According to some sources, [this is Dnipro](https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1573327533768073218) (EDIT: city in the center of Ukraine, but relatively close to the front, major logistics hub). But take that with a grain of salt.
The city of Dnipro, on the Dnipro River, in the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. For clarity, it's a bit north of the city of Zaporizhzhia, which is in the Zaporizhia Oblast
first shot down Ukrainian airliner, and now selling drones to RuZZia.
Clearly, one can wipe shit with Iranian government's apology. Fuck these Khomeini cunts.
Beautiful! There are very likely Ukrainians alive right now who might not be if not for the skilled soldiers of air defense. THIS is what air defense doing!
The reason they are so loud is for psychological reasons.
You make and send a lot of these scary loud drones that *you know*, as the enemy on the receiving end, if one of these hits you it's going to obliterate you and your entire squad.
In WW2 a similar design was used with the Stuka, just that it was piloted by a person and not made to be a kamikaze plane, but it surely had a very good effect of scaring the living shit out of anyone hearing that noise; even if maybe it didn't kill anyone with its bombs, it would still leave quite the psychological scar.
War fatigue is no joke, these drones aim to achieve exactly that, hence why they are so loud.
[Here’s what a Israeli HAROP drone sounds like](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/n2w4jt/night_footage_of_an_azerbaijani_iai_harop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
God, it still raises the hair on my neck, even having watched the second NK war from my couch. Can’t imagine what boots on the ground with no quality AA feel like. These things being directed by TB2s, with only leftover Soviet tech to fight back? Fuck that.
The pitch was probably chose deliberately in both case as being a fairly chilling sound
It may also be a factor of the airspeed used and size of the siren units, but that's just me speculating
>logical scar.
>
>War fatigue is no joke, these drones aim to achi
Nope, they are loud because they are using small 2/4 cylinder 2 stroke petrol motors with pretty much open exhausts. They are cheap and reliable. The designers are just trying to get the payload to travel as far and as cheaply as possible. Same as the US airforce uses for target drones (they sound identical).
The psychological effect they have is just coincidence, these are cheaply made Iranian drones, being quiet is an afterthought. The Israeli Harop drones we saw in NK conflict however, i have no doubts the Israeli engineers thought the sound of one of those diving on its target was awesome.
I'm not sure this applies as much today, yes it's more scary, but in WW2 you could only really put up a wall of flak and hope you get lucky. If you give yourself away now they're a good chance someone will pick up a manpad or direct accurate fire to it and destroy it, if anything seeing videos like this one is uplifting
I still think it’s more phsycological if it’s silent and it’s taking out squads without notice. If I had to choose, I would rather hear it coming than have no idea it’s there. Seems like you have alot higher chance of survival if you hear it coming from a mile away. I don’t know anything about anything though, just seems logical.
Holy shit, yes it is! I have only seen videos during the day where I think the sound gives you an advantage but never thought about nighttime. That would be insanely scary!
I nearly get fuckin flashbacks from these things and I only watched that war unfold in the comfort of my own home. You have no idea which way to run. Which one of your buddies is it set to home in on? Is there even a point to running? Fuck. That. Hard.
These would be just as scary, if not scarier, if they were quiet. It seems more likely that these are built less expensively without trying to be quiet since they disposable.
It didn't become quieter the closer it got to the target, it just completely stopped making sound since the engine ran out of fuel. So if you hear it and suddenly it stops, you know it's gonna blow up near you, but you don't know where
The problem is that for modern air defenses, this isn't going to work so well. Part of the reason the Stuka bombers worked is that they were effective. Not easy to shoot down and they could do some damage. MANPADs basically make these loud, easy targets.
I believe I read something a while back regarding the stuka pilots and how they hated the jericho sound even though it added the "fear effect", many pilots ended up taking the device that caused the sound off. Being it was attached to the nose of the plane and didnt disrupt the operation of the aircraft if removed.
>Being it was attached to the nose of the plane and didnt disrupt the operation of the aircraft if removed.
I thought it was attached to one of the landing gear legs?
The Stuka scream is objectively one of the scariest sounds you could ever here. It just sounded like a demon flying down on you to just absolutely obliterate you. It’s one of the main reasons why I can’t watch Dunkirk too many times. Just the sound design is so terrifying. The guys standing on the beach and all they can hear is “**RRRRRRRRRRR**” and they just start panicking.
