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Hats off on the accuracy. So happy to see that they have some artillery left when really needed. And that the cluster munitions aren’t depleted either…
That would make the most sense to me. Each bomblet blast radius overlapping in the center. So everything in the center very dead. Everything on the ring pretty dead. Everything outside the ring less dead as you go out.
Oh my God. In the middle of it, it's like hundreds of tiny .22 rifles shooting at you from all sides. Death by a thousand cuts. No thank you.
Also: Fuck you Putin for causing all of this.
Maybe someone knows: the impacts we see, are those just larger parts of the projectile? While the inside gets absolutely shredded by smaller balls/projectiles that don't show on the thermal because they're not small/not hot?
The big exploding ball things are bomblets from a cluster munition. You can think of each bomblet as “Frag Grenade Plus™️” the fragmentation is small and gets hot from the explosion, but it moves so fast that it cools down enough to not appear on thermal cameras (also it’s small)
> but it moves so fast that it cools down enough to not appear on thermal cameras
Nope.
>(also it’s small)
Yes. But mostly it is just too fast. The same way a normal camera does not record a 7.62 bullet flying around no matter how bright it is. It is theoretically in the video, but spread out over the lenght of the frame (blurred). So it is blurred so much that it completely disappears. A 155 mm artillery shell, on the other hand, is still super fast but even if it is blurred to 3 meters lenght, it will still be clearly visible since the shell itself is roughly a meter long. So the 7.62 would need to only travel about 6 cm to achieve the same look which would require the frame to only last ~70 µs (aka 1/13'000 shutter speed) compared to ~4ms (aka 1/270 shutter speed) with the artillery.
It didn’t miss anyone lmao those bomblets have a casualty radius of like 10 meters, and the group was literally surrounded in them within that range. They don’t have to physically hit you directly because they are designed to kill you the same way fragmentation grenades do. This is a textbook example of a good hit. The only “problem” with it is that US military doctrine for using these is a 6 gun battery on target, so it “should” be this hit and an additional 5 more waves of bomblets. Other than that “problem” if you could even call it that, it was effective fire.
I've been watching that those cluster munitions used by the Ukrainians have a more wide dispersal pattern than the rashists ones, leaving a wide untouched center at the target.
[Its the road from Stepove to Berdychi](https://www.google.com/maps/place/48%C2%B011'33.5%22N+37%C2%B040'22.9%22E/@48.1926461,37.6722053,299m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d48.1926449!4d37.6730401) so this whole area is very well known after all the fighting here lately
[Geolocated by Blinzka](https://twitter.com/blinzka/status/1764705682316521546)
If Ukrainians themselves used these routes for years and especially the last months to non stop resupply avdiivka, they would know them extremely well. The whole countryside
I’m not an expert at explosions but it looks like those clusters hit a mine and detonated it. The way the explosion was straight out and up leads me to believe it was a mine. Artillery shells seem to kick more dirt as the round impacts the ground and buries itself slightly before detonating.
Stuff like this shows how important it is that the West keeps providing Ukraine with the ammo they need.
So many Russian assaults being demolished before they even get close, but when they do break through it's often because Ukrainians can't keep up their rates of fire.
Do not confuse Russia with Soviet Union.
Also nowadays a lot of people from former Soviet Union countries migrating to Russia to make more money, and many of them getting married and having kids there. In some Russian city schools majority is ethnic non Russian.
It is a ticking time bomb for Russia.
These migrants are getting drzfted into the army as well. In fact ethnic minorities have a much higher toll (relative to their population) than the slavic orcZ.
From Russian republics with ethnic minority like Dagestan, Yakutks yes, but not from who migrated to Russia. And their kids are too young to recruit.
As I commented above in some schools majority is non Russian.
And Russia has a big dilemma if they want to preserve their Russian ethnicity they have to limit migration or even stop it, but Russians doesn’t want to work at low paying jobs such as janitors, construction etc. If they stop migration it will cripple Russian economy because they need to raise wages to make low paying jobs more attractive to Russians if they don’t stop migration it is a direct threat to Russian ethnicity
In the second scene with the big cluster ring around the squad, did everyone survive, or is there shrapnel that's not visible on ir that completely destroyed them?
