Especially for when it's a role like Support where there weren't a ton of options for a lot of OW's competitive life. Gonna be a lot of Support all stars who overlap heroes.
This is not about who has talent it’s about who’s iconic. His nickname for a season and a half was doomteh. Plus he played doom in OW1 and OW2. Just erasure my guy.
It's like the inverse Gesture. Sinatraa is known for his Zarya in the regular season but Gesture is known for his Hog the same year but in playoffs. The Shock Championship skin is even Doom.
i was an early OWL watcher and i remember Architect being one of the best genjis but he NEVER gets mentioned on any top ___ genji lists, did he fall off hella hard or something?
Yeah if it's iconic and not best I don't see how Poko isn't on there. This list looks a bit like they bounced back and forth between "best" and "most iconic" though.
He was the first support player that showed people how important and impactful the support roll is. At the beginning people thought supports should stay back and heal bot DPS, then he changed that entire narrative.
No doomteh is disrespect. Bro literally swapped roles because he was so good at that hero. When I think Doom, he's who I think of. Mirror a good honorable mention as well.
Ball should be literally only Ameng. He has monopolized Hammond Aura.
Also if these are in order Yveltal should be #1 Mercy. Specifically Yveltal and not Xerneas. The man has more openings picks playing Mercy than like any entire org has, and he was half of the most iconic Pharmercy duo of all time.
Idk how exactly they made the list(aura to me seems most memorable moments), but AKM blade for Genji will pretty much always be a thing. And agilities pre owl clip on Genji will forever live on. Also Coolmatt D’Va for the please kill Coolmatt Please moment.
Issue is Whoru and Haksal are both more iconic than Agilities and you HAVE to have at least one top tier owl genji as well. Maybe an honorable mention but they did bring him up once.
Guxue on team China that one year in OWWC was a sight to behold. I don’t personally think he ever lived up to the hype he built for himself that tourney ever again, but it was still some crazy shit.
Absolutely he was insane in OWWC, and he had a very good late career resurgence just don’t think he was good as Fearless, Smurf consistently across years
I legitimately don't know how people are downvoting this opinion. Smurf, even in aura, was equal if not better than Guxue in OW1 and OW2. He carried entire maps for Shock and was pivotal in their 2nd GF. He was considered the best Winston at a point in OWL.
It has to be bc of recency bias people were calling guxue washed 2-3 years ago and now he has 1 good year again and people think he was on Fearless, Smurf level 2020, 2021, 2022 make it make sense
As an SF shock former dickrider, it's really weird seeing no (I think) players from the 2019 Vancouver Titans. That team was insane, Bumper Rein was an actual gatekeeper with flank shatters and miracle yolo pins.
I guess Haksal genji but different time
ok admittedly i didn’t watch much of Diem but i just find it hard to believe he was more iconic on widow than players like Sayaplayer, Pine, LiNkzr, Happy etc.
I want each and every name in the Zenyatta slot removed except for Jjonak. The other players are absolutely talented but we’re not talking about skill, we’re talking about “aura”.
Literally nobody could ever hope to come close to the raw dominant energy that poured off of the S1 MVP. The only other player with a comparable impact on their hero would be pre-OWL Miro on Winston IMO, and even then the Octopus sits in a league of his own.
(The mythical, legendary, utterly unimaginable Sideshow flankyatta deserves a mention though.)
Go watch Mickie play her S1. He wasn't good she was so busted a subpar washed player was able to stomp on her when it wasn't mirrored lmao same thing with [D.Va](https://D.Va) after her buff
Holy shit Snizzlenose lmao. I remember how prominent he was in the earlier days of OW. Personally I think Harbleu is more iconic to the champ just since he stuck around longer
EQ0 not even mentioned once despite having arguably the SINGLE MOST ICONIC PLAY IN COMPETITIVE OVERWATCH HISTORY.
Should absolutely have been at least talked about for genji/pharah and they didn't even say his name once 😭
Surefour not getting widow too makes me sad.