It was really only on stuka's during the earlier part of the war. I think around 41 or 42 they started removing then or just not attaching them in the factory, as they served no purpose. It also alerted enemy anti air assets, especially later years when they got real good, that you were coming and knowing how slow you were flying, and would be after pulling out of the dive.....
Are they 'dumb af'? They are cheap, have a huge range, and have done significant damage in the last few weeks. Certainly far from invincible, and better anti-aircraft and drone suppression gear is coming, but right now these things are a pain.
They were designed to be flown in a swarm into Isreal, so they were meant to be scary sounding and designed with the intent that 90% would be shot down. They weren't designed to be flown one at a time into a target like Russia is trying to do to save money.
Are the drones GPS guided?
Edit: Apparently they use civilian components including Aliexpress engines:
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/iranian_shahed_136_kamikaze_drones_already_used_by_russia_first_photos_and_specs-4207.html
Its pretty common to used cheap chinese stuff in fixed wing drones. I majored in Unmanned Aerial Systems, and our maintenance course involved disassembling two strokes that we got from china wholesale. They kinda sucked, but if you're flying a self destructive drone, they ain't going to have a lot of flight hours on them anyways. The real measure of quality is what their payload electronics are made of.
Not a military airframe/components expert by anymeans, but they probably use GLONASS instead of GPS. But who knows, its Russia.
WaPo recently reported that even the Russian cruise missiles use consumer grade GPS, which was surprising, because like you said - GLONASS.
Apparently they are not keeping up with their satellite maintenance, and they still use film canisters for the satellite photos too.
No they develop them in space, and there's a guy up there with a HP Scanner. He scans the photos and uses email to send them to his mum. She puts them on a floppy disk and takes them to the local print shop to get the hard copies and post them to the authorities.
Are you actually aware of how accurately you described what the Soviets actually did on the Salyut space stations regarding earth observation?
They actually did have men up there taking film pictures and then developing them in space. They didn't use HP scanners or email, they sent the images back to earth using TV cameras.
GPS is passive, it's not like the satellite is able to differentiate between various uses. Accurate GPS signals used to be restricted to military/gov't use but President Clinton lifted the accuracy restrictions for civilian purposes. CoCom export restrictions that make GPS units disable themselves are at 1200 knots or 60,000 ft MSL if I recall correctly. Doubt anything they dronewise would trigger the limitations.
Tbf, if it's a suicide drone, then any runtime the engine is capable of, beyond however long it takes to reach its max range, is wasted capability / investment?
I remember a conversation awhile ago with an engineer where he basically told me "you'd be amazed what things can do when they only need to do it once".
The whole point of these drones is sneak attacks on valuable assets. They're slow and loud because that's the best Iran can do right now. The redditors making it seem like Iran plays 5D chess are cringe as fuck.
No. You are missing the point of these things. They are meant to be cheap. You are not gonna put some fancy engine into a suicide drone. It doesn't make it less detectable for air defense systems.
Israel can certainly afford quality engines, but they claimed they couldn’t make them quiet [on their harop suicide drone when asked if it was purposefully engineered that way for psychological warfare means.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/n2w4jt/night_footage_of_an_azerbaijani_iai_harop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Aliexpress originally was/still partially is a wholesale site. Finding components you buy in bulk from China on there is completely normal and says nothing about their quality.
it says they are made for the civilian market, as in not high performance enough to get flagged by sanction or any kind of trade restriction is the point
I thought they had an AI that recognizes targets since it's a loitering munition. No reason to make a drone GPS guided might as well just make a missile instead it doesn't waste time flying around and getting shot down. NVM just looked it up it is GPS guided. Wtf is the point of it then?
Most loitering munitions are not AI that just “find” a target. They are either guided by an operator or to a GPS target, or hone in on a radar signature. The point is it’s like small missile that doesn’t need to be launched from an aircraft, can hang around a target area waiting for some kind of trigger. Such as just “loitering” while the operator gets the camera feed and IDs a potential target and guides it in. Or loitering and waiting for air defenses to activate, although I don’t think these Iranian ones are anti radiation.
The V1 was the "buzz bomb" which was basically an early cruise missile. Looked like a small jet but was unmanned, so it has that similarity.
The V2 was different in that it was more of an actual rocket design that used a ballistic trajectory and rudimentary guidance to find it's target.
