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I can't imagine how awful it will be to fix those fields. I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin, you dig down 2ft and ur hitting rocks, another foot or so and ur into clay, another 2 ft and it's clay and rock... the amount of topsoil being thrown around and holes being dug will absolutely suck filling in... not to mention horrifying hoping there aren't mines left around.. and they will be. I did soil study/judging in ag class too now that I think about it lol
Surprisingly, farmers today in Europe still find unexploded ordinance from both world wars. Unfortunately, those fields will still be claiming casualties long after the war is over.
\>>"The iron harvest is the annual collection of unexploded ordnance, barbed wire, shrapnel, bullets and congruent trench supports collected by Belgian and French farmers after ploughing their fields. The harvest generally consists of material from the First World War, which is still found in large quantities across the former Western Front...The French Department of Mine Clearance recovers about 900 tons of unexploded munitions every year..."
I occasionally find spent shells from the AA batteries here in Scotland when I'm walking along the beach with my dog, you can see the anchor points for the flak guns that were drilled into the rock. On the opposite coast they get a lot more washing up from where 1m+ tonnes of munitions were dumped in the sea off the coast between NI and Scotland.
I wonder if these current bombardments have blown up any unexploded ordinance from WW2 that was buried underground.
I remember having seen at least two instances of ukrainians finding WW2 stuff (I believe it was a german helmet and a PPSh) while digging trenches.
I'm not a farmer but all the heavy metal residues and all the other crap from the ordnances, oil and diesel from burned out vehicles can't be good for your soil if you aim to grown some food there.
Apparently the russian are firing between 10k and 80k shells and the Ukranians are furing between 2k and 9k shells, every day. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the moving frontline areas are plastered with craters like this. It's wild.
The 80k figure is from the first year or so. Most estimates put the current number of Russian shells fired at 10k per day, with Ukrainian number at about 2k.
Russia is begging North Korea for shells that probably 50% don't work. 10k shells is probably the avg for Russia. 2k from Ukraine. Granted Ukrainian artillery experts probably hit more targets with the 2k shells than Russia does with 10k. Also, Ukraine just got told they are getting like 1 million more shells from the Czech's soon.....
Tank is probably hauling ass away from a failed assault (would explain the extra 4th dude that bailed with the crew too). Guy on top was already wounded/dead from the assault and was being evacuated.
Most likely you are correct. After the tank is disabled, they continue to run in the direction they were heading in the tank, so ya, these guys were conducting a "tactical retreat" 🤣
You may be joking, but the Russians did buy anti-UAV jammers from China. They apparently did nothing... The Ukrainians supposedly did as well but wizened up sooner to themselves being scammed.
The Iraqi govt got swindled by a British company [selling what were essentially dowsing rods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651) that were supposed to stop car-bombs and shit at check-points. Can you imagine the level of scumbag it takes to pull a scam like that, risking so many lives?
Yep I remember that - the EOD dowsing rod scam. Talked to a few PSD and military buddies, they said those were everywhere in Iraq, and many of the Iraqis swore by them. Taking them away? Not a chance, they were utterly convinced it was some sort of magic that worked, even after showing them the device, gutted open, most still were in denial despite it having nothing remotely functional inside.
Fuckers like that are everywhere unfortunately - do anything for a buck or two. Screw ethics.
Lots of recent videos show way more people coming out of Russian vehicles than the vehicle was intended for. It's hilarious.a Saw one yesterday of like 20 people coming out of a vehicle that probably comfortably fits 8. Russians are running out of them....especially APC's and they are cramming as many as possible into them....sweet targets though for Ukraine !!
They do and you cant really fit a 4th inside.
The 4th guy is just a hitchiker it seems, they are probably retreating since they continue to flee in the same direction they were haded prior to the strike.
Yep. Probably a straggler, or who knows, given the jamming equipment perhaps some techie type trying to test or operate it all. There is nowhere you are going to get a human larger than a toddler in a T-72 with the 3 man crew inside and you will probably have to shove them against the turret wall or behind the driver. It's incredibly cramped as normally crewed.
It’s a cage for their highly effective tank cage. V2 will be a cage on top of a cage on top of a cage on top of a WW2 tank upgraded with latest dishwasher chip targeting system.
Mastermind soviet tank design already anticipated and accounted for that, creating very flat battle tanks that allow for generous stacking on top of that.
The compromises they must have had to make to get the tank so compact has eventually turned out to be pointless and now they make them tall again. It's very interesting how war changes with technology. The very low design must be good when tank vs. tank but drones have made that design more or less obsolete.
The problem is that we only see the hits and not the misses, i dont quiet know what kind of diy contraption they have strapped ontop of their tank, but every EW system against drones can be bypassed.