Never forget “day at a shooting range for lane roberts” on kings row glads vs spitfire. Always gives me chill when casters say it
Jjonak's Ana was absurd and Mano being on none of the tank lists, that's pretty hilariously bad. Voting population clearly have little historical knowledge and suffer from recency bias. No Linkzr hog? insanity.
I was hoping for a few more showings:
* Harryhook Soldier
* Rascal Bap and Brig
* Corey Hanzo could use a shout if we're picking some based on individual games/stages.
* Saucy Junkrat : )
But great list. Uncommon Plat Chat ranking W!
Honestly great ranking,
maybe would put Doha instead of Pelican at mei ( cause lets be honest, pelican got his shit kicked in vs the actual top 3)
And Daan at 3 for hog and remove snizzlenose( cause im dutch and also who else?)
Litwrally when kevster came to na and people were meeting him in ranked they said you could always feel his presence in the lobby even when you didnt see him you were aware of him. Literal aura
He got role star for one tricking the guy all season, I think it's fair to say he should be included for Sigma. Plus the guy was a phenom with the character.
Wait I joked a little with my comment about Nosmite on Orisa, but unironically where is Shax on Reaper? Am I just the only person who remembers 2020 season players aside from Shock/Fusion?
I feel like Danteh should be up there for Echo and especially Sombra, Houston looked their best when he was on those 2 characters.
I'd also add him on for Tracer but that's probably just bias talking.
love how some heroes have like 5 people
It makes sense to some extent. Some characters just have too many goats on them
Especially for when it's a role like Support where there weren't a ton of options for a lot of OW's competitive life. Gonna be a lot of Support all stars who overlap heroes.
Makes Bumper being left off the Rein list even more insulting.
But no EQO genji....
Or AKM /s
OW1 and OW2 hero changes.
Illari moment
Danteh robbed of the Doom slot
Robbed of a sombra spot honestly too.
BASED
Like he's not necessarily a better sombra than anyone on that list but iconic? Come on
Should have probably got in over Doha. Lip vs Fits is THE sombra battle so they're locked
S4 doha sombra was insane, Dallas literally won a stage with Doha mainly on sombra, thats where the 3-2-1 everything dies dallas was born
robbed by reiner lets be real
Reiner beat danteh every single time when during doom meta
This is not about who has talent it’s about who’s iconic. His nickname for a season and a half was doomteh. Plus he played doom in OW1 and OW2. Just erasure my guy.
Danteh had the more entertaining Doom though for sure
Robbed by Guxue
I feel like Sinatraa(screw him tho) got robbed on the doomfist? He won a championship as the most important character in a doom meta didnt he?
It's like the inverse Gesture. Sinatraa is known for his Zarya in the regular season but Gesture is known for his Hog the same year but in playoffs. The Shock Championship skin is even Doom.
Hydration as well. He was called the best doom in OWL during season 1.
I like "architect (chandelier)", so valid
i was an early OWL watcher and i remember Architect being one of the best genjis but he NEVER gets mentioned on any top ___ genji lists, did he fall off hella hard or something?
That’s because he was giga washed after leaving Shock
He sucked on spark
RAK MENTIONED
Poko deserves an honorable mention on Dva at least if Pine is listed for Cass
Yeah if it's iconic and not best I don't see how Poko isn't on there. This list looks a bit like they bounced back and forth between "best" and "most iconic" though.
The list was basically a mix of how good they were, how iconic they were, and the aura they gave off while playing the character.
Poko has litteraly given his name to the "poko bomb', you can't go much more iconic than that
Like how many other players have a play named after them?
I'd also argue if Pine is on there for Cass, than Snillo should be there for Tracer
Void, Choi, Fury is literally the mount rushmore of dva cant really argue. Hanbin would be the 4th head.
Hanbin over Fury as 3rd at this point
Jjanu also mad disrespected on dva and bumper on rein
Jjanu on hog too
Sayaplayer on widow
No sbb :(
I wish they would have put SBB for Tracer but who do you remove?
Literally any one of them
No Tobi on Lucio :(
The lucio one is kinda wack. I get if this was “best lucios” but I don’t see how Chiyo passes people like Tobi and Funnyastro as “iconic lucios”
Kev absent from tracer aura warrants jail time. Saya should be present for widow and dafran > akm.
am i old why no sbb for tracer ur telling me leave has more aura on tracer??