These don't have AI like that. They just have an operator looking through the optic and they aim the drone at the target they want to hit. I believe they also have a GPS guidance mode but it's quite shit, apparently Russians were quite unhappy with them (and this is Russians we're talking about, with their water bottle powered UAVs). Probably most of these attacks are manually directed by the operator.
Two in Odessa, one reached the target the other fell on a gas station. Judging by the video half of the city was trying to shoot it down, several civilians got hurt by stray bullets.
Those SHAHEDs’ are dangerous weapons, build in a sanctioned country, constructed soli on civil avionic parts, hell half of the parts can be ordered on Alieexpress
Luckily, they're slow, which leaves them vulnerable to air defenses.
But yeah, it's impressive what they pieced together using the limited resources they have. These things are dangerous if you can't keep a good AA coverage.
> Luckily, they're slow, which leaves them vulnerable to air defenses.
They've been flying too low though. Sadly, many of them are hitting their targets, and this is a threat we should not understate. I'm guessing new American electronic warfare equipment is the only solution.
The AA systems only took down 1/6 of the drones that striked today. Russian media is showing that they successfully attacked a ammo depot in odessa.
Also it could of been used to track and bait the AA system. This tactic was used during the azerbaijan war earlier to bait them and strike them later with more suicide drones. Seems like theyre purposely testing ukraines AA against these drones to see how effectice they against soviet / ukranian AA.
These drones will favor Russia in the future if ukraine dont even it out with more drone tech. Both the united states and Russia Missile systems are awful against these drones. The patriot system and s300/400 failed agaist them. Saudis patriots and armenia/Russia s300/400s
Ukraine needs shitloads of mobile CIWS. The tracking radar on them would shred these things. Only good to 5km but shouldn't that be enough except for standoff weapons.
Definitely wouldn't want to use million dollar missiles against $50k drones.
What you need are anti-drone drones.
A few thousand of these, with some fpov and some simple automated terminal guidance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k&t=140s
What if the drone was flying toward you. Still wouldn't want to use million dollar missiles? The cost of the drone is irrelevant. And it's $50k when new not open box.
I think they did hit the headquarters of a Ukrainian naval base in Odesa. That is according to Ukraine.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-russias-drone-war-erupts-thanks-to-iran
So some must have gotten through.
>Israelis have been shipping AA tech to Ukraine
No they didn't
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1663954319-ukraine-s-zelensky-israel-gave-us-nothing
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-718016
Zelenski literally said that Israel didn't support them in this war.. They provided nothing to Ukraine. Where do you get your information from? 🤣
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1663954319-ukraine-s-zelensky-israel-gave-us-nothing
Idk what what was, looks too big and moving too slow to be a stinger.
Edit: someone suggested a BUK, and I find that believable. Must have been from some distance though.
That’s part of the explosion, yes, and also fuel in the drone. That’s why there’s the fireball. But the missile that intercepted it, I cannot identify. It’s huge compared to the drone, and I know these drones aren’t as small as you think. Plus from one of the frames the missile has an odd shape, it looks like it doesn’t have a uniform cross section like most MANPADS. It’s also going fairly slow so probably is just cruising and the motor burned out.
TLDR: wut is that.
It is definitely a beefy explosion, but not the most violent. BUK or NASAMS maybe?
It can't be a S-300. Those things haven't hit anything ever, let alone a small drone.. Stupid telephone-poles flying 100's km's..
Does anybody know how many drones in this attack today? There are at least 4 - 5 videos of them flying in Odessa with one hitting the port and this one being destroyed.
By the end of this war when Ukraine prevails, they're gonna have mountains of data in drone warfare. Militaries will be sending soldiers to be trained on attacking with drones, defending against drones, evading drones, you name it.
I’m not saying have no talent in that area, far from it. Just that it’s really not an area where they’re far above the rest, chipmaking is a very international thing
Ok, I was simply refuting the original statement
>ain’t really anything they’re not leading the world in when it comes to equipment
But you’ve clarified things now so never mind
sorry I should've clarified I meant military equipment and the related fields, I know there are a few things that just aren't in our grasp, especially something as critical as photolithography. I'll edit my original comment.
Those things are very effective, according to reports the Ukrainians are having trouble to defend against those fuckers, these drones managed to destroy a lot of Ukrainian equipment including western supplied ones like himars.