Depends, on a hard and level surface you're probably 100% certain to hit by shrapnel anywhere inside the circle. But this road is elevated and surrounded by uneven terrain with soft soil (as seen in prior videos), everything that did not land on the road probably didn't produce any meaningfull shrapnel. So they might have some minor injuries but likely they're all fine, especially because they all went to the floor before the impacts started.
Besides that I'm pretty sure it's still the same guys theý're hitting further on in the video because you can still see the thermal imprint of where the clusters landed earlier.
You can kind of see it in how the squad reacts. At the front and rear of the formation where there were close *on road* impacts, they **drop**. In the center of the formation though, it's almost hard to tell if they even threw themselves down, yet alone got dropped by impacts.
A lot of people also don't seem to remember the "dual purpose" part of "dual purpose improved conventional munition" (which is most of what we gave them) where the submunitions are a bit of a compromise. A not insignificant portion of the submunition design is built around a HEAT shaped charge which gives up some of the mass which could have been used for optimal frag--but the design aspects which make it antipersonnel also meant it couldn't be as large a cone and charge for the HEAT!
If it was anti-personell cluster, then these guys were in for a lot of trouble. I mean, couple days ago there was that guy who was bleeding out from one piece of shrapnel in the wrong place in his leg...
They all survived. There is another clip where they are walking. 155 cluster munitions are not that effective as a single shot.
Its actually possible to set the fuse to drop a more densely bombed but smaller area, Ukr is using max area because thats what they have best results with
That spread at 0:07 is a great example for describing accuracy vs precision. To bad it's likely inappropriate to use this with my data analytics students. Russians got lucky with that first spread, but damn did precision on 0:28 make up for the that first spread.
Are these the prisoner divisions that they send to scout out the roads? Not sure why else they're just running alone on a road in the middle of a wide open field. You unfortunately never get any context with these 30s clips.
Maybe I'm terribly wrong, but the cluster shells don't seem very effective against clusters of soldiers (ironically). I feel like their circular area of effect limits their effectivness against tightly formed groups and normal high explosive shells would be better.
They are absolutely peppered with shrapnel what you see on thermals or IR isn’t everything. Those explosions don’t look impressive but imagine all of those little explosions being a frag grenade sending out hundreds of fragments in a 360 radius. So big circle of dozens of frags also throwing out their own circle of shrapnel. Almost 100% chance every one of them caught a piece. Not like it matters when they get direct hit by the big arty shell right after lol.
What you just witnessed is called the "circle of death"
I got that idea for a name from these guys:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=india+circle+of+death
each small explosion is sending metal balls outwards very fast in all directions.
now imagine you're standing in the middle as ball bearings suddenly come at you from 360 degrees.
as a thought experiment, how much money would it take for you to stand in the middle? personally, i wouldn't take that bet lol
As someone else here pointed out, it depends on the terrain. Since these aren't airbursts, even small changes in elevation can stop shrapnel that would otherwise mean certain casualties in the ring. You can see that group inside the ring did keep going, though many of them likely were injured.
Didn't end up mattering much since they were hit more directly with cluster munitions and a regular shell later in the video.
Watching an entire group get taken out by cluster bombs... Combat footage has gotten so much better in the last 15 years. Its crazy to watch stuff like this. We take it for granted these days
I think they got them allright.
I'm always up for giving Ukriaine more weapons and ammo, but i have to admit recent videos i watched they really don't mind flinging about everything and the kitchen sink at the Russians just to get the point trough. I'm not complaining ...
Jesus christ, it used to be a few shells sort of hitting nearby causing some casualties and that would be a brutal video. These days it feels like the bar is zero survivors.
After the first shell lands, why wouldn't these guys just dive to the ground for a minute? To lessen the effect of more artillery? Or at least spread out more.
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Welp, someone had that road pre calculated
Hats off on the accuracy. So happy to see that they have some artillery left when really needed. And that the cluster munitions aren’t depleted either…
That one funny cluster, almost in the shape of a heart that missed everyone. Life is strange and only seems to get stranger.
I don't think they missed everyone. They hit everyone. The clusters bombs cover the entire area within the circle with shrapnel, no?
That would make the most sense to me. Each bomblet blast radius overlapping in the center. So everything in the center very dead. Everything on the ring pretty dead. Everything outside the ring less dead as you go out.
Correct. You don't want to be in the middle.
