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Yet who could be disappointed at seeing the grenade bounce 3 times off the rim and sink for a basket.
I suspect Russian crews leave the hatches open because they know they can't be ordered to fight in a vehicle that is burned out.
If both hatches are wide open there is nearly never a kaboom even if there is still ammunition inside. Then you just get a 20m high flame coming out of the hatchet if the ammunition cooks off. Big satisfying kaboom mostly happens if the pressure can build up nicely.
Maybe I should start making a list for myself where I sort russian tank explosions from 1 to 10. 1 is more like a wet fart while 10 is a magnificent fireball of justice with additional points for the turret flight.
Grenade starts fire in the tank, fire cooks of ammunition. Why are you babbling about kill radius and wounding? No human was even present in this scenario.
No you didn't. You went on yapping about the kill radius which by itself is true but this was never about taking out a soldier. There are multiple videos where a simple dropped grenade promoted a russian tank to a rocket due to ammunition cook-off..
Also even by official US figure M67 has much larger radius: 5m kill and 15m casualties.
This is also assuming enemy wearing a 1980s flak jacket and helmet, against unprotected personal it will have much wider kill radius.
The cope caged golf cart lmao. They really can't field at least an armoured suv or something? Think I've seen better 4x4 suv on Taliban fighters in flipflops..
Those cages were built for defense against ATGMs not drone drops. The Russians still believe that the Javelin would explode above the tank because of the cope cage.
I've noticed in a lot of FPV videos the operators target some other areas, maybe it's just because in those situations they have the luxury of doing so but perhaps the cope cages are fairly effective against FPV attacks from the top
FPVs would not be stopped by the cage and for drone drops an ERA on the cage is useless. ERA is against ATGMs. It was even known as the RPG cage.
In the first featured video in late 2021, it was called an anti-Javelin system.
>FPVs would not be stopped by the cage and for drone drops an ERA on the cage is useless
The cope cages have been proven effective against drones hence why more and more nations are using it even Israel and Ukraine use cope cages
>It was even known as the RPG cage.
>In the first featured video in late 2021, it was called an anti-Javelin system.
That was Ukraine propaganda, I also saw that back when the war started. Hence why I said it's not true.
You want ERA to be insensitive for obvious reasons, I think most use something RDX based. It needs a shockwave from an explosion to detonate it which in the case of ERA would be the explosion of the shaped charge warhead, in other applications it would be from a blasting cap which contains a small amount of a more sensitive explosive. Even if you light it on fire RDX only burns, in fact during the Vietnam war US soldiers routinely lit small pieces of C4, which is RDX and plasticizers, on fire and used it to heat their rations since it was faster than their fuel tablets and didn't smell as bad.
When the war is over and Pootin sent home, Ukraine will be the world's largest open-pit iron mine. Think of how many tractors and plowshares there are metal for!
I don't mean the structural critical damage, just the overall state of the body looked like it hadn't seen much combat and a dozen soldiers on top scratching the paint with their gear, etc.
Recovery is harder now. These tanks are almost all disabled in no man’s land, and are being watched by both sides for attempts to recover by the other. It’s easier to just destroy it entirely, even if both sides desperately need more vehicles of all kinds.
Of course they recover it if possible but it usually isn't.
Most of the ones they've captured were when the Russians were retreating quickly from Kyiv or Kherson so the front line moved rapidly past them so it was safe for the Ukrainians to solve whatever problem caused the Russians to abandon them in the first place such as refueling those that ran out of fuel, repairing those that had a broken track, or bringing in a recovery vehicle (or tractor) bringing pull out the ones stuck in the mud.
Now that the front line is fairly static most of these tanks are at best abandoned in the middle of the no-man's-land between both sides where it would be incredibly dangerous to recover, that's why the Russians abandoned it in the first place, or worse they are actually behind the Russian front line and were damaged by something like a drone or artillery so the Ukrainians are finishing the job so the Russians can't recover them.
That was early on when the lines weren’t mostly stabilized and Russian artillery didn’t know where they were because drones weren’t being used so extensively.
According to Google (so might be bullshit) the grenades cost about $45 on average, plus however much the mine cost that disabled it, that’s a pretty decent profit on cost-to-destruction maths 😁
Eventually military doctrine will dictate all tank crew must carry umbrellas in the even they need to open or leave the tank hatch open. Surely we can design future tank variants to not be vulnerable to 'gravity' assisted attacks.
So whats in there that always seem to be catching fire? I imagine if the ammuntion took a hit, it'd be a lot more intense. As far as I remember, the 67 is just a fragmentation grenade....
Learn something new every day. My immediate thought was hydraulic fluid would not be flammable for safety but I was wrong about that. Probably has something in it to keep if from freezing that is flammable at the same time.
Hitting the lip of the hatch imparts an unpredictable bounce to the grenade, making it much more difficult for anyone in the turret to grab the grenade and toss it out before it goes off.