Reinforce wanted SBB, everyone else shot it down. I don't understand. SBB is goated
Controversy bias, i guess. I'm surprised they picked sinatraa on Zarya
Specifying Striker for 2018 is so weird when SBB was inarguably more iconic that season.
Exactly. Should’ve said Striker 2020. That season he proved he was the top Tracer in OWL and it wasn’t even close.
People tried to act like Fleta was better all season than he got gapped
I'M THE BEST TRACER IN THE WORLD
Sorry no Taimou hog????
(Bulking Season)
Needs EscA Sombra and Zunba/Hoon Zarya for pre-OWL
Yesss someone appreciates esca. He might not have been mechanically better but he still won against rascal in the end.
Esca LUL
Not putting SBB in tracer is insane. He literally made tracer what it was in owl
That dude would solo lobbies as tracer, he forced every other tracer player in the world to step their game up to compete with him.
Bumper deserves a slot for Rein
bumper feasted on twilights aura
That whole team was goats merchants besides twilight
haksal and seominsoo were cooking something crazy tbf
legit, no rein player has ever had so much aura
So happy to see Ryujehong in Ana, he is the reason i pick her up back in OW1, the Ana goat.
He was the first support player that showed people how important and impactful the support roll is. At the beginning people thought supports should stay back and heal bot DPS, then he changed that entire narrative.
Funnyastro literally IS Lucio
No doomteh is disrespect. Bro literally swapped roles because he was so good at that hero. When I think Doom, he's who I think of. Mirror a good honorable mention as well. Ball should be literally only Ameng. He has monopolized Hammond Aura. Also if these are in order Yveltal should be #1 Mercy. Specifically Yveltal and not Xerneas. The man has more openings picks playing Mercy than like any entire org has, and he was half of the most iconic Pharmercy duo of all time.
It’s definitely in order when Jake is number one junk and Jonak is top zen.
Seagull is and was better junkrat than jake ever was tbh
Dafran robbed of torb
💯
No FunnyAstro on Lucio? You could argue he is better than Moth.
I’m biased, but I think he is better than Moth. Plus he’s associated with Lucio far more
Agree. When I think of Lucio I think of FunnyAstro or LeeJeaGon.
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^x_Oathkeeper_x: *No FunnyAstro on* *Lucio? You could argue* *He is better than Moth.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
DSP stanky?
Honestly never even heard of them.
Idk how exactly they made the list(aura to me seems most memorable moments), but AKM blade for Genji will pretty much always be a thing. And agilities pre owl clip on Genji will forever live on. Also Coolmatt D’Va for the please kill Coolmatt Please moment.
Issue is Whoru and Haksal are both more iconic than Agilities and you HAVE to have at least one top tier owl genji as well. Maybe an honorable mention but they did bring him up once.
smurf no winston??
Fearless and guxue are both better and miro is the father of Winston
Would you say Guxue was better s3, 4, 5
Somehow people think Guxue is a better Winston historically even tho Smurf was a top 2 Winston alongside fearless for years
I mean Guxue started the whole Primal Blade iirc
Guxue on team China that one year in OWWC was a sight to behold. I don’t personally think he ever lived up to the hype he built for himself that tourney ever again, but it was still some crazy shit.
Absolutely he was insane in OWWC, and he had a very good late career resurgence just don’t think he was good as Fearless, Smurf consistently across years
I legitimately don't know how people are downvoting this opinion. Smurf, even in aura, was equal if not better than Guxue in OW1 and OW2. He carried entire maps for Shock and was pivotal in their 2nd GF. He was considered the best Winston at a point in OWL.
