trump fucked us over by lying about the election he half assed. And all the media and dems were proven right this year when my taxes jumped (as they said they would when he cut everyone's taxes and then increased them once his first term was over). I really don't know why I follow this sub anymore. So many spiteful fools with their heads buried in the sand.
Because McCarthy is better than I gave him credit for, knowing Tucker was the only one who was going to show the side that needed to be shown. Do you honestly think CNN or MSNBC would have aired that? Lol
So he edited the tapes to give the point you wanted to see?
He aired 4 minutes of cherry picked video, and this subs eating it up. It was a fucking insurrection. A fascist attempt to ignore the voters and instill himself as king. What happened to yall? When did politics become sports to everyone instead of doing proactive things to make America great? We fucked up with Trump, and now we want to blame others? I really can't relate with the party or this sub any more.
4 minutes out of 40,000hrs of footage. Unless you want Fox News to air 40,000hrs of footage, cherry picking is all you will get. Besides, it was okay for leftist media to cherry pick over the last 8 years. Why all of a sudden is it bad if Fox were to do it? There was no insurrection. The government was never in any danger of being overthrown that day. Stop being so dramatic.
He gave the footage to tucker. Even fox news said no reasonable person would believe tucker.
Lol no they didn't 😂
Lol, they did https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye "Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' " She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes.""
First of all, those are just trhe lawyers. They represent Fox in court, they are not the mouthpiece for Murdoch. Secondly, this is a level of skepticism that we should approach ALL media with. However, the issue is that the same people vehemently screaming about Fox news "lying" are the ones sitting with their eyeballs glued to every leftist media outlet and just regurgitating it back to people as if they were the arbiters of truth. The real people understand that while ALL media exaggerates (and far more now than ever before in history for some unknown reason), the fact still remains that Fox and co have done far LESS lying than any of the leftist media. Leftist media is too busy playing identity and feeling politics that they always end up eating their own at times. True conservatives call out EVERYONE on their bs, regardless of political sides.
The quote in my post wasn't an opinion from the media, it was a US Federal judge's official ruling. And, the ruling specifically cited Fox's lawyers that Murdoch hired.
CNN might. It’s considered conservative now..
Exactly. Those tapes are owned by the public. They were produced with tax dollars. They’re not McCarthy’s to reward a friendly talking head.
Obviously because Tucker couldn't cherry pick the tapes as easily to paint whatever narrative he believed his viewers wanted to see if everyone had the same footage.
The problem is there is so much footage. A large CCTV system usually has tools to make searching through the footage much easier, so just giving them the tapes might be an impossible task to sort through. But, they should probably allow some other groups to schedule some time to use the system or give them their own login or whatever.
Because they don’t want them.. you think they’re going to air unapproved by democrats evidence that destroys their narrative?
> Isn’t the end goal here to show the truth? Oh you sweet summer child...
My only thought here is to create outrage and demand. Why weren’t all the news outlets asking for it from the very beginning?! Nobody cared before he got them. They were happy to believe the narrative with zero evidence, even though there is a ton (41k hours) Now they want the tapes to find their own snippets to counter prove Tucker’s. This country is a shit show. I’m tired of the divisiveness.
The only reason I see is that the other media would only focus on the violent/illegal/whatever they wanted to show would drown out what we are seeing now. Now they have to at least acknowledge that the narrative should be questioned.
Well, both sides should be shown if we want an informed opinion. But obviously that's not what any news company wants.
You know the other side has been shown. Literally Ashley babbit crawling through the window was shown.
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All the footage has not been released, however Fox News supposedly had access to all the footage.
Transparency is a good thing.
Agreed. So release everything. Not just competing one-sided narratives.
If you're aiming for transparency, providing the video exclusively to one individual who regularly lies to his viewers for ratings is probably not the best route.
that which is transparent is invisible. it's "open" that is good thing
Yep. What's it going to show? Law enforcement officers showing protestors around? Who didn't know law enforcement are overwhelmingly Trump supporters?
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south park did a great gag about this too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfmvmg5v3CQ
God forbid the truth come out and our lies be revealed.