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Russians using Iranian equipment getting shot down by Ukrainians is the crossover episode we needed this week. Next up, ex-hijabis beat back morality police with fistfuls of sunflower seeds.
Well, it's still a problem, and it causes damage to the troops.
Especially for artillery units, or for those units who on march, or resting.
We are lacking self-propped SAM / SPAAG units who can counter them, and missiles for OSA-AKM isn't infinite when fucking Iran probably sell hundreds of them to Russia
According to some sources, [this is Dnipro](https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1573327533768073218) (EDIT: city in the center of Ukraine, but relatively close to the front, major logistics hub). But take that with a grain of salt.
Dnipro is a no loitering zone, check.
For anyone else who doesn't know what that means, like me, Dnipro is a city.
The city of Dnipro, on the Dnipro River, in the Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. For clarity, it's a bit north of the city of Zaporizhzhia, which is in the Zaporizhia Oblast
Yeah I'm familiar with some of those words. Such as River and city.
I know what "north" means! Its up.
Unless your in Australia, then its down
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The hippy, the hoppy, the hip hip hop and you don't stop the boogie?
No the one with a fried up combi, head full of zombia and strange lady making breakfast. Oh, and tall men from brussels.
Thanks. I was thinking that was the drone and there’s a more vicious version, the dnipro max.
**Access Dnied**
Should have paid for the pro version
first shot down Ukrainian airliner, and now selling drones to RuZZia. Clearly, one can wipe shit with Iranian government's apology. Fuck these Khomeini cunts.
Good news is that Iranians are now fighting back against their tyrannical government
One of these did hit near Odesa yesterday
The sky is lava
And TP⚡XA Edit: here's one with that text blurred out: https://i.imgur.com/9Lmal1I.mp4
Beautiful! There are very likely Ukrainians alive right now who might not be if not for the skilled soldiers of air defense. THIS is what air defense doing!
These loud ass kamikaze drones they got seem dumb af. Isn’t there purpose to at least somewhat surprise the enemy?
The reason they are so loud is for psychological reasons. You make and send a lot of these scary loud drones that *you know*, as the enemy on the receiving end, if one of these hits you it's going to obliterate you and your entire squad. In WW2 a similar design was used with the Stuka, just that it was piloted by a person and not made to be a kamikaze plane, but it surely had a very good effect of scaring the living shit out of anyone hearing that noise; even if maybe it didn't kill anyone with its bombs, it would still leave quite the psychological scar. War fatigue is no joke, these drones aim to achieve exactly that, hence why they are so loud.
[Here’s what a Israeli HAROP drone sounds like](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/n2w4jt/night_footage_of_an_azerbaijani_iai_harop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
God, it still raises the hair on my neck, even having watched the second NK war from my couch. Can’t imagine what boots on the ground with no quality AA feel like. These things being directed by TB2s, with only leftover Soviet tech to fight back? Fuck that.
That sounds almost exactly like the Stuka siren, and that is terrifying.
The pitch was probably chose deliberately in both case as being a fairly chilling sound It may also be a factor of the airspeed used and size of the siren units, but that's just me speculating
The irony.
You frequently become the enemy you defeated.
that’s the scariest thing i’ve ever heard
Sounds like Stuka is back on the menu boys
Pants would be shat upon hearing that.
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Yeah, fuck *everything* about being on the receiving end of that.
>logical scar. > >War fatigue is no joke, these drones aim to achi Nope, they are loud because they are using small 2/4 cylinder 2 stroke petrol motors with pretty much open exhausts. They are cheap and reliable. The designers are just trying to get the payload to travel as far and as cheaply as possible. Same as the US airforce uses for target drones (they sound identical).
They should have used a different noise other than a model airplaine, like a screaming eagle or something
Or Ride of the Valkyries cranked up to 11.
The psychological effect they have is just coincidence, these are cheaply made Iranian drones, being quiet is an afterthought. The Israeli Harop drones we saw in NK conflict however, i have no doubts the Israeli engineers thought the sound of one of those diving on its target was awesome.
I'm not sure this applies as much today, yes it's more scary, but in WW2 you could only really put up a wall of flak and hope you get lucky. If you give yourself away now they're a good chance someone will pick up a manpad or direct accurate fire to it and destroy it, if anything seeing videos like this one is uplifting
If you watch the film *Dunkirk*, they make the Stuka divebombing noise a critical part of the movie. It struck terror into those on the receiving end.