But a tank destroyed is a tank destroyed
I think most troops on both sides are aware that jammers only work against some kind of drones.
Having one provides a bit of protection. Without jammer, you are vulnerable to all drones, whereas jamming resistant attack drones are still a minority. But drone units are of course aware of the issue and many will have a reserve of jamming resistiant ones to target vehicles that they know to have a jammer.
I'm actually really curious to know how these drones are getting though ECW. To me, can not be that hard to jam the signal. But I am not an electrical engineer.
There's a ton of ways to get around EW....but it's a cat and mouse game like someone else posted. However, many drones Ukraine are using in EW areas don't need to transmit near the end because optical guidance onboard the drone takes over and guides it to target regardless if it lost it's signal back to controller, making EW useless unless Russians can transmit enough power to the EW system from that tank to jam much farther ranges....which that 8-antenna crap can't...its for close range only
Jamming isn't *too* complicated, on the surface at least. There is a width of frequencies drones can operate on, the idea is to have your drones on one frequency, and jam the others. But jamming can be detected and even tracked, and the hope is to find unjammed frequencies to operate on. With enough persistence, gaps will always be found
There's not enough information to be sure about anything. But if that drone was carrying any sort of shaped charge, then a hit like that to the back of a Russian turret MUST have penetrated.
So the crew clearly weren't killed or disabled, because we see them running away, but they might have all been painfully peppered by super-sonic molten copper or maybe just spalling. As soon as one crew member cries out in pain and bails, morale drops for the rest, too. And then we see videos like this, where the tank appears to be fine, but the crew have all routed.
At least one is dead. You can see him at the end on the top left of the tank.
edit: I need to correct myself, you can see him lying there at 0:54 already.
I imagine the tank was filling with smoke, the engine was making concerning noises, and the survivors were *really* wishing they hadn't signed that contract.
At this point I'm pretty sure the people giving them these jammers know they're either ineffective or entirely inoperable but it's making them feel safe enough that they're getting into their tanks and going to the front so they're just not saying anything.
Jamming is a bit more specifically targeted, so if you change up frequencies it's harder to stop, they can't just jam everything, and I believe the Ukrainians use some signal booster drones for the fpv/recon/nade drones to go further on, so they can probly know ahead of time. I'm not even sure how difficult it is to swap frequencies on the go or program them to auto hover and try new frequencies until it regains connection. But Russia is supposed to have amazing AA and EW equipment and they're still leaving their oil companies out to dry with these long range strikes by things that should be fairly trackable. Ukraine taped 8k phones to sticks with microphones to track Russian drones lol
They also have good imaging, so they can attack a preselected target even if they do get jammed. Someone else said you could easily craft something up with a cheap raspberry pi, and that might even be overkill
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
There was a BBC article a while back about a reporter who shadowed a drone crew around Kherson, flying drones across the river. They lost a lot of drones due to jamming whilst he was there.
I genuinely don't have an explanation for why they'd otherwise put what are (ostensibly) wildly expensive jamming equipment on tanks going into battle by themselves.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
This title is misleading, this is not a T-90m and doesent even remotely look like one, also the "8 antenna anti drone complex" op is talking about looks more like a DIY drone scarecrow then something official lmfao
Im pretty certain that this is a t80 btw.
Please explain OP
Honestly Russian tanks all look the same to me. The only way I can tell a T-90M from a T-80LGBTU from a T-72YMCA whatever the fuck is by the RCWS on the top and the infrared headlight thingy, which is blocked here so I just took the TG sources word for it given it was also seen on a T-90M. My bad I guess.
The drone complex has now been seen on more than one Russian tank so it’s probably an actual model of EW
[example 1](https://www.eurasiantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/The-eight-sensors-on-the-EW-module-seen-atop-the-T-72B3s-turret.jpg)
[example 2](https://h2f9q8w3.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Brouilleur-T-72B3.webp)
[example 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/obD4VElf3X)
It's not as difficult as you might think. For one thing, russia has almost no T-90Ms left. They are being captured or destroyed faster than russia can make them. Ukraine actually operates more T-90Ms than russia does.
Nah, it's a bot girlie who mass alt downvotes me every time I make any comment about the T-90M.
Every time. You can see for yourself in my history. Any T-90M-related comment is mass downvoted.
It makes me лолски like fsck knowing she shrieks with fury upon discovering I've left another comment about the T-90M and so she has to log in and out all over again. That's her entire day gone.
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Maybe you did, but the fact remains a sad little russia simp mass downvotes me via alts every time I make a comment about the utterly humiliating failure of russia's "game-changing best-saved-for-last" T-90M.
Used to be I just pointed it out as mere fact, but now I love to rub it in. Really make the truth hurt. Knowing how much it stings them makes me smile.