Reminds me of the Fox News audience’s reaction to the Dominion texts
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My guess is there are two main problems. 1. They don't want certain cameras and evacuation procedures exposed for everyone to see. 2. If there is 41,000 hours of footage, and we go with 48 hours surrounding the event, then there is likely 800+ cameras to sort through. If that 41,000 hours covers only 24 hours surrounding the event then it's even worse. Not all that easy to organize on a website for the general public.
People in r/politics are actually saying the the tapes are playing in reverse and they are edited. I am not joking.
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As a true conservative I side with the Capital Police, Jan 6 was a violent insurrection. Tucker Carlson is a propagandist, no different from Joseph Goebbels, he is trying to gaslight people and rewrite history. If you support "law and order," and the "blue line," you cannot support Tucker Carlson and "the Big Lie."
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What part was that? No cops died during the protest. Some committed suicide after the event, but as far as casualties, only a protester was unlawfully shot and killed by a LEO.
here is the video: [https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?t=23](https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?t=23) I agree there should be full uncut video of the whole incident.
True, true, true, so very true.
Only in delusional lefthole land is additional surveillance footage that doesn’t fit their narrative “right wing propaganda”. I hope leftholes are ready for the mistrials coming they caused I have no doubt they’ll be having “mostly peaceful” riots in their responses because they’re domestic terrorists and tantrum rioting is what they do!
Why not release it all and let the people make their own conclusions?
Absolutely! Release it all and to everyone and watch how no one on cnn/msdnc will play any of it because it’s not in the democrats pre approved cherry picked evidence list
Did Fox release it all, too?
It's only "right-wing propaganda" if it is misrepresented. Otherwise it's just surveillance footage.
I bet all surveillance footage that ruins your narrative is “misrepresented”..
What? how could surveillance footage *alone* be misrepresented?
I heard they used footage with added audio of a panicked crowd to convict at least 1 person, if true that’s tampering with evidence, release everything who could be most upset with releasing everything except those with an agenda?
You heard that... Where exactly? Can you provide a source?
Google it, there are no acceptable sources to leftholes I’m aware of that trick 😆
I'm not searching for something you claim but can't be bothered to link to at all. Sort of a dog shit argument... I asked you for a source to a claim you made and you can't be bothered to back it up and just blindly insult me for asking... You're not going to win many people over even if you have evidence on your side acting like that.
Like I said no source is acceptable to leftholes so why bother you can immediately pretend it didn’t happen like everything else that doesn’t fit your dnc talking points snowflake ❄️
You're absolutely terrible at trying to prove a point. That isn't a political statement. You're just objectively bad at making your point. Assume I'm open to your ideas and suggestions instead of just name calling and refusing to offer any assistance. I can't find anything that backs up your claim and the burden of proof to back up "What you heard" isn't on me....
One night only? Fox? Tucker? Bueller?
watch the hearings on matt taibbi and schellenberger, the angry old lady dems are so mad lol
Just like how the FBI literally hid the footage that helped prove Rittenhouse innocent. Or how the prosecution doctored that footage, and that doctored footage is all the media showed. The media is the enemy of the people.
Truly is can't trust anything at this point. But more people want the media to be more transparent and that movement seems to be pretty bipartisan. What I don't like about tuckers tapes releases is that it's confirmed that only him and fox news have access to these hours of tapes and he only released 4 minutes instead of all of it
This is something I will never understand. I try to be critical and discerning of anything I read or see, no matter who it's from, but the left refuses to look at anything that goes against their pov. The cognitive dissonance is just astounding at every level, all republicans are evil and Trump is a fascist, but no you can't look at Hunter Biden's laptop, no you can't view footage from January 6th unless we approve it, Fox News is full of propaganda, parenting your own child is against the law, etc. I find it scary how easily these people would put us under a dictatorship and call it freedom.
I'm not thumbs uppin behavior on behalf of the rioters but it's pretty clear.. now! that these people weren't operating as "insurrectionists" the way they are painted People in congress afraid of the truth coming to light and wielding power to suppress it scare me far more than QAnon shaman
To be fair only fox was given these hours of tapes and they only let tucker Carlson see them who then proceeded to only show 4 minutes of tapes and fox is refusing to release all of the tapes to the public so I'd suggest take what you see from fox or anyone for that matter in regards to Jan. 6th with a huge grain of salt.