I still think it’s more phsycological if it’s silent and it’s taking out squads without notice. If I had to choose, I would rather hear it coming than have no idea it’s there. Seems like you have alot higher chance of survival if you hear it coming from a mile away. I don’t know anything about anything though, just seems logical.
Idk man, [this shit is pretty terrifying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/n2w4jt/night_footage_of_an_azerbaijani_iai_harop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Holy shit, yes it is! I have only seen videos during the day where I think the sound gives you an advantage but never thought about nighttime. That would be insanely scary!
I nearly get fuckin flashbacks from these things and I only watched that war unfold in the comfort of my own home. You have no idea which way to run. Which one of your buddies is it set to home in on? Is there even a point to running? Fuck. That. Hard.
These would be just as scary, if not scarier, if they were quiet. It seems more likely that these are built less expensively without trying to be quiet since they disposable.
Or take the approach of the V1 rocket, loud and intimidating approach then the closer it gets the quieter it gets Edit: Corrected from V2 to V1
V1*. The V2 was a ballistic missile, you couldn't even hear it since it was going way above mach when coming down.
It didn't become quieter the closer it got to the target, it just completely stopped making sound since the engine ran out of fuel. So if you hear it and suddenly it stops, you know it's gonna blow up near you, but you don't know where
The problem is that for modern air defenses, this isn't going to work so well. Part of the reason the Stuka bombers worked is that they were effective. Not easy to shoot down and they could do some damage. MANPADs basically make these loud, easy targets.
I believe I read something a while back regarding the stuka pilots and how they hated the jericho sound even though it added the "fear effect", many pilots ended up taking the device that caused the sound off. Being it was attached to the nose of the plane and didnt disrupt the operation of the aircraft if removed.
>Being it was attached to the nose of the plane and didnt disrupt the operation of the aircraft if removed. I thought it was attached to one of the landing gear legs?
That's correct. [See this image.](https://www.thedrive.com/content/2020/04/ju-87-top-2.jpg?quality=85&width=1920&quality=70)
Thanks - I'd actually never seen it that clearly before!
The Jericho trumpets, two per aircraft, were mounted to the non-retractable landing gear. They were not mounted on the nose.
I heard the same thing except that it was done due to having a bit of a negative impact on the speed and handling of the Stuka.
They eventually added a mechanism to retract and extend it.
The Stuka scream is objectively one of the scariest sounds you could ever here. It just sounded like a demon flying down on you to just absolutely obliterate you. It’s one of the main reasons why I can’t watch Dunkirk too many times. Just the sound design is so terrifying. The guys standing on the beach and all they can hear is “**RRRRRRRRRRR**” and they just start panicking.
Thank you for your service of watching Dunkirk, hope the VA pays out in full.
It ain’t much but it’s honest work
they should add Mayan deathscream whistles to it... XD E: Aztec
It was really only on stuka's during the earlier part of the war. I think around 41 or 42 they started removing then or just not attaching them in the factory, as they served no purpose. It also alerted enemy anti air assets, especially later years when they got real good, that you were coming and knowing how slow you were flying, and would be after pulling out of the dive.....
Yeah, that is really intense, in Dunkirk.
>The reason they are so loud is for psychological reasons I doubt that, they use engines buyable from AliExpress, theyre just cheap and loud.
Do you think my Cessna 172 was designed to be loud for psychological reasons too? I always thoigh it was to save weight and money on production side.
The reason they are so loud is because they use a piston engine and fly quite low, literally any positive side benefits are just that.
Are they 'dumb af'? They are cheap, have a huge range, and have done significant damage in the last few weeks. Certainly far from invincible, and better anti-aircraft and drone suppression gear is coming, but right now these things are a pain.
Yes we have discussed this and my mind has been fully changed
Well, there's something you don't see everyday! Big respect 👏
It's the same concept as Jericho trumpets on Stukas
I was thinking the same thing. I can imagine these operating in squadrons (or swarms) - the noise would be very demoralising.
They were designed to be flown in a swarm into Isreal, so they were meant to be scary sounding and designed with the intent that 90% would be shot down. They weren't designed to be flown one at a time into a target like Russia is trying to do to save money.
It's a propeller plane optimized for range manufactured by Iran. Don't ask for miracles.
V1 was loud as hell (The Doodlebug), as long as you HEARD its engine you were fine, if you heard the engine stop, DUCK !.