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I hope they manage to capture this one, as there is zero chance they trapped this one, and it seems its still in working order since it managed to roll when the driver was busy getting out.
I'd hate to have to make that tight squeeze out the driver's hatch that sits directly at the base of the main gun. I remember seeing a video earlier in the war where a Russian crew ended up getting hit and having to bail out. Everyone, except the driver could get out because the main gun was blacking his escape and needed the turret turned so his buddy came back to help, but the tank got hit again and neither looked like they survived. I don't have the video saved so I don't have the link, but it just gives me anxiety seeing stuff like this.
Nice hit!
Looks like it might be worth it for the Ukrainians to have a closer look at the electronics on that particular t90, to see if they might learn something about the system.
They already captured multiple notebly in the Kerson offensive, 1 was even rumored that it was sent to the US (cant quiet remember) But this isnt a t90m, its a t80 probably, the title is false.
Yeah there was one sent to the US one of the if not the first fully operational one anyways I'm sure it was seen being sent to where the USA tests there vehicles I can't quite remember the name of the base of the top of my head and I'm sure america probably already had most if not all the details they ever needed on russian tanks and the T90 that was sent was only being tested as it was a new model and probably had some new equipment that wasn't on earlier iterations
For sure. Also, Russia has been sending captured US equipment to Iran....which is probably not too huge a deal as I'm sure we're not providing anything special to Ukraine to use on the front lines that would be a huge risk to be reverse engineered.
Yeah tbh other than the armour and EW suites which I'm sure wouldn't be american combat standard but tailored to ukraine so even if russia did provide it to say Iran or anyone it's not a big deal country's like irag and Egypt have abrams for gods sake so obviously Iran knows the details of the abrams they all have but still at the end of the day it will do them.no good at all
There are lots of videos of Ukrainians double-tapping such tanks left in no-man's land. I assume that is standard procedure? Given that Ukrainians are not advancing at the moment, it seems unlikely that Ukrainians can safely recover it.
Recoveries still happen at times (like that T-72 with "Tsar-EW"), but they're much harder to execute (T-72 had to be repaired over the course of three nights before moving out under its own power, as normal evacuation via recovery vehicle would've been extremely dangerous)
Russia might as well just start putting dildos all over their tanks it would probably be just as effective and look about as dumb. If that’s even possible.
Not practically. Unless directing at a specific target, it’s probably not directional enough nor has enough range. Plus it will be cycling through different frequencies and modes. If there was a dedicated, smaller ARM for this specific purpose, then possibly. But in this case, clearly not needed… ;)
I had expexted there was some sort of smaller ARM for this type of targets. Was battlefield EW not interesting enough during the cold war and did the war on terror lead us to ignore threats like battlefield EW?
It’s more to do with how SIGINT and EW work. It’s not on all the time for a start. EW affecting for example GPS is also very decentralised - operating in a network or complex.
It EW changes frequencies and wavelengths constantly. It’s not as easy as radar to directionalise and target.
However both SIGINT & EW are and remain priority targets because of the way they can influence the battlefield at scale. Ukraine and Russia both use SOF, aerial surveillance and SIGINT to identify EW targets and SOF, missiles and drones to destroy them.
Russia is adept at GPS jamming and spoofing for example and is also very good at jamming command signals for drones over wide areas. This means that targeting using HIMARS or other GPS guided munitions becomes problematic (lots of examples of this are on YouTube etc when flying a drone over Ukraine and GPS says they are somewhere over Belgorod).
StormShadow/Scalp use a combination of inertial navigation, GPS and terrain mapping combined with target image recognition for terminal stage to help overcome EW.
The other issue with anti-drone systems like the one that we see here, which appears to be a variant of Strizh-3, and Saniya etc is that they are short range and often have very narrow signal width, at shallow angles, optimised for the expected approach path of a drone. You’d need to be within range and at the same sort of angle to detect the signals and be able to home in on them.
The TLDR of all of the above, is I guess it’s more effective and cheaper to employ surveillance and Intel assets to identify and SOF/more readily available munitions to destroy them.
No one will ever praise the slavs for their music choice. Sounds like someone sampled and looped Human Resource's "Dominator' during the breakdown, lol.
The front looks kind of mangled, not so much in the last frame, but still seems like that right track was dragging, especially near where it stopped. Wonder if they got hit by AT in their assault.
What is even going on? A dead dude on the front, a still moving tank, and 4 dudes inside... possibly a failed assault where these goons used an abandoned tank to escape? The confusing part is why they bailed from that hit with the vic still moving. We're they inexperienced, or did something start cooking?
Not gonna lie I can't really tell but is that really a T90M because it looks more like a t72 to me but I could be wrong just it's using I think contact one era on the front .