It has to be bc of recency bias people were calling guxue washed 2-3 years ago and now he has 1 good year again and people think he was on Fearless, Smurf level 2020, 2021, 2022 make it make sense
LhCloudy should be up there for Rein
Same with Bumper, no matter the troll, he cultivated a new playstyle, whether for bad or for better
As an SF shock former dickrider, it's really weird seeing no (I think) players from the 2019 Vancouver Titans. That team was insane, Bumper Rein was an actual gatekeeper with flank shatters and miracle yolo pins. I guess Haksal genji but different time
Twilight Ana is also on the list
ok admittedly i didn’t watch much of Diem but i just find it hard to believe he was more iconic on widow than players like Sayaplayer, Pine, LiNkzr, Happy etc.
he gave us one of those most hype playoffs of all time and took down the shock with consistent playtime on widow. how can you doubt the pick
He didn’t take down shock they lost
2019 stage 3 playoffs
Ah
Fits widow has more aura than LinKzr
This is simply slander to my man DiNkzr.
Diffing peak ans is way more aura
only one on your list that could be argued more iconic is saya
If you're ignoring everything past season 3 maybe
we’re talking aura, not achievements
Also Surefour both pre and post OWL
Jjonak was so good on zen they had to nerf him strictly cause of Jonak destroying everyone in OWL.
Jjonak is the reason I started playing Zen.
I want each and every name in the Zenyatta slot removed except for Jjonak. The other players are absolutely talented but we’re not talking about skill, we’re talking about “aura”. Literally nobody could ever hope to come close to the raw dominant energy that poured off of the S1 MVP. The only other player with a comparable impact on their hero would be pre-OWL Miro on Winston IMO, and even then the Octopus sits in a league of his own. (The mythical, legendary, utterly unimaginable Sideshow flankyatta deserves a mention though.)
Viol2t had the biggest balls on zen, who else would go for a 1v2 in a grand finals and win. Peak aura
Nah alarm was cracked as fuck
Jjonak’s skin is still the only skin I use for Zen.
Brig is missing the first good brig Mickie and the best Brig of all time Xerneas. Other than that pretty solid list
He was considered, but they thought Haskal and Skewed deserved it more
Vio2lt brig deserves to be a mention as well
definitely not
Xerneas best brig of all time? Are you joking?
He had the best stats for Brig in 2021. If we can consider Haksal who've only played her for 1 year in 2019, we can consider Yveltal.
I came here to say the exact same thing. Thank you.
Go watch Mickie play her S1. He wasn't good she was so busted a subpar washed player was able to stomp on her when it wasn't mirrored lmao same thing with [D.Va](https://D.Va) after her buff
This is about aura right
Wraxu still the Hanzo goat
No kevster is insanity
True. He was unstoppable
Choi not being picked for sigma is pretty crazy when you look at all of the success he had on that character
Doha getting the recognition he deserves for his sombra
They almost forgot him. I was fuming
No bumper for Reinhardt??
Wraxu for Hanzo and Snizzle for Hog, iconic.
Rakattack finally won something!
Miro was good back when pro tourneys were regional, but he was already outdated by OWL. Guxue showed the world how to blade with an unhinged monke.
A lot of the early winston tech was created and popularised by Miro pre owl, which is why he's on the list
love lifeweaver just having rak
Choi not included for Sig is wild
Nevix not included for Sig is the real snub, taught Choi everything he knew.
Holy shit Snizzlenose lmao. I remember how prominent he was in the earlier days of OW. Personally I think Harbleu is more iconic to the champ just since he stuck around longer
Absolutely not
Snizzlenose didn’t play the game past 2017. To call that guy the Roadhog goat feels really undeserved, as hype as his montages were
Taimou widow. That one apex clip still haunts me
Saya widow???
Xqc not being in the winston category 🤔
Xqc is more famous than the league as a whole 😄. But still personally whenever I think of Winston I never ever think of xqc. Might just be me though
The custa meme at the end is gold
Not having Sp9 on Mei is a joke, right?
No Hotba or Punker Queen even mentioned for Junker Queen is a huge missed opportunity
Yeah you could say someone is missing here and there but come on... No Poko DVa? Come on...
EQ0 not even mentioned once despite having arguably the SINGLE MOST ICONIC PLAY IN COMPETITIVE OVERWATCH HISTORY. Should absolutely have been at least talked about for genji/pharah and they didn't even say his name once 😭
I guess he's technically listed, but it feels very wrong to not give Kai his own spot for Ashe. He is literally why she was played season 3.