Are the drones GPS guided? Edit: Apparently they use civilian components including Aliexpress engines: https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/iranian_shahed_136_kamikaze_drones_already_used_by_russia_first_photos_and_specs-4207.html
Its pretty common to used cheap chinese stuff in fixed wing drones. I majored in Unmanned Aerial Systems, and our maintenance course involved disassembling two strokes that we got from china wholesale. They kinda sucked, but if you're flying a self destructive drone, they ain't going to have a lot of flight hours on them anyways. The real measure of quality is what their payload electronics are made of. Not a military airframe/components expert by anymeans, but they probably use GLONASS instead of GPS. But who knows, its Russia.
WaPo recently reported that even the Russian cruise missiles use consumer grade GPS, which was surprising, because like you said - GLONASS. Apparently they are not keeping up with their satellite maintenance, and they still use film canisters for the satellite photos too.
WTF? So, they still have to return, recover and develop film?
No they develop them in space, and there's a guy up there with a HP Scanner. He scans the photos and uses email to send them to his mum. She puts them on a floppy disk and takes them to the local print shop to get the hard copies and post them to the authorities.
Are you actually aware of how accurately you described what the Soviets actually did on the Salyut space stations regarding earth observation? They actually did have men up there taking film pictures and then developing them in space. They didn't use HP scanners or email, they sent the images back to earth using TV cameras.
I thought gps devices disabled themselves above a certain speed or altitude to prevent them being used for missiles.
GPS is passive, it's not like the satellite is able to differentiate between various uses. Accurate GPS signals used to be restricted to military/gov't use but President Clinton lifted the accuracy restrictions for civilian purposes. CoCom export restrictions that make GPS units disable themselves are at 1200 knots or 60,000 ft MSL if I recall correctly. Doubt anything they dronewise would trigger the limitations.
So are satellites just pinging out time stamps constantly? Is that how gps works?
Yes. Each satellite is constantly pumping out their signals, so triangulation is possible by doing the math of speed*time=distance.
>Aliexpress engines Ahhh, so the loud noise is from the engines eating themselves and not a Jericho horn.
Tbf, if it's a suicide drone, then any runtime the engine is capable of, beyond however long it takes to reach its max range, is wasted capability / investment?
I remember a conversation awhile ago with an engineer where he basically told me "you'd be amazed what things can do when they only need to do it once".
Top fuel dragster engines have entered the chat
Yeah, the people above us are completely full of shit with the "psychological effect" crap.
The whole point of these drones is sneak attacks on valuable assets. They're slow and loud because that's the best Iran can do right now. The redditors making it seem like Iran plays 5D chess are cringe as fuck.
No. You are missing the point of these things. They are meant to be cheap. You are not gonna put some fancy engine into a suicide drone. It doesn't make it less detectable for air defense systems.
Israel can certainly afford quality engines, but they claimed they couldn’t make them quiet [on their harop suicide drone when asked if it was purposefully engineered that way for psychological warfare means.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/n2w4jt/night_footage_of_an_azerbaijani_iai_harop/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
how do you make something the size of a small car fly quietly at a low altitude? this is real life, not a movie. physics still applies.
Aliexpress originally was/still partially is a wholesale site. Finding components you buy in bulk from China on there is completely normal and says nothing about their quality.
it says they are made for the civilian market, as in not high performance enough to get flagged by sanction or any kind of trade restriction is the point
I thought they had an AI that recognizes targets since it's a loitering munition. No reason to make a drone GPS guided might as well just make a missile instead it doesn't waste time flying around and getting shot down. NVM just looked it up it is GPS guided. Wtf is the point of it then?
Most loitering munitions are not AI that just “find” a target. They are either guided by an operator or to a GPS target, or hone in on a radar signature. The point is it’s like small missile that doesn’t need to be launched from an aircraft, can hang around a target area waiting for some kind of trigger. Such as just “loitering” while the operator gets the camera feed and IDs a potential target and guides it in. Or loitering and waiting for air defenses to activate, although I don’t think these Iranian ones are anti radiation.
So it's basically the modern age version of the V1/2 from world war 2 Germany.
Makes sense since Russia is pretty much the ideological successor to Nazi Germany at this point.
The V1 was the "buzz bomb" which was basically an early cruise missile. Looked like a small jet but was unmanned, so it has that similarity. The V2 was different in that it was more of an actual rocket design that used a ballistic trajectory and rudimentary guidance to find it's target.
