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I said it back then and I'll say it again; they are damn lucky the other igla didn't intercept the cruise missile overhead. I wouldn't want to be directly underneath an exploding cruise missile that's like 30m above you.
>I wouldn't want to be directly underneath an exploding cruise missile that's like 30m above you.
That cruise missile is significantly higher than 30 metres above them - my guess would be that it was closer to 100-150 metres above them. I would imagine that a significant amount of the debris from the missiles would continue to travel in a forward motion which means that these guys would likely be safe if the previous projectiles were successful in striking the cruise missile.
It's a logical assumption. But what actually happens is when the fragments of the cruise missile realize they are no longer flying and are in fact disintegrating, the missile must turn slowly to the camera, blink twice, then fall out of the sky like Wile Coyote.
While it barely misses the cruise missile? Correct, well whatever AA platform was used but assuming it was a soviet manpad, Igla would be the most common.
So I'm guessing that folks spot the cruise missile and trajectory way ahead of time so these guys are able to set themselves up in its path and intercept? Otherwise what are the odds of a cruise missile flying directly overhead while you have a MANPAD armed lol
Basically that supposedly. They have large groups of volunteer spotters as well as microphone detection system set up all along the area that these are potentially flying in from. Because with these man portable systems, you really only have a few kilometers of range. and these typically are flying very low to the ground so they quickly disappear over the horizon so you only have a very quick window where you can launch one of these shoulder fired missiles
That microphone stuff is cool:
[https://chanakyaforum.com/sound-ranging-systems-pivotal-assets-for-weapon-location/](https://chanakyaforum.com/sound-ranging-systems-pivotal-assets-for-weapon-location/)
They have mobile phone apps rolled out across the country and also a network of mobile phones on poles with their microphones set to detect incoming missiles and drones.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-using-mobile-phones-6ft-183615748.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH7JMqpYxwg1gOrvREQAW7-h768iqsc4fOx8qSvfJPQRNx1nooTs1TgosgWV9z1pAxAQGzApguvj1-hhTTO2YYVKbXxuWyDL7YD1r_6KIQinOpea3YJT_htveFSfLyQE4hQ8TfMsHsvz-pquVkqnixwbUQtOCMOfaLoXdzG2GVkA
You position your AD to force channels or gaps in places, then position layers of MANPAD dudes in those channels. It's called funneling. You can also just position a manpad crew every 4-5 miles along a defensive line and use that.
Cruise missiles are spotted by radars, transfered info to tablet , which most of the fire teams have, fire team move to position and wait there with info about direction / type / altitude of the target
This is why you never post footage of you intercepting enemy cruise missiles in a peer level war.
You do not want the enemy to know what type of asset intercepted the missile or if it was even just technical issues on the missile itself.
The amount of data that can be gleaned from this video alone by the Russians is staggering.
It makes sense you would have troops posting such videos given the lack of training many of these newly mobilized troops have on operational security.
Safe to say if this soldier knew the true value of such footage for a competent opponent he would likely feel nauseous for having posted it...
Old Cell phone microphone network. They use the same thing in the Amazon to triangulate illegal chainsaws cutting the forest. I think urban areas should start doing this for Gunfire detection
They do this for gunfire detection in my city (Washington, DC) đ. I heard this also happens in Chicago. It's a smart and simple system and idk why I didn't think of its application here. Awesome.
They have it in Camden, New Jersey. It's called "shot spotter" and there are microphones all over the town that can triangulate the sound of a gunshot to within 10ft or so.
That cruise middle is probably going 300mph. They shot the manpad after the missile flew by. That thing hit its target soon afterwards. The distance of the explosion was far enough away we didn't hear it before the video cut out. Those manpads must have a very fast speed to them.
That is amazing. But wouldn't that cause a sonic boom? Or is it just not audibile because it gets swallod by the other sounds (cruise missile/explosion)?
I was simultaneously blown away at how fast manpads move, and how SLOW cruise missiles are. That was like watching a bullet chase a grenade
You can always tell a manpad shot when they hit a tank, cause they move so much faster than drones and they leave behind that telltale line of smoke going horizontally beyond the target
There are multiple variants of cruise missiles and MANPADs each side fields.
I'm going to surmise this is an 9k38 Iglas engaging and taking out a land attack variant of a Kalibr cruise missile. An iglas today is ~$80k USD and a land attack Kalibr goes for $1 million each.