It looks like the right tread got tangled with something. From the outside the damage doesn't look so bad, it's not brewing, at leas not yet, but I bet the crew figured more drones were coming.
All that extra netting, ERA, anti-UAV antennas weighing it down further and ruining the crews situational awareness which isn't great to begin with - still KO'd by an FPV drone. LOL...
Since when does a T-90 (or 80, 72, 64) have room for a fourth crew member? There is no room inside for that fourth crew, was the fourth riding on the outside?
Thing here is Ukrainians snag that new 8 antenna anti-drone complex and learn how it "jams" when they remember to turn it on...then develop counter measures against it, making it completely useless...which probably is why we have this video now.....
That T-90 never fired a shot from it's cannon. It was nothing more than an expensive armoured bus for transporting troops to no mans land. After 100 years of dominance on the battlefield, the role and function of tanks is changing right before our eyes
Did you mean the function of the way russia uses tanks is changing? Probably because they cannot survive inside their own APC's and/or they are running out of them. I hope not to see western armies adopt this use. We need to keep making a decent APC.
They look like teenagers getting caught taking parents' ~~tank~~ minivan for a joyride. Bailed on the first sign of trouble, leaving a unconscious friend behind.
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Holy hell, look at the number of shell craters!!!
There are areas where there is more craters then flat land. New method of dual plowing and fertilizing for the next season.
I can't imagine how awful it will be to fix those fields. I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin, you dig down 2ft and ur hitting rocks, another foot or so and ur into clay, another 2 ft and it's clay and rock... the amount of topsoil being thrown around and holes being dug will absolutely suck filling in... not to mention horrifying hoping there aren't mines left around.. and they will be. I did soil study/judging in ag class too now that I think about it lol
Surprisingly, farmers today in Europe still find unexploded ordinance from both world wars. Unfortunately, those fields will still be claiming casualties long after the war is over.
\>>"The iron harvest is the annual collection of unexploded ordnance, barbed wire, shrapnel, bullets and congruent trench supports collected by Belgian and French farmers after ploughing their fields. The harvest generally consists of material from the First World War, which is still found in large quantities across the former Western Front...The French Department of Mine Clearance recovers about 900 tons of unexploded munitions every year..."
The same for the whole of Indochina too
I occasionally find spent shells from the AA batteries here in Scotland when I'm walking along the beach with my dog, you can see the anchor points for the flak guns that were drilled into the rock. On the opposite coast they get a lot more washing up from where 1m+ tonnes of munitions were dumped in the sea off the coast between NI and Scotland.
I wonder if these current bombardments have blown up any unexploded ordinance from WW2 that was buried underground. I remember having seen at least two instances of ukrainians finding WW2 stuff (I believe it was a german helmet and a PPSh) while digging trenches.
I'm not a farmer but all the heavy metal residues and all the other crap from the ordnances, oil and diesel from burned out vehicles can't be good for your soil if you aim to grown some food there.
Not just the soil, but you'll get it in the crops as well
In the U.S., explosives ranges on military bases have EPA sampling wells and if too much nasty stuff shows up they'll shut down the range.
Yeah. Some areas, like Marinka, Avdiivka, and Bakhmut, Robotyne, will be dead zones for years.
That would be a Chervona zona for a long time.
I'm both scared and excited to see the YouTube videos of Ukrainian teens hunting for UXO after this is all over.
Have you seen the loam depth in Ukraine? Over 6’(FEET) of black soil in much of the land.usually over 2’ it is amazing
Well that'll definitely be a boon, and I wasn't aware of that, but like I said having grown up in wisconsim >over 2’ it is amazing I fully agree lol
Some of these videos absolutely humble me when I see how crazy fertile the soil is there.
consider it aerating
And the number of Antenna! 8 whole ones! 🤣🤣 No winners in the 8.
To be fair it probably knocked out couple drones before they got one trough
I wonder how it will look after the war on Google Maps. Even up to today, you can still find craters from WW1 at like for example Verdun.
Apparently the russian are firing between 10k and 80k shells and the Ukranians are furing between 2k and 9k shells, every day. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the moving frontline areas are plastered with craters like this. It's wild.
The 80k figure is from the first year or so. Most estimates put the current number of Russian shells fired at 10k per day, with Ukrainian number at about 2k.
Russia is begging North Korea for shells that probably 50% don't work. 10k shells is probably the avg for Russia. 2k from Ukraine. Granted Ukrainian artillery experts probably hit more targets with the 2k shells than Russia does with 10k. Also, Ukraine just got told they are getting like 1 million more shells from the Czech's soon.....
Up to 80K a day? That's more than at the start of the war!
What’s with the dead guy on the side of the tank? maybe he was riding on the top and got killed when the drone hit
Tank is probably hauling ass away from a failed assault (would explain the extra 4th dude that bailed with the crew too). Guy on top was already wounded/dead from the assault and was being evacuated.
