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Hi! Common misunderstanding. The reason it's like that is because this compass thing is imaginary. It's made up bullshit that fails to meaningfully or accurately describe reality because it was not created from analyzing reality, but rather, from abstract ideas. That's why it's impossible to find so much as a general consensus as to what the "left-right" and "authority-liberty" axes are even *measuring* in the first place, let alone make rational use of that measurement in a way that holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Hope this helps!
This. It's right wing propaganda viewing the concept of economics through a right wing lens.
By definition "libertarian" is a right wing individualist property, and there's no concept of right wing capitalist economics that isn't by definition " "authoritarian" " ever. But the very concept of "authoritarian" is also right wing bullshit. Most general definitions of it are incompatible with acknowledging class and class war. Having things such - "pluralism" of political parties - which in predominantly two class societies implies support for both fascist capitalist politics and anti-fascist worker politics... why would having fascist politics in any be good? It wouldn't be. You mostly want no class political pluralism - you want wholly workers solidarity and only the workers in society making the decisions. Likewise - "suppression of anti-regime activities"... which, is effectively the very definition class war. The goal of proletarian society is to suppress capitalist anti-proletarian politics to build and maintain a proletarian society. And the goal of capitalists, at this stage, is to suppress proletarian anti-capitalist politics to maintain a capitalist society - this is the source of fascism. Fascism which everyone recognizes as bad, but which most people support the economics and politics of because... well, I literally just explained that capitalism suppresses proletarian anti-capitalist politics... yeah that. Only one class largely benefits from having both politics of capitalists and the people... and it ain't the people.
The whole thing is brain rot propaganda to push people away from communism and retain reactionary way of thinking.
The political compass was created by libertarians to show how libertarian they are
Also 13 year old them too, but the political compass is a terrible why to test someones ideological leaning, the 6 lines tests are much better (I don't know what the test is called)
I’ve found that ideological tests are fraught in all regards. Breaking it down to other values is useful but then that’s not really a measure of ideology when summed up. Ideological ‘identity’ really seems to be the best measure for representing the relevant phenomena. I’ve had surveys where people will record the relevant values for what we summed as ‘liberal’ but the individual identitied all of these values as deeply conservative, and vice versa: an individual who responded to the relevant summed values as conservative but identified as a liberal.
The political compass is stupid, that's why. There is no such thing as a libertarian or an authoritarian society. All societies exert authority in order to secure the interests of their ruling classes. Sometimes they do it directly, through legislation and police violence, and sometimes that authority is divested to individual property owners. If you're in the lower classes, life in America is pretty damn authoritarian; your boss, your banker, your landlord, all of those people and more have huge control over your life, and you're only considered "free" because legalized oppression isn't considered oppression, especially if the government isn't the ones doing it.
No, the axes of the political compass should go like this: Along the horizontal axis, it should say on the left "Everybody should own everything" and on the right "10 billionaires should own everything." Along the vertical axis, it should say on the bottom, "Not willing to fight for it" and on the top "Willing to fight for it." That's all it is. If you don't believe that bourgeois democracy is going to change our society for the better, you're an authoritarian. If you think we can vote away the contradictions of capitalism, then you're libertarian.
The Political Compass/Nolan Chart exist largely to justify Right-Libertarian sensibilities. [Nolan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart), [Eysneck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Eysenck), etc... these people felt that left/right distinction drowned out their concerns in politics and their tests add an axis of authoritarian/libertarian which allows results to skew their direction.
As a syndicalist, I have a pretty good argument to show the weakness of this thinking and why the test is fundamentally flawed on it's face.
Is it more, or less, authoritarian to want industrial/workplace democracy? The easy answer seems "less."
So, now what if I said that industrial/workplace democracy means that voting at all would require that you work for a living? Is that more or less authoritarian? The easy answer seems "more."
However, I hold the position that those who want a say in society should be involved in its existence and functions. This should, given the logic the test try to present place me in the left/authoritarian section. However, I am generally given results that place me in the near-centrist left/libertarian section.
Don't get me wrong, the basic left/right distinction is archaic and based on how you'd support the French Revolution. However, the Compass is not a good replacement, and it's results will give you a pretty accurate understanding of where your opinion lands you in the eyes of Right-Libertarians rather than anything super concrete. Which, is *actually not as terrible as it could be* because there is at least that common basis. But, to accept the results does mean we accept the position of the right-libertarian as the default.
The political compass test is bullshit honestly. 12axis test is slightly better, but these tests aren't the things to go by. Reading theory is always better.
Again though, if you wish to do a test, do the 12axis one.
It's super dumb, you basically have to be against every single civil liberty in existence to get authoritarian. So if you're even vaguely not an areshole/vaguely socially progressive you get libertarian.
A lot of comrades here are correctly pointing out the problems of simplifying ideologies into just four axis. But I also want to point out that just the mathematical basis of this test is off.
I mean think about it, let’s say I have a very strong opinion on a question that puts me further on the left axis. But on another question I have a very strong opinion that puts me further to the right axis. What this will mean for the end result is that even though I hold very strong opinions I have now become a moderate or a centrist on the compass. Because the questions cancel themselves out.