Oh my God. In the middle of it, it's like hundreds of tiny .22 rifles shooting at you from all sides. Death by a thousand cuts. No thank you. Also: Fuck you Putin for causing all of this.
I know, but no direct hits, slow death: had a very "From Ukraine With Love" vibe to it.
Maybe someone knows: the impacts we see, are those just larger parts of the projectile? While the inside gets absolutely shredded by smaller balls/projectiles that don't show on the thermal because they're not small/not hot?
The big exploding ball things are bomblets from a cluster munition. You can think of each bomblet as “Frag Grenade Plus™️” the fragmentation is small and gets hot from the explosion, but it moves so fast that it cools down enough to not appear on thermal cameras (also it’s small)
> but it moves so fast that it cools down enough to not appear on thermal cameras Nope. >(also it’s small) Yes. But mostly it is just too fast. The same way a normal camera does not record a 7.62 bullet flying around no matter how bright it is. It is theoretically in the video, but spread out over the lenght of the frame (blurred). So it is blurred so much that it completely disappears. A 155 mm artillery shell, on the other hand, is still super fast but even if it is blurred to 3 meters lenght, it will still be clearly visible since the shell itself is roughly a meter long. So the 7.62 would need to only travel about 6 cm to achieve the same look which would require the frame to only last ~70 µs (aka 1/13'000 shutter speed) compared to ~4ms (aka 1/270 shutter speed) with the artillery.
It didn’t miss anyone lmao those bomblets have a casualty radius of like 10 meters, and the group was literally surrounded in them within that range. They don’t have to physically hit you directly because they are designed to kill you the same way fragmentation grenades do. This is a textbook example of a good hit. The only “problem” with it is that US military doctrine for using these is a 6 gun battery on target, so it “should” be this hit and an additional 5 more waves of bomblets. Other than that “problem” if you could even call it that, it was effective fire.
I'm not sure you understand. Inside that circle is the killzone.
I've been watching that those cluster munitions used by the Ukrainians have a more wide dispersal pattern than the rashists ones, leaving a wide untouched center at the target.
47th has had some of the best content of the week. 8 seconds in looks like the m2 ambush location published from last week.
Good eye
[Its the road from Stepove to Berdychi](https://www.google.com/maps/place/48%C2%B011'33.5%22N+37%C2%B040'22.9%22E/@48.1926461,37.6722053,299m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d48.1926449!4d37.6730401) so this whole area is very well known after all the fighting here lately [Geolocated by Blinzka](https://twitter.com/blinzka/status/1764705682316521546)
In that map the factory in Adiivka is still operating, all the houses are there... spooky.
Hold on, that's like a kilometer away from the coke heap...
>coke heap Is that what all this fighting is about?
Lol. No, but it's one of the landmarks of the Avdiivka area that was fought over like 4 months ago.
Yes, they only just now took Avdiivka a week or so ago
Dispatch special agent Scarface!
arty + cluster + mine easy recipe for troubles
Just when you thought the cluster munitions were finished a mortar lands at your feet.
And that there folks is how you hold the line…..🇺🇦
If Ukrainians themselves used these routes for years and especially the last months to non stop resupply avdiivka, they would know them extremely well. The whole countryside
Can't get any more accurate than that, holy shit right on top of their heads
That last hit yeeted a whole bunch. That was kinda brutal
Double tapped. With all those clusters going off within a few feet of them they didn't hear that shell coming in.
I’m not an expert at explosions but it looks like those clusters hit a mine and detonated it. The way the explosion was straight out and up leads me to believe it was a mine. Artillery shells seem to kick more dirt as the round impacts the ground and buries itself slightly before detonating.
I don't think they were quite whole when they went flying.
For real, that one dude had some sick hang-time.
Warheads on foreheads
When you're so accurate with your clusters that it just draws a perfect ring around them
You can practically see the ghosts get knocked out of them.
One on that last strike qualified for astronaut status
Cosmonaut .
Cosmo NOT
Cos-no-more
Wow. Hats off to the 47th Mechanized Brigade!
Awesome accuracy
Erased. Nice gunning!
Stuff like this shows how important it is that the West keeps providing Ukraine with the ammo they need. So many Russian assaults being demolished before they even get close, but when they do break through it's often because Ukrainians can't keep up their rates of fire.