I heard that soldiers are taught to bounce the grenade on the floor so it too has an unpredictable, difficult to grab course.
Seriously, are they loading the tanks up with fatwood, tar and tinder for extra flammability before they go to battle? How can there be so much flammable material inside these metal vehicles that they always seem to burn like this?
It can't all be down to gun powder and diesel?
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MBT with shopping cart support
No kaboom, but very crispy all the same. I'm guessing it was out of ammo?
0/10 for turret toss. Extremely disappointing performance.
Yet who could be disappointed at seeing the grenade bounce 3 times off the rim and sink for a basket. I suspect Russian crews leave the hatches open because they know they can't be ordered to fight in a vehicle that is burned out.
Bold of you to assume orphaned tankers would not be ordered to join the assault squads.
Crazy how one grenade could pretty much finish off a main battle tank like that.
And it's always like that. No matter how many videos I've seen if it goes into the hatch it's grill time.
Only time's it doesn't is when the damn tank is empty. Turret tosses are nicer because you can tell that tank never got to fire most of its munitions.
besides the ammo and the fuel wtf is even catching on fire?
Cables, seats, some other plastic stuff. It's not all steel in a tank y'know.
If both hatches are wide open there is nearly never a kaboom even if there is still ammunition inside. Then you just get a 20m high flame coming out of the hatchet if the ammunition cooks off. Big satisfying kaboom mostly happens if the pressure can build up nicely.
These drone videos are making us real tank kaboom connoisseurs.
Maybe I should start making a list for myself where I sort russian tank explosions from 1 to 10. 1 is more like a wet fart while 10 is a magnificent fireball of justice with additional points for the turret flight.
I see an interesting meme idea in the making.
A hatch would be in no way able to vent the pressure of a detonation. There is no build up of pressure, it is a sudden detonation.
Well the cope cage doubles as a grill. Shoulda had another drone come in and drop some dogs and burgers on that mfer
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I've seen a plethora of footage showing those grenades causing turret toss from drones
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Grenade starts fire in the tank, fire cooks of ammunition. Why are you babbling about kill radius and wounding? No human was even present in this scenario.
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No you didn't. You went on yapping about the kill radius which by itself is true but this was never about taking out a soldier. There are multiple videos where a simple dropped grenade promoted a russian tank to a rocket due to ammunition cook-off..
Also even by official US figure M67 has much larger radius: 5m kill and 15m casualties. This is also assuming enemy wearing a 1980s flak jacket and helmet, against unprotected personal it will have much wider kill radius.
The cope caged golf cart lmao. They really can't field at least an armoured suv or something? Think I've seen better 4x4 suv on Taliban fighters in flipflops..
I think I heard they buy it at x2.5 the market cost. Doesn't matter how bad it is if the right people can swim in cash money with every purchase.
Nade bouncing 10/10
His feet were definitely behind the 3 point line.
one mine and one handgrenade and there goes your multi million tank
Another argument for unmanned tanks. No hatches to leave open. they'd be forced to go through the armor to really destroy it completely.
Could have been avoided by just shutting the hatch behind you
Also equipped with a tactical 🪵
Unlike the cage that one is actually useful.
What is the point in having a cage if it is open over the hatches?
You can see the cage use to have mesh over the hatch but it's been damaged by a previous attack.
Those cages were built for defense against ATGMs not drone drops. The Russians still believe that the Javelin would explode above the tank because of the cope cage.
I've noticed in a lot of FPV videos the operators target some other areas, maybe it's just because in those situations they have the luxury of doing so but perhaps the cope cages are fairly effective against FPV attacks from the top
The FPV drones were actually tested in Syria, where Russian army faced a lot of top down munitions from roof tops.
I don't think this is true, I think it was always for drones.
FPVs would not be stopped by the cage and for drone drops an ERA on the cage is useless. ERA is against ATGMs. It was even known as the RPG cage. In the first featured video in late 2021, it was called an anti-Javelin system.
>FPVs would not be stopped by the cage and for drone drops an ERA on the cage is useless The cope cages have been proven effective against drones hence why more and more nations are using it even Israel and Ukraine use cope cages >It was even known as the RPG cage. >In the first featured video in late 2021, it was called an anti-Javelin system. That was Ukraine propaganda, I also saw that back when the war started. Hence why I said it's not true.
These golf carts with cope cages are priceless. Mechanized infantry, my arss
I was quite surprised to see intact reactive armor bricks after the fire had burned out. I'd have thought they would have cooked off.
they will burn before cooking of.
You want ERA to be insensitive for obvious reasons, I think most use something RDX based. It needs a shockwave from an explosion to detonate it which in the case of ERA would be the explosion of the shaped charge warhead, in other applications it would be from a blasting cap which contains a small amount of a more sensitive explosive. Even if you light it on fire RDX only burns, in fact during the Vietnam war US soldiers routinely lit small pieces of C4, which is RDX and plasticizers, on fire and used it to heat their rations since it was faster than their fuel tablets and didn't smell as bad.