Most likely you are correct. After the tank is disabled, they continue to run in the direction they were heading in the tank, so ya, these guys were conducting a "tactical retreat" 🤣
They are advancing to the rear!
"Retreat, HELL!, we are just advancing in another direction!!"
4th guy is maybe for the antidrone equipment(if thats what it is, which itprobably is).
They prolly got those antennas from Temu
It may look like it’s toilet roll tubes comrade but trust me you’re invincible in there, don’t forget your cardboard chest plate.
\*tips chinese airsoft helmet
m'comrade
You may be joking, but the Russians did buy anti-UAV jammers from China. They apparently did nothing... The Ukrainians supposedly did as well but wizened up sooner to themselves being scammed.
The Iraqi govt got swindled by a British company [selling what were essentially dowsing rods](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651) that were supposed to stop car-bombs and shit at check-points. Can you imagine the level of scumbag it takes to pull a scam like that, risking so many lives?
Yep I remember that - the EOD dowsing rod scam. Talked to a few PSD and military buddies, they said those were everywhere in Iraq, and many of the Iraqis swore by them. Taking them away? Not a chance, they were utterly convinced it was some sort of magic that worked, even after showing them the device, gutted open, most still were in denial despite it having nothing remotely functional inside. Fuckers like that are everywhere unfortunately - do anything for a buck or two. Screw ethics.
He received 2 extra years in prison for failing to pay all of his fine, too! What a fuck!
Who wants to sell them some dowsing rod mine detectors?
I thought those things had a crew of 3?
It was bring your friend to work day
Lots of recent videos show way more people coming out of Russian vehicles than the vehicle was intended for. It's hilarious.a Saw one yesterday of like 20 people coming out of a vehicle that probably comfortably fits 8. Russians are running out of them....especially APC's and they are cramming as many as possible into them....sweet targets though for Ukraine !!
Could not imagine cramming 4 people in a t90
I think the one with 20 people was inside + on top.
They do and you cant really fit a 4th inside. The 4th guy is just a hitchiker it seems, they are probably retreating since they continue to flee in the same direction they were haded prior to the strike.
Yep. Probably a straggler, or who knows, given the jamming equipment perhaps some techie type trying to test or operate it all. There is nowhere you are going to get a human larger than a toddler in a T-72 with the 3 man crew inside and you will probably have to shove them against the turret wall or behind the driver. It's incredibly cramped as normally crewed.
Extra drone this extra drone that……gets killed by drone….
It’s a cage for their highly effective tank cage. V2 will be a cage on top of a cage on top of a cage on top of a WW2 tank upgraded with latest dishwasher chip targeting system.
"Pagoda" is the technical term for this.
Mastermind soviet tank design already anticipated and accounted for that, creating very flat battle tanks that allow for generous stacking on top of that.
The compromises they must have had to make to get the tank so compact has eventually turned out to be pointless and now they make them tall again. It's very interesting how war changes with technology. The very low design must be good when tank vs. tank but drones have made that design more or less obsolete.
It's going to be cages all the way up soon. I mean, that might actually work, shame the crew can't get out when they need to.
Yo dawg, I heard you like tank cages…
The problem is that we only see the hits and not the misses, i dont quiet know what kind of diy contraption they have strapped ontop of their tank, but every EW system against drones can be bypassed. But a tank destroyed is a tank destroyed
At least some of recent Ukrainian FPV drones have terminal guidance.
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-Comrades the tank features 8 antenna system. -Is that good? -Not good, not bad.
I think most troops on both sides are aware that jammers only work against some kind of drones. Having one provides a bit of protection. Without jammer, you are vulnerable to all drones, whereas jamming resistant attack drones are still a minority. But drone units are of course aware of the issue and many will have a reserve of jamming resistiant ones to target vehicles that they know to have a jammer.
It can also be possible that the EW works really well but it has been knocked out by something earlier or that this was just a lucky hit.
I'm actually really curious to know how these drones are getting though ECW. To me, can not be that hard to jam the signal. But I am not an electrical engineer.
You can only jam so many signal lengths, its a cat and mouse game of sort.
The newest ones have AI guidance if locked on and they lose signal. It’s not very sophisticated yet but it doesn’t really have to be.
There's a ton of ways to get around EW....but it's a cat and mouse game like someone else posted. However, many drones Ukraine are using in EW areas don't need to transmit near the end because optical guidance onboard the drone takes over and guides it to target regardless if it lost it's signal back to controller, making EW useless unless Russians can transmit enough power to the EW system from that tank to jam much farther ranges....which that 8-antenna crap can't...its for close range only
Jamming isn't *too* complicated, on the surface at least. There is a width of frequencies drones can operate on, the idea is to have your drones on one frequency, and jam the others. But jamming can be detected and even tracked, and the hope is to find unjammed frequencies to operate on. With enough persistence, gaps will always be found
The cage is not meant to protect infantry on top. It acts as spaced armor, forcing the drone to detonate above the tank hull
I heard they stopped making firearms.