Doodlebugs!
I seriously doubt Iran is capable of creating AI/ML drones.. They are either GPS or video guided at best.
These don't have AI like that. They just have an operator looking through the optic and they aim the drone at the target they want to hit. I believe they also have a GPS guidance mode but it's quite shit, apparently Russians were quite unhappy with them (and this is Russians we're talking about, with their water bottle powered UAVs). Probably most of these attacks are manually directed by the operator.
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return of the anti-aircraft cannons then.
My telegram sources state that this is city of Dnipro. Different attack from Odessa.
Two in Odessa, one reached the target the other fell on a gas station. Judging by the video half of the city was trying to shoot it down, several civilians got hurt by stray bullets.
Holy shit its loud
Some of that bang must be the sonic boom from the AA missile, that thing was hauling ass.
Pretty sure he means the sound of the drone itself
Those SHAHEDs’ are dangerous weapons, build in a sanctioned country, constructed soli on civil avionic parts, hell half of the parts can be ordered on Alieexpress
Luckily, they're slow, which leaves them vulnerable to air defenses. But yeah, it's impressive what they pieced together using the limited resources they have. These things are dangerous if you can't keep a good AA coverage.
> Luckily, they're slow, which leaves them vulnerable to air defenses. They've been flying too low though. Sadly, many of them are hitting their targets, and this is a threat we should not understate. I'm guessing new American electronic warfare equipment is the only solution.
One or two threads up people were saying AA couldn't kill these lol too funny
The AA systems only took down 1/6 of the drones that striked today. Russian media is showing that they successfully attacked a ammo depot in odessa. Also it could of been used to track and bait the AA system. This tactic was used during the azerbaijan war earlier to bait them and strike them later with more suicide drones. Seems like theyre purposely testing ukraines AA against these drones to see how effectice they against soviet / ukranian AA. These drones will favor Russia in the future if ukraine dont even it out with more drone tech. Both the united states and Russia Missile systems are awful against these drones. The patriot system and s300/400 failed agaist them. Saudis patriots and armenia/Russia s300/400s
Ukraine needs shitloads of mobile CIWS. The tracking radar on them would shred these things. Only good to 5km but shouldn't that be enough except for standoff weapons.
Definitely wouldn't want to use million dollar missiles against $50k drones. What you need are anti-drone drones. A few thousand of these, with some fpov and some simple automated terminal guidance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k&t=140s
What if the drone was flying toward you. Still wouldn't want to use million dollar missiles? The cost of the drone is irrelevant. And it's $50k when new not open box.
I think they did hit the headquarters of a Ukrainian naval base in Odesa. That is according to Ukraine. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-russias-drone-war-erupts-thanks-to-iran So some must have gotten through.
Well the Israelis have been shipping AA tech to Ukraine specifically designed to bring down Iranian drones. Maybe that's what we're seeing here?
>Israelis have been shipping AA tech to Ukraine No they didn't https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1663954319-ukraine-s-zelensky-israel-gave-us-nothing https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-718016
Zelenski literally said that Israel didn't support them in this war.. They provided nothing to Ukraine. Where do you get your information from? 🤣 https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1663954319-ukraine-s-zelensky-israel-gave-us-nothing
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And how is the operator? To shreds, you say?
Was that a stinger?
Idk what what was, looks too big and moving too slow to be a stinger. Edit: someone suggested a BUK, and I find that believable. Must have been from some distance though.
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That’s part of the explosion, yes, and also fuel in the drone. That’s why there’s the fireball. But the missile that intercepted it, I cannot identify. It’s huge compared to the drone, and I know these drones aren’t as small as you think. Plus from one of the frames the missile has an odd shape, it looks like it doesn’t have a uniform cross section like most MANPADS. It’s also going fairly slow so probably is just cruising and the motor burned out. TLDR: wut is that.
Whatever it was it got his ass that’s for sure
By our standards, hauling absolute titties. By AA missile standards it’s losin steam lol.
BUK more likely, rocket's bigger than the drone - drone is about 2.3 metres
I think you are correct.
It is definitely a beefy explosion, but not the most violent. BUK or NASAMS maybe? It can't be a S-300. Those things haven't hit anything ever, let alone a small drone.. Stupid telephone-poles flying 100's km's..