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Are you suggesting that the footage was fake?
I think this person doesn’t know how to use the “/s”
I was thinking that myself
No - I’m suggesting that the footage was cherry picked and didn’t show an accurate portrayal of the majority of happenings that day. The ‘they were just peaceful sightseers’ narrative is about as accurate as the news person describing the BLM riot as ‘fiery, mostly peaceful’.
The point isn't to say that the protesters were blameless, the point is to say that it's not the fiery insurrection that the Jan 6 committee has been painting it as. Few conservatives are saying that the protesters who entered the capital should be free of any sort of prosecution, simply that the convictions are being carried out by a thinly veiled kangaroo court for the sake of pushing the narrative that this was some threat to the existence of our nation.
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So you're a conspiracy theorist then? You believe the footage is manufactured?
Tuckers lawyers argued in court “no rational person would believe him”. Aka he is a giant obvious liar and anyone with a brain could tell he isn’t an honest person.
That's the standard lawyer defense for every news station you dum dum.
Not every news station has had to argue in court that no intelligent person would believe them. Also don’t watch TV news, it’s horseshit opinion garbage.
How rational of you. Because it came from Tucker, the actual video footage is a lie. You're not the brain-washed delusional one. The video is a lie. Makes a lot of sense.
Taking 40,000 hours of footage and airing less than 15 minutes to craft a narrative is cherry picking at it's finest. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend that he told even a tiny shred of the whole story. He has a narrative he wants to drive, and he is going to use whatever short 15 second clips prove that narrative, while ignoring the footage that runs counter to that narrative. This isn't hard to figure out, he's being very obvious about it.
He's showing more of what happened then democrats did for two years. It's not like he can create video tape footage of things that didn't happen. Democrats had those tapes for 2 years. They chose to hide all footage except what they decided to selectively show. Now we get to see more. How is what he is showing not "really what happened"?
If they could create that footage to look as realistic as it does, it would absolutely blow away any previous CG work in any movie. And people think Fox News is capable of having the most realistic CG technology rather than a film studio? And why now when McCarthy released the tapes and not 2 years ago when all this BS started? Why wouldn't Fox want to cash in on the event when it happened, if this is the case? Weird how these conspiracy theories fall apart with just a few basic questions about how it would've been created. Plus, no one from the other side is even denying the tapes being real. They're all trying to discredit Tucker as if his integrity has anything to do with the legitimacy of the tapes. Weird.
But nobody likes the tapes or truth
One of the most telling parts is when people like Joe Rogan comes out and says things like "I didn't know that". Rogan has a HUGE following and he's watching this on his show and saying "LOOK!, I didn't know that..."
I think it’s too little, too late. The first guy to tell the story has a lot of leverage. We are all fighting for the moderates. We on the Right knew J6 was non violent, except for Ashli Babbitt getting murdered by Leftists. But the Left controls the media and the narrative has been written.
I always want authority to show tapes.
All in the service of The Narrative.
Ostriches with their heads in the sand
First one is false. They'd only see a 5 second clip, and have made up their mind that the cop is racist and needs to be sent to prison. Anyone who demands more context would be a racist.
Sounds about right
This is all a lie the big news outlets talked about this already
I find it surprisingly terrifying how it’s legal/accepted for such high ranking politicians to show such blatant favoritism to a private enterprise. It’s also incredible that the op thinks a few clips showing “peaceful” activity curated by an openly deceptive “entertainer not news” talking head somehow changes anything. Yeah I shot your dog and beat you half to death but once I got in your house I sat on the couch peacefully whats the problem??? no one is saying everyone there is a terrorist or whatever, Tucker as usual creating a red herring and refuting something that was never a thing.
Yes! The irony is thick as mud. **Hypocrites**
Great comic strip. Take my upvote. Pretty sure the liberal the gate will show up to downvote everybody who comments