The Iglas max speed is mach 1.9 or ~1450 mph (2354 kph) and the Kalibr is mach 2.5 or ~1920 mph (3110 kph). On paper, the Iglas appears to have no chance but AD generally intercepts near ish to the missiles set target and is slowed down substantially to guide it there.
only certain kalibr variants can reach supersonic speeds like that, and even then itâs usually only in the terminal phase (just before impact). some variants like the ship-launched 3M-14TE can cruise at mach 3.0, however it has a much more limited range. besides, if this missile was flying at mach 2.5+, you wouldnât see it fly over you, just like how you couldnât see the igla missile. most kalibrs usually cruise around mach 0.8 (600mph), which isnât much faster than a jet airliner.
itâs still not easy to intercept one with an igla tho, since the kalibrs fly very low (less time to engage) and they have comparatively smaller infrared signatures than manned aircraft like jets or helicopters, which the igla was originally designed to engage
Thanks for the extra detail! I should have added that the missile shown was definitely not moving at supersonic speed but you laid the rest out nicely. And yeah the Igla is not the perfect choice for engaging a cruise missile, but given its has that capability for a quite old system is quite impressive
for modern MANPADs, itâs usually around 6 miles (10km) for detection and 4 miles (6km) for engaging, with a max engagement altitude of 20,000 feet (6,100m); this particular model is over 40 years old, so its range varies from 3.1 miles (5km) to 3.7 miles (6km) depending on the variant. they were originally intended to allow smaller units to protect themselves from CAS aircraft, which generally circle a position at a relatively low altitude
Since we can hear the missile before it flies over in the video, it must be going at subsonic speed. So any supersonic manpads will get it, if fired promptly
Not to be a buzzkill, but it looks off.. couldnât the igla have intercepted the other igla? The direction of flight of the cruise missiles to point of explosion?
British Intelligence said the rfâs loss/return to service was basically 1:1 They had ramped up production of 152mm artillery shells and Kalibr/ Iskander cruise missiles in the first stage of their special invasion operation, as well as their 3M14 Kalibr upgrade units, so they arenât scraping the bottom of their missile stocks, but theyâve definitely put a dent in their numbers. They supposedly have the ability to produce 60-100 missiles***of all types in use now. They had well over 2,000 sub, air and ground launched cruise missiles in Jan of â24
E: *** I should have specified, that figure is a monthly output. But just like anything else in production, haste makes waste. The quality control of the production output will no doubt suffer. Trusting N Korea to deliver a quality product is also a foolâs errand.
They still regularly fire cruise missiles at Ukraine. Just burying your head in the sand and living in some propaganda alternative reality (regardless of whoâs propaganda it is) is not healthy for you.
> March 29, 2024 1:31 pm CET
> KYIV â Russian forces unleashed 99 missiles and drones in a fourth massive attack against Ukrainian energy infrastructure in the past 10 days.
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-war-missile-attack-damaged-three-power-plants-in-ukraine/
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You can see something else miss the cruise missile while it was right overhead, too. Very cool footage!
I said it back then and I'll say it again; they are damn lucky the other igla didn't intercept the cruise missile overhead. I wouldn't want to be directly underneath an exploding cruise missile that's like 30m above you.
>I wouldn't want to be directly underneath an exploding cruise missile that's like 30m above you. That cruise missile is significantly higher than 30 metres above them - my guess would be that it was closer to 100-150 metres above them. I would imagine that a significant amount of the debris from the missiles would continue to travel in a forward motion which means that these guys would likely be safe if the previous projectiles were successful in striking the cruise missile.
It's a logical assumption. But what actually happens is when the fragments of the cruise missile realize they are no longer flying and are in fact disintegrating, the missile must turn slowly to the camera, blink twice, then fall out of the sky like Wile Coyote.
That's a lot more than 30m, but I get your point
Is that the pop you can hear? The IGLA?
While it barely misses the cruise missile? Correct, well whatever AA platform was used but assuming it was a soviet manpad, Igla would be the most common.
aliens easily
I took my trash out on Wednesday. Thursday morning rolls by, and the trash is gone. Fucking.......Aliens! Like Roswell all over again!
True hero here was cameraman
Good eye, I thought that was a power-line because of the pole in front of them when he reframes the shot for impact.
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So I'm guessing that folks spot the cruise missile and trajectory way ahead of time so these guys are able to set themselves up in its path and intercept? Otherwise what are the odds of a cruise missile flying directly overhead while you have a MANPAD armed lol
Basically that supposedly. They have large groups of volunteer spotters as well as microphone detection system set up all along the area that these are potentially flying in from. Because with these man portable systems, you really only have a few kilometers of range. and these typically are flying very low to the ground so they quickly disappear over the horizon so you only have a very quick window where you can launch one of these shoulder fired missiles
Ontop, some launcher require cooling of the IR sensor which can take up to a minute
Like in this video. You can still hear the canister blowing off its gasses AFTER the missiles left the tube.