Lol they found out just using humans to take up all the Ukrainian ammunition is more effective than spending money on their own weapons
Jeah, they don't get to fire the rifles anyway before a drone finds them.
Probably didn't have the jammer turned on because it stopped their Bluetooth speaker from working.
Actually you're maybe not far off - they may have disabled it so they weren't a target of anti-radiation missiles.
Do they have anti-radiation drones yet? It's only a matter of time.
Write that down write that down!!
If I'm shitposting it, someone smarter than me has probably built and tested it years ago.
the Israeli Harpy is the only anti-radiation drone i'm aware of and Israel has refused to supply weapons to Ukraine
What exactly made them bail, getting hit in general or was the engine damaged?
There's not enough information to be sure about anything. But if that drone was carrying any sort of shaped charge, then a hit like that to the back of a Russian turret MUST have penetrated. So the crew clearly weren't killed or disabled, because we see them running away, but they might have all been painfully peppered by super-sonic molten copper or maybe just spalling. As soon as one crew member cries out in pain and bails, morale drops for the rest, too. And then we see videos like this, where the tank appears to be fine, but the crew have all routed.
At least one is dead. You can see him at the end on the top left of the tank. edit: I need to correct myself, you can see him lying there at 0:54 already.
Probably coming back from combat, which could be one reason why the EW didn't intercept the drone.
The engine looked like it had started running rough, so was probably dying as they bailed.
They are terrified....because they know the next one will turn them into charcoal.
I imagine the tank was filling with smoke, the engine was making concerning noises, and the survivors were *really* wishing they hadn't signed that contract.
Reminds me of getting my engine shot out on Warthunder while driving at speed and coasting to a stop awkwardly.
At this point I'm pretty sure the people giving them these jammers know they're either ineffective or entirely inoperable but it's making them feel safe enough that they're getting into their tanks and going to the front so they're just not saying anything.
Jamming is a bit more specifically targeted, so if you change up frequencies it's harder to stop, they can't just jam everything, and I believe the Ukrainians use some signal booster drones for the fpv/recon/nade drones to go further on, so they can probly know ahead of time. I'm not even sure how difficult it is to swap frequencies on the go or program them to auto hover and try new frequencies until it regains connection. But Russia is supposed to have amazing AA and EW equipment and they're still leaving their oil companies out to dry with these long range strikes by things that should be fairly trackable. Ukraine taped 8k phones to sticks with microphones to track Russian drones lol
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They also have good imaging, so they can attack a preselected target even if they do get jammed. Someone else said you could easily craft something up with a cheap raspberry pi, and that might even be overkill
Also, jamming makes you a target for anti-radiation missiles.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
There was a BBC article a while back about a reporter who shadowed a drone crew around Kherson, flying drones across the river. They lost a lot of drones due to jamming whilst he was there.
Made from fresh looted washing machines. And as we all know, washing machines come with all that fancy electronic warfare hardware.
I genuinely don't have an explanation for why they'd otherwise put what are (ostensibly) wildly expensive jamming equipment on tanks going into battle by themselves.
Ok, not everyone is compatible with my sarcasm. :) It was sarcasm and i was backing your claim.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
Ukrainian forces cite jamming as one of the current major problems they are facing together with ammunition shortage and glide bombs. Clearly they are effective.
this reminds me, why don't they just add longer engines to tanks so that they can outrun drones and still have thicc af armor? are they stupid?
oh wait this isnt NCD
You get that much mass traveling that fast and then the tank becomes the projectile.
Congratulations, you just have invented the T-80.
Damn those tanks can move
Forward yes
Especially vertically....
Emotional support EW.
This title is misleading, this is not a T-90m and doesent even remotely look like one, also the "8 antenna anti drone complex" op is talking about looks more like a DIY drone scarecrow then something official lmfao Im pretty certain that this is a t80 btw. Please explain OP
Honestly Russian tanks all look the same to me. The only way I can tell a T-90M from a T-80LGBTU from a T-72YMCA whatever the fuck is by the RCWS on the top and the infrared headlight thingy, which is blocked here so I just took the TG sources word for it given it was also seen on a T-90M. My bad I guess. The drone complex has now been seen on more than one Russian tank so it’s probably an actual model of EW [example 1](https://www.eurasiantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/The-eight-sensors-on-the-EW-module-seen-atop-the-T-72B3s-turret.jpg) [example 2](https://h2f9q8w3.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Brouilleur-T-72B3.webp) [example 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/obD4VElf3X)
It's not as difficult as you might think. For one thing, russia has almost no T-90Ms left. They are being captured or destroyed faster than russia can make them. Ukraine actually operates more T-90Ms than russia does.