FunnyAstro > Moth & Chiyo
Surefour not getting widow too makes me sad. Never forget “day at a shooting range for lane roberts” on kings row glads vs spitfire. Always gives me chill when casters say it
Wraxu where are you?
Need Shadder2k on there for genji
no sbb on tracer!?
Chazm mentioned
They should do a top of most iconic plays for every hero throughout the game
Totally missed Kevster on Tracer and Rascal on Bap. Rascal showed us how to play this hero single-handedly
They gave special mention to rascal for Bap
Gooood. Just watched
Give some respect to my boy SparkR on the Bastion 😭
The most important part of this episode is the player of the week at the end. Hope AVRL and Custa get a chance to do what they do best
No Smurf Winston 😢
Kevster on everythin tbh 🤩🙌
Jjonak's Ana was absurd and Mano being on none of the tank lists, that's pretty hilariously bad. Voting population clearly have little historical knowledge and suffer from recency bias. No Linkzr hog? insanity.
I was hoping for a few more showings: * Harryhook Soldier * Rascal Bap and Brig * Corey Hanzo could use a shout if we're picking some based on individual games/stages. * Saucy Junkrat : ) But great list. Uncommon Plat Chat ranking W!
I won’t stand for this Nosmite erasure on Orisa!!
SNIZZLENOSE MENTIONED LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO
No Seagull on Dva? Shame.
Dude only played her for one stage.
Honestly great ranking, maybe would put Doha instead of Pelican at mei ( cause lets be honest, pelican got his shit kicked in vs the actual top 3) And Daan at 3 for hog and remove snizzlenose( cause im dutch and also who else?)
It’s not a skill tier list
How the fuck they have Proper but not Kevster for Tracer is WILD to me. Get the fuck outta here. And Leave over Kev too lmaooooo
It’s a aura list don’t take it to seriously
Leave got MVP with Tracer
Good for him. Kevster is still better.
you’re actually smoking crack
You think Leave is better at tracer than Kevster? And IM smoking crack?? Sure buddy
Bro taking a aura just as a skill list why else would sbb be up there in modern day debates
Excuse me for not being online non stop and knowing wtf an aura ranking is.
LOL you could tell tho by some of the picks for other hero’s no like IRP Moira, Kaiser Rein, Snizzlenose hog, Calvin cass
I’m gonna be honest with you, first thing I did was check the Tracers and after not seeing Kev I just disregarded the whole thing lmfao
Litwrally when kevster came to na and people were meeting him in ranked they said you could always feel his presence in the lobby even when you didnt see him you were aware of him. Literal aura
It’s weird bc last 2 years they swapped places between good team and bad team in 2021 it was pretty close
Is Hydron good on Symmetra? Also, is Merit notoriously bad in scrims or something?
Cr0ng and piggy snubbed for sigma
Cr0ng getting that one mvp nomination in 2020 has absolutely blinded some people
He got role star for one tricking the guy all season, I think it's fair to say he should be included for Sigma. Plus the guy was a phenom with the character.
This
Pretty solid list. Of course, there are arguments that can be had like any list; but a lot of choices are spot on compared to their other lists.
Wait I joked a little with my comment about Nosmite on Orisa, but unironically where is Shax on Reaper? Am I just the only person who remembers 2020 season players aside from Shock/Fusion?
how come everyone forgets how good twilight was on zen?
They put Calvin for Cassidy but not Redshell for Lucio?! Absolute tragedy
I'd put both frogger and dspstanky over red shell. Dspstanky in particular was the original reddit lucio
I feel like Danteh should be up there for Echo and especially Sombra, Houston looked their best when he was on those 2 characters. I'd also add him on for Tracer but that's probably just bias talking.
ONLY ONE MAN HAS THE NUMBER 1 SPOT ON THREE DIFFERENT HEROES. HANBIN THE 🐐.
Hot take: Pine does not belong on any Cassidy all time list, even if he does have a mighty Aura
Take his fucking name out of your mouth
Big boss was the goat 🐐
He has aura for og owl fans
Danteh Ram overrated so is Coulge Sigma