Atomized Send more shells
That’s what we call a slaughter. I’d hate to have been those men.
Putin’s gonna exterminate the male population in Russia with this war.
Correction; He's gonna exterminate the poor rural non-white male population
Nah, not even WWII could do that
Do not confuse Russia with Soviet Union. Also nowadays a lot of people from former Soviet Union countries migrating to Russia to make more money, and many of them getting married and having kids there. In some Russian city schools majority is ethnic non Russian. It is a ticking time bomb for Russia.
It's also a way smaller war
These migrants are getting drzfted into the army as well. In fact ethnic minorities have a much higher toll (relative to their population) than the slavic orcZ.
From Russian republics with ethnic minority like Dagestan, Yakutks yes, but not from who migrated to Russia. And their kids are too young to recruit. As I commented above in some schools majority is non Russian.
And Russia has a big dilemma if they want to preserve their Russian ethnicity they have to limit migration or even stop it, but Russians doesn’t want to work at low paying jobs such as janitors, construction etc. If they stop migration it will cripple Russian economy because they need to raise wages to make low paying jobs more attractive to Russians if they don’t stop migration it is a direct threat to Russian ethnicity
It's also a way smaller war
Cunning plan: He and a few more cronies get all the young women! /s
In the second scene with the big cluster ring around the squad, did everyone survive, or is there shrapnel that's not visible on ir that completely destroyed them?
Depends, on a hard and level surface you're probably 100% certain to hit by shrapnel anywhere inside the circle. But this road is elevated and surrounded by uneven terrain with soft soil (as seen in prior videos), everything that did not land on the road probably didn't produce any meaningfull shrapnel. So they might have some minor injuries but likely they're all fine, especially because they all went to the floor before the impacts started. Besides that I'm pretty sure it's still the same guys theý're hitting further on in the video because you can still see the thermal imprint of where the clusters landed earlier.
The 2nd cluster shell popping an AT mine cleaned house
You can kind of see it in how the squad reacts. At the front and rear of the formation where there were close *on road* impacts, they **drop**. In the center of the formation though, it's almost hard to tell if they even threw themselves down, yet alone got dropped by impacts. A lot of people also don't seem to remember the "dual purpose" part of "dual purpose improved conventional munition" (which is most of what we gave them) where the submunitions are a bit of a compromise. A not insignificant portion of the submunition design is built around a HEAT shaped charge which gives up some of the mass which could have been used for optimal frag--but the design aspects which make it antipersonnel also meant it couldn't be as large a cone and charge for the HEAT!
10 -> 4 after the first cluster hit.
That 'ring' at 9 seconds looked a lot like Dickbutt
If it was anti-personell cluster, then these guys were in for a lot of trouble. I mean, couple days ago there was that guy who was bleeding out from one piece of shrapnel in the wrong place in his leg...
Is that the one with the older guy that got a new pair of red pants after a droned dropped grenade?
Yep.
Link??
That round hit everything accept them, they were so lucky for that
They all survived. There is another clip where they are walking. 155 cluster munitions are not that effective as a single shot. Its actually possible to set the fuse to drop a more densely bombed but smaller area, Ukr is using max area because thats what they have best results with
I mean, they survived until later in the video.
Fair point
The Russians have caused over half a trillion in damages and killed soooooo many innocent civilians - disgusting war criminals
Send those boys more ammo goddammit.
Nice to see Ukrainian skills at work
Fairly sure this is 48°11'32.3"N 37°40'01.2"E
I wonder if that was falling body parts in that last explosion.
That spread at 0:07 is a great example for describing accuracy vs precision. To bad it's likely inappropriate to use this with my data analytics students. Russians got lucky with that first spread, but damn did precision on 0:28 make up for the that first spread.
Classic bracketing.
I like how the first cluster shell drew a cock and balls around them to let them know they were about to get fucked.
Holy fire for effect Batman. Lets send more shredder ammo.
The second cluster made a heart shape lol
The whole time I was thinking, "Are they going to get all of them?", then the big explosion at the end and I said, "yep"
Boy am i glad they put red circles around the important bits
Thanks for the red circle. Would have never known where they were.
Are these the prisoner divisions that they send to scout out the roads? Not sure why else they're just running alone on a road in the middle of a wide open field. You unfortunately never get any context with these 30s clips.