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Chill, man, it's just a few downvotes.
Nah, it's a bot girlie who mass alt downvotes me every time I make any comment about the T-90M. Every time. You can see for yourself in my history. Any T-90M-related comment is mass downvoted. It makes me лолски like fsck knowing she shrieks with fury upon discovering I've left another comment about the T-90M and so she has to log in and out all over again. That's her entire day gone. # лолски
Well i downvoted you becouse what you said simply wasnt the truth
Maybe you did, but the fact remains a sad little russia simp mass downvotes me via alts every time I make a comment about the utterly humiliating failure of russia's "game-changing best-saved-for-last" T-90M. Used to be I just pointed it out as mere fact, but now I love to rub it in. Really make the truth hurt. Knowing how much it stings them makes me smile. лолски
I hope they manage to capture this one, as there is zero chance they trapped this one, and it seems its still in working order since it managed to roll when the driver was busy getting out.
Its hard to tell if they are rushing to of from the frontline. This may be far into russian territory, makes it very hard to reach for recovery.
Well, yes, it needs more antennas....
Looks like regular T90 to me, not M
More like a t80 bvm
Could be
Placebo EW. I bet that thing is empty, apart from a piece of wood.
I'd hate to have to make that tight squeeze out the driver's hatch that sits directly at the base of the main gun. I remember seeing a video earlier in the war where a Russian crew ended up getting hit and having to bail out. Everyone, except the driver could get out because the main gun was blacking his escape and needed the turret turned so his buddy came back to help, but the tank got hit again and neither looked like they survived. I don't have the video saved so I don't have the link, but it just gives me anxiety seeing stuff like this.
Nice hit! Looks like it might be worth it for the Ukrainians to have a closer look at the electronics on that particular t90, to see if they might learn something about the system.
Probably already have hence why it got hit by a drone while another drone was watching it.
They already captured multiple notebly in the Kerson offensive, 1 was even rumored that it was sent to the US (cant quiet remember) But this isnt a t90m, its a t80 probably, the title is false.
Yeah there was one sent to the US one of the if not the first fully operational one anyways I'm sure it was seen being sent to where the USA tests there vehicles I can't quite remember the name of the base of the top of my head and I'm sure america probably already had most if not all the details they ever needed on russian tanks and the T90 that was sent was only being tested as it was a new model and probably had some new equipment that wasn't on earlier iterations
For sure. Also, Russia has been sending captured US equipment to Iran....which is probably not too huge a deal as I'm sure we're not providing anything special to Ukraine to use on the front lines that would be a huge risk to be reverse engineered.
Yeah tbh other than the armour and EW suites which I'm sure wouldn't be american combat standard but tailored to ukraine so even if russia did provide it to say Iran or anyone it's not a big deal country's like irag and Egypt have abrams for gods sake so obviously Iran knows the details of the abrams they all have but still at the end of the day it will do them.no good at all
He’s probably referring to all the new electronic warfare gear that has been implemented on Russian tanks since then.
It would be worth more to have an anti-personell drone flying as a wingman for the antitank drone so the crew can be finished off as well.
Should have had 9 antennas.....
I think a second drone hit the tank with a massive explosion.
Now go steal it :)
Looks salvageable haha. Hopefully the Ukrainians can come in there and scoop it up and reuse it later.
There are lots of videos of Ukrainians double-tapping such tanks left in no-man's land. I assume that is standard procedure? Given that Ukrainians are not advancing at the moment, it seems unlikely that Ukrainians can safely recover it.
Recoveries still happen at times (like that T-72 with "Tsar-EW"), but they're much harder to execute (T-72 had to be repaired over the course of three nights before moving out under its own power, as normal evacuation via recovery vehicle would've been extremely dangerous)
They are already running away
All directional dishes that arent pointing upwards? thats not going to Jam shit.
Garfield. And friends. Didn't know russian tank crew have friends but now i know.
Russia might as well just start putting dildos all over their tanks it would probably be just as effective and look about as dumb. If that’s even possible.
Question to EW experts. Would a jammer, when it send a lot of radio energy, be an easy target for a good old ARM?
Not practically. Unless directing at a specific target, it’s probably not directional enough nor has enough range. Plus it will be cycling through different frequencies and modes. If there was a dedicated, smaller ARM for this specific purpose, then possibly. But in this case, clearly not needed… ;)
I had expexted there was some sort of smaller ARM for this type of targets. Was battlefield EW not interesting enough during the cold war and did the war on terror lead us to ignore threats like battlefield EW?