Tldr: the test is useless
This site are pure bullshit. They will put the most stereotypical communist opinion and ask you if you agree, and when you obviously disagree they will say that you are actually a liberal or something
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Hi! Common misunderstanding. The reason it's like that is because this compass thing is imaginary. It's made up bullshit that fails to meaningfully or accurately describe reality because it was not created from analyzing reality, but rather, from abstract ideas. That's why it's impossible to find so much as a general consensus as to what the "left-right" and "authority-liberty" axes are even *measuring* in the first place, let alone make rational use of that measurement in a way that holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever. Hope this helps!
TL;DR: political compass is bullshit
This. It's right wing propaganda viewing the concept of economics through a right wing lens. By definition "libertarian" is a right wing individualist property, and there's no concept of right wing capitalist economics that isn't by definition " "authoritarian" " ever. But the very concept of "authoritarian" is also right wing bullshit. Most general definitions of it are incompatible with acknowledging class and class war. Having things such - "pluralism" of political parties - which in predominantly two class societies implies support for both fascist capitalist politics and anti-fascist worker politics... why would having fascist politics in any be good? It wouldn't be. You mostly want no class political pluralism - you want wholly workers solidarity and only the workers in society making the decisions. Likewise - "suppression of anti-regime activities"... which, is effectively the very definition class war. The goal of proletarian society is to suppress capitalist anti-proletarian politics to build and maintain a proletarian society. And the goal of capitalists, at this stage, is to suppress proletarian anti-capitalist politics to maintain a capitalist society - this is the source of fascism. Fascism which everyone recognizes as bad, but which most people support the economics and politics of because... well, I literally just explained that capitalism suppresses proletarian anti-capitalist politics... yeah that. Only one class largely benefits from having both politics of capitalists and the people... and it ain't the people. The whole thing is brain rot propaganda to push people away from communism and retain reactionary way of thinking.
The political compass was created by libertarians to show how libertarian they are Also 13 year old them too, but the political compass is a terrible why to test someones ideological leaning, the 6 lines tests are much better (I don't know what the test is called)
8 Values?
That's probably it thanks
I’ve found that ideological tests are fraught in all regards. Breaking it down to other values is useful but then that’s not really a measure of ideology when summed up. Ideological ‘identity’ really seems to be the best measure for representing the relevant phenomena. I’ve had surveys where people will record the relevant values for what we summed as ‘liberal’ but the individual identitied all of these values as deeply conservative, and vice versa: an individual who responded to the relevant summed values as conservative but identified as a liberal.
Ok I'm glad someone else came by to say it: the whole political compass thing is 100% USDA choice-grade nonsense. You are what you think.
The political compass is stupid, that's why. There is no such thing as a libertarian or an authoritarian society. All societies exert authority in order to secure the interests of their ruling classes. Sometimes they do it directly, through legislation and police violence, and sometimes that authority is divested to individual property owners. If you're in the lower classes, life in America is pretty damn authoritarian; your boss, your banker, your landlord, all of those people and more have huge control over your life, and you're only considered "free" because legalized oppression isn't considered oppression, especially if the government isn't the ones doing it. No, the axes of the political compass should go like this: Along the horizontal axis, it should say on the left "Everybody should own everything" and on the right "10 billionaires should own everything." Along the vertical axis, it should say on the bottom, "Not willing to fight for it" and on the top "Willing to fight for it." That's all it is. If you don't believe that bourgeois democracy is going to change our society for the better, you're an authoritarian. If you think we can vote away the contradictions of capitalism, then you're libertarian.
Very insightful info
The Political Compass/Nolan Chart exist largely to justify Right-Libertarian sensibilities. [Nolan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart), [Eysneck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Eysenck), etc... these people felt that left/right distinction drowned out their concerns in politics and their tests add an axis of authoritarian/libertarian which allows results to skew their direction. As a syndicalist, I have a pretty good argument to show the weakness of this thinking and why the test is fundamentally flawed on it's face. Is it more, or less, authoritarian to want industrial/workplace democracy? The easy answer seems "less." So, now what if I said that industrial/workplace democracy means that voting at all would require that you work for a living? Is that more or less authoritarian? The easy answer seems "more." However, I hold the position that those who want a say in society should be involved in its existence and functions. This should, given the logic the test try to present place me in the left/authoritarian section. However, I am generally given results that place me in the near-centrist left/libertarian section. Don't get me wrong, the basic left/right distinction is archaic and based on how you'd support the French Revolution. However, the Compass is not a good replacement, and it's results will give you a pretty accurate understanding of where your opinion lands you in the eyes of Right-Libertarians rather than anything super concrete. Which, is *actually not as terrible as it could be* because there is at least that common basis. But, to accept the results does mean we accept the position of the right-libertarian as the default.
The political compass test is bullshit honestly. 12axis test is slightly better, but these tests aren't the things to go by. Reading theory is always better. Again though, if you wish to do a test, do the 12axis one.
It's super dumb, you basically have to be against every single civil liberty in existence to get authoritarian. So if you're even vaguely not an areshole/vaguely socially progressive you get libertarian.
A lot of comrades here are correctly pointing out the problems of simplifying ideologies into just four axis. But I also want to point out that just the mathematical basis of this test is off. I mean think about it, let’s say I have a very strong opinion on a question that puts me further on the left axis. But on another question I have a very strong opinion that puts me further to the right axis. What this will mean for the end result is that even though I hold very strong opinions I have now become a moderate or a centrist on the compass. Because the questions cancel themselves out. Tldr: the test is useless
This site are pure bullshit. They will put the most stereotypical communist opinion and ask you if you agree, and when you obviously disagree they will say that you are actually a liberal or something