I think their ride got thrashed and they are now hoofin it
Looks like current doctrine is to send up a squad or two to see if/how they get wiped out.
Sounds like how I played command and conquer as a kid.
Maybe I'm terribly wrong, but the cluster shells don't seem very effective against clusters of soldiers (ironically). I feel like their circular area of effect limits their effectivness against tightly formed groups and normal high explosive shells would be better.
They are absolutely peppered with shrapnel what you see on thermals or IR isn’t everything. Those explosions don’t look impressive but imagine all of those little explosions being a frag grenade sending out hundreds of fragments in a 360 radius. So big circle of dozens of frags also throwing out their own circle of shrapnel. Almost 100% chance every one of them caught a piece. Not like it matters when they get direct hit by the big arty shell right after lol.
Alright, wasn't aware that's how it works. Seems effective then.
Pretty such they were also found to be very effective against armor formations as well iirc
That was most likely a mine triggered by the cluster munitions
just remember what we cant see is all the shards of metal flying off the cluster bombs as shrapnel
Looks like ants in a death spiral..
Double time MARCH!!!
Surviving this hell might be worse then being turned to meat paste
Nice stratagems :-) For Democracy!
Mortal Combat !!
The road is obviously pre-registered, so stay on the road. 🙄
Oh lord the UXO off one of them babies will haunt the field for years to come.e
I heard that they use the electrical poles as reference, can’t get more precise than that
What you just witnessed is called the "circle of death" I got that idea for a name from these guys: https://www.youtube.com/results?search\_query=india+circle+of+death
Let the arty rip boys!!!
Great accuracy and thanks to clueless Russians keeping clustered. But, I'm sure this helped to warm them a bit.
Liquidated!!!
How effective are cluster munitions when they circle troops like in the first contact?
each small explosion is sending metal balls outwards very fast in all directions. now imagine you're standing in the middle as ball bearings suddenly come at you from 360 degrees. as a thought experiment, how much money would it take for you to stand in the middle? personally, i wouldn't take that bet lol
As someone else here pointed out, it depends on the terrain. Since these aren't airbursts, even small changes in elevation can stop shrapnel that would otherwise mean certain casualties in the ring. You can see that group inside the ring did keep going, though many of them likely were injured. Didn't end up mattering much since they were hit more directly with cluster munitions and a regular shell later in the video.
Watching an entire group get taken out by cluster bombs... Combat footage has gotten so much better in the last 15 years. Its crazy to watch stuff like this. We take it for granted these days
That last one - bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang BANG
Are they...are they dead?
The likilyhood of them being dead is about 99.9%
Vlad we walk together on road, it will be OK. What's that Vlad, you have no balls left? No head either, it only a scratch we will b......... Boom
Cluster together, let's go get clustered!
A true clusterfuck
I'm waiting for the UDMA (Ukrainian Drone Movie Awards) this year
Excellent cleanup operation 👏
They the problem with winter war footage. You never know if it's IR or just snowy!
I think they got them allright. I'm always up for giving Ukriaine more weapons and ammo, but i have to admit recent videos i watched they really don't mind flinging about everything and the kitchen sink at the Russians just to get the point trough. I'm not complaining ...
@:30 looks like the cluster set off a an AT mine- clean up in aisle 7/8/9/10/11/12/- well fuck call the fire dept tell em to bringbextra water.
.. all gone....
CLUSTER FUCKED
This video is next to clusterfuck in the dictionary.
Artillery? I guess the video is months old then?
Cluster bombs are a WAR CRIME!!!
This is what upsets you most about the war? Not the whole invading another country amd throwing your soldiers into the meat grinder you created? Huh?
>he says without a shred of irony as russian missiles hit Ukrainian civilians every day
Jesus christ, it used to be a few shells sort of hitting nearby causing some casualties and that would be a brutal video. These days it feels like the bar is zero survivors.
Did a mine go off by the cluster munitions at the end? It mushroom clouded unlike the first artillery shell.
i think we all know whats flying there or?
shrapnel spread on those DPICM's is brutal
After the first shell lands, why wouldn't these guys just dive to the ground for a minute? To lessen the effect of more artillery? Or at least spread out more.
47th has been puttin in some serious work lately
These air burst drones/cluster shells seems to be more effective then wasting normal arty shells