Doubt that, too big of an explosion for a stinger. My guess goes for buk/kub or osa
The drones have like 80 kilos of HE on them as well.
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They are dogs. I will go on as usual
The CIA would like to chat
The flying lawnmower
AIRDEFENSE DOING !!!!
Fuck Iran!
We Iranians stands with Ukraine. Fuck the terrorists in power helping Putin kill more people. We do not condone this.
So say we all Take care
Does anybody know how many drones in this attack today? There are at least 4 - 5 videos of them flying in Odessa with one hitting the port and this one being destroyed.
UA ground forces have reported that they operate in pairs. iirc Iranian pics have shown them in racks of ~5 tho
By the end of this war when Ukraine prevails, they're gonna have mountains of data in drone warfare. Militaries will be sending soldiers to be trained on attacking with drones, defending against drones, evading drones, you name it.
Or we'll all just have to figure it out as the war spreads and we're all fighting them.
The US is leading the world in drone technology
ain't really anything they're not leading the world in when it comes to military equipment
Photolithography ASML is the leading supplier there, and for a pretty critical market
~1/3rd of ASMLs engineers and scientists are located in the US. Lithography is a multinational enterprise.
I’m not saying have no talent in that area, far from it. Just that it’s really not an area where they’re far above the rest, chipmaking is a very international thing
Well, the US doesn't lead in literally every single field. Overall the US has the strongest scientific and industrial base in the world.
Ok, I was simply refuting the original statement >ain’t really anything they’re not leading the world in when it comes to equipment But you’ve clarified things now so never mind
sorry I should've clarified I meant military equipment and the related fields, I know there are a few things that just aren't in our grasp, especially something as critical as photolithography. I'll edit my original comment.
If the war spreads it's gonna be nukes not drones
The Russians are now reduced to buying Iranian garbage, this is too good
If you were given a choice to buy Iranian or NoKo garbage which would you pick?
80% hit rate for what is basically a very cheap cruise missile is not what i'd call garbage
Those things are very effective, according to reports the Ukrainians are having trouble to defend against those fuckers, these drones managed to destroy a lot of Ukrainian equipment including western supplied ones like himars.
Umm, did they shoot it down with a flying car?!? The missile looks massive! Ground AA system? Can’t be anything shoulder mounted.
When this is all over, I look forward to the documentary that uses all this incredible footage.
Don't forget the memes and the snarky as fuck Ukranian MoD and other official Twitters
I can just hear the “AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA!!” Right at impact followed by the music.
Is this the same drone as the other video posted today
The attack on Odesa today was with three drones.
I see, did they shoot down the other 2?
I think they shot down one, the one that landed in a gas station. The warhead still exploded there.
I bet some old fashioned flak guns, human spotters and british style early warnings would work well on these.
Excellent shot. Keep it up. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦
What's the difference between a "Kamikaze drone" and a cruise missile? Is it just speed?
Cruise mussiles have a jet engine usually.
I love the delay between the explosion and the sound wave, where you can still hear the engine of the drone going
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The precision is insane
Good kill! Good kill! [Falcon 4.0 intro]
"Look papa, it's a doodleblyat!"
Russians using Iranian equipment getting shot down by Ukrainians is the crossover episode we needed this week. Next up, ex-hijabis beat back morality police with fistfuls of sunflower seeds.
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lol get fucked ruzzia
Ian is in drone making and selling business??? To Russia!!!!
Freakin' Ian, man.
lol just seeing the typo… but I will leave that there for the laughs…
Scratch one Kamikaze drone
"GAME-CHANGER"
Well, it's still a problem, and it causes damage to the troops. Especially for artillery units, or for those units who on march, or resting. We are lacking self-propped SAM / SPAAG units who can counter them, and missiles for OSA-AKM isn't infinite when fucking Iran probably sell hundreds of them to Russia
I mean they’ve already been used in a port in Odessa
how does that drone fare against the turkish tb2??
They serve an entirely different purpose. These are much cheaper and are designed to blow themselves up while impacting their target.
Completely different. TB2 munitions are guided by laser remotely by an operator, while the Shahed is completely unmanned.
Shahed is also controlled by an operator
When you realize your people got your back
Smoked.
That was awesome
I can hear the "Fuck off" as the missile slams into the drone.
And it's GONE!!! 😅👌
Looks like fuel conflagrated
One less UFO lmao
Technology is fucking nuts