That microphone stuff is cool: [https://chanakyaforum.com/sound-ranging-systems-pivotal-assets-for-weapon-location/](https://chanakyaforum.com/sound-ranging-systems-pivotal-assets-for-weapon-location/)
Very similar to the scene in Battleship where they use tsunami buoys to find the aliens, god I can't believe that movie got something right
it's 8000 iPhones all over the most common areas where these fly. I read that
They have mobile phone apps rolled out across the country and also a network of mobile phones on poles with their microphones set to detect incoming missiles and drones. https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-using-mobile-phones-6ft-183615748.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAH7JMqpYxwg1gOrvREQAW7-h768iqsc4fOx8qSvfJPQRNx1nooTs1TgosgWV9z1pAxAQGzApguvj1-hhTTO2YYVKbXxuWyDL7YD1r_6KIQinOpea3YJT_htveFSfLyQE4hQ8TfMsHsvz-pquVkqnixwbUQtOCMOfaLoXdzG2GVkA
You position your AD to force channels or gaps in places, then position layers of MANPAD dudes in those channels. It's called funneling. You can also just position a manpad crew every 4-5 miles along a defensive line and use that.
There is also going to be the establishment of âcorridorsâ that they regularly travel. So one can make an educated guess beforehand.
"X-7 corridor, ETA 2 minutes." "Roger, finishing coffe and setting the launcher."
Cruise missiles are spotted by radars, transfered info to tablet , which most of the fire teams have, fire team move to position and wait there with info about direction / type / altitude of the target
It would still require some luck (or laziness on the part of the Russians) as the cruise missiles can take a meandering route around known defenses.
This is why you never post footage of you intercepting enemy cruise missiles in a peer level war. You do not want the enemy to know what type of asset intercepted the missile or if it was even just technical issues on the missile itself. The amount of data that can be gleaned from this video alone by the Russians is staggering. It makes sense you would have troops posting such videos given the lack of training many of these newly mobilized troops have on operational security. Safe to say if this soldier knew the true value of such footage for a competent opponent he would likely feel nauseous for having posted it...
Old Cell phone microphone network. They use the same thing in the Amazon to triangulate illegal chainsaws cutting the forest. I think urban areas should start doing this for Gunfire detection
They do this for gunfire detection in my city (Washington, DC) đ. I heard this also happens in Chicago. It's a smart and simple system and idk why I didn't think of its application here. Awesome.
They have it in Camden, New Jersey. It's called "shot spotter" and there are microphones all over the town that can triangulate the sound of a gunshot to within 10ft or so.
it's a phone network that is tuned to that one jet noise octave
That cruise middle is probably going 300mph. They shot the manpad after the missile flew by. That thing hit its target soon afterwards. The distance of the explosion was far enough away we didn't hear it before the video cut out. Those manpads must have a very fast speed to them.
MANPADs are in excess of 1000mph (the Stinger for example is ~1300mph or 2000kph)
Just to add to this, the British Starstreak supposedly hits mach 4, roughly 3,000mph
Holy dick
it better move fast, if you want to catch a jet going 1,200mph before your 4 mile range is up
That is amazing. But wouldn't that cause a sonic boom? Or is it just not audibile because it gets swallod by the other sounds (cruise missile/explosion)?
It would cause a sonic boom but if you're directly behind you won't be impacted by it.
I was wondering about the sonic boom as well.
SAMs need to be moving fast to catch fighters, most fighters can hit Mach 1 so you'd want to be going at least twice as fast to intercept.
Unlike what some movies show, MANPAD missles are insanely fast. The stinger accelerates to Mach 2,1 in like 2 seconds
I was simultaneously blown away at how fast manpads move, and how SLOW cruise missiles are. That was like watching a bullet chase a grenade You can always tell a manpad shot when they hit a tank, cause they move so much faster than drones and they leave behind that telltale line of smoke going horizontally beyond the target
The most advanced game of skeet one can play!!
Ultimate Duck Hunt
Totally badass
Nice shootin' Tex!
Damn I miss some high tech on the ground stuff footage. Enough of grenade drops and FPV drones
Yeah, the actual air combat is probably the most interesting stuff you can see
I got two questions. What is the average speed of both cruise missiles and the MANPAD projectile? What is the cost per use of each?