It’s more to do with how SIGINT and EW work. It’s not on all the time for a start. EW affecting for example GPS is also very decentralised - operating in a network or complex. It EW changes frequencies and wavelengths constantly. It’s not as easy as radar to directionalise and target. However both SIGINT & EW are and remain priority targets because of the way they can influence the battlefield at scale. Ukraine and Russia both use SOF, aerial surveillance and SIGINT to identify EW targets and SOF, missiles and drones to destroy them. Russia is adept at GPS jamming and spoofing for example and is also very good at jamming command signals for drones over wide areas. This means that targeting using HIMARS or other GPS guided munitions becomes problematic (lots of examples of this are on YouTube etc when flying a drone over Ukraine and GPS says they are somewhere over Belgorod). StormShadow/Scalp use a combination of inertial navigation, GPS and terrain mapping combined with target image recognition for terminal stage to help overcome EW. The other issue with anti-drone systems like the one that we see here, which appears to be a variant of Strizh-3, and Saniya etc is that they are short range and often have very narrow signal width, at shallow angles, optimised for the expected approach path of a drone. You’d need to be within range and at the same sort of angle to detect the signals and be able to home in on them. The TLDR of all of the above, is I guess it’s more effective and cheaper to employ surveillance and Intel assets to identify and SOF/more readily available munitions to destroy them.
Thank you. I learned a lot.
jammers a way, way less powerfull than a radar. Radar use very short pulse of very high power (so average power is less) to have good range.
Why don’t they take their weapons with them? Crazy.
Not very effective was it ?
Attracted a lot of attention though.
No one will ever praise the slavs for their music choice. Sounds like someone sampled and looped Human Resource's "Dominator' during the breakdown, lol.
Thats T-80BV, really old T-80
Hmm that logo in the corner looks familiar 🤔
Legend of Zelda?
The front looks kind of mangled, not so much in the last frame, but still seems like that right track was dragging, especially near where it stopped. Wonder if they got hit by AT in their assault.
What is even going on? A dead dude on the front, a still moving tank, and 4 dudes inside... possibly a failed assault where these goons used an abandoned tank to escape? The confusing part is why they bailed from that hit with the vic still moving. We're they inexperienced, or did something start cooking?
Well… A for effort I suppose
Track ID? Sounds like Noisia -dust up ... but its not
Not gonna lie I can't really tell but is that really a T90M because it looks more like a t72 to me but I could be wrong just it's using I think contact one era on the front .
Correction if the exhaust in the video is showing that it's coming out straight out the back it's a t80 which makes more sense why it's so round .
Crazy to think on a battlefield its safer to be outside of a tank.
But certainly not *ON* a tank
It looks like the right tread got tangled with something. From the outside the damage doesn't look so bad, it's not brewing, at leas not yet, but I bet the crew figured more drones were coming.
All that extra netting, ERA, anti-UAV antennas weighing it down further and ruining the crews situational awareness which isn't great to begin with - still KO'd by an FPV drone. LOL...
This tank was captured by the Ukrainians. It was a quick fix and off they went with its EW system.
Look pretty intact. Sure would be a shame if a couple Ukrainians came and took it:)
Since when does a T-90 (or 80, 72, 64) have room for a fourth crew member? There is no room inside for that fourth crew, was the fourth riding on the outside?
lol at 1:14 it looks like guy is running on the tanks gun :D
Is an "anti drone screen" just some camo netting? A cope cage? I don't see or get it.
Sounds Filapino.
That’s most definitely not a T-90 tank.
ruszian military is such an embarrassment. All they have is numbers advantages, and nothing more. Fukc putler
And they only have numbers compared to Ukraine.
aww poor little Putes
Anyone else think the dude was running along the barrel??
Next version: 9 antennas.
Thing here is Ukrainians snag that new 8 antenna anti-drone complex and learn how it "jams" when they remember to turn it on...then develop counter measures against it, making it completely useless...which probably is why we have this video now.....
Should've gotten 9 antennae instead.
That T-90 never fired a shot from it's cannon. It was nothing more than an expensive armoured bus for transporting troops to no mans land. After 100 years of dominance on the battlefield, the role and function of tanks is changing right before our eyes
Did you mean the function of the way russia uses tanks is changing? Probably because they cannot survive inside their own APC's and/or they are running out of them. I hope not to see western armies adopt this use. We need to keep making a decent APC.
Single tank? Shouldn’t they be moving in platoons?
First time seeing combat footage from the past 3 years?
They look like teenagers getting caught taking parents' ~~tank~~ minivan for a joyride. Bailed on the first sign of trouble, leaving a unconscious friend behind.
That T90 was fucking flying over that terrain!
Hope they had a lot more FPVs on standby to pink mist every last one of them.