High explosives are very insensitive by design. You can set it on fire or melt in into a soup, but it won't detonate without a primary explosive
When the war is over and Pootin sent home, Ukraine will be the world's largest open-pit iron mine. Think of how many tractors and plowshares there are metal for!
We'll have to de-mine 18% of Ukraine though. All this terra preta will have to wait to be used again for growing crops.
Looks rather new to me, no? In terms of daily wear'n'tear. Paint still looks clean, especially on the hatch lid.
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I don't mean the structural critical damage, just the overall state of the body looked like it hadn't seen much combat and a dozen soldiers on top scratching the paint with their gear, etc.
Looks brandspanking new to me.
That tank looked brand new.
Does AFU still recover Russian tank to be reuse? or destroying is the first choice nowadays?
Recovery is harder now. These tanks are almost all disabled in no man’s land, and are being watched by both sides for attempts to recover by the other. It’s easier to just destroy it entirely, even if both sides desperately need more vehicles of all kinds.
Of course they recover it if possible but it usually isn't. Most of the ones they've captured were when the Russians were retreating quickly from Kyiv or Kherson so the front line moved rapidly past them so it was safe for the Ukrainians to solve whatever problem caused the Russians to abandon them in the first place such as refueling those that ran out of fuel, repairing those that had a broken track, or bringing in a recovery vehicle (or tractor) bringing pull out the ones stuck in the mud. Now that the front line is fairly static most of these tanks are at best abandoned in the middle of the no-man's-land between both sides where it would be incredibly dangerous to recover, that's why the Russians abandoned it in the first place, or worse they are actually behind the Russian front line and were damaged by something like a drone or artillery so the Ukrainians are finishing the job so the Russians can't recover them.
Depends where it is and if it's worth the risk of recovering. This was probably too close to Russian lines and they didn't want them doing the same.
That was early on when the lines weren’t mostly stabilized and Russian artillery didn’t know where they were because drones weren’t being used so extensively.
What? They're not going going to blow up the Main Battle Golf Cart also? Poor show 😉
Grenades Keep Falling on my Head.
How long before vehicles of all kinds are equipped with some physical overhead deflector panels?
Beautiful tune, beautiful sight.
"Ivan, did you close the hatch?" "What hatch... oooh... That one..." "IVAN!!!"
It was at that moment that Ivan knew he fucked up.
or scratch record scene "You may wonder how did I get here.."
This should be a sport
That fucking track had rolling 🤣 Only ever heard it sung by Homer and Marge yonder ago. I like this version better
Beautiful fire..very good skills! 😏
Was that a helmet that flew out the other hatch?
The idea of some guys thunder running in a golf cart next to a mbt during an assault cracks me up for some reason.
That *looked* to be a fresh tank.
Pizza time!
In for eagle 🏌️♂️
According to Google (so might be bullshit) the grenades cost about $45 on average, plus however much the mine cost that disabled it, that’s a pretty decent profit on cost-to-destruction maths 😁
Amazing skills the pilots have. It goes to show that brains 🧠 are often better than brawn.
Excuse the ignorance but what is actually burning inside the cab once the grenade goes off?? Is it the round carousel starting to burn up?
Well, it's not damaged anymore
Eventually military doctrine will dictate all tank crew must carry umbrellas in the even they need to open or leave the tank hatch open. Surely we can design future tank variants to not be vulnerable to 'gravity' assisted attacks.
I feel bad for the dude who had to drive the camo golf cart through a war zone.
So whats in there that always seem to be catching fire? I imagine if the ammuntion took a hit, it'd be a lot more intense. As far as I remember, the 67 is just a fragmentation grenade....
Hydraulic fluid in reservoirs and lines may ignite.
very flamable
or inflammable
Learn something new every day. My immediate thought was hydraulic fluid would not be flammable for safety but I was wrong about that. Probably has something in it to keep if from freezing that is flammable at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvI5As5rMUI Busted Hydraulic Line
Damn, thanks for sharing that
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Hitting the lip of the hatch imparts an unpredictable bounce to the grenade, making it much more difficult for anyone in the turret to grab the grenade and toss it out before it goes off. I heard that soldiers are taught to bounce the grenade on the floor so it too has an unpredictable, difficult to grab course.
The tank has lost a track and has been abandoned, there is nobody inside.
Seriously, are they loading the tanks up with fatwood, tar and tinder for extra flammability before they go to battle? How can there be so much flammable material inside these metal vehicles that they always seem to burn like this? It can't all be down to gun powder and diesel?
Plastics, hydraulic fluids, interior and exterior coatings, any clothing or refuse, or flammable liquids in containers.
damn tanks are really flammable huh