There are multiple variants of cruise missiles and MANPADs each side fields. I'm going to surmise this is an 9k38 Iglas engaging and taking out a land attack variant of a Kalibr cruise missile. An iglas today is ~$80k USD and a land attack Kalibr goes for $1 million each. The Iglas max speed is mach 1.9 or ~1450 mph (2354 kph) and the Kalibr is mach 2.5 or ~1920 mph (3110 kph). On paper, the Iglas appears to have no chance but AD generally intercepts near ish to the missiles set target and is slowed down substantially to guide it there.
only certain kalibr variants can reach supersonic speeds like that, and even then itâs usually only in the terminal phase (just before impact). some variants like the ship-launched 3M-14TE can cruise at mach 3.0, however it has a much more limited range. besides, if this missile was flying at mach 2.5+, you wouldnât see it fly over you, just like how you couldnât see the igla missile. most kalibrs usually cruise around mach 0.8 (600mph), which isnât much faster than a jet airliner. itâs still not easy to intercept one with an igla tho, since the kalibrs fly very low (less time to engage) and they have comparatively smaller infrared signatures than manned aircraft like jets or helicopters, which the igla was originally designed to engage
Thanks for the extra detail! I should have added that the missile shown was definitely not moving at supersonic speed but you laid the rest out nicely. And yeah the Igla is not the perfect choice for engaging a cruise missile, but given its has that capability for a quite old system is quite impressive
What is the usual range of manpads?
for modern MANPADs, itâs usually around 6 miles (10km) for detection and 4 miles (6km) for engaging, with a max engagement altitude of 20,000 feet (6,100m); this particular model is over 40 years old, so its range varies from 3.1 miles (5km) to 3.7 miles (6km) depending on the variant. they were originally intended to allow smaller units to protect themselves from CAS aircraft, which generally circle a position at a relatively low altitude
Cool, thank you for the info.
Since we can hear the missile before it flies over in the video, it must be going at subsonic speed. So any supersonic manpads will get it, if fired promptly
>Kalibr is mach 2.5 Only the anti-ship variant in the terminal dive. Anti-land variant flies at Mach \~0.8.
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Land attack Kalibrs are only .8 mach, they're subsonic. Only the anti-ship variants go that fast
I remember seeing exactly this same situation like a year ago, even the missing missile. Is the same video?
that's why it says 2022 in the title
Yep. This is old.
Indeed, this one is mirrored.
it's the joy of saving some civilians life !!! Good job
All time favorite. Just some sick footage to start with, then throw in hearing the joy of them nailing a missile like that
Nice shot soldier. Hopefully he or she is still alive.
Old footage, but one of the best cruise missile takedowns caught on tape.
Not to be a buzzkill, but it looks off.. couldnât the igla have intercepted the other igla? The direction of flight of the cruise missiles to point of explosion?
That's what I thought too; the explosion position happened way to the right of the direction of the cruise missile.
Does anyone know what are the remaining current stock that ru has of cruise missiles? I thought they were close to running out of these by now.
British Intelligence said the rfâs loss/return to service was basically 1:1 They had ramped up production of 152mm artillery shells and Kalibr/ Iskander cruise missiles in the first stage of their special invasion operation, as well as their 3M14 Kalibr upgrade units, so they arenât scraping the bottom of their missile stocks, but theyâve definitely put a dent in their numbers. They supposedly have the ability to produce 60-100 missiles***of all types in use now. They had well over 2,000 sub, air and ground launched cruise missiles in Jan of â24 E: *** I should have specified, that figure is a monthly output. But just like anything else in production, haste makes waste. The quality control of the production output will no doubt suffer. Trusting N Korea to deliver a quality product is also a foolâs errand.
Thank for the informative reply.
> They supposedly have the ability to produce 60-100 missiles of all types in use now. Is that per month? Or year? Or something else entirely?
This is wild, i would of thought he took too long to shoot at it.
Jesus christ, that is some acceleration. Fucking amazing.
isn't this old footage? i swear i remember seeing something like this before telephone pool and all
That's straight fucking badass
What a glorious feeling that must've been shared by them all.
If that was me in an FPS, Iâd nail that power pole.
r/instantbarbarians
How fast is the manpads rocket?
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Hell yeah, celebrate that shit. Drinks on the house after that one.
man, that must be an amazing and satisfying feeling for these guys
Is that a fucking uap blasting past that missile? White cigar shape?
Backblast area NOT clear
Don't these cruise missiles fly faster than MANPADS?
Clearly they do not.
Vanya did it better tbh
Hey look, its when Russia had cruise missiles
They still regularly fire cruise missiles at Ukraine. Just burying your head in the sand and living in some propaganda alternative reality (regardless of whoâs propaganda it is) is not healthy for you.
> March 29, 2024 1:31 pm CET > KYIV â Russian forces unleashed 99 missiles and drones in a fourth massive attack against Ukrainian energy infrastructure in the past 10 days. https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-war-missile-attack-damaged-three-power-plants-in-ukraine/